william-james88 wrote:Dinobot4ever wrote:TulioDude wrote:But didnt we get the information before,that the Bumbleebee movie would be a soft reboot and would be used as a base for future films?
I think we should wait for more info.
We did as a major news release ...
https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/movies/bu ... 39482.htmlThe info out of this interview is certainly confusing.
Larry “D” strikes again.
Oh come on Dinobot, not you too. Did you even read that article before posting it? As it turns out, there is no quote saying it is a reboot. There isnt even a quote
And yet the article wrote a clickbait title like that and people just blindly passed it along without realizing they were propogating fake news brought about by piss poor journalism.
The misinformation from those articles was started by TFW, who are currently not newsing this new Bonaventura interview. I guess because that would mean they wrote a BS article all along which spread to major news outlets, and no one wants to admit that.
Will, no need to be insulting, my friend. Yes, I did read the article. And there is a quote from Hasbro ... ‘officially declared as a new storytelling universe’. Call that a reboot (hard, soft, something in between), refresh, reimagining, retooling, … whatever, Bumblebee is something cinematically and very largely substantively different than the Bayverse. A rose is a rose is a rose.
As to the TFW article being bogus, are there any vidoes of that panel available? I would be keenly interested in seeing it, so I can hear, with my own ears, what was said. If there was a misquote, I'll yield and be highly disappointed for the live action franchise moving forward. Any kind of continuation of the Bayverse will heavily cripple future storytelling and most likely mean the franchise will financially come to a quick halt. TLK was a big warning of that end ...
In all of this I don't get the continued argument of reboot vs. prequel and the fervent defense of the prequel stance. In discussions with casual TF fans or sci-fi/fantasy fans that know something about TF, or even just those who are novices to TF, almost invariably, the first thing out of their mouths is these Bayformer movies … and I wince every time. Not surprisingly, more times than not, it is not positive either. I distance myself from the Bayverse as much as possible and educate those who do not know any better. I have been successful on the latter several times and I feel GREAT about it.
The stereotyping, discriminatory overtones, crassness, minimal character development, lack of continuity, and weak (if non-existent) story and arcs are reasons enough to steer clear of these Bayformer movies. However the item I hold above all else as unforgivable is the abuse or flat out disregard of the TF cannon. I have said this before on Seibertron and other places on the web. When you change the cannon of a concept, it ceases to be that concept, hence the name "Bayformers." Just because you slap familiar names on characters, places, items, events, etc. doesn't mean they ARE these things if the cannon/story/development is not there to back it up. I could type out so many instances of this in the Bayverse, my fingers would probably start bleeding so I'll limit to a few very obvious examples to drive my point:
The Matrix of Leadersip not residing in Optimus' superstructure - he is not a Prime without it and would, in fact, still be Orion Pax.
Galvatron was created by a Steve Jobs-like character - he was created by Unicron.
The Allspark is a metaphysical, quasi-religous concept ... In Bayverse it is crossed up with an energon cube and given a physical existence.
A red European sportscar alt-mode character is introduced in the Bayverse called "Dino" when it should have obviously been Sideswipe. And to further screw things up, Sideswipe is introduced in the next movie ... as a silver Corvette concept alt-mode?!?
I better stop
wish I could insert a disappointed head shaking emoji here. Bumblebee, while somewhat shackled by the Bayverse (understandable that Paramount wouldn't want to make too large a leap away from Bayformers ... those movies did make a lot a dough for them), had no cannon abuse. Couple that approach with a good story, human and bot character development, generally well received critical and movie-goer acclaim, and of course those magnificent Cybertron scenes, why would anyone want to go back to the Bayverse? I REALLY don't get it.
Reboot and move on in the same vein as Bumblebee. If not your thing, you have hours and hours of Bayverse to relish.