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News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:57 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:they like to re-defined words/terms
I think an easier way to see it would be that the Prime rank held by the Thirteen is a religious one, while the Prime rank held by typical leaders is a secular one.

I like that, but I'm not quite sure it fits the issue

How so?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:10 am

Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:they like to re-defined words/terms
I think an easier way to see it would be that the Prime rank held by the Thirteen is a religious one, while the Prime rank held by typical leaders is a secular one.

I like that, but I'm not quite sure it fits the issue
How so?

because, the 13 arent the heads of different religious orders.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:19 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:they like to re-defined words/terms
I think an easier way to see it would be that the Prime rank held by the Thirteen is a religious one, while the Prime rank held by typical leaders is a secular one.

I like that, but I'm not quite sure it fits the issue
How so?

because, the 13 arent the heads of different religious orders.

That's not how I meant it. I mean that they are religious figures and thus the title they each hold bears a sacred connotation. Whereas the non-13 Primes are military officials and so the title that they hold bears a more secular connotation.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:40 am

Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:they like to re-defined words/terms
I think an easier way to see it would be that the Prime rank held by the Thirteen is a religious one, while the Prime rank held by typical leaders is a secular one.

I like that, but I'm not quite sure it fits the issue
How so?

because, the 13 arent the heads of different religious orders.
That's not how I meant it. I mean that they are religious figures and thus the title they each hold bears a sacred connotation. Whereas the non-13 Primes are military officials and so the title that they hold bears a more secular connotation.

I dont see how they can be seen as "religious figures".There are no religions based on any of the 13, as far as I know.

And they may have been spoken of in their "bible", but not every character in the "our" bible qualifies as a religious figure.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:43 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I dont see how they can be seen as "religious figures".There are no religions based on any of the 13, as far as I know.

And they may have been spoken of in their "bible", but not every character in the "our" bible qualifies as a religious figure.

They are a part of the whole Primus/Unicron mythology, which itself is considered a Transformers religion.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:11 am

Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I dont see how they can be seen as "religious figures".There are no religions based on any of the 13, as far as I know.

And they may have been spoken of in their "bible", but not every character in the "our" bible qualifies as a religious figure.
They are a part of the whole Primus/Unicron mythology, which itself is considered a Transformers religion.

true, but not every character in the Jesus myth is a religious character.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:32 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I dont see how they can be seen as "religious figures".There are no religions based on any of the 13, as far as I know.

And they may have been spoken of in their "bible", but not every character in the "our" bible qualifies as a religious figure.
They are a part of the whole Primus/Unicron mythology, which itself is considered a Transformers religion.

true, but not every character in the Jesus myth is a religious character.

Also true. But the Apostles were, and the Thirteen are kinda like Primus' version of them.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:40 am

Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I dont see how they can be seen as "religious figures".There are no religions based on any of the 13, as far as I know.

And they may have been spoken of in their "bible", but not every character in the "our" bible qualifies as a religious figure.
They are a part of the whole Primus/Unicron mythology, which itself is considered a Transformers religion.

true, but not every character in the Jesus myth is a religious character.
Also true. But the Apostles were, and the Thirteen are kinda like Primus' version of them.

I dont see them as that.But that might be bexause so far they havent really presented then as such.

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:45 am

You guys are thinkin about this waaaaay too hard!!! :-B

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:02 am

vectorA3 wrote:You guys are thinkin about this waaaaay too hard!!!

Let them. It's fun to see two people digging in to this.

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:16 am

Wasn't this thread about scum like me who don't worship G1?

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:19 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I dont see them as that.But that might be bexause so far they havent really presented then as such.

Well, the Thirteen are definitely part of the legend and are seen as figures of an era long forgotten. Some (like Jazz) even regard them as being mere myth instead of real bots.

Though, getting back to something you said before, what defines a "religious character" to you?

Dead Metal wrote:Wasn't this thread about scum like me who don't worship G1?

Crucify him, we want Barabas! :lol:

But, yeah, anti-G1, this is.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:53 am

Sabrblade wrote:Though, getting back to something you said before, what defines a "religious character" to you?

I'm not sure if its safe or smart to answer that type of question a few days before x-mas.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:00 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Though, getting back to something you said before, what defines a "religious character" to you?

I'm not sure if its safe or smart to answer that type of question a few days before x-mas.

PM then.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:49 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Though, getting back to something you said before, what defines a "religious character" to you?

I'm not sure if its safe or smart to answer that type of question a few days before x-mas.
PM then.

sure

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:14 am

No one read my last movie rant??

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:14 am

vectorA3 wrote:No matter what TF continuity you like, don't you feel that TFs deserves better???

Is that a trick question?

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:04 am

No. Haha. We only can only hope that the Voltron, Thundercats and He-Man movies are done without reckless abandon.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:57 am

vectorA3 wrote:No. Haha. We only can only hope that the Voltron, Thundercats and He-Man movies are done without reckless abandon.

There's a ThunderCats and He-Man movie coming? Well, the latter can't be any worse than that... thing from the 80's. :roll:

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:40 am

vectorA3 wrote:No. Haha. We only can only hope that the Voltron, Thundercats and He-Man movies are done without reckless abandon.

Voltron was cancelled ages ago, as was Thundercats, and this is the first I've heard of a new He-Man movie.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:58 pm

Voltron's movie many still be a possibility.....

http://www.slashfilm.com/voltron-live-a ... shortfilm/

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:20 pm

That nostaligia/guy with glasses clip was hilarious. I'm pretty sure on Voltron and he-man, but not as sure on Thundercats. If the new cartoon is being received well, which i think it has been, then movie plans will accelerate.

by **cotss2012** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:46 am

I'm seriously more interested in that Captain Planet movie.

News Credits: 6 · by **BeastProwl** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:06 pm

*AHEM*
Back on topic here.
I Am and am not a G1 Hater.
I Liked season one for what it was. It was simply put, an old cartoon.
Season two, however, was just great! I mean WOW! There was so much to take from it! So much was built on it, you felt like it would never end. Then the movie came out.
:-(

Don't get me wrong. I loved that film. It introduced us to Unicron and Ultra Magnus. It was something else. When Optimus Died, I was so sad, and When Megatron came back, I thought "well that's not fair at all! Were's optimus primes return?" At the end of the movie, I thought to myself, I know for a fact that he comes back in Season 3.
Great Primus, SEASON 3.
It builds off the space story from the movie and completely discredits everything that happened in season 2! Most of the best autobots were dead and were never to return! The animation and errors are terrable! I Say ARE because, well... It's so bad, that I havn't finished it yet...
I'll push through it, that way I can be one of those guys that can say "Yeah, I watched G1, what of it?"
But I gotta say, season two is were it should have stayed.

by **rapticon** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:57 am

I grew up on the beast era, yet I love ALL of the different story lines of Transformers (and yes, that does include Transformers animated).
So, in short, I myself just love the G1 line.