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News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:17 pm

For the asking price, one would expect a high end deluxe paintjob... This is just insulting.

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:19 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:For the asking price, one would expect a high end deluxe paintjob... This is just insulting.

Yes, yes it is, pure inflation :HEADHURTS:

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:00 am

Wow, they really did cheap out on this one. There's only like five spots that have been painted and in small amounts, either black, silver, or a tiny bit of red on his crotch. I might have been a little bit more forgiving if he had a painted blue head like on the box I'd be more forgiving, but since they couldn't even be bothered to do that it's hard to be excited by this at all. Hey Hasbro, I'd give you $20 for a red and blue Optimus Minor. No, really.

As for getting this from Robot Kingdom, it cost US$50 to ship this to the USA (or to me anyway) at the cheapest. I really doubt this will go for US$170 at TRU (probably more like US$130, I expect the price to be closer to Starscream than G2 Prime) so RK doesn't really seem like a viable option for most people.

Emerje

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:01 am

Emerje wrote:Wow, they really did cheap out on this one. There's only like five spots that have been painted and in small amounts, either black, silver, or a tiny bit of red on his crotch. I might have been a little bit more forgiving if he had a painted blue head like on the box I'd be more forgiving, but since they couldn't even be bothered to do that it's hard to be excited by this at all. Hey Hasbro, I'd give you $20 for a red and blue Optimus Minor. No, really.

As for getting this from Robot Kingdom, it cost US$50 to ship this to the USA (or to me anyway) at the cheapest. I really doubt this will go for US$170 at TRU (probably more like US$130, I expect the price to be closer to Starscream than G2 Prime) so RK doesn't really seem like a viable option for most people.

Emerje

What are you using to come up with that number? From what I can tell, this will be released between 150$-190$. Look at these facts:

RK YOTG Soundwave for 120

TRU YOTG Soundwave for 190

RK YPTG Prime for 105

TRU YOTG Prime for 180

RK YOTG Primal for 120

Using these facts as predictors, we are a looooooooooong way from Primal being Starscream prices at TRU.

And while RK might not be viable, it is a cheaper option for shipping YOTG Soundwave than buying it off TRU.com.

Here is a question when has it EVER happened that a platinum release was more expensive at RK (before shipping ) than at retail in the States? Because that is what you are suggesting and I just dont see anything to back up that hope. Mind you, I would be glad to know you are right, but I am not getting my hopes up when looking at the evidence before me.

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:01 am

william-james88 wrote:
Emerje wrote:Wow, they really did cheap out on this one. There's only like five spots that have been painted and in small amounts, either black, silver, or a tiny bit of red on his crotch. I might have been a little bit more forgiving if he had a painted blue head like on the box I'd be more forgiving, but since they couldn't even be bothered to do that it's hard to be excited by this at all. Hey Hasbro, I'd give you $20 for a red and blue Optimus Minor. No, really.

As for getting this from Robot Kingdom, it cost US$50 to ship this to the USA (or to me anyway) at the cheapest. I really doubt this will go for US$170 at TRU (probably more like US$130, I expect the price to be closer to Starscream than G2 Prime) so RK doesn't really seem like a viable option for most people.

Emerje

What are you using to come up with that number? From what I can tell, this will be released between 150$-190$. Look at these facts:

RK YOTG Soundwave for 120

TRU YOTG Soundwave for 190

RK YPTG Prime for 105

TRU YOTG Prime for 180

RK YOTG Primal for 120

Using these facts as predictors, we are a looooooooooong way from Primal being Starscream prices at TRU.

And while RK might not be viable, it is a cheaper option for shipping YOTG Soundwave than buying it off TRU.com.

Here is a question when has it EVER happened that a platinum release was more expensive at RK (before shipping ) than at retail in the States? Because that is what you are suggesting and I just dont see anything to back up that hope. Mind you, I would be glad to know you are right, but I am not getting my hopes up when looking at the evidence before me.

Perhaps, but I can get them at bbts for less, and only pay $5 in shipping, so it seems to be the best option for us(me) here in the US...

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:11 am

Hellscream9999 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Emerje wrote:Wow, they really did cheap out on this one. There's only like five spots that have been painted and in small amounts, either black, silver, or a tiny bit of red on his crotch. I might have been a little bit more forgiving if he had a painted blue head like on the box I'd be more forgiving, but since they couldn't even be bothered to do that it's hard to be excited by this at all. Hey Hasbro, I'd give you $20 for a red and blue Optimus Minor. No, really.

As for getting this from Robot Kingdom, it cost US$50 to ship this to the USA (or to me anyway) at the cheapest. I really doubt this will go for US$170 at TRU (probably more like US$130, I expect the price to be closer to Starscream than G2 Prime) so RK doesn't really seem like a viable option for most people.

Emerje

What are you using to come up with that number? From what I can tell, this will be released between 150$-190$. Look at these facts:

RK YOTG Soundwave for 120

TRU YOTG Soundwave for 190

RK YPTG Prime for 105

TRU YOTG Prime for 180

RK YOTG Primal for 120

Using these facts as predictors, we are a looooooooooong way from Primal being Starscream prices at TRU.

And while RK might not be viable, it is a cheaper option for shipping YOTG Soundwave than buying it off TRU.com.

Here is a question when has it EVER happened that a platinum release was more expensive at RK (before shipping ) than at retail in the States? Because that is what you are suggesting and I just dont see anything to back up that hope. Mind you, I would be glad to know you are right, but I am not getting my hopes up when looking at the evidence before me.

Perhaps, but I can get them at bbts for less, and only pay $5 in shipping, so it seems to be the best option for us(me) here in the US...

Thats discounted. We were referring to the retail MSRP in the states since we are wondering how much Primal will cost when released in the states.

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:27 am

william-james88 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Emerje wrote:Wow, they really did cheap out on this one. There's only like five spots that have been painted and in small amounts, either black, silver, or a tiny bit of red on his crotch. I might have been a little bit more forgiving if he had a painted blue head like on the box I'd be more forgiving, but since they couldn't even be bothered to do that it's hard to be excited by this at all. Hey Hasbro, I'd give you $20 for a red and blue Optimus Minor. No, really.

As for getting this from Robot Kingdom, it cost US$50 to ship this to the USA (or to me anyway) at the cheapest. I really doubt this will go for US$170 at TRU (probably more like US$130, I expect the price to be closer to Starscream than G2 Prime) so RK doesn't really seem like a viable option for most people.

Emerje

What are you using to come up with that number? From what I can tell, this will be released between 150$-190$. Look at these facts:

Using these facts as predictors, we are a looooooooooong way from Primal being Starscream prices at TRU.

And while RK might not be viable, it is a cheaper option for shipping YOTG Soundwave than buying it off TRU.com.

Here is a question when has it EVER happened that a platinum release was more expensive at RK (before shipping ) than at retail in the States? Because that is what you are suggesting and I just dont see anything to back up that hope. Mind you, I would be glad to know you are right, but I am not getting my hopes up when looking at the evidence before me.

Perhaps, but I can get them at bbts for less, and only pay $5 in shipping, so it seems to be the best option for us(me) here in the US...

Thats discounted. We were referring to the retail MSRP in the states since we are wondering how much Primal will cost when released in the states.

Fair enough, I hadn't clicked on them to realize that (though my point still technically stands, cuz they're cheaper than retail now, you just have to wait and hope he doesn't sell out

)

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:19 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Emerje wrote:Wow, they really did cheap out on this one. There's only like five spots that have been painted and in small amounts, either black, silver, or a tiny bit of red on his crotch. I might have been a little bit more forgiving if he had a painted blue head like on the box I'd be more forgiving, but since they couldn't even be bothered to do that it's hard to be excited by this at all. Hey Hasbro, I'd give you $20 for a red and blue Optimus Minor. No, really.

As for getting this from Robot Kingdom, it cost US$50 to ship this to the USA (or to me anyway) at the cheapest. I really doubt this will go for US$170 at TRU (probably more like US$130, I expect the price to be closer to Starscream than G2 Prime) so RK doesn't really seem like a viable option for most people.

Emerje

What are you using to come up with that number? From what I can tell, this will be released between 150$-190$. Look at these facts:

RK YOTG Soundwave for 120

TRU YOTG Soundwave for 190

RK YPTG Prime for 105

TRU YOTG Prime for 180

RK YOTG Primal for 120

Using these facts as predictors, we are a looooooooooong way from Primal being Starscream prices at TRU.

I hope you realize I'm talking about YOTH Starscream and not MP Starscream. It's only with YOTG that they've slashed the prices so much. I only raised the price to $130 to entertain the possibility of a higher TRU price.

RK YOTH Starscream for US$110 (The current price is discounted)
TRU YOTH Starscream for US$110

RK YOTH Optimus Prime for US$130 (Current higher price is a later warehouse find restock)
TRU YOTH Optimus Prime for US$130

Pretty sure the prices were similar for YOTD and YOTS as well.

And while RK might not be viable, it is a cheaper option for shipping YOTG Soundwave than buying it off TRU.com.

It's only US$100 on TRU.com right now plus free shipping. It may not be the original MSRP, but if RK can slash the price then so can TRU.

Here is a question when has it EVER happened that a platinum release was more expensive at RK (before shipping ) than at retail in the States? Because that is what you are suggesting and I just dont see anything to back up that hope. Mind you, I would be glad to know you are right, but I am not getting my hopes up when looking at the evidence before me.

When did I suggest anything at all like that? I even raised the price on YOTM Primal just to concede that the price may be higher. The real fact is we've seen prices at RK both the same and lower on YOT figures so it's reckless to state that YOTM Primal will definitely be higher and by how much.

Lower than RK? I doubt it. But the same or slightly more? That I'll believe. YOTM Primal is a pretty simple figure, that's why I compared his pricing to YOTH Starscream. If they do sell him in the US$180 range then that's even more insane than the YOTG prices.

Emerje

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:16 pm

Emerje wrote:When did I suggest anything at all like that? I even raised the price on YOTM Primal just to concede that the price may be higher. The real fact is we've seen prices at RK both the same and lower on YOT figures so it's reckless to state that YOTM Primal will definitely be higher and by how much.

Lower than RK? I doubt it. But the same or slightly more? That I'll believe. YOTM Primal is a pretty simple figure, that's why I compared his pricing to YOTH Starscream. If they do sell him in the US$180 range then that's even more insane than the YOTG prices.

Emerje

Thanks for the reply, I totally get it now. Ok, so just this year is insane then (and come on TRU, why did you have to make a deep discount during the middle of my argument :-x

). I guess the dissapointing sales will make them rethink their pricing strategy and bring it back to the price point of previous years like YOTH Starscream.

Thanks again for the reply!

News Credits: 4 · by **padfoo** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:36 pm

REX-203 wrote:I like it. This'll be the first "Year of the" release I'll be getting since YotS Omega Supreme.

I do think a deeper, maybe metallic navy blue, a few spots of yellow or gold, and a faction symbol on the chest would have improved the look, though.

Very interesting figure!

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:42 pm

padfoo wrote:
REX-203 wrote:I like it. This'll be the first "Year of the" release I'll be getting since YotS Omega Supreme.

I do think a deeper, maybe metallic navy blue, a few spots of yellow or gold, and a faction symbol on the chest would have improved the look, though.

Very interesting figure!

Pretty sure that's a slight digibash; the actual figure is almost entirely unpainted >:oP

News Credits: 11 · by **Overcracker** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:27 pm

Somehow this figure speaks to me. Even if it a little on the pricey side, I think I'll pick it up.

Will fit in nicely with the others on the Prime Selves.

News Credits: 13 · by **OptimalOptimus2** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:21 am

A toy like this would need some serious customizing. These untraditional, Year of the ___ toys are starting to grind my gears. :-x

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:46 pm

OptimalOptimus2 wrote:A toy like this would need some serious customizing. These untraditional, Year of the ___ toys are starting to grind my gears.

Yeah, remember when the first two came out, and how there was so much effort put into o/p and omega, now they're just petty cash-grabs >:oP

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:48 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:A toy like this would need some serious customizing. These untraditional, Year of the ___ toys are starting to grind my gears.

Yeah, remember when the first two came out, and how there was so much effort put into o/p and omega, now they're just petty cash-grabs

The first one was just as much a cash grab:

Year of the Dragon prime:

http://www.amazon.ca/Year-Dragon-Ultimate-Optimus-Prime/dp/B007MCNI1W

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:03 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:A toy like this would need some serious customizing. These untraditional, Year of the ___ toys are starting to grind my gears.

Yeah, remember when the first two came out, and how there was so much effort put into o/p and omega, now they're just petty cash-grabs

The first one was just as much a cash grab:

Year of the Dragon prime:

http://www.amazon.ca/Year-Dragon-Ultimate-Optimus-Prime/dp/B007MCNI1W

Can't say that I remembered him entirely, though, you are right about it, I wonder what happened after that to get them to work so hard on o/p and o/s and then do nothing for everyone that came after

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:22 pm

I don't know. Predaking was kinda dope.

Edit: Wait, sorry he was just a Platinum, not YOT. :oops:

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:17 pm

Platinum Omega Supreme and Prime Ultra Magnus were the only two with real efforts. Meaning serious paint aps and major remoldings.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 10:57 pm

The effort put into Omega seemed to be at least related to his appearance in the WFC video game that was available and being promoted at the time.

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:55 am

Sabrblade wrote:The effort put into Omega seemed to be at least related to his appearance in the WFC video game that was available and being promoted at the time.

Yeah he seems far more the exception to the rule when you think about it. More like he was a standard western release platinum figure and not necessarily a YOT figure for the asian market.

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:32 pm

REX-203 wrote:Basically, if it's $100 or less in store, then I'll pick it up. $120 plus shipping changes the tune a little.

Bad news, its available online now at american retailers and the price is between 130$ and 150$ plus shipping.

BBTS preorder for 145$ read em and weap

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

There is also TF Source who is charging a bit less but still within my predicted price range with a price of 130$

http://tfsource.com/products/view/product_id/11227/

But that wont get you free shipping since its below 150$ (thank the Lord!)

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:40 am

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:The effort put into Omega seemed to be at least related to his appearance in the WFC video game that was available and being promoted at the time.

Yeah he seems far more the exception to the rule when you think about it. More like he was a standard western release platinum figure and not necessarily a YOT figure for the asian market.

Yeah, feels like he was meant to be a 'generations' release 'til some d|ckhead decided they could make it an exclusive :-x

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:45 am

Hellscream9999 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:The effort put into Omega seemed to be at least related to his appearance in the WFC video game that was available and being promoted at the time.

Yeah he seems far more the exception to the rule when you think about it. More like he was a standard western release platinum figure and not necessarily a YOT figure for the asian market.

Yeah, feels like he was meant to be a 'generations' release 'til some d|ckhead decided they could make it an exclusive

Preeeeetty sure that figure was always gonna be a Platinum Edition since Generations doesn't exactly have a history of releasing non-CHUG molds from nine years before in premium colors and tooling.

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:54 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:The effort put into Omega seemed to be at least related to his appearance in the WFC video game that was available and being promoted at the time.

Yeah he seems far more the exception to the rule when you think about it. More like he was a standard western release platinum figure and not necessarily a YOT figure for the asian market.

Yeah, feels like he was meant to be a 'generations' release 'til some d|ckhead decided they could make it an exclusive
Preeeeetty sure that figure was always gonna be a Platinum Edition since Generations doesn't exactly have a history of releasing non-CHUG molds from nine years before in premium colors and tooling.

Yes, it makes sense that it was platinum. But more of the standard platinum kind (like the dinobots, platinum ultra magnus and predaking) and not necessarily a Chinese Zodiac edition.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:01 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:The effort put into Omega seemed to be at least related to his appearance in the WFC video game that was available and being promoted at the time.

Yeah he seems far more the exception to the rule when you think about it. More like he was a standard western release platinum figure and not necessarily a YOT figure for the asian market.

Yeah, feels like he was meant to be a 'generations' release 'til some d|ckhead decided they could make it an exclusive
Preeeeetty sure that figure was always gonna be a Platinum Edition since Generations doesn't exactly have a history of releasing non-CHUG molds from nine years before in premium colors and tooling.

Yes, it makes sense that it was platinum. But more of the standard platinum kind (like the dinobots, platinum ultra magnus and predaking) and not necessarily a Chinese Zodiac edition.

But the Chinese New Year ones tend to be a big Optimus toy and a big companion piece (barring the Dragon and Monkey years). What better big companion piece to go with the Energon Optimus mold than Energon Omega?