Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Well, Cybertron Scrapmetal was called "Rumble" in Galaxy Force (with his pile drivers and Coby's version's head intending to homage the G1 dudes), and he came in both red and blue versions, as well as yellow.That Bot wrote:That's Japan being consistent with their version of the TF universe, I guess. Have there been any other versions of Frumble in Japanese TF media?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Thank you.That Bot wrote:FACT: Frenzy and Rumble were, respectively, blue and red & black in the toys
FACT: This color scheme was shared by the Marvel Comics
FACT: The colors got reversed in the G1 cartoon
FACT: The G1 cartoon was written by various freelance writers, funded by Hasbro, handled by Sunbow Productions who had the animation done by Toei Animation and AKOM, and debuted in the US in 1984. American voice actors were the first voice actors to give life to the characters.
FACT: The G1 cartoon premiered in Japan in 1985.
FACT: The Japanese G1 cartoon reversed the names of Frenzy and Rumble so that their colors were correct with the toys and every other iteration.
FACT: Aligned Frenzy and Rumble aren't G1, and have been consistently portrayed as red and blue respectively, meaning the FIRRIB/FIBRIR debate doesn't matter here.
Now can we get back to discussing our potential Hasbro Prime Frenzy toy?
Though, the Takara versions of Prime Rumble and Prime Frenzy have their colors switched.
RAcast wrote:headsortails wrote:Whew! I'm glad this is coming out since i didn't want to get the Takara version, for a change. I just felt the Takara version wouldn't quite match up with my Hasbro Rumble, especially since the Takara version wasn't coming with pile drivers.....
The minicon is a bit derpy also. xD And paint is always better than stickers. =_=;
(Though I did enjoy building little Hot Spot here, but being a model kit, that's thee exception. )
Erm why would that be when Leo Prime's bio explicitly states the TF: Prime universe to be a different dimension from the G1-verse?JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Since TakaraTomy has no Aligned continuity like Hasbro does, due to lack of the games, we can assume they're the Cybertonian forms of the G1 characters.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Erm why would that be when Leo Prime's bio explicitly states the TF: Prime universe to be a different dimension from the G1-verse?JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Since TakaraTomy has no Aligned continuity like Hasbro does, due to lack of the games, we can assume they're the Cybertonian forms of the G1 characters.
In my post I said "Prime Rumble and Prime Frenzy".JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Erm why would that be when Leo Prime's bio explicitly states the TF: Prime universe to be a different dimension from the G1-verse?JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Since TakaraTomy has no Aligned continuity like Hasbro does, due to lack of the games, we can assume they're the Cybertonian forms of the G1 characters.
I was talking about Generations
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:In my post I said "Prime Rumble and Prime Frenzy".JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Erm why would that be when Leo Prime's bio explicitly states the TF: Prime universe to be a different dimension from the G1-verse?JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Since TakaraTomy has no Aligned continuity like Hasbro does, due to lack of the games, we can assume they're the Cybertonian forms of the G1 characters.
I was talking about Generations
This has nothing to do with what the immature TF Wiki says! Just because you grew up with Hasblow doesn't mean they did it all! And by the looks of it, your gold is starting to rust! PERIOD!Mindmaster wrote:XDMan wrote:@PrimeStriker: Given between the choice of who doesn't understand (the two who believe the US does it all or Habsro thinking that they made it), thank Primus someone is willing to join me.
@JelZe Goldrabbit: Goodbye. Who cares about your so called enlightening. In other words:
Proceed on your way to oblivion.
<slams the door>
Dude...
The United States originally came up with the fiction, and several studios in and around the Philippines helped animate the cartoon, while Sunbow wrote the fiction. Japan saw the hubbub going on there and cut short the rebranding of the Diaclone line in favor of the Transformers. Therefore, G1 aired in America in 1984, while in Japan it aired in 1985. How can you not get that?
XDMan wrote:This has nothing to do with what the immature TF Wiki says! Just because you grew up with Hasblow doesn't mean they did it all! And by the looks of it, your gold is starting to rust! PERIOD!Mindmaster wrote:XDMan wrote:@PrimeStriker: Given between the choice of who doesn't understand (the two who believe the US does it all or Habsro thinking that they made it), thank Primus someone is willing to join me.
@JelZe Goldrabbit: Goodbye. Who cares about your so called enlightening. In other words:
Proceed on your way to oblivion.
<slams the door>
Dude...
The United States originally came up with the fiction, and several studios in and around the Philippines helped animate the cartoon, while Sunbow wrote the fiction. Japan saw the hubbub going on there and cut short the rebranding of the Diaclone line in favor of the Transformers. Therefore, G1 aired in America in 1984, while in Japan it aired in 1985. How can you not get that?
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
OR VICE VERSA, TRAITOR!!!!!PrymeStriker wrote:XDMan wrote:@PrimeStriker: Given between the choice of who doesn't understand (the two who believe the US does it all or Habsro thinking that they made it), thank Primus someone is willing to join me.
Dude. I was being sarcastic.
They're right, you're wrong. Have a nice day.
That Bot wrote:I'm not sure if you're a really good troll or you honestly believe this, but either way it seems pretty obvious none of us is going to convince the other, so let's all drop it. Merry Christmas! Maybe Hasbro Claus will see how much the fandom wants a Frenzy and put it in Beast Hunters.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Kid, you're either trolling or fantasizing. Pick one.XDMan wrote:This has nothing to do with what the immature TF Wiki says! Just because you grew up with Hasblow doesn't mean they did it all! And by the looks of it, your gold is starting to rust! PERIOD!
The TRANSFORMERS line was initially modeled on existing molds and characters from Takara, a major Japanese toy manufacturer, reissues under license by Hasbro in the United States and elsewhere. Hasbro developed the larger concepts, including character names and biographies, in collaboration with the U.S. comic publisher, Marvel (and in particular writer/editor Bob Budiansky), paving the way for a comic book and animated TV show, both of which proved hugely popular.
BACK IN 1983, after the success of the G.I. Joe toy line and its comic book incarnation, toy giant Hasbro turned again to the hallowed halls of Marvel Comics in New York as they prepared to launch TRANSFORMERS. Marvel revolutionized the comics business in the 1960s with characters like Spider-Man, the Incredible Hulk, and the Fantastic Four. Writer and editor Bob Budiansky undertook the massive task of ascribing names and identities to a range of largely unlabeled toys. Budiansky laid much the groundwork for the toyline, TV show and, inevitably, the comic book.
THE FORTUNES AND histories of two toy companies, one American, one Japanese were intricately interwoven in the creation of the TRANSFORMERS toy line. In the early 1970s, US toy manufacturer Hasbro licensed its line of G.i. Joe action figures to Japanese toy giant Takara. Motivated by the popularity in Japan of robot figures, Takara turned the G.i. Joe mold into a transparent cyborg figure. This was scaled down to become the Micronman lione, and then the revolutionary transfoming Diaclone "Car Robot" series. Finally, in the early 1980s, Takara released its New Microman line (with its Microchange subseries), adding the further refinement of robots that transformed into non-car modes. At which point, Hasbro stepped in again...
IN 1984, the toy giant Hasbro secured the rights to Takara's combining-toy concepts, unifying their Diaclone and Microman lines into one cohesive brand: TRANSFORMERS. The tiny human pilots that sat in Daiclone's original toys were gone, and the toys were now divided into two groups: ground vehicles and airborne craft (plus handheld objects and weapons). Hasbro worked with writers at Marvel Comcis (see pages 40-43) to flesh out the background mythology to the saga, pitting the heroic Autobots against the evil Decepticons. Toys came complete with glossy pack art, a motto, and "tech specs" detailing each characters personality, strengths, and weaknesses.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Kid, you're either trolling or fantasizing. Pick one.XDMan wrote:This has nothing to do with what the immature TF Wiki says! Just because you grew up with Hasblow doesn't mean they did it all! And by the looks of it, your gold is starting to rust! PERIOD!
But seriously, if you honestly believe the Transformers brand didn't originate from Hasbro, then you're gonna have to provide sources and facts to support your claims. Otherwise, everything's stacked against your favor.
I could easily cite a source that isn't TFWiki or any fan-based source that says Hasbro created the brand. Take the 2004 Transformers: The Ultimate Guide book, written by longtime Transformers author Simon Furman himself, for example:
Page 6, "Introduction", Paragraph 3, Lines 13-18:The TRANSFORMERS line was initially modeled on existing molds and characters from Takara, a major Japanese toy manufacturer, reissues under license by Hasbro in the United States and elsewhere. Hasbro developed the larger concepts, including character names and biographies, in collaboration with the U.S. comic publisher, Marvel (and in particular writer/editor Bob Budiansky), paving the way for a comic book and animated TV show, both of which proved hugely popular.
Page 40, "US Comics 1 - The Mighty World of Marvel", Paragraph 1, Lines 1-9:BACK IN 1983, after the success of the G.I. Joe toy line and its comic book incarnation, toy giant Hasbro turned again to the hallowed halls of Marvel Comics in New York as they prepared to launch TRANSFORMERS. Marvel revolutionized the comics business in the 1960s with characters like Spider-Man, the Incredible Hulk, and the Fantastic Four. Writer and editor Bob Budiansky undertook the massive task of ascribing names and identities to a range of largely unlabeled toys. Budiansky laid much the groundwork for the toyline, TV show and, inevitably, the comic book.
Cited and sourced.
The only things Hasbro didn't create in the beginning were the original toy molds, which were only personality-less Diaclone and Micro Change toys before Hasbro got a hold of them and gave them life as the Transformers. Takara saw potential in these American versions and dropped both the Diaclone and Micro Change line in favor of re-importing the Transformers line from America to Japan in 1985.
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Edited my post when you posted.Mindmaster wrote:Sabrblade's a boss. 'Nuff said.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
That Bot wrote:Well considering that Prime RID is effectively over with the possible exception of Voyager Skyquake, it's kinda gonna have to be Beast Hunters if it happens at all.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
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