Gauntlet101010 wrote:...You know what? Considering I explicitly said I think they were relying on the sixth movie, as in the TLK SEQUEL that was supposed to come out last year, and you keep saying "TLK" I'm now thoroughly convinced you're just skimming my posts.
I did read your posts, but it's still TLK's Unicron. Would you rather I say Bayverse Unicron? It amounts to the same thing, doesn't it?
I think you need to respond to the spirit of the argument more than the wording, man.
Wording is important, considering that in your last post you talked as if I was saying TLK
itself was supposed to hype HasLab Unicron; that's what made me think you were skimming.
But you want spirit of the argument? You kept going on about how "TLK Unicron has nothing in common with G1 Unicron", I presume because all you see of him in TLK is his planet-mode horns piercing through Earth's crust. To which I
already countered that:
1. He is still built up as an ancient enemy of Cybertron and destroyer of worlds, sort of thing
2. He's not fully active in TLK; he's a looming future threat, rather than the main one. In
the sequel we would presumably have seen him awake and talking and appearing in robot mode (probably via an avatar a la
Prime Unicron, to avoid them having to glue Earth back together after beating him) and generally showing more of what people recognize as Unicron. Hence why I kept stressing
the sequel.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:My response to your points about timing is that Unicron is always around, in some form.
My response to that is: that form is
not always
a wide-release theatrical motion picture, with all the attendant marketing fanfare thereof. He may often have some level of fictional or toyline presence, but A FREAKING MOVIE is a substantially
bigger presence.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Same goes for movie related characters.
So, you might have a point relating to Titans Return. Maybe. But there's also a lot of characters in the line including Six Shot and Octane - you're just focusing on on the characters that support your point. It might be relating directly to the movie or it might relate to everything post seasons 1 - 2 ... which would include not only the movie characters, but also characters like Six Shot, Overlord, Pretenders, etc.
Well, first of all, Six Shot being in the line ties in with it being a Headmaster line considering that on both sides of the Pacific he joined the story and toyline at the same time as they did, ditto for the Monsterbots and Targetmasters and Clones.
I focus on the movie characters because
they are the ones people most strongly questioned the presence of; you
do remember all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over them being included in the Headmaster-centric line and thereby becoming Headmasters, right?
Here's how I see it:
1. They put Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, Scourge, and Galvatron (plus Wheelie and Gnaw at the Legends size class, but since Legends-class characters didn't have their heads coming off and turning into little figures, there wasn't a stink about them) in because it was the 30th anniversary of the movie
2. Then they picked Octane, Broadside, et al because they needed more characters to fill the Voyager class with and weren't sure how to do the Horrorcons while dealing with TR's one-size-fits-all stipulation for the Headmasters (notice that as soon as that and PotP's stipulations were gone, they gave us first Apeface and now Snapdragon); even if they
had done the Horrorcons, that would only have filled two slots.
3. After running out of Headmasters characters they could do easily, they started reaching for both characters who hadn't been done yet (like the Jumpstarters) and characters from the next era from G1 (such as Breakaway and Overlord) to further enlarge the line. Overlord was also there because they needed big guys who could turn into bases to fill out the Leader class.
Also, the only Pretender in Titans Return is Metalhawk from the "Siege on Cybertron" boxset.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:But I think it's far shakier on Unicron's promotion depending on TLK's sequel. That seems far more speculative (what the movie's about, the release date, Unicron's involvement). There's no need to get mad. I get your point. I just don't agree with your interpretation.
Well, first off, with the ending of TLK the sequel would have a reeeeally hard time being about anything
other than Unicron
. Second, I really do seem to recall that it was initially announced for 2019, a news article about the date and cast or somesuch.