dragons wrote:sorry that it is samll i thought this might make things a little less confusing.???
you missed off something important, the new ironhide still has the big circles on the sids of his head
Immortal Starscream wrote:actualy, frenzy was origionaly going to be soundwave, not blackout. started as soundwave, then became soundbite, and finaly frenzy.
Archibald Witwicky wrote:Trans4mers4ever wrote:(2) it's absolutely no more or less realistic for aliens to look insectoid than it is for them to look humanoid. there's no added realism there, it's only a farce.
Yes, actually, it is. Contrary to Alex's 'It's a hollywood cliche!' argument, aliens = insects is a long running sci-fi tradition, and with good reason.
A) Insects and fish are the most widespread, populous higher level life forms on this planet. There is a far wider variety and multitude of them than humans, birds, lizards, or anything else. Statistically, an alien is more likely to look like them than us.
B) Insects more than any other higher level life form can adapt to incredibly harsh living conditions. Life forms similar to insects would have an increased chance of survival, and therefore evolution, on harsh alien homeworlds. And there are far more of those than there are earth-like planets. For human like life to evolve on another planet, you'd essentially need a planet that matchs earth, both physically and historically, down to tiny detail.
So, sorry, yes. Insectoid aliens DO make far more sense than humanoid aliens. That's not neccisarily a good argument for making transformers look insectoid. But this 'OMG it's a stupid bs cliche' argument is well, a bs cliche.
dragons wrote:sorry that it is samll i thought this might make things a little less confusing.???
Faceful of Kitchen wrote:as for point #2, i never said i know what aliens would look like. i said nobody does, and in all likelyhood, they'd be totally unlike anything on earth. not humanoid, not insectoid, and not belonging to any other class of being that has ever existed on this planet. my point is that using realism as an argument for an insectoid appearance is stupid (especially in this case, as the primary insectoid element is the head).
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Of course we do, why do you think we get around so easily on Earth? With weird human suits like in your "Men in Black" movie? No that would be weird... Wait a min... I'm not supose to be telling you this... *get's shot by the men in black and green alien blood splatters all over the Micheal Bay designs*Shadowman wrote:Oh well, I'm sure all REAL aliens look exactly human.
Shadowman wrote:I wonder why aliens have to look like insects.
Oh well, I'm sure all REAL aliens look exactly human.
AbsumZer0 wrote:The reasons insects dominate the Earth is due to myriad factors the least of which has anything to do with their 'looking insectoid'. Unless the aliens were to be the size of insects, reproduce en masse like insects, socialize like insects, thermoregulate like insects, etc. then their 'insectoid appearance' is a sci-fi cliche.
Alex Kingdom wrote:Shadowman wrote:I implied sarcastically that wanting aliens to look human is making a bit of a stretch, as it is very doubtful that any other life in the universe looks like us.
Have you looked at any G1 to present day Transformers? Because they sure as hell don't look like humans, and they don't look like insects either. If their argument for making the design look the way they do is that it make them look more alien then why make their robots modes humanoid at all? Why give then two arms, two legs, one head? They look this way because it is a 'Hollywood cliche' regardless of any pseudo science that might suggest that fish/insects are more likely to be the form aliens would take. Transformers arent even organic, why would they adhere to that?
Yours AK
Bluebullet wrote:This is the type of thing that scares me. Either this movie bombs and impacts the franchise, or it succeeds and we're stuck with waves and waves of Bayformers or bayformer-esque monsters. Sadly, I would rather have the franchise end than be stuck with this sh*t.
Bluebullet wrote:This is the type of thing that scares me. Either this movie bombs and impacts the franchise, or it succeeds and we're stuck with waves and waves of Bayformers or bayformer-esque monsters. Sadly, I would rather have the franchise end than be stuck with this sh*t.
Phoenix.Prime wrote:Bluebullet wrote:This is the type of thing that scares me. Either this movie bombs and impacts the franchise, or it succeeds and we're stuck with waves and waves of Bayformers or bayformer-esque monsters. Sadly, I would rather have the franchise end than be stuck with this sh*t.
I've heard this sentiment before and I must confess I don't understand the reasoning behind it. The statement is clearly made from the perspective of a dislike of the film's direction. Let's break this down in to the two 'possibilities' proposed.
1) If this movie bombs it will impact the franchise (negatively).
I would say 'how so?'. Let's be honest here. If you're enough of a Transformers fan to know details about the movie at this stage of the game, you aren't going to suddenly dislike the concept of TF because you didn't care for the movie. Rather, it will only cement your belief that whatever iteration of the TF franchise you prefer is superior.
Which leads me to another point. The TF franchise is based on change. This franchise has been around for 20+ years. Every few years a new series is launched which is different from what has come before. And every time that happens there are those who cry "BLASPHEMY! THIS ISN'T TRANSFORMERS!". But you know what? Each new series has garnered it's own fans. Having a new iteration of TFs doesn't erase what has come before. If you like G1 it's still there. If you like Beast Wars it's still there etc etc etc.
2) If the film succeeds we'll be stuck with waves and waves of Bayformers or Bayformer-esque monsters.
If the film is a success, yes you will see a hell of a lot of movie merchandise. Why? Well, because clearly there will be a demand for it. That's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. Although there are people who are unhappy with the movie aesthetic, there are just as many people who are pleased with it and this is just within the TF fan-base. The general audience hasn't been exposed to anything yet and will not have the inherent bias that a long term fan has. This factor will leave them more readily able to accept the movie aesthetic as...well...simply what TFs are.
By the same token I seem to encounter quite a lot of comics, books, toys etc that cater to the different versions of the TFs franchise throughout the years even though they are no longer the primary focus. Again, just because there is a new version, that doesn't mean it erases that which has come before.
3) I would rather have the franchise end than be stuck with this sh*t.
That is a very selfish and childish thing to say. You would deny enjoyment for everyone but yourself simply because you personally don't like something? No one is forcing you to like this newest take on TFs. You should try to be respectful of those that don't feel the same way as yourself. People can disagree and still speak rationally and intelligently to one another.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:This is the best new guy we've had since Leonardo.
And Leonardo was a pretty good new guy.
Leonardo wrote:Shadowman wrote:This is the best new guy we've had since Leonardo.
And Leonardo was a pretty good new guy.
Wow! Thank you very much!
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Phoenix.Prime wrote:Bluebullet wrote:This is the type of thing that scares me. Either this movie bombs and impacts the franchise, or it succeeds and we're stuck with waves and waves of Bayformers or bayformer-esque monsters. Sadly, I would rather have the franchise end than be stuck with this sh*t.
I've heard this sentiment before and I must confess I don't understand the reasoning behind it. The statement is clearly made from the perspective of a dislike of the film's direction. Let's break this down in to the two 'possibilities' proposed.
1) If this movie bombs it will impact the franchise (negatively).
I would say 'how so?'. Let's be honest here. If you're enough of a Transformers fan to know details about the movie at this stage of the game, you aren't going to suddenly dislike the concept of TF because you didn't care for the movie. Rather, it will only cement your belief that whatever iteration of the TF franchise you prefer is superior.
Which leads me to another point. The TF franchise is based on change. This franchise has been around for 20+ years. Every few years a new series is launched which is different from what has come before. And every time that happens there are those who cry "BLASPHEMY! THIS ISN'T TRANSFORMERS!". But you know what? Each new series has garnered it's own fans. Having a new iteration of TFs doesn't erase what has come before. If you like G1 it's still there. If you like Beast Wars it's still there etc etc etc.
2) If the film succeeds we'll be stuck with waves and waves of Bayformers or Bayformer-esque monsters.
If the film is a success, yes you will see a hell of a lot of movie merchandise. Why? Well, because clearly there will be a demand for it. That's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. Although there are people who are unhappy with the movie aesthetic, there are just as many people who are pleased with it and this is just within the TF fan-base. The general audience hasn't been exposed to anything yet and will not have the inherent bias that a long term fan has. This factor will leave them more readily able to accept the movie aesthetic as...well...simply what TFs are.
By the same token I seem to encounter quite a lot of comics, books, toys etc that cater to the different versions of the TFs franchise throughout the years even though they are no longer the primary focus. Again, just because there is a new version, that doesn't mean it erases that which has come before.
3) I would rather have the franchise end than be stuck with this sh*t.
That is a very selfish and childish thing to say. You would deny enjoyment for everyone but yourself simply because you personally don't like something? No one is forcing you to like this newest take on TFs. You should try to be respectful of those that don't feel the same way as yourself. People can disagree and still speak rationally and intelligently to one another.
This is the best new guy we've had since Leonardo.
And Leonardo was a pretty good new guy.
Shadowman wrote:Leonardo wrote:Shadowman wrote:This is the best new guy we've had since Leonardo.
And Leonardo was a pretty good new guy.
Wow! Thank you very much!
Really, you were one of the coolest new guys I'd ever seen.
Most new guys ignore rules of grammar, post annoying question, etc. You did not.
Rock on.
Leonardo wrote:Shadowman wrote:Leonardo wrote:Shadowman wrote:This is the best new guy we've had since Leonardo.
And Leonardo was a pretty good new guy.
Wow! Thank you very much!
Really, you were one of the coolest new guys I'd ever seen.
Most new guys ignore rules of grammar, post annoying question, etc. You did not.
Rock on.
Well, the rules of grammar are very important.
I appreciate your kind words. Please accept this shiny thing as thanks.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Electron wrote:sledge your comments are like a fat chick raping a hot dog, its unpleasent to watch but in the end its gonna happen
Mr O wrote:I'm part Irish, part Scottish, very Welsh, mostly drunk, somewhat Transformers nerd and all bastard.
Bluebullet wrote:This is the type of thing that scares me. Either this movie bombs and impacts the franchise, or it succeeds and we're stuck with waves and waves of Bayformers or bayformer-esque monsters. Sadly, I would rather have the franchise end than be stuck with this sh*t.
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