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Z3ROhour wrote:WTFIUWTA!?
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WHAT THE FRAGGLE IS UP WITH THE ART?!
Are they insane?
Are they kidding?
Is this really what they are going with?
Is it an experiment?
Are 5 year olds all that is left for artists?
Is the world ending?
Did the Rapture take all the artists, because artist are the chosen people of the bigin the sky?
Am i still here?
Is this a joke?
the art... is... is BAD!
just terrible.
the cover with Leader-1 was... ok...
but
WTFIUWTA!?
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ZeroWolf wrote:It's basically recreating the art style of the early days, and was used to great effect in the Transformers vs GI Joe miniseries. It's not to some people's tastes but each to their own.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I initially wasn't keen on it [the art style], it's hard to follow, when I first read Transformers vs. GI Joe. Although I quickly got into it through it's unique angle of visual storytelling. It looks more subdued here in this mini regardless, which will help.
Besides it is infinitely superior to the vomiting skittles across the page we had in the Primacy Trilogy.
Kyleor wrote:Z3ROhour wrote:WTFIUWTA!?
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WHAT THE FRAGGLE IS UP WITH THE ART?!
Are they insane?
Are they kidding?
Is this really what they are going with?
Is it an experiment?
Are 5 year olds all that is left for artists?
Is the world ending?
Did the Rapture take all the artists, because artist are the chosen people of the bigin the sky?
Am i still here?
Is this a joke?
the art... is... is BAD!
just terrible.
the cover with Leader-1 was... ok...
but
WTFIUWTA!?
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There is a quality problem with many comic artists/writers, but you now get labeled a 'hater of women' or 'alt-right basement troll' by the fanboys of those artists/writers if you dare to point that out, or even suggest it.
Maybe they'll work up to a more modern or better style as the series goes on?
Kyleor wrote:There is a quality problem with many comic artists/writers, but you now get labeled a 'hater of women' or 'alt-right basement troll' by the fanboys of those artists/writers if you dare to point that out, or even suggest it.
ZeroWolf wrote:Isn't it a matter of taste though? Each artist has their fans and detractors in equal measures.
Oddly enough, I do technically get more nostalgic for Gobots than Transformers in general.Seibertron wrote:I don't even understand why Gobots is getting a comic. Can they just officially assimilate Gobots into Transformers once and for all and call it a day at long last? Is anyone truly nostalgic about Gobots over Transformers? If they are, I might have to rethink what I want to do with https://www.gobotron.com and https://www.machinerobo.com
Bumblevivisector wrote:Oddly enough, I do technically get more nostalgic for Gobots than Transformers in general.Seibertron wrote:I don't even understand why Gobots is getting a comic. Can they just officially assimilate Gobots into Transformers once and for all and call it a day at long last? Is anyone truly nostalgic about Gobots over Transformers? If they are, I might have to rethink what I want to do with https://www.gobotron.com and https://www.machinerobo.com
By which I mean, I don't get nostalgic for TF because it's the one thing I never gave up being a fan of, so it's never really been in the past for me. I get an occasional feeling of nostalgia for specific stretches of the franchise like the early '90s when I was collecting all the Marvel U.S. books I'd foolishly ignored, and the late '90s when Beast Wars was miraculously saving the whole TF franchise, because it gave me this feeling of hope against all odds when it seemed like I was the last fan who still cared, difficult to explain now to fans too young to remember when TF wasn't a permanent fixture of pop culture, and Hasbro could have just allowed it to drop dead at any moment. This feeling's at it's strongest when I make the mistake of talking to some geewunner my own age who apparently wishes the franchise had died during that era despite knowing nothing about it, because that makes me wish I still was the last Transformers fan.
Gobots, on the other hand, was strictly a mid-to-late '80s franchise that doesn't have much existence anymore. Sure, I recently bought that Bike-Robo with the extra CyKill-esque faces, but since those MP-quality toys are Machine-Robo, any of us who enjoy them as GoBots are technically just repurposing them, right? And that can only be nostalgia because of the legal roadblocks keeping it from its former glory.
To our fandom, Gobots has been first and foremost the butt of jokes about it being the lame wannabe competition to Transformers. And frankly, the stupid, stupid names of so many of its characters, and the entire franchise, were genuinely asking for it. But considering it nothing but lame non-Transformers is really just an archaic holdover from a time when they were on equal footing as direct competition for TF. And it wasn't just Gobots: perhaps even most fans old enough to remember the dawn of TF have forgotten, but those were just two of dozens of toy robot lines competing for space in every toy section, adding to what made the mid '80s the golden age of toys by virtue of the sheer number of franchises in the game, whether or not they had corresponding cartoons to tell their story. Most of these had no mythos beyond a little text on the back of their packaging, but nearly all had that air of mysterious origins across the Pacific that imbued them with alien-ness, something Transformers balanced perfectly with the relatability of its characters. Of course, we knew TF was easily the best, and deserved to win any competition, so most of us just dismissed them. Gobots alone posed too serious competition to just dismiss, so we s#at all over it instead. I was no exception, but sometime in the last few decades, I realized that in doing so, I'd failed to fully appreciated those toylines for what they were; I'd forgotten how much I loved that childhood forest for love of just my favorite tree.
THAT's what I get nostalgic for. And Gobots is my most reliable link to that era.
So no, Gobots should absolutely NOT be completely assimilated into TF, and Gobotron should not be just another version of Cybertron somewhere in the multiverse. This new comic, however, doesn't look or sound that interesting. Sure, it'll get people talking about Gobots in the present tense again, but I foresee yet another restart becoming necessary not too long afterward.
And when that happens, can't we have one damn TF universe where the Gobots, Zybots, Convertors, Robotrons, Bug Bots, Parasites etc. also exist, but on different planets with no direct evidence of being created by Primus or the Quintessons? Both Sunbow and Marvel's post-Movie eras showed that Transformers were just one of many disparate races of sentient robots, all alien to each other, so it's hardly unprecedented, but not really explored at all. The mission of that universe's Lost Light could be to investigate whether there is some forgotten connection to TF: Flip-Trons, Four Star, and other lines that had literal KOs of Diaclone molds would surely turn out to have some actual heritage, like botched Quint experiments using computers other than Vector Sigma, while others would turn out to have no connection at all. Since most of those franchises are dead and forgotten, would anyone sue or demand that much in royalties?
Or maybe that just makes sense to me because I didn't understand which cartoons shared continuity when I was 5. I always thought Dr. Archeville was just Dr. Braxis disguising himself so he could sneak into the superior giant robot cartoon, just like Cobra Commander donned that trenchcoat and fedora to sneak into Season 3 as Old Snake. Add in what I assumed were the Rock Lords showing up on He-Man and She-Ra, and all the action cartoons I grew up on are forever tangled up in my mind. That's the book I want to see. I'm so far behind on IDW that I won't get to Revolution for a while, but no matter how bad it sucked (seriously, was any of it as bad as the Jem movie?), I don't ever want Hasbro to give up on making that idea work. And Gobots should always be a part of that whole, distinct from Transformers.
Bumblevivisector wrote:Oddly enough, I do technically get more nostalgic for Gobots than Transformers in general.Seibertron wrote:I don't even understand why Gobots is getting a comic. Can they just officially assimilate Gobots into Transformers once and for all and call it a day at long last? Is anyone truly nostalgic about Gobots over Transformers? If they are, I might have to rethink what I want to do with https://www.gobotron.com and https://www.machinerobo.com
By which I mean, I don't get nostalgic for TF because it's the one thing I never gave up being a fan of, so it's never really been in the past for me. I get an occasional feeling of nostalgia for specific stretches of the franchise like the early '90s when I was collecting all the Marvel U.S. books I'd foolishly ignored, and the late '90s when Beast Wars was miraculously saving the whole TF franchise, because it gave me this feeling of hope against all odds when it seemed like I was the last fan who still cared, difficult to explain now to fans too young to remember when TF wasn't a permanent fixture of pop culture, and Hasbro could have just allowed it to drop dead at any moment. This feeling's at it's strongest when I make the mistake of talking to some geewunner my own age who apparently wishes the franchise had died during that era despite knowing nothing about it, because that makes me wish I still was the last Transformers fan.
Gobots, on the other hand, was strictly a mid-to-late '80s franchise that doesn't have much existence anymore. Sure, I recently bought that Bike-Robo with the extra CyKill-esque faces, but since those MP-quality toys are Machine-Robo, any of us who enjoy them as GoBots are technically just repurposing them, right? And that can only be nostalgia because of the legal roadblocks keeping it from its former glory.
To our fandom, Gobots has been first and foremost the butt of jokes about it being the lame wannabe competition to Transformers. And frankly, the stupid, stupid names of so many of its characters, and the entire franchise, were genuinely asking for it. But considering it nothing but lame non-Transformers is really just an archaic holdover from a time when they were on equal footing as direct competition for TF. And it wasn't just Gobots: perhaps even most fans old enough to remember the dawn of TF have forgotten, but those were just two of dozens of toy robot lines competing for space in every toy section, adding to what made the mid '80s the golden age of toys by virtue of the sheer number of franchises in the game, whether or not they had corresponding cartoons to tell their story. Most of these had no mythos beyond a little text on the back of their packaging, but nearly all had that air of mysterious origins across the Pacific that imbued them with alien-ness, something Transformers balanced perfectly with the relatability of its characters. Of course, we knew TF was easily the best, and deserved to win any competition, so most of us just dismissed them. Gobots alone posed too serious competition to just dismiss, so we s#at all over it instead. I was no exception, but sometime in the last few decades, I realized that in doing so, I'd failed to fully appreciated those toylines for what they were; I'd forgotten how much I loved that childhood forest for love of just my favorite tree.
THAT's what I get nostalgic for. And Gobots is my most reliable link to that era.
So no, Gobots should absolutely NOT be completely assimilated into TF, and Gobotron should not be just another version of Cybertron somewhere in the multiverse. This new comic, however, doesn't look or sound that interesting. Sure, it'll get people talking about Gobots in the present tense again, but I foresee yet another restart becoming necessary not too long afterward.
And when that happens, can't we have one damn TF universe where the Gobots, Zybots, Convertors, Robotrons, Bug Bots, Parasites etc. also exist, but on different planets with no direct evidence of being created by Primus or the Quintessons? Both Sunbow and Marvel's post-Movie eras showed that Transformers were just one of many disparate races of sentient robots, all alien to each other, so it's hardly unprecedented, but not really explored at all. The mission of that universe's Lost Light could be to investigate whether there is some forgotten connection to TF: Flip-Trons, Four Star, and other lines that had literal KOs of Diaclone molds would surely turn out to have some actual heritage, like botched Quint experiments using computers other than Vector Sigma, while others would turn out to have no connection at all. Since most of those franchises are dead and forgotten, would anyone sue or demand that much in royalties?
Or maybe that just makes sense to me because I didn't understand which cartoons shared continuity when I was 5. I always thought Dr. Archeville was just Dr. Braxis disguising himself so he could sneak into the superior giant robot cartoon, just like Cobra Commander donned that trenchcoat and fedora to sneak into Season 3 as Old Snake. Add in what I assumed were the Rock Lords showing up on He-Man and She-Ra, and all the action cartoons I grew up on are forever tangled up in my mind. That's the book I want to see. I'm so far behind on IDW that I won't get to Revolution for a while, but no matter how bad it sucked (seriously, was any of it as bad as the Jem movie?), I don't ever want Hasbro to give up on making that idea work. And Gobots should always be a part of that whole, distinct from Transformers.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Seibertron wrote:I don't even understand why Gobots is getting a comic.
Someone wrote:
Well, if you only ***** about female artists and inclusive writing, you probably deserve what you get.
ZeroWolf wrote:It's basically recreating the art style of the early days, and was used to great effect in the Transformers vs GI Joe miniseries. It's not to some people's tastes but each to their own.
More correctly, it's based on the style of Jack Kirby's more surreal art.dragons wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:It's basically recreating the art style of the early days, and was used to great effect in the Transformers vs GI Joe miniseries. It's not to some people's tastes but each to their own.
i dont know what early days your talking about i saw comics in news papers are style didnt look like this, i saw archie comics, and batman, they didnt look this xmen issue 12 first apperacne of juggernaught comc art doesnt look like this for humans and machines.
im no xmen fan but comic art of professor x looks better this comic page art was from years ago.
for those who like this art style let them buy it but for me comic art is what make me buy books not story if wanted good story i buy william shakespear, edger allen poe, jules vern, if i want comic book i look art first then everything else
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Bad Wolf wrote:Art quality aside.. I don't remember Turbo ever being able to have a driver when in car mode, as being cyborgs they were not that much bigger than average humans.. when did go-bots get mass shifting abilities?
Tekka wrote:What she doesn't realize is that Springer actually loves Rodimus.
Dead link.ThunderThruster wrote:Bad Wolf wrote:Art quality aside.. I don't remember Turbo ever being able to have a driver when in car mode, as being cyborgs they were not that much bigger than average humans.. when did go-bots get mass shifting abilities?
If you go to time index 8:20 you'll see Turbo shove both Nick and A.J. into the car seat area in his chest https://www.dailymotion.com/015adf09-f5 ... a1fd647d64
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Dead link.ThunderThruster wrote:Bad Wolf wrote:Art quality aside.. I don't remember Turbo ever being able to have a driver when in car mode, as being cyborgs they were not that much bigger than average humans.. when did go-bots get mass shifting abilities?
If you go to time index 8:20 you'll see Turbo shove both Nick and A.J. into the car seat area in his chest https://www.dailymotion.com/015adf09-f59a-4499-94fe-a7a1fd647d64
Tekka wrote:What she doesn't realize is that Springer actually loves Rodimus.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:On a related note, did anyone here (besides me) ever read the story "Echoes and Fragments"? It was written by Jim Sorenson during the Transformers Collectors Club's final year, and told an alternate version of the events of Transformers: The Movie, in which the Transformer Sideways and the Renegade GoBot Gong messed around with space-time to mix and match Transformers and GoBots in various roles during the events of movie, with Vector Prime setting out to stop their shenanigans and set things right with reality to get everyone back to their proper places for the movie's events to end correctly.
This was its title art:
Don't worry, all of the events were left intact (or given GoBots-based equivalents that were both appropriate matches and clever tributes to both series) and everyone left in-character. It was done in faithful respect to both properties, as opposed to Deviations's disgraceful disrespect.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:While that does sound interesting, after the insulting FanFic trash that was Deviations, I wouldn't go near any "alternate" take on The Movie ever again.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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