The Energon Pub

[Flashwave]

I just realized the boquet Ratchwt ia holding are the Energon flowers from Necroworld.

I dunno, I am not crazy on that Drift/Ratchet ship. I mean, I get it, I see what they are buikding off, its there in MTMTE 40 When Ratchet says to 10 something something "I don't think some of us realized how much", but I always took Ratchet and Drift's dynamic to be more of a friendship built on healthy debate than one of actual Shipping, and to me adding that in undermines their relationship by making it somethung else. Plus I am not a fan of evwryone being in love with everyone offoce romance thing. Afew is okay; everyone?!!! that gets excessive.

[ZeroWolf]

Sometimes a cover is just a cover

[ScottyP]

I just realized the boquet Ratchwt ia holding are the Energon flowers from Necroworld.

I dunno, I am not crazy on that Drift/Ratchet ship. I mean, I get it, I see what they are buikding off, its there in MTMTE 40 When Ratchet says to 10 something something "I don't think some of us realized how much", but I always took Ratchet and Drift's dynamic to be more of a friendship built on healthy debate than one of actual Shipping, and to me adding that in undermines their relationship by making it somethung else. Plus I am not a fan of evwryone being in love with everyone offoce romance thing. Afew is okay; everyone?!!! that gets excessive.

Roche helped put it in perspective when talking about MTMTE Revolution. About Crankcase and Cons4Eva, and I'm paraphrasing, "they were going to just be friends meeting up but it ended up being a blind date because they're never just friends with James Roberts."

I think it has only been truly prevalent in about four cases: Rechrome, Cygate, Lugnode, and Dratchet. That's probably not as many as it could have been. I do think fans ship too many examples too quickly though.

[william-james88]

I have been rereading MTMTE now that we know where its all headed and to see the clues left along the way. And man, some of these issues are truly amazing. I was rereading the one with the focus on the scavengers when they face off against Fort Max and it ends with Adaptus' followers destroying a project and restarting from scratch. Did that pan out to anything? Did we ever know what those experiments were?

But man, I get all those feels again. Like at the end when we see Fort Max with all the roboids.I remember having been devastated at first since it reminded me of those chimeras in Full Metal Alchemist (I am still not over that) and how just happy I was with that happy ending.

Oh that reminds me a question, was Dominus a roboid?

[Flashwave]

I have been rereading MTMTE now that we know where its all headed and to see the clues left along the way. And man, some of these issues are truly amazing. I was rereading the one with the focus on the scavengers when they face off against Fort Max and it ends with Adaptus' followers destroying a project and restarting from scratch. Did that pan out to anything? Did we ever know what those experiments were?

The Infinites

Oh that reminds me a question, was Dominus a roboid?

Only by literal Definition. Dominus and the Roboids were both forcibly trapped in Beast Modes basically as torture, but he was not a part of the Roboids, which were intended to be sold as pets to be abused by species who had been "wronged" by Cybertronian conflict. Dominus was tortured and kept around by the DJD for their own amusement

[Sagitta]

As far as Megatron is concerned...

...would think what we saw within the Functionist Universe is exactly what would have happened if Megatron hadn't began the war or if he just plain wasn't allowed to be "born". And if the Functionists had been permitted to carry out -all- their plans the entire story would have been messier & shorter.

Of course, no one would be able to honestly second-guess what would or would not hae happened either. It's much like asking if there were a way to kill "insert-name-of-any-tyrant-here" pre-birth or infancy would that be moral. The answer would be "no" since it's folly to try and predetermine what's unknowable. And and can't play judge, jury, & executioner when there's yet to be a committed.

Rewind thought he was doing the universe a service when he effectively killed Megatron in the "Elegant Chaos" arc. However all -that- did was allow a window to form to what could/would have been as a alternate reality as to -what- did happen. He learned with no war to stop them the Functionists merely expanded their ideology "outward".

Not saying actions don't have consequences. Just because Megatron finds his moral footing and helps save how many lives doesn't mean they replace those that were lost by his direct, or indirect, hand.

Still, considering the matter if the false-Primus had its way Megatron's aid should factor in somewhere in the final verdict.

[Sagitta]

I just realized the boquet Ratchwt ia holding are the Energon flowers from Necroworld.

I dunno, I am not crazy on that Drift/Ratchet ship. I mean, I get it, I see what they are buikding off, its there in MTMTE 40 When Ratchet says to 10 something something "I don't think some of us realized how much", but I always took Ratchet and Drift's dynamic to be more of a friendship built on healthy debate than one of actual Shipping, and to me adding that in undermines their relationship by making it somethung else. Plus I am not a fan of evwryone being in love with everyone offoce romance thing. Afew is okay; everyone?!!! that gets excessive.

Would be awful embarrassing if the end was written like a Shakespearian play. While Transformers comics in the past have certainly played out "everybody all dies" ad nauseam we really don't need the other end of the spectrum: "everybody gets married".

Especially in a series which began way back in "Infiltration", followed by the "Ongoing" series, neither of which indicated romance. There would be at least an explanation for it if there had been some introduction way back when the Cybertonian colonies were first referenced. But...nadda.

Roberts was good with keeping consistencies. On this topic...can't see it.

[william-james88]

I have been rereading MTMTE now that we know where its all headed and to see the clues left along the way. And man, some of these issues are truly amazing. I was rereading the one with the focus on the scavengers when they face off against Fort Max and it ends with Adaptus' followers destroying a project and restarting from scratch. Did that pan out to anything? Did we ever know what those experiments were?

The Infinites

Oh that reminds me a question, was Dominus a roboid?

Only by literal Definition. Dominus and the Roboids were both forcibly trapped in Beast Modes basically as torture, but he was not a part of the Roboids, which were intended to be sold as pets to be abused by species who had been "wronged" by Cybertronian conflict. Dominus was tortured and kept around by the DJD for their own amusement

Yeah, thats what i meant. Not a literal Roboid but went through the same stuff. Reading it all again I see Roberts planted a bunch of stuff and I felt this was one of them. Letting us know that this procedure existed and it had been done to Dominus.

Speaking of the DJD, I was rereading the bit where we finally learn of Skid's backstory with Tarn. One thing picked up that I did not pick up the first time is that (and you will correct me if I am wrong) Chromedome does put an end to the mnemosurgery before Skids remembers that he contributed to the death of all those autobots. Its a bit confusing since every flashback was a memory Skids was having that we were seeing, but those last few pages are instead just a scene of the past and not a memory. So Skids still does not know what he did, right?

Also, what are the infinites again, I dont know why I am drawing such a blank over all this.

[Flashwave]

I have been rereading MTMTE now that we know where its all headed and to see the clues left along the way. And man, some of these issues are truly amazing. I was rereading the one with the focus on the scavengers when they face off against Fort Max and it ends with Adaptus' followers destroying a project and restarting from scratch. Did that pan out to anything? Did we ever know what those experiments were?

The Infinites

Oh that reminds me a question, was Dominus a roboid?

Only by literal Definition. Dominus and the Roboids were both forcibly trapped in Beast Modes basically as torture, but he was not a part of the Roboids, which were intended to be sold as pets to be abused by species who had been "wronged" by Cybertronian conflict. Dominus was tortured and kept around by the DJD for their own amusement

Yeah, thats what i meant. Not a literal Roboid but went through the same stuff. Reading it all again I see Roberts planted a bunch of stuff and I felt this was one of them. Letting us know that this procedure existed and it had been done to Dominus.

Speaking of the DJD, I was rereading the bit where we finally learn of Skid's backstory with Tarn. One thing picked up that I did not pick up the first time is that (and you will correct me if I am wrong) Chromedome does put an end to the mnemosurgery before Skids remembers that he contributed to the death of all those autobots. Its a bit confusing since every flashback was a memory Skids was having that we were seeing, but those last few pages are instead just a scene of the past and not a memory. So Skids still does not know what he did, right?

Also, what are the infinites again, I dont know why I am drawing such a blank over all this.

I wouldhave to go back and reread. I think he does remembe but its not because of the memnosurgery, its something hefinally digs up on hos own, pixking away at the trauma scar until itcomes up.

[Sagitta]

I have been rereading MTMTE now that we know where its all headed and to see the clues left along the way. And man, some of these issues are truly amazing. I was rereading the one with the focus on the scavengers when they face off against Fort Max and it ends with Adaptus' followers destroying a project and restarting from scratch. Did that pan out to anything? Did we ever know what those experiments were?

The Infinites...

Speaking of the DJD, I was rereading the bit where we finally learn of Skid's backstory with Tarn. One thing picked up that I did not pick up the first time is that (and you will correct me if I am wrong) Chromedome does put an end to the mnemosurgery before Skids remembers that he contributed to the death of all those autobots. Its a bit confusing since every flashback was a memory Skids was having that we were seeing, but those last few pages are instead just a scene of the past and not a memory. So Skids still does not know what he did, right?

Also, what are the infinites again, I dont know why I am drawing such a blank over all this.

It was hinted in a few places in MtMtE and later clinched in LL #8 & #9 when Scorponok had been helping "The Grand Architect" with the experiments in creating the "ultimate warrior" which could turn into anything and repair itself even if killed. (Probably enhanced when Skid's outlier brain was obtained within the story.) The reasoning was to build an army to combat a certain something's coming. *points to false-Primus*

This issue was also the one in which Scorp re-obtained the "Magnificence"/Epistemus.

As for Skids, it wasn't actually mnemosurgery at the time it was done since all Chromedome did was look within Skid's memories. An evaluation of sorts. When he located the memories of Grindcore Chromedome pulled out. I think the part your referring to at the end of #49 was more for the reader's benefit. Not a memory which Skids had been recalling. Rung had often stated a sudden upbringing of the memories of Grindcore would be the death of Skids within #48 & 49.

Something that proved true in the "Dying of the Light" arc.

[william-james88]

Yeah, i reread and Domey did help skids not remember twice (including that time it got close!). Skids remembered willingly to trigger taruma and give everyone super powers to face off the DJD. It caused him to die, cant believe I forgot that (the cause, not his death, of course).

Also rereading the book into Lost Light, I see that James Roberts was not fair regarding the Lug not being there reveal. It's not like the 6th sense where there are clues. Here instead he purposefully superimposes texts of Lug over other people to make it look like people are responding to her. And there are POV-like shots of haracters looking at Lug. And knowing that Roberts is meticulous with his scripts, it means he didnt give us a chance of realizing Lug was not there all along. The functionist universe stuff is as fun as before, but whenever we go back to Necrobot's planet with Anode, its a real drag.

As for the infinites, I totally didnt catch any of that. Will be reading more to see where it all fits.

[ScottyP]

^ Anode's introduction was drawn out and weird, then it started to go somewhere and make sense, but then the book got its end issue determined which didn't jive with the initial plans. I agree with her arc feeling weird within Dissolution, but I think having more space would have brought characters like Anode full circle in a more satisfying way. I think Roller is another character that had a significant story arc cut out :'(

[william-james88]

I think Roller is another character that had a significant story arc cut out :'(

Yeah BIG TIME, he ends up being just the muscle for the most part. Its really too bad since i remember really looking forward to the potential when we saw him emerge at the end of MTMTE. He was the major reveal.

[X3ROhour]

I just realized the boquet Ratchwt ia holding are the Energon flowers from Necroworld.

I dunno, I am not crazy on that Drift/Ratchet ship. I mean, I get it, I see what they are buikding off, its there in MTMTE 40 When Ratchet says to 10 something something "I don't think some of us realized how much", but I always took Ratchet and Drift's dynamic to be more of a friendship built on healthy debate than one of actual Shipping, and to me adding that in undermines their relationship by making it somethung else. Plus I am not a fan of evwryone being in love with everyone offoce romance thing. Afew is okay; everyone?!!! that gets excessive.

YEAH.
Cant bots just be friends?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Thanks to a Tweet from the Action and Adventure Twitter page, with confirmation from Previews World, we have word that IDW's final 3 Transformers issues, Lost Light #25, Optimus Prime #25, and Unicron #6, have all been delayed into November. This comes as little surprise, seeing as how the comics were planned to be released biweekly and were supposed to have wrapped up by this point, but have been plagued by more delays.

As of this post, which itself may still be subject to change over the coming weeks, Lost Light will release its final issue on November 7, Unicron #6 will conclude the Chaos Bringer's arc on November 14, and Optimus Prime will wrap up the universe on November 21.

What do you think of these delays? Are you ready to get that final issue in your hand? Is it a bittersweet moment to have the final issues pushed back just a little bit farther out of your grasp? Let us know what you think in the comments section below!

[ScottyP]

I've been keeping track of the scheduled publication dates since May over in the chronology thread, and have probably updated that post at least once a week since. Very little has been on time this year, though they did really well for a stretch of the summer. More delays should not come as a surprise, though I expect this LL one was in the realm of shipping delays on Diamond's end.

[snavej]

It's quite a task to cram in so many goodbyes for all the characters, I'm sure. Maybe it would be easier to have a giant foot come down and crush everyone, a la Python?!

[Rodimus Prime]

"Achieved" is still misspelled.

[ScottyP]

"Achieved" is still misspelled.

Roche had time to correct it for a print so hopefully it makes it to the final cover as well. If it doesn't we can hassle him over it for eternity

[X3ROhour]

AW MAN!!
just drop the friggin axe already!

are u goin back for re-shoots?

anticipation
not my forte.

[Rodimus Prime]

"Achieved" is still misspelled.

Roche had time to correct it for a print so hopefully it makes it to the final cover as well. If it doesn't we can hassle him over it for eternity

Yeah, I suppose. But, it actually kind of fits, considering the characters, as they're all far from perfect as is their mission. So maybe it should be left that way.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Thanks to the Action and Adventure Twitter Page, we have a one-page preview for the final issue of Lost Light! This first page, currently only available on iOs, features the characters from Lost Light attending a funeral on what is being called New Cybertron. This New Cybertron would be the Functionist Cybertron they defeated last issue, and as for the funeral, there are several notable characters visible and also missing from the shots. There appear to be guards armed guards present with a trailer that reads "G10" possibly to mean Garrus 10, in line with the prisons using Garrus-X. The deceased is also noted as passing due to age related burnout.

So which character could the funeral be for? Megatron? Rodimus? Someone else entirely? Let us know what you think of this brief look at the end of Lost Light below!

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I'm calling it as Megatron, his story was finished, and I think this is appropriate

[Bounti76]

Why is Whirl being taken to prison? He's (relatively) reformed.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Why is Whirl being taken to prison? He's (relatively) reformed.

I think he's just shown there with the police officers