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partholon wrote:Burn wrote:Gay ... straight ... whatever else ... does it really matter though?
Course it does.
This isn't a romance book. So why am I reading about robots in love?
IMO it's why people have walked. Idw have strayed too far from the core concept.
partholon wrote:Burn wrote:Gay ... straight ... whatever else ... does it really matter though?
Course it does.
This isn't a romance book.
Caelus wrote:partholon wrote:Burn wrote:Gay ... straight ... whatever else ... does it really matter though?
Course it does.
This isn't a romance book.
I suppose I should aspire to becoming such a successful writer that I have people telling me what my book is about and complaining when it's not whatever they've decided it should be, but really, I feel like watching discussions like this would just make me want to tear out my own eyes.
Caelus wrote:partholon wrote:Burn wrote:Gay ... straight ... whatever else ... does it really matter though?
Course it does.
This isn't a romance book.
I suppose I should aspire to becoming such a successful writer that I have people telling me what my book is about and complaining when it's not whatever they've decided it should be, but really, I feel like watching discussions like this would just make me want to tear out my own eyes.
Caelus wrote:partholon wrote:Burn wrote:Gay ... straight ... whatever else ... does it really matter though?
Course it does.
This isn't a romance book.
I suppose I should aspire to becoming such a successful writer that I have people telling me what my book is about and complaining when it's not whatever they've decided it should be, but really, I feel like watching discussions like this would just make me want to tear out my own eyes.
ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair, as long as their toys got advertised I don't think hasbro really cared what story was going on. If hasbro had found the romance problematic they would have stepped in like every time they stepped in when they had toys they wanted featuring. Ultimately it's us fans that either have problems or don't. I'd imagine a lot of readers would turn their nose up at the tf comics just because it was tf, so they couldn't care less about reboots or who was writing what. When this happens it's a clash of opinions based on our views. There are no facts that say the comic is good or bad, after all people may not get the comic if the comic shop they get it from stop ordering it in (this happened to me) some might also stop reading because they have to drop their spending for what ever reason. So sales can not be a fact for if something is quality or not.
partholon wrote:what you do in YOUR book is no ones business but yourself. by all means go pitch a book to image and run with it.
but when you write someone elses property you go by their rules, and when their already existing readership walks away in droves from your stories?
well you wont be writing that companies book for much longer.
Randomhero wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair, as long as their toys got advertised I don't think hasbro really cared what story was going on. If hasbro had found the romance problematic they would have stepped in like every time they stepped in when they had toys they wanted featuring. Ultimately it's us fans that either have problems or don't. I'd imagine a lot of readers would turn their nose up at the tf comics just because it was tf, so they couldn't care less about reboots or who was writing what. When this happens it's a clash of opinions based on our views. There are no facts that say the comic is good or bad, after all people may not get the comic if the comic shop they get it from stop ordering it in (this happened to me) some might also stop reading because they have to drop their spending for what ever reason. So sales can not be a fact for if something is quality or not.
Oh they do. Trust me they do.
In All Hail Megatron, kup was suppose to be the traitor that sold out the Autobots instead of Sunstreaker. Hasbro said no.
All Hail Megatron again, scourge was suppose to show up and be portrayed as an old Decepticon and challenge Megatrons leadership. There’s even a line from Stracream in issue 6 I believe that mentions scourge when stracream brings up “someone will challange you”
2010 ongoing, bumblebee was who Costa wanted to kill off instead of Ironhide. Hasbro said nope.
Last stand of the wreckers, Springer, kup and preceptor was suppose to die and hasbro turned it.
They do actually have say in the comics and there is someone who reads all the scripts and approves them.
ZeroWolf wrote:Randomhero wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair, as long as their toys got advertised I don't think hasbro really cared what story was going on. If hasbro had found the romance problematic they would have stepped in like every time they stepped in when they had toys they wanted featuring. Ultimately it's us fans that either have problems or don't. I'd imagine a lot of readers would turn their nose up at the tf comics just because it was tf, so they couldn't care less about reboots or who was writing what. When this happens it's a clash of opinions based on our views. There are no facts that say the comic is good or bad, after all people may not get the comic if the comic shop they get it from stop ordering it in (this happened to me) some might also stop reading because they have to drop their spending for what ever reason. So sales can not be a fact for if something is quality or not.
Oh they do. Trust me they do.
In All Hail Megatron, kup was suppose to be the traitor that sold out the Autobots instead of Sunstreaker. Hasbro said no.
All Hail Megatron again, scourge was suppose to show up and be portrayed as an old Decepticon and challenge Megatrons leadership. There’s even a line from Stracream in issue 6 I believe that mentions scourge when stracream brings up “someone will challange you”
2010 ongoing, bumblebee was who Costa wanted to kill off instead of Ironhide. Hasbro said nope.
Last stand of the wreckers, Springer, kup and preceptor was suppose to die and hasbro turned it.
They do actually have say in the comics and there is someone who reads all the scripts and approves them.
First off, someone at idw really has it in for Kup (and finally got their wish)
Secondly, thanks for the infodoesn't this prove then that hasbro are fine with things like chromedome and rewind?
Caelus wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:You do realize that sex does not have to be had for them to be homosexual right?
That would be the case if they were human beings, but this isn't two people who've agreed to abstinence, this is two individuals in a race that has largely appropriated the concept of GENDER from other cultures, and does not have the concept of SEX at all.
"Same sex" relationships entail SEX. Not GENDER.Both pairs of characters are male, that's a fact dude.
Their gender is male, not their sex, because they don't have the concept of SEX.I read the whole thing, it was as gay as any other homosexual couple I know in real life.
Except for that non-trivial part about neither of them having a sex, let alone the same sex.
That an emotionally intimate, nonsexual relationship between two asexual entities stirs so much discomfort and protest simply because the characters have the same, subjective, self-defined gender says a lot about the people who complain incessantly about it.Hell Chromedome and Rewind went so far as to be "paired" in a very marriage style relationship.
My wife and I also got 'paired' in a very marriage style relationship. That doesn't make us gay.It could I suppose, but those arguing they aren't male would be wrong.
I didn't argue that they aren't male. Their gender is clearly intended to be masculine. I argued that they don't have SEX which is sort of central to the definition of "same SEX relationship".
Galactic Prime wrote:You are so incredibly wrong it isn't even funny. Plenty of people have relationships without sex, both straight and gay.
Sex and gender are two completely different things.
partholon wrote:and there you have it.
the "sod off and read something else" response from the SJW brigade.
to bring you up to speed, ive been a fan of the comic books going back to issue 52 of the UK comic book.
ive followed it through every iteration thats followed since and i bougt IDW up to issue 6 of Optimus prime - which i dropped cause i just couldnt support them any more.
i bought the last vol (2) of OP and both trades of LOST LIGHT.
im NOT buying them anymore as the decrease in quality is shocking.
so currently im up to speed reading both titles from scans on line in the VAIN hope itll change.
i know what im talking about on this subject heres a hint mate, no writer - anywhere- is immune from criticism , so maybe pandering to you is why these books are dying.
in which case go read a slashfic on tumblr and let the rest of us get our sci/fi epic back.
Caelus wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:You are so incredibly wrong it isn't even funny. Plenty of people have relationships without sex, both straight and gay.
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But human beings who abstain from sex, even asexual people, still exist in a culture where sex is a thing, and the cultural significance of sex shapes the meaning of romantic relationships - even celibate relationships, or relationships with limited rules for intercourse. That is not true for aliens with no analogue to sex or sexuality.
When a person looks at two Transformers with the same gender holding hands and freak out over 'all the homosexuality', the transgender 'agenda', etc., and whines about it being forced down their throats and complains about the impact it's having on children, it's even more absurd than in the context of human beings, because there's no sexual component to it.
The angst spewed out by homophobic readers over two dudes holding hands is all the more remarkable because - even by the standards of their own bigoted proscriptions against human men having sexual intercourse with one another - the characters have done nothing 'offensive'.Sex and gender are two completely different things.
Yes, exactly!
partholon wrote:and there you have it.
the "sod off and read something else" response from the SJW brigade... in which case go read a slashfic on tumblr and let the rest of us get our sci/fi epic back.
know what im talking about on this subject heres a hint mate, no writer - anywhere- is immune from criticism
so maybe pandering to you is why these books are dying.
Galactic Prime wrote:partholon wrote:and there you have it.
the "sod off and read something else" response from the SJW brigade.
to bring you up to speed, ive been a fan of the comic books going back to issue 52 of the UK comic book.
ive followed it through every iteration thats followed since and i bougt IDW up to issue 6 of Optimus prime - which i dropped cause i just couldnt support them any more.
i bought the last vol (2) of OP and both trades of LOST LIGHT.
im NOT buying them anymore as the decrease in quality is shocking.
so currently im up to speed reading both titles from scans on line in the VAIN hope itll change.
i know what im talking about on this subject heres a hint mate, no writer - anywhere- is immune from criticism , so maybe pandering to you is why these books are dying.
in which case go read a slashfic on tumblr and let the rest of us get our sci/fi epic back.
Well said, too bad we can't just drop these SJW's off the edge of the flat Earth they probably believe in.
ZeroWolf wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:partholon wrote:and there you have it.
the "sod off and read something else" response from the SJW brigade.
to bring you up to speed, ive been a fan of the comic books going back to issue 52 of the UK comic book.
ive followed it through every iteration thats followed since and i bougt IDW up to issue 6 of Optimus prime - which i dropped cause i just couldnt support them any more.
i bought the last vol (2) of OP and both trades of LOST LIGHT.
im NOT buying them anymore as the decrease in quality is shocking.
so currently im up to speed reading both titles from scans on line in the VAIN hope itll change.
i know what im talking about on this subject heres a hint mate, no writer - anywhere- is immune from criticism , so maybe pandering to you is why these books are dying.
in which case go read a slashfic on tumblr and let the rest of us get our sci/fi epic back.
Well said, too bad we can't just drop these SJW's off the edge of the flat Earth they probably believe in.
Actually people believing in a flat earth tend to be on the right wing side of the fence, while sjw tend to be more left wing. Also while there is no doubt the more extreme representive of sjw (though what this term encompasses now is a bit harder to pin down and might as well be redefined as "someone I disagree with") their heart is in the right place by wanting us to be, essentially, nicer to each other and treat each other more fairly.
Galactic Prime wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Actually people believing in a flat earth tend to be on the right wing side of the fence, while sjw tend to be more left wing. Also while there is no doubt the more extreme representive of sjw (though what this term encompasses now is a bit harder to pin down and might as well be redefined as "someone I disagree with") their heart is in the right place by wanting us to be, essentially, nicer to each other and treat each other more fairly.
Actually, people who tend to believe in a Flat Earth are not more right leaning, stupidity isn't exclusive to right or left leaning people.
Caelus wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Actually people believing in a flat earth tend to be on the right wing side of the fence, while sjw tend to be more left wing. Also while there is no doubt the more extreme representive of sjw (though what this term encompasses now is a bit harder to pin down and might as well be redefined as "someone I disagree with") their heart is in the right place by wanting us to be, essentially, nicer to each other and treat each other more fairly.
Actually, people who tend to believe in a Flat Earth are not more right leaning, stupidity isn't exclusive to right or left leaning people.
Actually, I don't endorse FET, so as I seem to be the butt of the insult, the basic premise is trivial. Now, do you really want to get into an argument about relative intellect or do you want to keep this civil?
Galactic Prime wrote:I wasn't referring to you, either directly or indirectly. I was making a comment on SJW's and Flat Earther's being one and the same. I don't know where you think you get your name being referenced seeing as how the last time I posted to you I told you I was done speaking with you.
Burn wrote:Holy crap guys ... I know I'm at fault for contributing to it but we need to get back on topic.
Thanks to Sigma Magnus for doing so!
Sigma Magnus wrote:...honestly, I'm glad they're using Unicron to end the continuity. I feel like Unicron should be used only as a final boss sort of this, otherwise it sorta cheapens him.
As for the new universe, I hope some of the concepts from this one bleed into it (and the rest of the franchise overall), as well as some of the unique characterizations for lesser-used characters.
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