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Randomhero wrote:But they were oppressed. The episode that introduced the Tripredacus Council explained that after the war the predacons were oppressed in ways and were treated as second class citizens. And BW megatrons plan by the end of season two was to wipe out not just the autobots and maximals by killing Optimus Prime it was to wipe himself out so his ancestors ancestors would become the victors of the war. That very act would destroy himself too and he knew it.
Randomhero wrote:But they were oppressed. The episode that introduced the Tripredacus Council explained that after the war the predacons were oppressed in ways and were treated as second class citizens. And BW megatrons plan by the end of season two was to wipe out not just the autobots and maximals by killing Optimus Prime it was to wipe himself out so his ancestors ancestors would become the victors of the war. That very act would destroy himself too and he knew it.
Coptur wrote:Randomhero wrote:But they were oppressed. The episode that introduced the Tripredacus Council explained that after the war the predacons were oppressed in ways and were treated as second class citizens. And BW megatrons plan by the end of season two was to wipe out not just the autobots and maximals by killing Optimus Prime it was to wipe himself out so his ancestors ancestors would become the victors of the war. That very act would destroy himself too and he knew it.
The Tripredous council no doubt 'believed' that and told the masses the same, don't forget they had their own plans in motion which are some what put on hold by BW Megatron. Peace would feel oppressive to war mongers and haters they would say and do anything (i.e lie) to have full power back in their court.
Megatron didn't fall victim to the time-nado his plan would've killed only Autobots whereas later on Tarantulas saw the opportunity to do the same but to both factions (in turn serving the Tripredacus Council) by wiping out the Ark with all on board.
Coptur wrote:Randomhero wrote:But they were oppressed. The episode that introduced the Tripredacus Council explained that after the war the predacons were oppressed in ways and were treated as second class citizens. And BW megatrons plan by the end of season two was to wipe out not just the autobots and maximals by killing Optimus Prime it was to wipe himself out so his ancestors ancestors would become the victors of the war. That very act would destroy himself too and he knew it.
The Tripredous council no doubt 'believed' that and told the masses the same, don't forget they had their own plans in motion which are some what put on hold by BW Megatron. Peace would feel oppressive to war mongers and haters they would say and do anything (i.e lie) to have full power back in their court.
Megatron didn't fall victim to the time-nado his plan would've killed only Autobots whereas later on Tarantulas saw the opportunity to do the same but to both factions (in turn serving the Tripredacus Council) by wiping out the Ark with all on board.
is only creating plausible deniability in a story where there is none. The writers have told us through the writing that the Predacons were born of a downtrodden loser of a bloody. Costly war. Take that at face value because its Canon.The Tripredous council no doubt 'believed' that and told the masses the same, don't forget they had their own plans in motion which are some what put on hold by BW Megatron. Peace would feel oppressive to war mongers and haters they would say and do anything (i.e lie) to have full power back in their court.
Flashwave wrote:Coptur wrote:Randomhero wrote:But they were oppressed. The episode that introduced the Tripredacus Council explained that after the war the predacons were oppressed in ways and were treated as second class citizens. And BW megatrons plan by the end of season two was to wipe out not just the autobots and maximals by killing Optimus Prime it was to wipe himself out so his ancestors ancestors would become the victors of the war. That very act would destroy himself too and he knew it.
The Tripredous council no doubt 'believed' that and told the masses the same, don't forget they had their own plans in motion which are some what put on hold by BW Megatron. Peace would feel oppressive to war mongers and haters they would say and do anything (i.e lie) to have full power back in their court.
Megatron didn't fall victim to the time-nado his plan would've killed only Autobots whereas later on Tarantulas saw the opportunity to do the same but to both factions (in turn serving the Tripredacus Council) by wiping out the Ark with all on board.
The Tripredacus Council could be seen loosely analogous to post WWI Germany. The Allied Powers saddled Germany with enormous debt and responsibility for repairing the damage done by the war, so much so that Germany was forced into exorbinant inflation and was exporting resources it needed to rebuild for itself. For his part, Woodrow Wilson cautioned against such harsh reperations, but was largely ignored.
Now, the Autobot/Decepticon War was probably not anythibg like WW1, but we really don't know how the Pax Cybertronia went down, and its entorely possible, even likely, that Autobot Victors punished the Cons by making them rebuild. And much as how the Nazi party gained traction in the Shadows, (remember, Hitler was ELECTED by a tired, broken people, the Jew-hating, baby eating villianous bad guys part came later) the Tripredacus Council likely evolved under similar circumstances.
Your sayingis only creating plausible deniability in a story where there is none. The writers have told us through the writing that the Predacons were born of a downtrodden loser of a bloody. Costly war. Take that at face value because its Canon.The Tripredous council no doubt 'believed' that and told the masses the same, don't forget they had their own plans in motion which are some what put on hold by BW Megatron. Peace would feel oppressive to war mongers and haters they would say and do anything (i.e lie) to have full power back in their court.
Coptur wrote:Flashwave wrote:Coptur wrote:Randomhero wrote:But they were oppressed. The episode that introduced the Tripredacus Council explained that after the war the predacons were oppressed in ways and were treated as second class citizens. And BW megatrons plan by the end of season two was to wipe out not just the autobots and maximals by killing Optimus Prime it was to wipe himself out so his ancestors ancestors would become the victors of the war. That very act would destroy himself too and he knew it.
The Tripredous council no doubt 'believed' that and told the masses the same, don't forget they had their own plans in motion which are some what put on hold by BW Megatron. Peace would feel oppressive to war mongers and haters they would say and do anything (i.e lie) to have full power back in their court.
Megatron didn't fall victim to the time-nado his plan would've killed only Autobots whereas later on Tarantulas saw the opportunity to do the same but to both factions (in turn serving the Tripredacus Council) by wiping out the Ark with all on board.
The Tripredacus Council could be seen loosely analogous to post WWI Germany. The Allied Powers saddled Germany with enormous debt and responsibility for repairing the damage done by the war, so much so that Germany was forced into exorbinant inflation and was exporting resources it needed to rebuild for itself. For his part, Woodrow Wilson cautioned against such harsh reperations, but was largely ignored.
Now, the Autobot/Decepticon War was probably not anythibg like WW1, but we really don't know how the Pax Cybertronia went down, and its entorely possible, even likely, that Autobot Victors punished the Cons by making them rebuild. And much as how the Nazi party gained traction in the Shadows, (remember, Hitler was ELECTED by a tired, broken people, the Jew-hating, baby eating villianous bad guys part came later) the Tripredacus Council likely evolved under similar circumstances.
Your sayingis only creating plausible deniability in a story where there is none. The writers have told us through the writing that the Predacons were born of a downtrodden loser of a bloody. Costly war. Take that at face value because its Canon.The Tripredous council no doubt 'believed' that and told the masses the same, don't forget they had their own plans in motion which are some what put on hold by BW Megatron. Peace would feel oppressive to war mongers and haters they would say and do anything (i.e lie) to have full power back in their court.
Should losers not have repercussion for their actions?? If you don't want to pick up the smashed glass because you might get cut fingers then don't throw it in the first place.
So the Autobots/Maximals lived up to greatest leader who states that 'freedom is right of all senitent beings' I can not believe that writers would fully intend that real heroes were the ones that forced BW Megatron to want to mass genocide on an entire race.
(Hitlers jew hatred was pretty much from the beginning of his political campaign the deaths came later but the hatred very much there.)
This segment of the story was written from the Bad Guys perspective and you fully believed everything they said as gospel truthful canon. I won't believe one side of story and not consider the other sides.
Now I admit we don't get the good guy side of the story maybe that was a mistake from the writers maybe it was very intentional but from the actions and nature of all the maximals on the show i do not get a sense of superiority or wanting to down tread on the predacons. Optimus often wanted peace with Megatron and to work together to get off of earth.
As with everything transformers there is always more than meets the eye (or ear)
Ultimately the transformers is for children and we shouldn't grey the lines between good and evil.
Optimus Prime and the Autobots should always be for good on life and fight for lose unable to defend themselves Optimus should never put in the same light as Churchill who did a lot of good but also a lot of questionable thing during his life. the same goes for Megatron a murderer and tyrant I shouldn' want to question the whys and what with him as would never question why Hitler was a nasty ****.
ZeroWolf wrote:Coptur wrote:Flashwave wrote:Coptur wrote:Randomhero wrote:But they were oppressed. The episode that introduced the Tripredacus Council explained that after the war the predacons were oppressed in ways and were treated as second class citizens. And BW megatrons plan by the end of season two was to wipe out not just the autobots and maximals by killing Optimus Prime it was to wipe himself out so his ancestors ancestors would become the victors of the war. That very act would destroy himself too and he knew it.
The Tripredous council no doubt 'believed' that and told the masses the same, don't forget they had their own plans in motion which are some what put on hold by BW Megatron. Peace would feel oppressive to war mongers and haters they would say and do anything (i.e lie) to have full power back in their court.
Megatron didn't fall victim to the time-nado his plan would've killed only Autobots whereas later on Tarantulas saw the opportunity to do the same but to both factions (in turn serving the Tripredacus Council) by wiping out the Ark with all on board.
The Tripredacus Council could be seen loosely analogous to post WWI Germany. The Allied Powers saddled Germany with enormous debt and responsibility for repairing the damage done by the war, so much so that Germany was forced into exorbinant inflation and was exporting resources it needed to rebuild for itself. For his part, Woodrow Wilson cautioned against such harsh reperations, but was largely ignored.
Now, the Autobot/Decepticon War was probably not anythibg like WW1, but we really don't know how the Pax Cybertronia went down, and its entorely possible, even likely, that Autobot Victors punished the Cons by making them rebuild. And much as how the Nazi party gained traction in the Shadows, (remember, Hitler was ELECTED by a tired, broken people, the Jew-hating, baby eating villianous bad guys part came later) the Tripredacus Council likely evolved under similar circumstances.
Your sayingis only creating plausible deniability in a story where there is none. The writers have told us through the writing that the Predacons were born of a downtrodden loser of a bloody. Costly war. Take that at face value because its Canon.The Tripredous council no doubt 'believed' that and told the masses the same, don't forget they had their own plans in motion which are some what put on hold by BW Megatron. Peace would feel oppressive to war mongers and haters they would say and do anything (i.e lie) to have full power back in their court.
Should losers not have repercussion for their actions?? If you don't want to pick up the smashed glass because you might get cut fingers then don't throw it in the first place.
So the Autobots/Maximals lived up to greatest leader who states that 'freedom is right of all senitent beings' I can not believe that writers would fully intend that real heroes were the ones that forced BW Megatron to want to mass genocide on an entire race.
(Hitlers jew hatred was pretty much from the beginning of his political campaign the deaths came later but the hatred very much there.)
This segment of the story was written from the Bad Guys perspective and you fully believed everything they said as gospel truthful canon. I won't believe one side of story and not consider the other sides.
Now I admit we don't get the good guy side of the story maybe that was a mistake from the writers maybe it was very intentional but from the actions and nature of all the maximals on the show i do not get a sense of superiority or wanting to down tread on the predacons. Optimus often wanted peace with Megatron and to work together to get off of earth.
As with everything transformers there is always more than meets the eye (or ear)
Ultimately the transformers is for children and we shouldn't grey the lines between good and evil.
Optimus Prime and the Autobots should always be for good on life and fight for lose unable to defend themselves Optimus should never put in the same light as Churchill who did a lot of good but also a lot of questionable thing during his life. the same goes for Megatron a murderer and tyrant I shouldn' want to question the whys and what with him as would never question why Hitler was a nasty ****.
Except that history has shown us how Hitler got the way he was, he wasn't born evil, it was events in his life that shaped his views.
I can see that you would prefer the lines more clear cut like in the cartoons but these are the comics and generally, they play the long game. For all you know, these are building up to an event where the corrupt elements of the bot forces ignore orders from prime and kill a lot of megs followers, which in turn breaks his mind, turning him into the megs you want.
Having said that, maybe transformers '84 will be more up your street
Randomhero wrote:Coptur wrote:Randomhero wrote:Coptur wrote:Honestly i'm happy for those that are enjoying this.
..but here we go again the "Autobots are bad wah wah" this is NOT Megatron.
Megatron should be a power hungry **** no more no less. Idw please please stop justifying your villain it ruins your villain sometimes people are just ****holes simple as that.
Yeeeeeeah Megatron was a one note villain for over 20 years that just cackled and screamed domination with no depth. No thanks. I’d rather have characters that are interesting and have a good background.
Yeah I can see and understand the container argument.
but if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Making your heroes out to be the bad guy faction isn't good writing either.
Megatron isn't Magneto and and should never be Magneto and doesn't need those layers.
By robbing the Leader-1 / Cy-Kill backstory you aren't doing anything new.
Glad you're liking this take on Megatron though, i guess this just isn't for me anymore.
Except it was broke which made those characters not that memorable. When a character just cackles and screams evil things. That’s not great. It worked for a children’s cartoon 35 years ago but not nowadays.
This is also a Megatron that hasnt started the war yet. It’s inevitable he will lose his way but guess what? That’s how most villains start.
The most memorable villains in media have tragic origins that made them who they were. Even going back to transformers with Beast Wars Megatron. A character that was evil but he was evil because he was created on the side of the war that lost and grew up oppressed and became obsessed with changing his heritage.
What you’re wanting is the very thing that people have complained about with the first half of the marvel movies. That the villains were just cookie cutter one dimensional characters that were evil to just be evil and was a big criticism for some of those movies.
Nobody wants what you’re asking for because it doesn’t work
ZeroWolf wrote:That's quite a drop in sales there
00Stargrave00 wrote:I’m pretty sure Diamond Comics Distributors are like the last comics distributors in the US. There are no figures outside of a vacuum. If you find some others here’s the place to post them
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