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Ah whats the point? Once Takara Tomy gets a wiff of this they'll simply redo it and put out their version like Prime.

Rated X wrote:TOO MUCH POLITICS !!!

If you like the character and think the figure would look good in your collection, BUY IT !!!

If you dont like the figure for whatever reason, SAVE YOUR MONEY !!!

Stop worrying about what money another man does or doesnt get in his pocket. I guarantee he isnt worried about your wallet. The world was built on supply and demand. Us collectors demand figures and companies supply them to us.

I support all 3rd party companies for listening to fans and giving them what they want by any means necessary.

In other words, you don't really care if your fellow fan is ripped off so long as you get what you want. This isn't political at all.

We haven't actually seen this product so maybe iGear didn't rip it off at all. Wheeljack's custom is a low blow, but in the end both worked off HasTak's own mold to make their creation, so it didn't really bug me too much. 90% of that was HasTak. But this trailer is 100% produced by one dude, made with his own hands.

It's one thing to support 3rd party guys ... I do too. But it's another to see a KO of a fellow fans work and support that. If you don't even care about your fellow TF fans, well ... why come to a forum at all?

alternator77 wrote:while i agree to an extent if you dont want your work copied or stolen then get a patent or trademark for the creative process involved in your creation. oh wait it was an UNOFFICIAL armor add on for an OFFICIAL product. nevermind

Problem with that is a patent or trademark doesn't mean jack to iGear...see the other half of the Ultra Magnus figure for proof.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Rated X wrote:TOO MUCH POLITICS !!!

If you like the character and think the figure would look good in your collection, BUY IT !!!

If you dont like the figure for whatever reason, SAVE YOUR MONEY !!!

Stop worrying about what money another man does or doesnt get in his pocket. I guarantee he isnt worried about your wallet. The world was built on supply and demand. Us collectors demand figures and companies supply them to us.

I support all 3rd party companies for listening to fans and giving them what they want by any means necessary.

In other words, you don't really care if your fellow fan is ripped off so long as you get what you want. This isn't political at all.

We haven't actually seen this product so maybe iGear didn't rip it off at all. Wheeljack's custom is a low blow, but in the end both worked off HasTak's own mold to make their creation, so it didn't really bug me too much. 90% of that was HasTak. But this trailer is 100% produced by one dude, made with his own hands.

It's one thing to support 3rd party guys ... I do too. But it's another to see a KO of a fellow fans work and support that. If you don't even care about your fellow TF fans, well ... why come to a forum at all?

Once you cross the fine line between collecting and creating collectibles, you are more than just a fan. You are a visionary. Maybe your vision might be to have this exclusive piece of art so everyone can drool over it and worship you for owning it. However, somebody elses vision is to share a piece of the pie with everyone. You had the oppurtunity to sell the patent to someone with the money and resources to give everyone a chance to appreciate your work, and instead you chose to lock it up in a vault. How many hardcore transformer fans that buy $100+ figures reside in your town ??? Maybe one or two, right ??? Is there really a need for something to be so super exclusive when the next person that even wants one probally lives 500 miles away ??? Put it out there. Let the fans enjoy it. Or are you going to be a greedy fan and hold the figure hostage ???


Its funny how everybody trashes I-Gear for using a fans work without permission, but nobody trashes the fan for using Hasbros character without permission to build a figure in the first place. And if he indeed did sell his prototype to I-Gear, than he just ate off of Hasbro's plate and got a free meal. Wheres all the copyright fanatics coming to defend Hasbro ??? Its all the same s**t. And if the guy who designed the prototype didnt get paid, maybe this will inspire him to start networking with companies when he builds something to make smart business deals and showcase his talent.


I mean no disrespect to anybody on this forum or anybody who kitbashes. This is just my opinion.

Rated X wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Rated X wrote:TOO MUCH POLITICS !!!

If you like the character and think the figure would look good in your collection, BUY IT !!!

If you dont like the figure for whatever reason, SAVE YOUR MONEY !!!

Stop worrying about what money another man does or doesnt get in his pocket. I guarantee he isnt worried about your wallet. The world was built on supply and demand. Us collectors demand figures and companies supply them to us.

I support all 3rd party companies for listening to fans and giving them what they want by any means necessary.

In other words, you don't really care if your fellow fan is ripped off so long as you get what you want. This isn't political at all.

We haven't actually seen this product so maybe iGear didn't rip it off at all. Wheeljack's custom is a low blow, but in the end both worked off HasTak's own mold to make their creation, so it didn't really bug me too much. 90% of that was HasTak. But this trailer is 100% produced by one dude, made with his own hands.

It's one thing to support 3rd party guys ... I do too. But it's another to see a KO of a fellow fans work and support that. If you don't even care about your fellow TF fans, well ... why come to a forum at all?

Once you cross the fine line between collecting and creating collectibles, you are more than just a fan. You are a visionary. Maybe your vision might be to have this exclusive piece of art so everyone can drool over it and worship you for owning it. However, somebody elses vision is to share a piece of the pie with everyone. You had the oppurtunity to sell the patent to someone with the money and resources to give everyone a chance to appreciate your work, and instead you chose to lock it up in a vault. How many hardcore transformer fans that buy $100+ figures reside in your town ??? Maybe one or two, right ??? Is there really a need for something to be so super exclusive when the next person that even wants one probally lives 500 miles away ??? Put it out there. Let the fans enjoy it. Or are you going to be a greedy fan and hold the figure hostage ???


Its funny how everybody trashes I-Gear for using a fans work without permission, but nobody trashes the fan for using Hasbros character without permission to build a figure in the first place. And if he indeed did sell his prototype to I-Gear, than he just ate off of Hasbro's plate and got a free meal. Wheres all the copyright fanatics coming to defend Hasbro ??? Its all the same s**t. And if the guy who designed the prototype didnt get paid, maybe this will inspire him to start networking with companies when he builds something to make smart business deals and showcase his talent.


I mean no disrespect to anybody on this forum or anybody who kitbashes. This is just my opinion.

Judging by Cybertron.ca more than a few live in my town, actually.

Also, people do thrash a fan for using Hasbro's work without permission. You don't have to go farther than this very thread to find people who don't like 3rd party products for doing that. And yeah, this very armor set we're talking about too.

However, you don't seem to make any distinction between somethign made in a factory with hundreads of products made and something made by one singular person who works on it for years just to make one ... and has his face rubbed in it no less. I guess you haven't made anything to write it off so easily.

Ultimately your point of view is pure selfishness, however you choose to present it. "I can't afford it, so knock it off so I can buy it" is what it boils down to .... or am I wrong?

And you know what? My own mentiality isn't all that different. But this boils my blood a bit because of what I just said earlier. Scale. Screwing over Mr. Big is very different than screwing over the little guy to me. I get your viewpoint. You don't care who gets screwed so long as you can buy whatever. But, I kinda do care about this. IF it turns out to be true.

If it's true I'll have lost a lot of respect for iGear. Not that they're the most creative of the 3rd party guys ... or even the ones with the best quality. But ... this is a new low for KO makers. Hate to say it, but if it's true I'd be hoping for iGear to take a nosedive.

So wait, the customs i've done in the past, the ones where i've taken an old licensed figure and overhauled it and made it into a character of my own creation ... i'm suppose to just lay down and say nothing if someone takes my idea and mass produces it because I didn't trademark/copyright it?

Or am I suppose to turn around and mass produce it for others because being a "greedy fan and holding a figure hostage" is wrong?

And here I was thinking there was respect in this fandom. Boy was I majorly wrong there.

The TWF side has already killed this rumor. It's nothing more than BS made up by the user Lord Starscream over at that forum. There are some on that forum that have claim to have seen the blue print for the next couple of release from Igear and they said that it will not be the MP Magnus Armor and PP-05 isn't the MP Style Predaking. A lot of people have voiced their disgust at Igear including RumbleFrenzy, one of the best when it comes to making custom TF.

Like me, a lot of people have purchase Igear products. My newest being the Kup heads. The quality from them is damn good. I am more than happy to have it. The way that they conducted that survey over on facebook, when they ask which model head is best, this shows that their team is more than capable of creating their own molds rather than just ripping them off. The conehead seekers, the wings and the launcher, sure they could of rip them off from someone, but where is the proof in all these allegations? Are the heads actually taken from a kitbasher? Aren't they all using the property owned by Hasbro? Perhaps the kitbasher and the member from Igear are looking at the same picture when they come up with the sculpt. Similarities, coincident. who knows.

The scaled down Mini MP Prime, I mean, we all know what it is, and those of us that choose to buy it have or reason to do so. The newly MP-01L priced at 135$ or so, is readily available, but yet, a buddy of mine, insist on getting the mini Prime. Reason, it is in better scale. And there is no changing the mind of an individual when it is set. The MP style coneheads coming out, boycott all you want. It doesn't change anything. Those that want to complete their MP seekers, there is no way they are turning it down regardless of how wrong it is. People buy bootlegs, KO etc...

As consumers, the only thing we have to worry about is paying full price of something authentic, only to find out that it is a bootleg/ko. Fansprojects City Commander is now over 300 on ebay. KO can be purchase at a fraction. Now it would really suck to buy a 300$ city commander and find out it is a cheap KO. There is nothing wrong with bootlegs or KO just as longs as you know and they tell you that this is a fake.

Burn wrote:So wait, the customs i've done in the past, the ones where i've taken an old licensed figure and overhauled it and made it into a character of my own creation ... i'm suppose to just lay down and say nothing if someone takes my idea and mass produces it because I didn't trademark/copyright it?

This is exactly my feeling on the matter. The custom forums of the various TFer boards are my main daily stopping point. I look on with awe (and a little jealousy) at what people are able to create. I wish I could produce something as amazing as some of the pieces I see.
That said, I would never by a 'Knock off' custom despite how awesome it was or how much I wish it was part of my collection,

As the original artist has no doubt spent weeks and months lovingly building the item, because they no doubt love the character and the fandom.
Then to see all their hardwork and designs (as you know, creating custom transformations isn't the easiest thing in the world) ripped off and profited on by someone else..

At first when I heard about the coneheads, I wasn't happy. As to me, it is just wrong to steal a customser's designs. Then I saw a post from the original creator that he had given them permission so it was okay to me. They were the product of his hard work, so he has the right to decide what happens with them.

So at the moment for me it is just a 'wait and see'. Maybe igear has no intention of copying Mark's designs and this is all just a false rumor. If so, then they will stay as an alright 3rd party producer in my books.
But if they do release something that looks very much like Mark's trailer, they will have suddenly fallen a long way in my books and I'll be ensuring I don't purchase any of their future products.

robofreak wrote:Igear, has ripped off 2 kitbashers now that I know of. The Coneheads were developed by another artist and Igear got their hands on it and then produced the molds for them while giving very little support to the guy that made it possible. They didn't even ask his permission.

Considering that they don't ask Hasbro for permission ...

Just sayin'

Burn wrote:So wait, the customs i've done in the past, the ones where i've taken an old licensed figure and overhauled it and made it into a character of my own creation ... i'm suppose to just lay down and say nothing if someone takes my idea and mass produces it because I didn't trademark/copyright it?

Or am I suppose to turn around and mass produce it for others because being a "greedy fan and holding a figure hostage" is wrong?

And here I was thinking there was respect in this fandom. Boy was I majorly wrong there.

It's funny how when the 3rd party companies were doing this to Hasbro, the majority clapped their hands and said bring it on. We'll take whatever is awesome!

But now that some 3rd party companies might be ripping off fan creations, some fans are crying FOWL! SHAME! BOO! HISS!

Welcome to Hasbro and Takara Tomy's world, folks.

robofreak wrote:2. FP makes their own stuff. They do not rip off other designs. Yes, the intended homage is blatant, but they are carfeul to make it their own.

Tired of pulling punches so here I go ... this is a fan contrived excuse to make us feel better when we're buying unofficially licensed products from 3rd party companies. Is it a Transformers related product that's not made by Takara Tomy or Hasbro? Then it's not "their own stuff" and it's ripping off Hasbro and Takara Tomy's ideas. It really is that black and white folks. There are no gray areas here other than ones we've made up to justify all of this.

Just to make it clear, I hated i-Gear's rip off practices back when they released images of their MP Prime KO and still do today.
Also I believe the Predaking being PP 05 is bullshite, since there is no existing MP Predaking they could KO, unless they KO the actual G1 Predaking with KOs of CrazyDevy's parts.

Seibertron wrote:

Burn wrote:So wait, the customs i've done in the past, the ones where i've taken an old licensed figure and overhauled it and made it into a character of my own creation ... i'm suppose to just lay down and say nothing if someone takes my idea and mass produces it because I didn't trademark/copyright it?

Or am I suppose to turn around and mass produce it for others because being a "greedy fan and holding a figure hostage" is wrong?

And here I was thinking there was respect in this fandom. Boy was I majorly wrong there.

It's funny how when the 3rd party companies were doing this to Hasbro, the majority clapped their hands and said bring it on. We'll take whatever is awesome!

But now that some 3rd party companies might be ripping off fan creations, some fans are crying FOWL! SHAME! BOO! HISS!

Welcome to Hasbro and Takara Tomy's world, folks.

ahhhh but i've always been with Hasbro and TT. Never been a big supporter of third party products.

But to "steal" ideas from other fans and mass produce them, I dunno, that just seems lower than a snake's belly.

Burn wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Burn wrote:So wait, the customs i've done in the past, the ones where i've taken an old licensed figure and overhauled it and made it into a character of my own creation ... i'm suppose to just lay down and say nothing if someone takes my idea and mass produces it because I didn't trademark/copyright it?

Or am I suppose to turn around and mass produce it for others because being a "greedy fan and holding a figure hostage" is wrong?

And here I was thinking there was respect in this fandom. Boy was I majorly wrong there.

It's funny how when the 3rd party companies were doing this to Hasbro, the majority clapped their hands and said bring it on. We'll take whatever is awesome!

But now that some 3rd party companies might be ripping off fan creations, some fans are crying FOWL! SHAME! BOO! HISS!

Welcome to Hasbro and Takara Tomy's world, folks.

ahhhh but i've always been with Hasbro and TT. Never been a big supporter of third party products.

But to "steal" ideas from other fans and mass produce them, I dunno, that just seems lower than a snake's belly.

It's just hitting where the pocket book is, which isn't smart business. You don't want to piss off your consumer/user base. Hits a little closer to home, so fans are squeamish about it. Funny how when it's one of our ideas (in this case the idea of a fan or two) that it's very different all of a sudden than when it's from Hasbro or Takara Tomy.

That really sucks that iGear have supposedly stolen TF Anemis's design, that's really unfair. I don't buy third party products despite some cases where they improve upon existing TFs as add ons such as Fansproject. Just ripping off people's designs whether it be HasTak or fans like you and I, it's out of order.
I won't every even consider buying anything from iGear now, even if Magnus looks truly perfect.

alternator77 wrote:scratching my head here
where was this uproar when they announced the coneheads or faith leader?
i dont recall this many posts of people up in arms.

I remember. There was a load of people saying "this is too close to theft" and "is this going to cause HASTAK to clamp down on 3rd parties. At least I think it was the Faith Leader that started it.

Mykltron wrote:

alternator77 wrote:scratching my head here
where was this uproar when they announced the coneheads or faith leader?
i dont recall this many posts of people up in arms.

I remember. There was a load of people saying "this is too close to theft" and "is this going to cause HASTAK to clamp down on 3rd parties. At least I think it was the Faith Leader that started it.

Actually it was their Sharkticons that started it.

Honestly (and I once again mean no disrespect to anybody) some of you guys get a little too sensitive about this. These are freaking toys. These are not blood diamonds from Angola. Nobody was killed or harmed in the making of any of these products. And if the “fan” had no intention of selling the prototype for mass production, then technically he never lost any money. His ego just got a little hurt when reality sunk in and made him realize how much he could have made. But he didn’t realize the potential his creation had. He underestimated himself. He should actually be flattered, that somebody on the other side of the globe liked his work so much that they were willing to invest in bringing it out. There is always a chance that the mass produced product will flop, so he is taking a risk as well. And he is doing it because he sees potential which in a way is a type of homage. It might be a screwed up way to pay homage, but is still paying homage to the original piece.

I have seen many of the works by Burn, Rumble/Frenzy and others. I consider them to be some of the most talented individuals out there. I don’t know what they do for a living, but I wish they would take their talents to the mainstream. Find some rich guy, and convince him to invest in the creation of a new 3rd party company. WE WILL SUPPORT YOU.

As far as the case of one custom figure pictured in an online gallery for people to drool over, we will always look. We will always stare in awe. But if you ever been to a strip club before, you know damn well know that we all get tired of looking. WE WANT TO TOUCH.

It’s pretty hard to touch when the figure is rotting on e-bay for $1000 bucks or sitting in some rich collectors home that we will never visit. And in terms of price, you really cant place a value on something that there is only one of. (I learned that from Pawn Stars) So you might think it is worth $1000 bucks because you created it, but I’m thinking more like $300. Neither of us is right or wrong. There is no Beckett price guide for custom transformers. What you can get for it is what its worth.

But even the creator cant monopolize something forever. China spares nobody. Ask HP about their printer cartridges. Ask Motorolla about their cell-phones. If you don’t put it out first at a fair price, CHINA’S GONNA GET YOU !!!

That’s the nature of the beast. Like I said before, Transformer products should not be compared to Angola blood diamonds. Lighten up guys…

Rated X wrote:Honestly (and I once again mean no disrespect to anybody) some of you guys get a little too sensitive about this. These are freaking toys. These are not blood diamonds from Angola. Nobody was killed or harmed in the making of any of these products. And if the “fan” had no intention of selling the prototype for mass production, then technically he never lost any money. His ego just got a little hurt when reality sunk in and made him realize how much he could have made. But he didn’t realize the potential his creation had. He underestimated himself. He should actually be flattered, that somebody on the other side of the globe liked his work so much that they were willing to invest in bringing it out. There is always a chance that the mass produced product will flop, so he is taking a risk as well. And he is doing it because he sees potential which in a way is a type of homage. It might be a screwed up way to pay homage, but is still paying homage to the original piece.

I have seen many of the works by Burn, Rumble/Frenzy and others. I consider them to be some of the most talented individuals out there. I don’t know what they do for a living, but I wish they would take their talents to the mainstream. Find some rich guy, and convince him to invest in the creation of a new 3rd party company. WE WILL SUPPORT YOU.

As far as the case of one custom figure pictured in an online gallery for people to drool over, we will always look. We will always stare in awe. But if you ever been to a strip club before, you know damn well know that we all get tired of looking. WE WANT TO TOUCH.

It’s pretty hard to touch when the figure is rotting on e-bay for $1000 bucks or sitting in some rich collectors home that we will never visit. And in terms of price, you really cant place a value on something that there is only one of. (I learned that from Pawn Stars) So you might think it is worth $1000 bucks because you created it, but I’m thinking more like $300. Neither of us is right or wrong. There is no Beckett price guide for custom transformers. What you can get for it is what its worth.

But even the creator cant monopolize something forever. China spares nobody. Ask HP about their printer cartridges. Ask Motorolla about their cell-phones. If you don’t put it out first at a fair price, CHINA’S GONNA GET YOU !!!

That’s the nature of the beast. Like I said before, Transformer products should not be compared to Angola blood diamonds. Lighten up guys…

You like the Marksproject's Ultra Magnus trailer? If so you can order one from him, he does take order you know:
http://www.marksprojects.com/saleitems.htm
Everything on that page is for sale if you like something and have the desire to buy it, place and order and he'll scratch build it for you.
So your point about him just making one and being so selfish as to keeping it for himself is nothing but a steaming pile of crap.

Seibertron wrote:

robofreak wrote:2. FP makes their own stuff. They do not rip off other designs. Yes, the intended homage is blatant, but they are carfeul to make it their own.

Tired of pulling punches so here I go ... this is a fan contrived excuse to make us feel better when we're buying unofficially licensed products from 3rd party companies. Is it a Transformers related product that's not made by Takara Tomy or Hasbro? Then it's not "their own stuff" and it's ripping off Hasbro and Takara Tomy's ideas. It really is that black and white folks. There are no gray areas here other than ones we've made up to justify all of this.

I disagree entirely. It is certainly not black and white, nothing in this world is so simple. FP making their own version of Springer, based entirely on their own engineering, or add-on packs for Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod is not "ripping off" Hasbro any more than Hasbro is ripping off Lambourghini with their Universe Sunstreaker/Sideswipe mould, or Nissan with the Prowl mould.

iGear blatantly reproducing other peoples work, such as the MP Optimus Prime, the MP Seekers, even their new Bumblebee is just a re-shell of Legends Bumblebee, is them profiting by stealing other peoples work. They don't seem to have any business ethics at all.

I bought the Kup head off them as my first iGear purchase, because I assume it is an original work by them, and now I'm even regretting that.

Anyway, glad you can wade in and join the discussion Seibertron

Dead Metal wrote:You like the Marksproject's Ultra Magnus trailer? If so you can order one from him, he does take order you know:
http://www.marksprojects.com/saleitems.htm
Everything on that page is for sale if you like something and have the desire to buy it, place and order and he'll scratch build it for you.
So your point about him just making one and being so selfish as to keeping it for himself is nothing but a steaming pile of crap.

Wowee, that is a nice Sky Lynx he's got going on there...

Mkall wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:You like the Marksproject's Ultra Magnus trailer? If so you can order one from him, he does take order you know:
http://www.marksprojects.com/saleitems.htm
Everything on that page is for sale if you like something and have the desire to buy it, place and order and he'll scratch build it for you.
So your point about him just making one and being so selfish as to keeping it for himself is nothing but a steaming pile of crap.

Wowee, that is a nice Sky Lynx he's got going on there...

I wish he'd give the option to sell them as kits. They'd be cheaper and I'd prefer to build it on my own.

Dead Metal wrote:You like the Marksproject's Ultra Magnus trailer? If so you can order one from him, he does take order you know:
http://www.marksprojects.com/saleitems.htm
Everything on that page is for sale if you like something and have the desire to buy it, place and order and he'll scratch build it for you.
So your point about him just making one and being so selfish as to keeping it for himself is nothing but a steaming pile of crap.

Hey, he has null rays for Seekers! I didn't know he had that.

But, yeah. He makes the trailer from scratch, using no existing toys. Now you can talk about how much you love scratchbuilders or you can act like you do. If you like what they do, then buy from them. You know, most of the time their items wind up on ebay too. If all you care about is owning it, though, then own up to that selfish desire.

As for people being harmed, well, yeah someone is. In the case of KOs, Hasbro/Takara is being harmed because iGear (or whoever) do not pay royalties for a licenence. This is true for every unofficial TF product you can name. As for this specific example, Mark would be harmed. As the designer and manufactuer of this product, wouldn't you agree he has a right to any profit being made when it's sold? Don't you think people at iGear (or whomever) makes money off what they sell? Well a cheap KO of it wouldn't give him what he's owned thereby harming him. Moreover, it's insulting to him and discourages him to make more things (after all, who bother if joe blow is gonna knock it off with 0 profit for his efforts?), thereby harming him further.

So, no. It's not like it's be harmless to have iGear knock off Mark's trailer. Please, don't fool yourself.

am i the only one who likes my magnus all white? hes my official IDW magnus i think he looks fantastic as is.
what i do hope for eventually is a downsized magnus with armor from takara so he is in scale with prime and megatron.

alternator77 wrote:am i the only one who likes my magnus all white? hes my official IDW magnus i think he looks fantastic as is.
what i do hope for eventually is a downsized magnus with armor from takara so he is in scale with prime and megatron.

I agree with you. I like MP UM like he is as I am not all that into the trailer armor…

But, that isn't really the topic of discussion.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Hey, he has null rays for Seekers! I didn't know he had that.

I really like them too. I wish he had better pictures of his items.