Starscream GaGa wrote:1...shave your face with a comb.
2And you can't say that something happens in a movie when you haven't seen it yourself. The nurse/maid DID hear Kane say "rosebud" and the fact that she told this to Jerry is the driving point fo the film. I have studied this film, I'm not pulling stuff out of my ass abotu a movie I've never seen like you have.
3Same with LOTR. I've seen the movies, I've read the book, the eagles could NOT have taken the Fellowship to Mordor, for many reasons which have all been stated and you have chosen to ignore and instead insulted me for proving you wrong.
Agreed. Just thought I'd try to add...
1 I've got a late start at work today, and still need to shave, so I thank you for the advice on not doing so with a comb. Oh, if I had a penny for every time I tried doing this....
2 Even if the nurse wasn't in the room, and don't think I'm fighting anyone on that point, it is very well established by the reporters watching News on the March that Kane's last word was rosebud, and that the nurse heard him say it, and that the film will now focus on what it meant. I've seen the movie probably 30 times, and while I'm not trying to sound too-cool, it is pretty obvious that someway or another the final word was heard by a nurse or maid who'd taken it to the press. My problem with the holes in RotF is that they aren't explained, or if they are, are done so via the novelization and cardbacks of figures and other out of movie sources. IF Kane's last word is not heard by a visible nurse, the next couple minutes of the film more than retcon it, whereas RotF doesn't.
Also, I'm not a film student or anyhting like that, but regardless of if RotF is your favorite movie evereverEVER or not, to put it in the same conversation as Citizen Kane is really, really a poor choice. When people overly criticize RotF they often get told it was just a summer popcorn movie, an action film, and not supposed to be Citizen Kane. Bay claims he recieved death threats over his treatment of the franchise; Orson Wells fell under attack from the entire stable of Hearst affiliates. Bay got death threats? Mmm hmm, and the Twins will/on't be in DotM......right? "Oh, disregard spoilers and info, Bay's a master of misinformation....." but we're supposed to believe he got death threats. If Bay told me today was Wednesday I'd go check my calendar.
Regardless of my tangent, Citizen Kane is a landmark film in the history of cinema. Maybe someday RotF will be looked at the same way, but even then, it won't be Citizen Kane, which will never be Gone with the Wind, which will never be The Ten Commandments, which....
3 The eagles thing ends up being a huge trolling topic. Why not just fly the ring to Mordor? Because LotR is, as a written fiction, patterned on the old English epics and heroic tales. Why didn't Beowulf just drain the swamp and pre-emptively kill Grendel's mom, or why didn't the Greeks just light Troy on fire and smoke the Trojans out? I know the story details, but the reasons they didn't is because they are stories of heroic journeys and long voyages. One of the foundational elements of epic poetry is that it occurs over a number of years. LotR being patterned on the epics would use that same element. Tolkien was a professor of literature and languages, and he knew about the epics and did it on purpose in his Middle Earth writing. Why didn't the eagles just fly them there is more or less a stupid question intended to make people have this type of arguement, or talk about why LotR is not some cheesy sword and magic movie for nerds.
Also, the ring does corrupt all creatures except Frodo whom the ring chose to bear it, and would we really want giant eagles under the influence of the Ring fighting each other, the Fellowship and ultimately boosting the army of Mordor when there's already so much to contend with?
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