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13 Year Old Girl Killed Herself Over Online Hoax!

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Postby Moonbase2 » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:32 pm

Everyone has a sob story.

When I was 17 my first love died. I buried him a week before my high school graduation. I had a falling out with ALL my friends, ALL my family, lived in a tiny room with no phone, food, money, or cable. I had surgery and had to lie about the severity of it to my relatives. When I did move back home, I was treated in a hostile manner. I was told to "get over" my boyfriend's horrific death mere weeks after it happened. I weighed under a 100 pounds from not having food to eat. Sob, sob, sob.

But I have always been of healthy mind, so I pulled myself through it through sheer will. In five years I went from that mess to a businesswoman with high self esteem. This girl had ISSUES that I don't have. Nobody kills themselves right after a fight unless they have an utter DEATH WISH.
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Postby Gutter Bunny » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:32 pm

Night Raid wrote:
Gutter Bunny wrote:
Night Raid wrote:If she's that weak, she deserves to die!



Congratulations. I think that is officially the most ignorant post i have ever read on here.


You'd be surprised what I know, and what I lived through. So unless you'd like to compare 'battle scars', I'd say let's just leave it at that.


yes, yes. Everybody has their "battle scars" as you put it. I am not going to get into an online pissing contest over who has had a harder life. But i am curious as to how you can justify a seemingly innocent person "deserving to die"

and for the recrod i am using the term innocent in regards to having not commited any ill act that would warrent capital punishment or the like. Perhaps you just feel that socially awkward merits punishment.
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Postby DesalationReborn » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:57 pm

Gutter Bunny wrote:
Night Raid wrote:
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Night Raid wrote:If she's that weak, she deserves to die!



Congratulations. I think that is officially the most ignorant post i have ever read on here.


You'd be surprised what I know, and what I lived through. So unless you'd like to compare 'battle scars', I'd say let's just leave it at that.


yes, yes. Everybody has their "battle scars" as you put it. I am not going to get into an online pissing contest over who has had a harder life. But i am curious as to how you can justify a seemingly innocent person "deserving to die"

and for the recrod i am using the term innocent in regards to having not commited any ill act that would warrent capital punishment or the like. Perhaps you just feel that socially awkward merits punishment.


They killed themselves. Anyone who kills themselves deserves to die in the same way anyone who puts their fingers in an electrical outlet deserves to get shocked. They simply have requested it.

Besides the effects of causality, that's all the 'deserves' anyone ever has.
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Postby Gutter Bunny » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:06 pm

DesalationReborn wrote:They killed themselves. Anyone who kills themselves deserves to die in the same way anyone who puts their fingers in an electrical outlet deserves to get shocked. They simply have requested it.

Besides the effects of causality, that's all the 'deserves' anyone ever has.


And that i would agree with.

However, saying you deserve to die because it was your desire is different than saying you deserve to die because you are weak.
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Postby MagnusPrimal » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:13 pm

So, a thirteen-year old girl, who was sick, has an adult parent masquerading as a minor online to gain her confidence, become her friend, and then belittle her and lie about her. And some people mock the girl. :???:
Yes, suicide is a stupid thing to do, imo. Beyond stupid. But she was a teenager, barely more than a child, and guess what? Children (at least some of them) are quite capable of being stupid! They don't have the life experiences to know things will get better, that this really isn't that big of a deal. Also, she was sick. You have to consider that. Her parents should have been monitoring her more, no doubt. But these other people, these adults, I'm sorry, they did a horrible thing. Even had she not killed herself, they're scumbags. I hope the parents of the dead girl bring a civil suit against them.
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Postby Moonbase2 » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:14 pm

This was a 13 year old child. Children don't fully comprehend the consequences of their actions. She had mental problems and wasn't properly monitored. She did NOT deserve to die. Wasn't like she was some 45 year old crackhead bum that sh*tted his life away.
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Postby DesalationReborn » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:19 pm

Gutter Bunny wrote:
DesalationReborn wrote:They killed themselves. Anyone who kills themselves deserves to die in the same way anyone who puts their fingers in an electrical outlet deserves to get shocked. They simply have requested it.

Besides the effects of causality, that's all the 'deserves' anyone ever has.


And that i would agree with.

However, saying you deserve to die because it was your desire is different than saying you deserve to die because you are weak.


I think the line being drawn was that anyone who is weak enough to kill themselves for such minute reasons is pretty much destined to die and shouldn't be given much pity, not so much that the individual poster is inclined to kill them themselves. A bit of a "good-riddence" send off, yes, but I personally can't much stand pity myself.
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Postby Night Raid » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:23 pm

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DesalationReborn wrote:
Gutter Bunny wrote:
DesalationReborn wrote:They killed themselves. Anyone who kills themselves deserves to die in the same way anyone who puts their fingers in an electrical outlet deserves to get shocked. They simply have requested it.

Besides the effects of causality, that's all the 'deserves' anyone ever has.


And that i would agree with.

However, saying you deserve to die because it was your desire is different than saying you deserve to die because you are weak.


I think the line being drawn was that anyone who is weak enough to kill themselves for such minute reasons is pretty much destined to die and shouldn't be given much pity, not so much that the individual poster is inclined to kill them themselves. A bit of a "good-riddence" send off, yes, but I personally can't much stand pity myself.


I agree. That's what I meant about my 'inner Megatron'. He despises weakness, and I guess I do too.
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Postby Liege Evilmus » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:47 pm

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It's still sad though...


Or modern natural selection?

Look ADD or otherwise, everyone has issues and problems that to some may seem trivial, but to yourself are detrimental.

THIS APLIES TO EVERYONE.

And it's up to everyone to deal with it! Personal issues have been around since the dawn of time and are not going away.

But lets face it, the willing get over it and move on even if they are maladjusted and self loathing, the rest don't!

Is this a tragedy, YES! Should parents moniter there kids more in the information age, YES!

But does it change the fact that even with out computers, or clinical diagnosis people will do stupid things like this, NO!

I've known several suicides in my life. People who've had it both better and worse than me, and you know what, I don't feel bad.

Yes it can be prevented and a failure to do so is the real tragedy.

But to the idividuals who don't have the sense or courage to face whatever tomorrow has to offer, well hell, get out of the way of those of us who are willing to face the bleak and reap the rewards that tomorrow has to offer!

This may be cold, but you can't deny it's truth. And for whoever wants to say "well you don't know..." , I welcome you to come here sit down and listen to what I actualy do know. Alot of days for alot of reasons I didn't wanna wake up, but in the end I did anyway!
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Postby schizophrenica » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:52 pm

DesalationReborn wrote:
Gutter Bunny wrote:
DesalationReborn wrote:They killed themselves. Anyone who kills themselves deserves to die in the same way anyone who puts their fingers in an electrical outlet deserves to get shocked. They simply have requested it.

Besides the effects of causality, that's all the 'deserves' anyone ever has.


And that i would agree with.

However, saying you deserve to die because it was your desire is different than saying you deserve to die because you are weak.


I think the line being drawn was that anyone who is weak enough to kill themselves for such minute reasons is pretty much destined to die and shouldn't be given much pity, not so much that the individual poster is inclined to kill them themselves. A bit of a "good-riddence" send off, yes, but I personally can't much stand pity myself.


Like I said earlier depression is a very real disease and must be treated like a real disease. I can understand you having no pity for people who commit suicide, but then again you and pretty much everyone here doesn't suffer from depression. One of the effects of depression is that it takes away the ability of the victim to think rationally. And this girl is only 13 the line of rationality must have been pretty blur. Depression victims will snap at things that for us are just something thats normal.
As for the person that said he/she had depression as well and didn't pity this girl you must keep in mind that there are different stages of depression.

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Postby Nemesis Cyberplex » Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:00 pm

Moonbase2 wrote:This was a 13 year old child. Children don't fully comprehend the consequences of their actions. She had mental problems and wasn't properly monitored. She did NOT deserve to die. Wasn't like she was some 45 year old crackhead bum that sh*tted his life away.
She apparently thought differently.

Honestly, though, intellectual full grown adults in their right mind don't always fully comprehend the consequences of their actions, so that's hardly an excuse.

Suicide is never a way out. It dosen't do anything to better your own situation & really only ends up hurting people you care about. It is a very selfish act & shouldn't be pitied.
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Postby DesalationReborn » Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:42 pm

schizophrenica wrote:
DesalationReborn wrote:
Gutter Bunny wrote:
DesalationReborn wrote:They killed themselves. Anyone who kills themselves deserves to die in the same way anyone who puts their fingers in an electrical outlet deserves to get shocked. They simply have requested it.

Besides the effects of causality, that's all the 'deserves' anyone ever has.


And that i would agree with.

However, saying you deserve to die because it was your desire is different than saying you deserve to die because you are weak.


I think the line being drawn was that anyone who is weak enough to kill themselves for such minute reasons is pretty much destined to die and shouldn't be given much pity, not so much that the individual poster is inclined to kill them themselves. A bit of a "good-riddence" send off, yes, but I personally can't much stand pity myself.


Like I said earlier depression is a very real disease and must be treated like a real disease. I can understand you having no pity for people who commit suicide, but then again you and pretty much everyone here doesn't suffer from depression. One of the effects of depression is that it takes away the ability of the victim to think rationally. And this girl is only 13 the line of rationality must have been pretty blur. Depression victims will snap at things that for us are just something thats normal.
As for the person that said he/she had depression as well and didn't pity this girl you must keep in mind that there are different stages of depression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_depression


Oh, I've been told I probably have atypical depression-- just never been officially diagnosed. The key virtue I've learned is the ability to wait, in this case for either conditions or perspective to improve. As well, I strive to never pity. It's an emotion that never accomplishes anything and only gets one emotionally exhausted. I can empathize, but I try never to sympathize.

I am not adverse to committing suicide-- I'm actually open to it if by the time I'm nearing the end of my natural life the only purpose I seem to have left is the preservation of life, ie. when I grow too old to actually do anything of intrest, which is going to be very old. But anyone who does so won't get my tears. They decided they wanted to die. Good for them-- they took control of their life. Not necessarily what I would have chosen, but they're the ones who bear the repercussions of such.

If anything, I can sympathize with the people who have to deal with the sudden shock. Not at least giving fare warning is inconsiderate. I plan to advertise any such plans of mine.
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Postby schizophrenica » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:42 am

I see your point, and I never said that I sympathized with suicidal people. I just said it was not fair to call her stupid over a medical condition.
You're talking about euthanasia right? Is it still legal nowadays?
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Re: 13 Year Old Girl Killed Herself Over Online Hoax!

Postby Autobot032 » Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:03 am

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Teen distraught at end of MySpace relationship; neighbor family created ID

DARDENNE PRAIRIE, Mo. - Megan Meier thought she had made a new friend in cyberspace when a cute teenage boy named Josh contacted her on MySpace and began exchanging messages with her.

Megan, a 13-year-old who suffered from depression and attention deficit disorder, corresponded with Josh for more than a month before he abruptly ended their friendship, telling her he had heard she was cruel.

The next day Megan committed suicide. Her family learned later that Josh never actually existed; he was created by members of a neighborhood family that included a former friend of Megan's.


Scum of the earth. Knowing her weaknesses, and exploiting them.

Now Megan's parents hope the people who made the fraudulent profile on the social networking Web site will be prosecuted, and they are seeking legal changes to safeguard children on the Internet.

The girl's mother, Tina Meier, said she doesn't think anyone involved intended for her daughter to kill herself.


Really? How would you know? You obviously weren't doing your job. She's your child! She didn't ask to be born and suffer all through her days, YOU brought that on her! YOU!

However, I do agree that the family responsible for the hoax should be held responsible. 100%

‘Absolutely vile’
"But when adults are involved and continue to screw with a 13-year-old, with or without mental problems, it is absolutely vile," she told the Suburban Journals of Greater St. Louis, which first reported on the case.

Tina Meier said law enforcement officials told her the case did not fit into any law. But sheriff's officials have not closed the case and pledged to consider new evidence if it emerges.


Doesn't fit into any law?? There are commercials on the radio all the time that say "Put an end to cyber bullying. Report it to the Cyber bullying tip line because it's illegal. If you wouldn't say it in person, don't say it online."

If I remember correctly, Bush passed a law pertaining to this, and I'd think that this falls under that heading.

Megan Meier hanged herself in her bedroom on Oct. 16, 2006, and died the next day. She was described as a "bubbly, goofy" girl who loved spending time with her friends, watching movies and fishing with her dad.


May she find the peace that she never had here. God rest her soul.

Megan had been on medication, but had been upbeat before her death, her mother said, after striking up a relationship on MySpace with Josh Evans about six weeks before her death.

Josh told her he was born in Florida and had recently moved to the nearby community of O'Fallon. He said he was homeschooled, and didn't yet have a phone number in the area to give her.

Megan's parents said she received a message from him on Oct. 15 of last year, essentially saying he didn't want to be her friend anymore, that he had heard she wasn't nice to her friends.


Far too intricate just to destroy someone. That shows you to what depths these people are capable of, and how much remorse they won't have. They knew from the getgo that she had mental problems. This whole thing reminds me of Khan's statement to Kirk in "The Wrath Of Khan": "I've done worse than kill you. I've hurt you." Unfortunately, this time...their plan succeeded in both. Pretty evil if you ask me.

Megan seemed upset
The next day, as Megan's mother headed out the door to take another daughter to the orthodontist, she knew Megan was upset about Internet messages. She asked Megan to log off. Users on MySpace must be at least 14, though Megan was not when she opened her account. A MySpace spokeswoman did not return calls seeking comment.


Mommy and Daddy made a terrible mistake. MySpace is to blame as well, because they need to *require* identification. Besides, if more people had to jump through hoops just to sign up, it'd thin out the herd of idiots in a heartbeat. And if they're pricks and still sign up, at least you have all the important information to give to the authorities when a dick move like this one is pulled.

Someone using Josh's account was sending cruel messages. Then, Megan called her mother, saying electronic bulletins were being posted about her, saying things like, "Megan Meier is a [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.]. Megan Meier is fat."

Megan's mother, who monitored her daughter's online communications, returned home and said she was shocked at the vulgar language her own daughter was sending. She told her daughter how upset she was about it.

Megan ran upstairs, and her father, Ron, tried to tell her everything would be fine. About 20 minutes later, she was found in her bedroom. She died the next day.


Sounds to me like the parents grew tired of her constant mental struggles and attributed it to being just a teenager or something equally lame and stupid. Knowing that her daughter has serious mental problems, and that someone is torturing her...yelling at her about the language could've waited until a more appropriate time. Not to mention, she was literally mentally unbalanced and she's online...of course she's going to use foul language! It was your job to keep her from it!

Her father said he found a message the next day from Josh, which he said law enforcement authorities have not been able to retrieve. It told the girl she was a bad person and the world would be better without her, he has said.


Oh, so they *DID* tell her to kill herself after torturing her some more? That right there should be an instant "Book 'em Danno."

Another parent, who learned of the MySpace account from her own daughter who had access to the Josh profile, told Megan's parents about the hoax in a counselor's office about six weeks after Megan died. That's when they learned Josh was imaginary, they said.


Things that needed to be known BEFORE SHE FRIGGIN' KILLED HERSELF!

Creator of fake account not charged
The woman who created the fake profile has not been charged with a crime. She allegedly told the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department she created Josh's profile because she wanted to gain Megan's confidence to know what Megan was saying about her own child online.


I have high doubts that your child is innocent, and I'm sure whatever this girl said about your kid...was well deserved. I've heard it said that you lose something in the next generation. So, if that's true and you're obviously a scum, what does that say for your child that you wish to proclaim as an angel? Probably end up a serial killer. You set up a hoax in which a kid killed herself, is it so hard to believe that your little angel could be anything like you? (and most likely a lot worse.)

The mother from down the street told police that she, her daughter and another person all typed and monitored the communication between the fictitious boy and Megan.

A person who answered the door at the family's house told an Associated Press reporter on Friday afternoon that they had been advised not to comment.


So, you admit you were not only the creator of the hoax, but you allowed your daughter and a friend to help you destroy this girl from the inside out? WHY WERE YOU ALLOWED TO PROCREATE?

Megan's parents had been storing a foosball table for the family that created the MySpace character. Six weeks after Megan's death, they learned the other family had created the profile and responded by destroying the foosball table, dumping it on the neighbors' driveway and encouraging them to move away.


That's pretty sick. You stab your own friends in the back to the point that their child dies? Moving encouragement and a broken Foosball table should be the least of your concerns. Disgusting pigs.

Megan's parents are now separated and plan to divorce.


If anything, they need each other now, more than ever. What a sad twist to an already horrible case.

Aldermen in Dardenne Prairie, a community of about 7,000 residents about 35 miles from St. Louis, have proposed a new ordinance related to child endangerment and Internet harassment. It could come before city leaders on Wednesday.

"Is this enough?" Mayor Pam Fogarty said Friday. "No, not by any stretch of the imagination, but it's something, and you have to start somewhere."


It better pass. And I hope you're right...I hope it starts something bigger and better and actually does the right thing. PROTECT PEOPLE.


Depression is a debilitating hold on your life, I should know, I face it everyday, and when I was her age, I wanted to kill myself too. Thankfully I didn't, and I'm glad that God got me through this, but I also see the girl's pain and torture and how no one was there when all she needed was someone to listen and let her cry it out. No one understood (or was willing to take the time and try to) and she couldn't take it anymore, so she killed herself to end the pain.

She was 14 years old. She only knows what others have taught her, and apparently they didn't teach her that she was important enough as a person.

If this doesn't get to you, at all, you must be an inhuman machine. It doesn't matter if it was MySpace. It doesn't matter if you think she was a coward (she wasn't, how dare you!) A person died here and she didn't have to.

...she just didn't have to. Can't any of you find enough warmth in your cold, blackened, metallic hearts and feel at least pity for her?

No one cared for her in life, couldn't we at least show some care now?

And normally I'd say to punish the parents for their hand in this, but you know what? They're already in prison.

1.) They lost their child. "No one should ever have to bury their own child." (Stargate) You don't ever get over that. You maybe get on with life, but you don't get over it.

2.) They're divorcing. So not only must they deal with their lost child, but now their entire life together is being flushed down the toilet.

3.) I think somewhere, deep down...both of them are thinking "I could've done more. I wasn't there for her."

The prison of the mind can actually do more damage than steel and concrete walls. Sooner or later, the cell opens and the person's released. And no, I don't think of Prison as a walk in the park. Not by any means. But the mind? The mind never leaves the person and it carries all of those horrific memories 'til their dying day.

That's a punishment that isn't taken lightly.

Let them suffer as is, don't add insult to injury.
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Postby Southern Slimmy » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:44 am

bullying in any sense is morally wrong. & this here, was another classic example of bullying, in the online sense. For the mother of this "former friend" of this young girl, she needs to be knocked into next week. How could she condone her child sitting there & screwing with someone like that? She was basically encouraging BULLYING. We as parents are supposed to stop that. (I'm a mother of 3) If my child ever bullied anyone in person or online, well, I'd kick her butt. I was bullied as a kid & it a bit worse when something happened to me & of course, it getting around. But whatever as far as that goes. Bottom line is, i agree, someone died who shouldn't have. & these full grown adults should get SOMETHING for condoning/helping in bullying this young girl. There are many trials & tribulations we must go through as a teen & many of us can say & agree that we know its hard enough as it is. So why should parents make it worse? Geez, maybe when my daughter is a teen & she gets mad at a friend maybe we should create a fake myspace account so she feels better. That so called parent should have known better in encouraging this bullying crap. Monitor your kids online, DON'T sit there & try to play "friend" to your child in instances where they need a parent more. The guilt will eat them up...maybe, they don't sound like they'd give a flying rats ass either way from this article. As far as myspace itself goes, I hope they do something, because its WAY to easy to create a fake profile.

Furthermore, I have my own personal myspace page & I enjoy it. I have friends from where I lived in Idaho that I keep in touch with that way. But I know this much, if its still around by the time my daughter is of that age & wants an account, all I can say is TOUGH CRAP! She aint getting one nor will she have a computer in her room. This 13 year old, didn't deserve to die. She had her whole life ahead of her to live. Its a sad sad situation.
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Postby DesalationReborn » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:46 am

I think you two are coming in a bit late.
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Postby Highbeam » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:49 am

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Postby Dagon » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:56 am

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I admit I have nothing to add to this, but while reading this thread a question came to me. Why do we use the tragedy of others to puff up our chests about our own tragedies? Like this girl suffered from depression and half a dozen posts in here are all about how person X's depression is worse than yours. I'm not judging, honestly, I'm just sparked to curiosity. When my dad died a few years back and I finally went back to work damn near to every one of my co workers felt it necessary to regale me with thier stories of personal loss. People don't even do that to make you feel like you're not going though something tough alone, they are only doing it make themselves feel better.

To Nightraid and Shadow and Desolation: honest, honest to goodness I'm not like jumping into the pissing match, I'm just posting an observation. It doesn't matter really: this is probably one of those posts Bishop was refering to in the spamming thread. I was just curious.
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Postby DesalationReborn » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:44 am

Dagon wrote:I admit I have nothing to add to this, but while reading this thread a question came to me. Why do we use the tragedy of others to puff up our chests about our own tragedies? Like this girl suffered from depression and half a dozen posts in here are all about how person X's depression is worse than yours. I'm not judging, honestly, I'm just sparked to curiosity. When my dad died a few years back and I finally went back to work damn near to every one of my co workers felt it necessary to regale me with thier stories of personal loss. People don't even do that to make you feel like you're not going though something tough alone, they are only doing it make themselves feel better.

To Nightraid and Shadow and Desolation: honest, honest to goodness I'm not like jumping into the pissing match, I'm just posting an observation. It doesn't matter really: this is probably one of those posts Bishop was refering to in the spamming thread. I was just curious.


I don't really get your point. He was arguing that I can't judge because I haven't experienced depression, and I told him he is mistaken-- I have. I'm not asking for any handouts. As I have said, I rather dislike pity.
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Postby Dagon » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:30 pm

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Dagon wrote:I admit I have nothing to add to this, but while reading this thread a question came to me. Why do we use the tragedy of others to puff up our chests about our own tragedies? Like this girl suffered from depression and half a dozen posts in here are all about how person X's depression is worse than yours. I'm not judging, honestly, I'm just sparked to curiosity. When my dad died a few years back and I finally went back to work damn near to every one of my co workers felt it necessary to regale me with thier stories of personal loss. People don't even do that to make you feel like you're not going though something tough alone, they are only doing it make themselves feel better.

To Nightraid and Shadow and Desolation: honest, honest to goodness I'm not like jumping into the pissing match, I'm just posting an observation. It doesn't matter really: this is probably one of those posts Bishop was refering to in the spamming thread. I was just curious.


I don't really get your point. He was arguing that I can't judge because I haven't experienced depression, and I told him he is mistaken-- I have. I'm not asking for any handouts. As I have said, I rather dislike pity.


Well, that sort of was my point, even though I didn't make it real well. People always try to say "oh, you don't know what it's like" when we really have no idea what the person next to us has or has not gone through. Someone said that you have no frame of reference or experience and you do, but everyone just assumes that their experience has been the worst of all possible experiences because we tend to use the tragedy of others to make ourselves get over our tragedies, ironically enough because that was my experience.

As for pity, I wasn't offering any, or insinuating that anyone at all was looking for any, so sorry if that was a bone of contention.

And I only named you three because it seemed like you guys were getting a real conversation going and I didn't want to come across as being ignorant or inflammatory. Apologies again.
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Re: 13 Year Old Girl Killed Herself Over Online Hoax!

Postby Shadowman » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:23 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:Doesn't fit into any law?? There are commercials on the radio all the time that say "Put an end to cyber bullying. Report it to the Cyber bullying tip line because it's illegal. If you wouldn't say it in person, don't say it online."


No, there really aren't. And it's not something that should be federally controlled. It's up to the site administration to work that kind of thing out. Aside from which, the internet is the last place on Earth with 100% Free Speech, please don't turn it into a George Orwell novel.
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Postby Just Negare » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:26 pm

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Moonbase2 wrote:Children shouldn't be allowed to have computers in their bedrooms. When I was a teenager our computer was located in our living room, and chat rooms were forbidden (not what happened in this case, but good parenting nonetheless!). My parents were pretty good about monitering what I did online.


Damn, when I was a teenager I wasn't even allowed a TV in my room!!

Anyway, end of the day, the child obviously had some huge mental issues and people who don't suffer or know people who suffer depression don't tend to get the seriousness of how quickly and how deeply these people can go down. All it needs is someone or some event to just drop the straw on the camel's back, as it were.

Regardless, what gets me over and over with cases like this, is, how many damn Ophra shows do we need before peopel start noticing the symptoms of depression and start intervening to get their loved ones help? For Primus' sake, that's why "compulosry treatment orders" were invented. Sure, they may hate you for a good lot of their life but at least they'll be alive to hate you!

But a lot of the blame should be placed squarely on the parents' shoulders, given their the ones who didn't seem to care where their kid was on the net or notice that depression was kicking into to sucide levels!

Oh, and those bullies were bastardss - there was a case in NZL not long back of the same kind of thing, thankfully no one got killed over it.
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Postby Nemesis Cyberplex » Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:53 pm

Dagon wrote:I admit I have nothing to add to this, but while reading this thread a question came to me. Why do we use the tragedy of others to puff up our chests about our own tragedies? Like this girl suffered from depression and half a dozen posts in here are all about how person X's depression is worse than yours. I'm not judging, honestly, I'm just sparked to curiosity. When my dad died a few years back and I finally went back to work damn near to every one of my co workers felt it necessary to regale me with thier stories of personal loss. People don't even do that to make you feel like you're not going though something tough alone, they are only doing it make themselves feel better.

To Nightraid and Shadow and Desolation: honest, honest to goodness I'm not like jumping into the pissing match, I'm just posting an observation. It doesn't matter really: this is probably one of those posts Bishop was refering to in the spamming thread. I was just curious.
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Postby MaximalSyn » Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:15 am

Even though there are a LOT of fake people on myspace, maybe even make up about 60% or so of the population. But there are a handful of people who are really there to keep in touch with friends.

I myself found an old friend from elementary school online. Her family moved to the Northern States when her mother married. I haven't spoken to her since 3rd grade. I then typed in her last known address up north and she was the only one who came up in the search. Since i also moved away for college, i keep in touch with friends from home. Sadly, that is not the case for everyone on MySpace.[/b]
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Postby Jeysie » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:25 am

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Poohy Ol' Negare wrote:Regardless, what gets me over and over with cases like this, is, how many damn Ophra shows do we need before peopel start noticing the symptoms of depression and start intervening to get their loved ones help? For Primus' sake, that's why "compulosry treatment orders" were invented. Sure, they may hate you for a good lot of their life but at least they'll be alive to hate you!

But a lot of the blame should be placed squarely on the parents' shoulders, given their the ones who didn't seem to care where their kid was on the net or notice that depression was kicking into to sucide levels!


Because in all fairness, it can be hard to tell if someone is dangerously depressed until it gets really bad, *especially* if said person is a teenager. Teenagers tend to have mood swings and quirky behavior to begin with, and they also tend to hide things from their parents. It's even harder if the kid is already naturally someone who's shy and keeps to themselves a lot.

My mom was a good parent who tried to keep tabs on me, but she had to work to pay the bills, she's not at all tech-saavy, and I had my own set of friends that I hung out with and preferred to tell my problems to. As a result, my mom didn't really have a chance to see how depressed I was until it got to the point where it disrupted my life so much I couldn't hide it any more, upon which she promptly got me some treatment. (Which didn't help anyway, TBH. It took other life events to pull me back up to a functional level, at least.)

And she still doesn't know how many times I considered suicide. If I wasn't more afraid of dying than of living, I wouldn't be here right now.

So all I can say is, being depressed and/or commiting suicide doesn't necessarily make you weak, and not noticing exactly how badly depressed someone is doesn't necessarily make you a bad parent/friend. It's a *lot* more complex than that, especially when it involves a young person.
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