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Night Raid wrote:Gutter Bunny wrote:Night Raid wrote:If she's that weak, she deserves to die!
Congratulations. I think that is officially the most ignorant post i have ever read on here.
You'd be surprised what I know, and what I lived through. So unless you'd like to compare 'battle scars', I'd say let's just leave it at that.
Gutter Bunny wrote:Night Raid wrote:Gutter Bunny wrote:Night Raid wrote:If she's that weak, she deserves to die!
Congratulations. I think that is officially the most ignorant post i have ever read on here.
You'd be surprised what I know, and what I lived through. So unless you'd like to compare 'battle scars', I'd say let's just leave it at that.
yes, yes. Everybody has their "battle scars" as you put it. I am not going to get into an online pissing contest over who has had a harder life. But i am curious as to how you can justify a seemingly innocent person "deserving to die"
and for the recrod i am using the term innocent in regards to having not commited any ill act that would warrent capital punishment or the like. Perhaps you just feel that socially awkward merits punishment.
DesalationReborn wrote:They killed themselves. Anyone who kills themselves deserves to die in the same way anyone who puts their fingers in an electrical outlet deserves to get shocked. They simply have requested it.
Besides the effects of causality, that's all the 'deserves' anyone ever has.
Gutter Bunny wrote:DesalationReborn wrote:They killed themselves. Anyone who kills themselves deserves to die in the same way anyone who puts their fingers in an electrical outlet deserves to get shocked. They simply have requested it.
Besides the effects of causality, that's all the 'deserves' anyone ever has.
And that i would agree with.
However, saying you deserve to die because it was your desire is different than saying you deserve to die because you are weak.
DesalationReborn wrote:Gutter Bunny wrote:DesalationReborn wrote:They killed themselves. Anyone who kills themselves deserves to die in the same way anyone who puts their fingers in an electrical outlet deserves to get shocked. They simply have requested it.
Besides the effects of causality, that's all the 'deserves' anyone ever has.
And that i would agree with.
However, saying you deserve to die because it was your desire is different than saying you deserve to die because you are weak.
I think the line being drawn was that anyone who is weak enough to kill themselves for such minute reasons is pretty much destined to die and shouldn't be given much pity, not so much that the individual poster is inclined to kill them themselves. A bit of a "good-riddence" send off, yes, but I personally can't much stand pity myself.
The Mad Asshatter wrote:A little chlorine in the gene pool?
It's still sad though...
DesalationReborn wrote:Gutter Bunny wrote:DesalationReborn wrote:They killed themselves. Anyone who kills themselves deserves to die in the same way anyone who puts their fingers in an electrical outlet deserves to get shocked. They simply have requested it.
Besides the effects of causality, that's all the 'deserves' anyone ever has.
And that i would agree with.
However, saying you deserve to die because it was your desire is different than saying you deserve to die because you are weak.
I think the line being drawn was that anyone who is weak enough to kill themselves for such minute reasons is pretty much destined to die and shouldn't be given much pity, not so much that the individual poster is inclined to kill them themselves. A bit of a "good-riddence" send off, yes, but I personally can't much stand pity myself.
She apparently thought differently.Moonbase2 wrote:This was a 13 year old child. Children don't fully comprehend the consequences of their actions. She had mental problems and wasn't properly monitored. She did NOT deserve to die. Wasn't like she was some 45 year old crackhead bum that sh*tted his life away.
schizophrenica wrote:DesalationReborn wrote:Gutter Bunny wrote:DesalationReborn wrote:They killed themselves. Anyone who kills themselves deserves to die in the same way anyone who puts their fingers in an electrical outlet deserves to get shocked. They simply have requested it.
Besides the effects of causality, that's all the 'deserves' anyone ever has.
And that i would agree with.
However, saying you deserve to die because it was your desire is different than saying you deserve to die because you are weak.
I think the line being drawn was that anyone who is weak enough to kill themselves for such minute reasons is pretty much destined to die and shouldn't be given much pity, not so much that the individual poster is inclined to kill them themselves. A bit of a "good-riddence" send off, yes, but I personally can't much stand pity myself.
Like I said earlier depression is a very real disease and must be treated like a real disease. I can understand you having no pity for people who commit suicide, but then again you and pretty much everyone here doesn't suffer from depression. One of the effects of depression is that it takes away the ability of the victim to think rationally. And this girl is only 13 the line of rationality must have been pretty blur. Depression victims will snap at things that for us are just something thats normal.
As for the person that said he/she had depression as well and didn't pity this girl you must keep in mind that there are different stages of depression.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_depression
Teen distraught at end of MySpace relationship; neighbor family created ID
DARDENNE PRAIRIE, Mo. - Megan Meier thought she had made a new friend in cyberspace when a cute teenage boy named Josh contacted her on MySpace and began exchanging messages with her.
Megan, a 13-year-old who suffered from depression and attention deficit disorder, corresponded with Josh for more than a month before he abruptly ended their friendship, telling her he had heard she was cruel.
The next day Megan committed suicide. Her family learned later that Josh never actually existed; he was created by members of a neighborhood family that included a former friend of Megan's.
Now Megan's parents hope the people who made the fraudulent profile on the social networking Web site will be prosecuted, and they are seeking legal changes to safeguard children on the Internet.
The girl's mother, Tina Meier, said she doesn't think anyone involved intended for her daughter to kill herself.
‘Absolutely vile’
"But when adults are involved and continue to screw with a 13-year-old, with or without mental problems, it is absolutely vile," she told the Suburban Journals of Greater St. Louis, which first reported on the case.
Tina Meier said law enforcement officials told her the case did not fit into any law. But sheriff's officials have not closed the case and pledged to consider new evidence if it emerges.
Megan Meier hanged herself in her bedroom on Oct. 16, 2006, and died the next day. She was described as a "bubbly, goofy" girl who loved spending time with her friends, watching movies and fishing with her dad.
Megan had been on medication, but had been upbeat before her death, her mother said, after striking up a relationship on MySpace with Josh Evans about six weeks before her death.
Josh told her he was born in Florida and had recently moved to the nearby community of O'Fallon. He said he was homeschooled, and didn't yet have a phone number in the area to give her.
Megan's parents said she received a message from him on Oct. 15 of last year, essentially saying he didn't want to be her friend anymore, that he had heard she wasn't nice to her friends.
Megan seemed upset
The next day, as Megan's mother headed out the door to take another daughter to the orthodontist, she knew Megan was upset about Internet messages. She asked Megan to log off. Users on MySpace must be at least 14, though Megan was not when she opened her account. A MySpace spokeswoman did not return calls seeking comment.
Someone using Josh's account was sending cruel messages. Then, Megan called her mother, saying electronic bulletins were being posted about her, saying things like, "Megan Meier is a [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.]. Megan Meier is fat."
Megan's mother, who monitored her daughter's online communications, returned home and said she was shocked at the vulgar language her own daughter was sending. She told her daughter how upset she was about it.
Megan ran upstairs, and her father, Ron, tried to tell her everything would be fine. About 20 minutes later, she was found in her bedroom. She died the next day.
Her father said he found a message the next day from Josh, which he said law enforcement authorities have not been able to retrieve. It told the girl she was a bad person and the world would be better without her, he has said.
Another parent, who learned of the MySpace account from her own daughter who had access to the Josh profile, told Megan's parents about the hoax in a counselor's office about six weeks after Megan died. That's when they learned Josh was imaginary, they said.
Creator of fake account not charged
The woman who created the fake profile has not been charged with a crime. She allegedly told the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department she created Josh's profile because she wanted to gain Megan's confidence to know what Megan was saying about her own child online.
The mother from down the street told police that she, her daughter and another person all typed and monitored the communication between the fictitious boy and Megan.
A person who answered the door at the family's house told an Associated Press reporter on Friday afternoon that they had been advised not to comment.
Megan's parents had been storing a foosball table for the family that created the MySpace character. Six weeks after Megan's death, they learned the other family had created the profile and responded by destroying the foosball table, dumping it on the neighbors' driveway and encouraging them to move away.
Megan's parents are now separated and plan to divorce.
Aldermen in Dardenne Prairie, a community of about 7,000 residents about 35 miles from St. Louis, have proposed a new ordinance related to child endangerment and Internet harassment. It could come before city leaders on Wednesday.
"Is this enough?" Mayor Pam Fogarty said Friday. "No, not by any stretch of the imagination, but it's something, and you have to start somewhere."
Cybertron Optimus wrote:This sort of thing sickens me. MySpace should be wiped from the face of the earth.
Saber Prime wrote:Sabrblade wrote:
- 24. ~S.U.V. - Society of Ultimate Villainy*
~ And all this time I thought S.U.V. stood for Sports Utillity Vehicle.
Dagon wrote:I admit I have nothing to add to this, but while reading this thread a question came to me. Why do we use the tragedy of others to puff up our chests about our own tragedies? Like this girl suffered from depression and half a dozen posts in here are all about how person X's depression is worse than yours. I'm not judging, honestly, I'm just sparked to curiosity. When my dad died a few years back and I finally went back to work damn near to every one of my co workers felt it necessary to regale me with thier stories of personal loss. People don't even do that to make you feel like you're not going though something tough alone, they are only doing it make themselves feel better.
To Nightraid and Shadow and Desolation: honest, honest to goodness I'm not like jumping into the pissing match, I'm just posting an observation. It doesn't matter really: this is probably one of those posts Bishop was refering to in the spamming thread. I was just curious.
DesalationReborn wrote:Dagon wrote:I admit I have nothing to add to this, but while reading this thread a question came to me. Why do we use the tragedy of others to puff up our chests about our own tragedies? Like this girl suffered from depression and half a dozen posts in here are all about how person X's depression is worse than yours. I'm not judging, honestly, I'm just sparked to curiosity. When my dad died a few years back and I finally went back to work damn near to every one of my co workers felt it necessary to regale me with thier stories of personal loss. People don't even do that to make you feel like you're not going though something tough alone, they are only doing it make themselves feel better.
To Nightraid and Shadow and Desolation: honest, honest to goodness I'm not like jumping into the pissing match, I'm just posting an observation. It doesn't matter really: this is probably one of those posts Bishop was refering to in the spamming thread. I was just curious.
I don't really get your point. He was arguing that I can't judge because I haven't experienced depression, and I told him he is mistaken-- I have. I'm not asking for any handouts. As I have said, I rather dislike pity.
Autobot032 wrote:Doesn't fit into any law?? There are commercials on the radio all the time that say "Put an end to cyber bullying. Report it to the Cyber bullying tip line because it's illegal. If you wouldn't say it in person, don't say it online."
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Moonbase2 wrote:Children shouldn't be allowed to have computers in their bedrooms. When I was a teenager our computer was located in our living room, and chat rooms were forbidden (not what happened in this case, but good parenting nonetheless!). My parents were pretty good about monitering what I did online.
Well, you know what they say....Misery loves company.Dagon wrote:I admit I have nothing to add to this, but while reading this thread a question came to me. Why do we use the tragedy of others to puff up our chests about our own tragedies? Like this girl suffered from depression and half a dozen posts in here are all about how person X's depression is worse than yours. I'm not judging, honestly, I'm just sparked to curiosity. When my dad died a few years back and I finally went back to work damn near to every one of my co workers felt it necessary to regale me with thier stories of personal loss. People don't even do that to make you feel like you're not going though something tough alone, they are only doing it make themselves feel better.
To Nightraid and Shadow and Desolation: honest, honest to goodness I'm not like jumping into the pissing match, I'm just posting an observation. It doesn't matter really: this is probably one of those posts Bishop was refering to in the spamming thread. I was just curious.
Poohy Ol' Negare wrote:Regardless, what gets me over and over with cases like this, is, how many damn Ophra shows do we need before peopel start noticing the symptoms of depression and start intervening to get their loved ones help? For Primus' sake, that's why "compulosry treatment orders" were invented. Sure, they may hate you for a good lot of their life but at least they'll be alive to hate you!
But a lot of the blame should be placed squarely on the parents' shoulders, given their the ones who didn't seem to care where their kid was on the net or notice that depression was kicking into to sucide levels!
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