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What a stupid kid.

The real question is, when will people stop being cowards and realize that life is what you make it?


Feeling depressed? Get off your @ss and meet some friends and have fun. Don't like your job? Get a new one. Been lied to? SO WHAT? It might hurt you but it's BS to kill yourself because you are told you're cruel. I get told on a daily basis that I can be a b*tch and I smile and nod (okay, its different because it's my friends who say it, not some random stranger).

People can talk all they want but until they actually KNOW you personally, you shouldn't worry about it. That's just a waste of time.

Actually, I have a good example.

Since I was younger, my self esteem had been crap. When I was in high school, I had only a handful of friends because I was very shy. This girl thought I was ugly so one day she was in the class across from mine. I was standing in the hall across from her and she was standing in the doorway of her classroom. She looked at me and mumbled "ugly" and proceeded to call her friend over. Her friend walked over and she said "she's so ugly" to her and her friend just looked and then jerked herself out of view when I looked at them.

Anyways, to make a long story short, I found this girl on Facebook and the b*tch is uglier than she was in HS and is probably upset that now, me>>>>>>>>>her.

Moral of this story, I didn't like the way I looked so I changed it and life is wonderful.

*Elita_One* wrote:What a stupid kid.

Harsh, and not necessarily true. You can be very intelligent and still be depressed enough to commit suicide.

*Elita_One* wrote:The real question is, when will people stop being cowards and realize that life is what you make it?

Too bad the real world isn't that easy. You can do everything right and still get screwed over by what other people do to you or take from you. It's even harder when you're a teenager, and your opportunities and control of your life are both very limited.

*Elita_One* wrote:Feeling depressed? Get off your @ss and meet some friends and have fun.

Assuming you're lucky enough to live in a place where it's easy to meet people and you're the sort of person that would be popular and easily find like-minded people to hang out with.

I know I've had a nonexistent offline social life for years because the public transportation around here is very limited (and I've never been able to land a job that paid me enough to own a car) and there's very few geeky people around here anyway. (I can put up with being the "resident geek" that everyone thinks is weird while in the office, but not fitting in with my friends is something I've gotten tired of over the years.)

*Elita_One* wrote:Don't like your job? Get a new one.

Again, easier said than done. Especially in the current slump job market where you often have to just take whoever will hire you and give you the means to pay your bills. It's an even bigger problem if your skills are lacking and you can't afford to pay for classes.

*Elita_One* wrote:Been lied to? SO WHAT? It might hurt you but it's BS to kill yourself because you are told you're cruel.

Because if you're a teenager who is unpopular and/or bullied, finding out that one of the few people you thought was a friend that you could trust and wouldn't hurt you is actually a liar who hates you just like almost everyone else is *extremely* painful. An adult might be able to weather it, but when you're a teenager the need to be social and fit in with everyone else is usually a very strong one. The only way I got through it myself without getting completely crushed was by learning not to trust anyone to begin with and assuming that anyone offering friendship was a liar who'd eventually hurt me (which isn't exactly a healthy mindset either, and it hurts my current friendships sometimes).

*Elita_One* wrote:People can talk all they want but until they actually KNOW you personally, you shouldn't worry about it. That's just a waste of time.

It's possible to finally reach that mindset when you're an adult who's gained enough maturity to look at things more pragmatically. But when you're a teenager? Not easy/likely. I know it took me into my early twenties before I could finally look at things that way.

Well, I have to jump on the band wagon with the "Depression is a potentially Terminal Illness" people, having dealt with it myself and having known people that have attempted and succeeded at suicide.

That said, I don't feel that the internet is really a relevant component in this story, at least, no to the extent that we can say 'OMG, the internet is evil! Why don't parents watch their kids more closely?! Why don't these kids get out in to the real world more?!'

For one thing, I'm sure more suicides are motivated each year by offline events than online events.

Secondly, going by what the article said, her parents were keeping close tabs on her online activity. They knew about Josh in the same way that they would know about an off-line boyfriend, and probably assumed they'd meet him soon when the girl's next formal came around. They also rushed home when they found out that Josh was verbally abusing her, and aparently barged into her room soon enough to get her to the hospital still alive. They don't sound very negligent to me.

Finally, this story has been told before without the internet - attractive guy woos unpopular geeky girl and then dumps/humiliates unpopular geeky girl for shits and giggles, guy legally gets away with it b/c there is no law against emotionally manipulating someone. Sound familiar? It should sound hackneyed. The only real twist here was that, via the internet, a middle aged woman and her family was able to fake being the attractive asshole guy.

I'm surprised my sister didn't mention this to me over break. Her family goes to church in Dardennes Prairie.

I'm absolutely disgusted by the people who would tear this girl apart for being *MENTALLY ILL*.

How harsh and cruel some of you can be... *shakes head*

Obviously the community is more humane about this...they've posted the family's information (address, names, pictures) all over the internet and opened blogs and websites dedicated to getting rid of these scumbags and putting a face on the killer(s).

The community is trying to push this scum of a woman and her daughter out of their piece of the world....doesn't that say anything for those of you who want so badly to mock this deceased girl? (must enjoy it or something?)

Grow a heart.

Jeysie wrote:

*Elita_One* wrote:What a stupid kid.

Harsh, and not necessarily true. You can be very intelligent and still be depressed enough to commit suicide.

An intelligent person realizes that life doesn't have to suck. They realize that they have the power to change what they don't like about life instead of being cowards and taking their own life because they're too lazy to think of a solution. Suicide is the easy way out.

There are tons of people with FAR WORSE problems and they don't go and kill themselves.

Too bad the real world isn't that easy. You can do everything right and still get screwed over by what other people do to you or take from you. It's even harder when you're a teenager, and your opportunities and control of your life are both very limited.

So what? People get screwed on a daily basis and that doesn't have to put anyone down. Life isn't always easy and you have to roll with the punches. You may not be able to change every single thing but you can sure go ahead and try. You can at least change some things or do something that makes you happy in a hard time.

Assuming you're lucky enough to live in a place where it's easy to meet people and you're the sort of person that would be popular and easily find like-minded people to hang out with.

Um, I was the shyest person on the PLANET. I couldn't even go up to a person to say hi or even lift up the phone to order a pizza. I was never popular in school because I hardly spoke to anyone, due to being severely shy. I never did anything with anyone, just went straight home after school and stayed home all weekend. Then, I got tired of being shy.

You don't have to find like-minded people to hang out with. I have very diverse friends with tons of different interests and lifestyles. Just because you're a geek doesn't mean you have to hang out with geeks. One of my friends is a gamer geek and he hangs out with us and we like him just the same and vice versa. It's more interesting to have friends from all walks of life, not just ones who are like you.

I know I've had a nonexistent offline social life for years because the public transportation around here is very limited (and I've never been able to land a job that paid me enough to own a car) and there's very few geeky people around here anyway. (I can put up with being the "resident geek" that everyone thinks is weird while in the office, but not fitting in with my friends is something I've gotten tired of over the years.)

Public transportation is just an excuse. I don't drive and I can manage to get where I need to go using a cab or walking. It's not hard.

Again, the "there's not enough geeky people for me to socialize with" is your own fault. You restrict yourself to only hanging out with other geeks and that's your problem. You need to hang out with anyone and everyone, not just a certain group of people.

Again, easier said than done. Especially in the current slump job market where you often have to just take whoever will hire you and give you the means to pay your bills. It's an even bigger problem if your skills are lacking and you can't afford to pay for classes.

Actually, we have something called JOB PLACEMENT AGENCIES. You walk in on a Friday, you have a job Monday. Yes, it is that easy.

Because if you're a teenager who is unpopular and/or bullied, finding out that one of the few people you thought was a friend that you could trust and wouldn't hurt you is actually a liar who hates you just like almost everyone else is *extremely* painful. An adult might be able to weather it, but when you're a teenager the need to be social and fit in with everyone else is usually a very strong one. The only way I got through it myself without getting completely crushed was by learning not to trust anyone to begin with and assuming that anyone offering friendship was a liar who'd eventually hurt me (which isn't exactly a healthy mindset either, and it hurts my current friendships sometimes).

I WAS IN THE SAME BOAT. I used to look much different than I do now and people always had crap to say to me. They were the "cool group" and I was the kid with MAYBE 5 friends. I had guys laughing at me if I liked them. I had the "popular girls" snickering at me whenever I was near. HS was like that for pretty much the entire time I was there and for a kid who's self esteem was already garbage befoe even entering high school, it wasn't easy but I managed.

It's possible to finally reach that mindset when you're an adult who's gained enough maturity to look at things more pragmatically. But when you're a teenager? Not easy/likely. I know it took me into my early twenties before I could finally look at things that way.

Teenagers aren't as stupid as people think. The problem is, they are fed the crap that they have to worry about fitting in and this is what leads to this kind of behaviour. My parents taught me not to care what others think because it was their opinion and other people's opinions don't have to matter.

My life wasn't bad but it wasn't picture perfect either. The point is, suicide is cowardly and parents need to sit and talk to their kids more and let them know that certain things in life are petty and they don't need to worry about stupidness like some idiot online.

I'm absolutely disgusted by the people who would tear this girl apart for being *MENTALLY ILL*.

There are MANY ways that a person can get away from depression. One of my closest friends was depressed SEVERLY twice in her life. She just came back to work after taking 7 months off because of it and she didn't go off and kill herself.

Everyone gets a different amount of depression in life. That doesn't mean they just go out and kill themselves. I have Anxiety Disorder, had it since I was 16, and when I first got it, I spent that summer vacation locked up in my house because it prevented me from going anywhere without having an attack. My dad bought me DVDs all the time so I had something to do. Do you know what it is like for a 16 year old to spend their summer vacation confined in a bed most of the time and just watching TV all day, home alone? It sucks but hey, it's almost 8 years later and I got over it because I pushed myself to get over it.

It is also a mental illness and you can't use that as an excuse to go and kill yourself and have people feel sorry for you. It's pretty depressing to not be able to do anything, especially in the summer, and I missed about 3 months of school in the beginning because I got an attack just by sitting in the classroom. I told myself I didn't want to live like that and I changed things myself. Anyone can change things, it's just a matter of getting up and doing it.

*Elita_One* wrote:An intelligent person realizes that life doesn't have to suck. They realize that they have the power to change what they don't like about life instead of being cowards and taking their own life because they're too lazy to think of a solution. Suicide is the easy way out.

Unfortunately, you don't always have the chance to change things you don't like about life, since you can't control other people or everything in life. This is especially true when you're a teenager.

If anything, I find that being intelligent lends *more* towards being depressed, since you're more aware of how many problems there are in life and how little power you have to fix many of them. I was far happier back when I was too ignorant to notice those sorts of things.

And, personally I always felt I was a coward for being afraid of death, rather than the other way around.

*Elita_One* wrote:There are tons of people with FAR WORSE problems and they don't go and kill themselves.

Yes, there are. But all people are different, and react to things different ways.

*Elita_One* wrote:So what? People get screwed on a daily basis and that doesn't have to put anyone down. Life isn't always easy and you have to roll with the punches. You may not be able to change every single thing but you can sure go ahead and try. You can at least change some things or do something that makes you happy in a hard time.

Depends on how much you have to deal with. I had to put up with daily bullying and teasing from my own schoolmates for almost my entire school career, and I only got through it because being abnormally stubborn runs in my family. And even then it's still left bad lasting marks on my personality. I can completely understand how someone not blessed (cursed?) with Incredibly Stubborn Witch genes would have a hard time dealing with that sort of thing.

*Elita_One* wrote:You don't have to find like-minded people to hang out with. I have very diverse friends with tons of different interests and lifestyles. Just because you're a geek doesn't mean you have to hang out with geeks.

I did hang out with a lot of different folks and non-geeks when I was younger. But, like I said, I've just gotten tired of not fitting in and always being the "weird geek" in my circle.

I enjoy my group of friends online where they actually share some of my interests and don't go, "Oh, Liz, that weird spacey stuff *again*?" or say, "You know, you shouldn't insult yourself by calling yourself a geek." (actual things people have said to me), and I wish I could find a similar group offline.

*Elita_One* wrote:Public transportation is just an excuse. I don't drive and I can manage to get where I need to go using a cab or walking. It's not hard.

It depends on where you live. My hometown certainly was small enough to walk everywhere within an hour, and I had much more of a social life back then in part because of that.

Out where I am now, however, you can walk for an hour and get almost nowhere except a few run-down plazas and neighborhoods. Unfortunately, I've found it's pretty much either take a bus or spend $10+ on a cab, and the latter is too prohibitively expensive to do frequently when you have bills to pay.

*Elita_One* wrote:Actually, we have something called JOB PLACEMENT AGENCIES. You walk in on a Friday, you have a job Monday. Yes, it is that easy.

All I can say is, can you port me some of your luck? I spent almost all of last year mostly unemployed because there was little work available. I signed up with every temp and job placement agency I knew of in the area, and despite them being impressed with how well I tested, they had almost no work to offer me.

At the one job I did get (which only lasted for a month), the other temps all complained of the same problem: very little temp and even less permanent work available. I only got lucky and landed my current job because my only offline friend works there... and I'm going to get laid off soon because I work in the moving industry and we're now smack in the middle of the housing slump.

So again, I only wish it was really "that easy"... it would certain save me a lot of headaches. I don't look forward to trying to find another job before my unemployment runs out.

*Elita_One* wrote:HS was like that for pretty much the entire time I was there and for a kid who's self esteem was already garbage befoe even entering high school, it wasn't easy but I managed.

And some people don't. It takes a *lot* of strength to walk away from being dumped on like that without crumbling, and I think it's a case of some people just being blessed with abnormally resilient personalities, not a question of someone else being weak.

*Elita_One* wrote:The problem is, they are fed the crap that they have to worry about fitting in and this is what leads to this kind of behaviour. My parents taught me not to care what others think because it was their opinion and other people's opinions don't have to matter.

My parents tried their best to teach to have self-confidence, too. But you know what? When you're spending 7+ hours a day with your peers treating you like dirt, it is hard to remember that sometimes. Kids usually care far more about their peers liking them than "grownups".

Basically, it's really easy to play armchair quarterback and say it's easy to do this and that. And maybe for you in your situation, it is. But all people and their situations are different, and I find calling a young person who was suffering badly from depression stupid and weak is, well, cruel and harsh.

*Elita_One* wrote:Removed all of the WHINING from the self help guru.

I'm absolutely disgusted by the people who would tear this girl apart for being *MENTALLY ILL*.

There are MANY ways that a person can get away from depression. One of my closest friends was depressed SEVERLY twice in her life. She just came back to work after taking 7 months off because of it and she didn't go off and kill herself.

Everyone gets a different amount of depression in life. That doesn't mean they just go out and kill themselves. I have Anxiety Disorder, had it since I was 16, and when I first got it, I spent that summer vacation locked up in my house because it prevented me from going anywhere without having an attack. My dad bought me DVDs all the time so I had something to do. Do you know what it is like for a 16 year old to spend their summer vacation confined in a bed most of the time and just watching TV all day, home alone? It sucks but hey, it's almost 8 years later and I got over it because I pushed myself to get over it.

It is also a mental illness and you can't use that as an excuse to go and kill yourself and have people feel sorry for you. It's pretty depressing to not be able to do anything, especially in the summer, and I missed about 3 months of school in the beginning because I got an attack just by sitting in the classroom. I told myself I didn't want to live like that and I changed things myself. Anyone can change things, it's just a matter of getting up and doing it.

All I'm hearing is "She killed herself and you want people to feel sorry for her? What about me, me, me? I suffered, so screw that noise!" over and over and over.

This girl just killed herself, without warning. She didn't ask for sympathy, she didn't demand people's attention, she didn't ask for people to feel sorry for her. She suffered, and fought as hard as she could, and when the battle became too much for her (BECAUSE SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD!) she ended her life at the prompting of an adult who she thought was a friend.

If you can't feel sorry, or have any sympathy for such a case as this, then I pity you. I hope I don't become that cold and empty inside. I'd think that kind of apathy kills.

And reading posts like this (when I know that no one's actually getting through) make me feel like doing this:

All I know is there is a big difference in normal depression (like the kind I had after a death) and clinical depression. Being shy is really difficult--I know because I was one of those people that only had one or two friends at a time (I'm still like that). For most people it's something they grow out of. This girl obviously had some serious mental issues.

I think you're confusing intelligence with common sense Elita.

Intelligent people tend to be more likely to suffer from a depression of some kind. People with common sense will know that you control your own life- what you got is what you make of it.




Unfortunately- or fortunately- intelligent people don't always have common sense.



But still, if we all had common sense, who'd be there to put a and b together to find out that it disitegrates their home?



In the end, that was a silly things for her to do. No matter how bad something looks, there is always some way to make things all dandy again.

I don't really think you guys get what I am saying.

Suicide IS for attention. You think people don't notice you but you think if you kill yourself, THEN they'll realize that you exist.

I consider suicide to be stupid, therefore, I think the people who do it are stupid (not in the sense that they have a low IQ but in the sense that it's a stupid thing to do).

There are people who are homeless and starving in this world, kids who don't get a Christmas because they live in poverty and people on our side of the world are going to commit suicide over something like this? Maybe people should take a trip to Africa and see what those kids go through on a daily basis. You don't have to be a teen or older to commit suicide. You can be any age yet those kids who are living far worse off in this world are holding onto hope.

We are all lucky enough to have access to internet, education, doctors, schools, have clothes, a place to live, food to eat. There are so many kids in this world who don't have any of that. Just imagine knowing that you might not even live until the age of 5, which goes for a lot of those African kids. Their parents die of AIDS and they live hungry and have to drink dirty water but they choose to live on.

I find it more horrendous that people living in better conditions can be so selfish and kill themself over petty things when there are people in this world who would do anything to have what we have.

Problems are relative to an individual, and I think you're grossly underestimating the power of a person's emotions. Regardless of the society a person lives in, each person still has a set of emotional highs and lows throughout their life. The scale of the events behind these emotions is irrelevant as the impact an event has on someone will vary depending on their environment, upbringing and any mental or physical defects they may have.

If someone loses something they care about deeply, or even worse if the thing they love so much turns on them I have no doubt it can be despairing. I can empathize with how this girl may have felt, because I am the kind of person who falls deeply in love very quickly. I got rejected and betrayed on two occasions, and rather than despair and blame myself about it, I tend to go into a rage and focus all my despair and anger on whatever it may have been that had done this to me.

This is where my mind clearly differs from hers. Whereas I was brought up with the notion that anyone who betrays and hurts me should suffer for it, (and if it weren't for my tremendous self restraint I may have done something about it), she seems to have been imbued with the notion that it was somehow her fault this had happened and the blame lays solely with her.

I spit on the notion that suicide is a cry for attention. People who cut themselves with no intent of dying perhaps, but an actual suicide can reap no reward or benefit.

If you can imagine an event that would leave you feeling empty enough to not want to go on living you might have an inkling as to how this girl may have felt about being so grossly hurt and betrayed.

To give a girl who was apparently already depressed such a huge glimmer of hope in the form of a partner who fit all the criteria to be perfect and then snatch it away in the most cruel and humiliating way possible is a vile and disgusting act.

If someone who lit up your life in such a way turned out not to be the person you saw, but was really just putting on an act until they no longer needed you, how would you react? I can guarantee there would be many different answers.

In short, to call someone stupid simply because they have been hurt and betrayed to the point they feel they can no longer go on living is only confirming the fact that you do not understand that person. Unless you can somehow recall the exact event without bias and their exact thoughts and feelings you will never know if the act were stupid, selfish, desperate, resigned or entirely justified.

Anyhow, stupid is not the word you should be using. Pitiable is perhaps more appropriate. The only time someone should be called stupid for dying is when they have caused an easily avoidable fatal accident through negligence.

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Also those of you openly mocking such a tragic death is pitiable in itself. Those who have should be ashamed of themselves.

Shadowman wrote:

Night Raid wrote:

Gutter Bunny wrote:

Night Raid wrote:If she's that weak, she deserves to die!

Congratulations. I think that is officially the most ignorant post i have ever read on here.

You'd be surprised what I know, and what I lived through. So unless you'd like to compare 'battle scars', I'd say let's just leave it at that.

In the course of about an hour hour, I was physically forced to sit up straight, because I was tired, and wanted to lean on the arm of the couch I was on in the counseling center. I was mentally tortured for a couple hours after that. Because they pushed me so much, I was put in a separate room, where they made me apologize in a written letter that, of course, I never wrote.

After the counselor watching me insulted me multiple times, I attempted to make my own escape via an open door. I put my hand on the door frame, where, when the counselor slammed the door, I ended up with a flap of skin on my right ring finger, and a severe bruise UNDER the nail. They had my mom come in, and everything that happened was blamed on me being a "Danger to myself and others." I was institutionalized for a week. That's likely where my constant rage and mental anguish comes from. And I don't think I've ever told this story in full before.

Okay, your turn.

EDIT: Oh, excuse me, I was eleven at the time. It was in sixth grade. They kept me medicated as much as possible, and I only stopped the past few months, because I realized it didn't matter anymore.

Sounds somewhat like Nazi doctors are running this place.

It's very sad that this child took her own life because she felt SO betrayed by her "friend", Josh, who turned out to be make-believe, her parents, who instead yelled at her, and the whole world in general (she was being ganged up by the cuckoos on MySpace, too! "Josh", included.) No wonder she snapped.

I wouldn't blame the mother because she monitored as much as she could, yet she still couldn't prevent this tragedy.

And it was a really, really stupid as well as infantile thing for a GROWN-UP woman AND mother of another young girl to pretend on MySpace and deliberately hurt an innocent child, too! At least she feels very guilty and that she got a wrecked foosball as a result, too. Perhaps she should be put in prison for a year because she harmed a child. But at least this "crime" wasn't as serious as rape and murder.

I think the woman (and perhaps her daughter, too) would have to live with the fact that they completely destroyed a family and that is suitable enough punishment.

Screambug wrote:Sounds somewhat like Nazi doctors are running this place.

It wouldn't surprise me if they found Gas Showers in the building.

Screambug wrote:Perhaps she should be put in prison for a year because she harmed a child.

Again, no. There's no crime being committed here. You can't punish someone because they made fun of someone else on the internet. The girl took her life by her own hand, the only real murderer is herself. If it they said "Hey, go kill yourself," they might have a case.

Otherwise, this is just another case of "The Internet is Serious Business."

And BTW, I am surprised and impressed by such arrogance in some of the posts that BLAME the girl for killing herself. Classic "blame the victim" approach.

I don't care that the girl should have been stronger and taken the abuse like it's a joke (it's NOT, of course.)

Nor do I care HOW depressed she is AND whether she is DEPRESSED ENOUGH to take her own life or not.

Nor do I care about HOW those sad stories are being posted as a comparison to that poor girl's tragedy to make one feel braver and stronger than she is. That ISN'T necessary, though I do say sorry to hear that, too.:/

What happened is that the girl is sad most of her life (a little 8-year-old child fantasizing about SUICIDE should have been a RED FLAG to begin with!) That she finally began to feel happy when she met a supportive friend named "Josh". Then it turns out that she has been BETRAYED by the "friend's" nonexistence as well as the shady impersonators behind that phony face. Not to mention the fact she was being insulted and emotionally abused online, too. And being yelled and confronted by the parents for that happening, as well. No wonder she felt SO alone.

Perhaps depressed kids shouldn't even be allowed online at all?

That of course is down to the parent. It's so easy to get hold of questionable material on-line and fall in with a bad crowd. My little sister has started posting increasingly provocative images of herself on her MSN profile and I've warned my mother about this but I have yet to see any action taken. =/ But then I feel overprotective toward her, and it probably isn't as bad as I see it.

I suppose if it were my daughter I wouldn't allow it though, and I'd certainly keep her internet access restricted at least until she were 16.

But at that age, teenagers become increasingly harder to control, and eventually I suppose a parent has to let go and let their child go their own way.

It's not an easy topic don't you think?

Screambug wrote:Perhaps depressed kids shouldn't even be allowed online at all?

It depends on why the kid is depressed. I know that having access to the internet was a large boon to my depression (and still is), since it allowed me to have some kind of social life despite my anxiety/depression/isolation.

But then, I admittedly was extremely fortunate enough to find a great group of supportive friends when I first came online. If I'd been treated like this girl was, it would have ruined the social progress I'd made at that point.

Screambug wrote:Classic "blame the victim" approach.

That's the thing about suicide: The killer and the victim are the same person.

Shadowman wrote:

Screambug wrote:Classic "blame the victim" approach.

That's the thing about suicide: The killer and the victim are the same person.

Really now. That's why I can't feel sympathy for suicides. It's they're choice. I can't condemn them, cause it's their life to spend, though I can say not even leaving a note is a bit rude. However, if someone commits suicide before thinking it out, on a total whim, then they can be indeed labeled stupid, simply as an observational statement.

As I've said before, I've thought about it more times than I can count, but really always come up with at least 'just wait until the next good thing happens.' And it does, no matter how small.

That's all life really is-- wading through the **** pile to get to the bits of pure gold. If someone thought about it and came to the conclusion that this reality really isn't their cup of tea, than good for them, but frankly a loss of such irrevocable equity as life definitely deserves serious contemplation.

Well, I'm glad to see some of the posters here get it.

1.) Her suicide wasn't a cry for attention or help.
2.) She deserves every bit of respect as the rest of us, not ridicule.
3.) She was *SERIOUSLY* Mentally Ill!

All of those factors should point the rest of you in the direction of sympathy, not apathy.

Or at the very least, out of respect for another human being, keep your apathetic mindset silent and locked behind the doors in your closed minds so the rest of us don't have to hear it.

The rest of us would like to pay our respects to a poor girl who's life and mind were completely out of her control, and we can't do that peacefully when the rest of you want to pull a Fred Phelps and denounce the girl and her actions and use this as a stepping stone to whine about *YOUR* problems that aren't worth squat to us. (Although they would've been, had you not come right out and said "Oh boo hoo" about her from the getgo.)

"Treat others as you would wish to be treated" well, be careful what you wish for, we might just give you a whole lot of what you've given her.

You people can obviously read. You no doubt saw that she was clearly mentally unstable. Yet, with all of that...you *still* make light of what happened, and consider her a joke. You're no better than her idiot mother. I saw her on The Today Show. It was all rehearsed and so pathetic that I wanted to vomit. I don't care how many weeks it's been since that happened, I'd still be a sobbing mess if someone prompted, and succeeded in getting my mentally ill child to kill herself. (Heck, if my kid killed themselves, period. I'd be devastated.)

The problem is, you're jealous of this girl. The world *is* on this girl's side and people around the world are mourning a poor child they don't even know. Yet no one around the corner would even look twice if you decided to load a gun and pop your brains on the wall. And you know why? Because you treat the rest of the world just like you treat this girl. So of course the world wouldn't give two craps if you did what she did.

1.) You're cruel and ignorant by choice. (That's just disgusting.)

2.) You're adults with a past of being able to function correctly, so many people are going to say it's just a phase that you're going through and you'll pull out of it. (She was a kid, with no voice, and her mind was constantly teetering on the verge of insanity at a moment's notice, something totally beyond her control.)

If you change those two things about yourselves...the world would care about you a lot more. People would greet you warmly and many with open arms.

No one wants to approach a person with an angry look on their face all the time and listen to them rant about how the world sucks and whatnot.

You can change your situation, she couldn't. Once you're willing (keyword: willing) to see that, perhaps your hearts will change as well.

Shame on you, all of you.

When I noted about my problems, it was in no way to belittle the girl's problems. In fact, I said that my depression was normal, while this child's was obviously very serious and required medication and whatnot. I've been saying all along that this child was seriously ill. Please don't think I was trying to equate my situation. I turned out a mentally healthy adult, while this child will never become one.

Oh my god. That is so sad, I feel so sorry for the kid. She must have been through some hard times in a very young age.

Okay, here's one problem I have with this thread:

A lot of people have been assuming that she committed suicide because the 'guy' broke up with her, or that depressed people commit suicide in general because they are 'too lazy' to fix whatever is wrong with their life.

But let me pose this interpretation of the event:

The girl fell in love. True, the guy was fictional, a lie, but she didn't know. She believed him to be a guy that understood her and cared about her. Then, this one guy who she believes actually understands her, not only breaks up with her, but also drags her name through the mud in a public forum, basically telling her she's a worthless human being.

Someone she believed knew her better than anyone else, told her she was gutterslime. As a mentally disordered teenager, she probably didn't have a strong sense of self-identity to cling to, so she believed he was right. After all, as far as she knew, he wouldn't lie to her.

From my perspective, she didn't commit suicide to escape the big scary "real world", she probably did it because she believed that her very existence was bringing suffering to those around her, and that it was therefore the right thing to do.

Of course, you can retort with some of that self-help crap that works so well with the mentally 'healthy', and say, that if she thought others were suffering because she was a worthless human being, that she should just work harder to be a better person.

Unfortunately, a clinically depressed person perceives their value as a person unrealistically, the same way the someone with body dismorphic disorder views their physical form. Like an Anorexic that could fast and starve, but never believe they're thin enough, a clinically depressed person can work and work to be a better person, and still believe they're an insufferable abomination.

Eventually, without successful treatment, hopelessness sets in. The person is sure they cannot possibly be any better, that they will always be worthless or terrible, and decide to remove themselves from the equation, for the sake of those they care about.

In case some of you didn't see, no charges will be filed.

This story has got to be fake. While I do agree with everything that's been said by everyone, that's pretty stupid to kill yourself because of your virtual boyfriend. So of the facts of the story just don't seem right. Like the family storing a foosball table for the other. These 2 most have been on good terms to do a favor like that. Then why would they be so mean to the victim? Spying on her through a fake boys MySpace account? If you ask me, either this story is a hoax. Or all parties involved are a little nuts.

Moonbase2 wrote:When I noted about my problems, it was in no way to belittle the girl's problems. In fact, I said that my depression was normal, while this child's was obviously very serious and required medication and whatnot. I've been saying all along that this child was seriously ill. Please don't think I was trying to equate my situation. I turned out a mentally healthy adult, while this child will never become one.

Oh no no. That wasn't aimed at you. I've read your posts in the past and I see that you've been through hell. No, my post was aimed at others.

UltraPrimal wrote:This story has got to be fake. While I do agree with everything that's been said by everyone, that's pretty stupid to kill yourself because of your virtual boyfriend. So of the facts of the story just don't seem right. Like the family storing a foosball table for the other. These 2 most have been on good terms to do a favor like that. Then why would they be so mean to the victim? Spying on her through a fake boys MySpace account? If you ask me, either this story is a hoax. Or all parties involved are a little nuts.

It's not fake. It's not a hoax. It's all sadly, pathetically* real. And the fact that the families were friends before the mother pulled this...goes to show you just how evil of a woman she is. She knew the girl's weaknesses, her mental instability and used it as a weapon against her. It worked. She's a dirty, disgusting whore.

*= pathetic in the sense that the adults involved couldn't have cared less whether this girl lived, died, or grew grass out her crack.

Moonbase2 wrote:In case some of you didn't see, no charges will be filed.

Which is disgusting. Further proving that there's no justice for this girl, at all. (Other than she's finally at peace)

Caelus wrote:Okay, here's one problem I have with this thread:

A lot of people have been assuming that she committed suicide because the 'guy' broke up with her, or that depressed people commit suicide in general because they are 'too lazy' to fix whatever is wrong with their life.

But let me pose this interpretation of the event:

The girl fell in love. True, the guy was fictional, a lie, but she didn't know. She believed him to be a guy that understood her and cared about her. Then, this one guy who she believes actually understands her, not only breaks up with her, but also drags her name through the mud in a public forum, basically telling her she's a worthless human being.

Someone she believed knew her better than anyone else, told her she was gutterslime. As a mentally disordered teenager, she probably didn't have a strong sense of self-identity to cling to, so she believed he was right. After all, as far as she knew, he wouldn't lie to her.

From my perspective, she didn't commit suicide to escape the big scary "real world", she probably did it because she believed that her very existence was bringing suffering to those around her, and that it was therefore the right thing to do.

Of course, you can retort with some of that self-help crap that works so well with the mentally 'healthy', and say, that if she thought others were suffering because she was a worthless human being, that she should just work harder to be a better person.

Unfortunately, a clinically depressed person perceives their value as a person unrealistically, the same way the someone with body dismorphic disorder views their physical form. Like an Anorexic that could fast and starve, but never believe they're thin enough, a clinically depressed person can work and work to be a better person, and still believe they're an insufferable abomination.

Eventually, without successful treatment, hopelessness sets in. The person is sure they cannot possibly be any better, that they will always be worthless or terrible, and decide to remove themselves from the equation, for the sake of those they care about.

Bingo! Not to mention, the woman (as the boy) told her that the world would be better off without her, and that she should kill herself.

Saying that, and knowing the girl's unstable enough to do it...not only proves this woman's evil but that a murder has occurred here and it should be treated as such.