The Energon Pub

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:10 am

Brings up an interesting question. While on Cybertron, what on earth could Laserbeak and company transform into? If Soundwave becomes a lamppost what would Rumble disguise himself as? A traffic cone? A post box?!

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:30 am

Tekka wrote:Brings up an interesting question. While on Cybertron, what on earth could Laserbeak and company transform into? If Soundwave becomes a lamppost what would Rumble disguise himself as? A traffic cone? A post box?!

That's what I was attempting to say and not really saying... what am I saying? I sware I only had one drink!

Shouldn't they be light bulbs?

by **ThunderZap** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:39 am

Megatron should be a battle tank.

Galvatron should be a gunship aircraft.

by **Auto Bot** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:47 am

Tekka wrote:Brings up an interesting question. While on Cybertron, what on earth could Laserbeak and company transform into? If Soundwave becomes a lamppost what would Rumble disguise himself as? A traffic cone? A post box?!

I think Ravage can become an icecream vendor's icecream cart. Rumble is the icecream man. Laserbeak is the icecream cone.

Plus a bonus of the customer in the person..uh..robot of Starscream.

Oh yeah. My vote goes for aircraft. But not the Cybertronian pile of twisted metal crap of Bay. I mean a real earth aircraft.

by **slycherrychunks** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:52 am

Gun.

There's no real point in having an alt-mode that gives him more firepower "battle presence" or maneuverability; he's a giant, flying robot with an arm cannon.

There is no purer, more recognizable instrument of death than the gun - plus it's a better disguise.

News Credits: 1 · by **bookofjunon** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:26 am

Saber Prime wrote:Technically wasn't Megatron really a Tank originally anyway?

Only in the comics of DW and IDW

Saber Prime wrote:I mean War Within Megatron IS a Tank and he IS supose to be G1 Megatron BEFORE they came to Earth. That makes his alt mode on Earth a HUGE downgrade.

That depends on many things, Megatron is deadly no matter what alt mode he has.

Saber Prime wrote:He could have gone from a Cybertronian tank to an Earth tank which would have been a better fit. But no he got turned into a hand gun.

That's what makes him cool, he's killed more Autobots as a gun than a tank.

Saber Prime wrote:Now if Shockwave had went to Earth with them and scaned the gun he'd be fine. He was allready a gun on Cybertron but at least he could fire on his own and not have someone else hold him.

Why do you say that? Because of the cartoon? You can't use the comics to back up something then use the cartoon to back up another point. In the War Within Shockwave was a tank too. Seems that the powerful Decepticons think a gun is a better upgrade...

Saber Prime wrote:Allthough that might suck for Soundwave. Mabe they should change his name to Lightwave sence he transforms into a light post. Allso while we're on the subject of Cybertronian modes. Why was Laserbeak still a casset tape on Cybertron? He looked like a flying saucer with a head in bird mode but then he turned into a casset tape. That really made no sence.

Again, using the cartoon or the comic??? Which is it? You can only have one point of reference for alt modes because every continuity did them differently.

I imagine in the cartoon, Soundwave could change into many different forms as his disguise. Laserbeak was a recording tape of somekind, his robot mode was some kind of Cybertronian bird thing.

by **Jaw Crusher** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:49 am

bookofjunon wrote:In the War Within Shockwave was a tank too.

Are you thinking of the scrapped WW design? 'Cuz IIRC ol' Shocks was actually portrayed as the G1 space gun in the WW books...anybody?

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:13 pm

bookofjunon wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Technically wasn't Megatron really a Tank originally anyway?

Only in the comics of DW and IDW

Saber Prime wrote:I mean War Within Megatron IS a Tank and he IS supose to be G1 Megatron BEFORE they came to Earth. That makes his alt mode on Earth a HUGE downgrade.

That depends on many things, Megatron is deadly no matter what alt mode he has.

Saber Prime wrote:He could have gone from a Cybertronian tank to an Earth tank which would have been a better fit. But no he got turned into a hand gun.

That's what makes him cool, he's killed more Autobots as a gun than a tank.

Saber Prime wrote:Now if Shockwave had went to Earth with them and scaned the gun he'd be fine. He was allready a gun on Cybertron but at least he could fire on his own and not have someone else hold him.

Why do you say that? Because of the cartoon? You can't use the comics to back up something then use the cartoon to back up another point. In the War Within Shockwave was a tank too. Seems that the powerful Decepticons think a gun is a better upgrade...

Saber Prime wrote:Allthough that might suck for Soundwave. Mabe they should change his name to Lightwave sence he transforms into a light post. Allso while we're on the subject of Cybertronian modes. Why was Laserbeak still a casset tape on Cybertron? He looked like a flying saucer with a head in bird mode but then he turned into a casset tape. That really made no sence.

Again, using the cartoon or the comic??? Which is it? You can only have one point of reference for alt modes because every continuity did them differently.

I imagine in the cartoon, Soundwave could change into many different forms as his disguise. Laserbeak was a recording tape of somekind, his robot mode was some kind of Cybertronian bird thing.

I'm useing the cartoon and fragments of information I got from other people about the comics sence I don't actully read them.

Soundwave only went from being a lamp post on Cybertron to a tape deck on Earth.

And... "A recording tape of somekind"? It's called a casset tape. That's the only kind of "recording tape" there is. And the odd thing is on Cybertron, he still was a casset tape.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:47 pm

Saber Prime wrote:Technically wasn't Megatron really a Tank originally anyway?

I mean War Within Megatron IS a Tank and he IS supose to be G1 Megatron BEFORE they came to Earth. That makes his alt mode on Earth a HUGE downgrade.

He could have gone from a Cybertronian tank to an Earth tank which would have been a better fit. But no he got turned into a hand gun.

Now if Shockwave had went to Earth with them and scaned the gun he'd be fine. He was allready a gun on Cybertron but at least he could fire on his own and not have someone else hold him.

Allthough that might suck for Soundwave. Mabe they should change his name to Lightwave sence he transforms into a light post. Allso while we're on the subject of Cybertronian modes. Why was Laserbeak still a casset tape on Cybertron? He looked like a flying saucer with a head in bird mode but then he turned into a casset tape. That really made no sence.

There are a great many things in the world of TF's that dont make sence.But to be a correct as possible......Soundwaves alt mode on Cybertron in the toon hasnt really be defined....many call him a light post but he had no light coming from him so what he really is has never been said.

Saber Prime wrote:
Soundwave only went from being a lamp post on Cybertron to a tape deck on Earth.
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Thats was only in the G1 cartoon.His alt mode on Cybertron in the comics have been quite different.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:50 pm

bookofjunon wrote:
Why do you say that? Because of the cartoon? You can't use the comics to back up something then use the cartoon to back up another point. In the War Within Shockwave was a tank too. Seems that the powerful Decepticons think a gun is a better upgrade...
.

That was only in the design stages of that book....by the time the book went into production he was changed back into a giant ray gun.He is seen in his Ray Gun mode durring the attack on Iacon.

News Credits: 1 · by **Silent_Magnus** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:03 pm

Long Live the Gunformers!

(although I prefer Megs with a little DI-NO-MIGHT!)

by **Zombie Starscream** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:08 pm

I think when Shockwave is in his gun mode he is meant to be weilded by a gestalt. Maybe that is the idea with Megatron when he is in gun mode, he is weilded also by somebody.
Having a gun that is a robot kind of simplifies things. All you have to do is point and shoot, the gun will do the rest.

News Credits: 8 · by **Liege Evilmus** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:10 pm

As I've yet to see a Megatron tank that I realy like, thats out.

The Jets have been hit or miss, so alright...

The guns I have enjoyed alot! Baring the colors on Classics, I thing that was a great way to pull off the idea. The MP version is awesome but frail and has me wondering why they didn't just go with the type of legs that G1 ShockWave has, or use the extra pannels to make them more sturdy?

But what I'd realy like to see Megatron as ia a Anti Aircraft placement type gun!

That would be cool :grin:

by **Malicron** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:33 pm

I seem to recal seeing sompthing like that on Transtopia.
Let me see if I can find it again.
One minuet, please...

by **Malicron** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:43 pm

Found it!
It's seperated into two galeries:
Robot Mode
AA-Gun Mode
Is that something like what you were thinking of?

News Credits: 8 · by **Liege Evilmus** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:50 pm

The links are just bringing me to a Page Not Found screen, can you post an image?

I'd realy like to see that :grin:

by **Malicron** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:59 pm

News Credits: 8 · by **Liege Evilmus** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:04 pm

I nearly forgot about this! Wasn't Designed right arter the release of MP Prime, as a believable counterpart?

I'm ok with MP Megatron, but I'd love to have gotten something like this instead!!!

It was based on a German gun placement I belive, the piece is amazing, but just imaging how much farther Takara could take it :grin:

Oh and Thanks!

by **Malicron** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:16 pm

Right on all accounts and you're welcome! :grin:

News Credits: 8 · by **Liege Evilmus** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:21 pm

Wow, and I saw that long before I ever got a computer, you'd think all this beer would have deteriorated more of my memory, but NOPE!

Take that Goverment Warning and scientific testing!

Also, PRAISE to the creator of that awesome figure! It has me wondering why all these great kitbashers and repainters aren't beating down Hasbro's door for staff positions?

by **Pyrostrata** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:36 pm

Holy cats! That is REAL cool!

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:08 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Technically wasn't Megatron really a Tank originally anyway?

I mean War Within Megatron IS a Tank and he IS supose to be G1 Megatron BEFORE they came to Earth. That makes his alt mode on Earth a HUGE downgrade.

He could have gone from a Cybertronian tank to an Earth tank which would have been a better fit. But no he got turned into a hand gun.

Now if Shockwave had went to Earth with them and scaned the gun he'd be fine. He was allready a gun on Cybertron but at least he could fire on his own and not have someone else hold him.

Allthough that might suck for Soundwave. Mabe they should change his name to Lightwave sence he transforms into a light post. Allso while we're on the subject of Cybertronian modes. Why was Laserbeak still a casset tape on Cybertron? He looked like a flying saucer with a head in bird mode but then he turned into a casset tape. That really made no sence.

There are a great many things in the world of TF's that dont make sence.But to be a correct as possible......Soundwaves alt mode on Cybertron in the toon hasnt really be defined....many call him a light post but he had no light coming from him so what he really is has never been said.

Many Earth lights don't have light comming from them either because the bulb's burned out or because it's still day light.

Middle of a war don't think anyone is going to bother changing light bulbs pluse it wasn't dark enough when we see him to even need street lights on.

What else could he have possibly been?

I'm thinking power line, teliphone pole but no wires. Actully some kind of comunications device, basically a Cybertronian teliphone pole, would actlly make sense. Yep I'm going with Teliphone pole, only thing he could have been that really goes with his name. :lol:

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:12 am

Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Technically wasn't Megatron really a Tank originally anyway?

I mean War Within Megatron IS a Tank and he IS supose to be G1 Megatron BEFORE they came to Earth. That makes his alt mode on Earth a HUGE downgrade.

He could have gone from a Cybertronian tank to an Earth tank which would have been a better fit. But no he got turned into a hand gun.

Now if Shockwave had went to Earth with them and scaned the gun he'd be fine. He was allready a gun on Cybertron but at least he could fire on his own and not have someone else hold him.

Allthough that might suck for Soundwave. Mabe they should change his name to Lightwave sence he transforms into a light post. Allso while we're on the subject of Cybertronian modes. Why was Laserbeak still a casset tape on Cybertron? He looked like a flying saucer with a head in bird mode but then he turned into a casset tape. That really made no sence.

There are a great many things in the world of TF's that dont make sence.But to be a correct as possible......Soundwaves alt mode on Cybertron in the toon hasnt really be defined....many call him a light post but he had no light coming from him so what he really is has never been said.

Many Earth lights don't have light comming from them either because the bulb's burned out or because it's still day light.

Middle of a war don't think anyone is going to bother changing light bulbs pluse it wasn't dark enough when we see him to even need street lights on.

What else could he have possibly been?

I'm thinking power line, teliphone pole but no wires. Actully some kind of comunications device, basically a Cybertronian teliphone pole, would actlly make sense. Yep I'm going with Teliphone pole, only thing he could have been that really goes with his name.

Good point about the power and the burnt out bulbs and I like your idea of a Teliphone pole....my theroy was always a communications tower of some kind.

News Credits: 8 · by **Liege Evilmus** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:47 am

If he was a light post on an engergon depleted Cybertrom wouldn't it make sense that he was stripped bare or everything in an atempt to save whatever?

Also, as someone who travels on alot of highways, I always thought SoundWaves G1 Cybertron form was mor reminisent of a highway guard rail post(the cable kind) stripped bare?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:49 am

Liege Evilmus wrote:If he was a light post on an engergon depleted Cybertrom wouldn't it make sense that he was stripped bare or everything in an atempt to save whatever?

Also, as someone who travels on alot of highways, I always thought SoundWaves G1 Cybertron form was mor reminisent of a highway guard rail post(the cable kind) stripped bare?

I've had the same thoughts over the years.