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Rated X wrote:

njb902 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

njb902 wrote:Gm specifically designs their vehicles with a number of non proprietary parts, actually giving you the option to not use their parts. Not to mention that after you have purchased the car it's yours, what you then do with it is your business.

You really have no idea how patents, trademarks, or copyrights work do you?

All I know is the official part exists for alot more and I saved plenty of money with the KO. Another great example of bucking the system is refilling printer cartridges. HP hates that ****. But who cares ? I dont own stock in HP, Chevy, or Hasbro. Im not the most ethical person in the world. But when did David ever care about Goliaths best interests ?

HP might hate it, but that doesn't change it's legality. I also don't get what a man fighting to save his people has to do with you saving money, his purpose was selfless while yours is selfish.

I used to have to go to a mom and pop store ten miles away to get my printer cartridges refilled, but now I can go to walgreens and get them "legally" refilled in plain sight. I guess HP lost that battle and refilling is as big a business as new cartridges themselves. Now if that isnt sticking it to big business, than what is ? But since you want to get all technical about my david and Goliath reference, Ill explain. I was only referring to the little man (me) taking a swing at the giant (hasbro) by saving big bucks on KOs. Who was good or evil in the actual biblical tale is irrelevant to my comparrison.

Why are you stuck on the ink thing? You can justify your selfishness however you want, but don't try to hide it as anything else.

If ink cartridges were costing HP so much money they'd stop making ink cartridges. Or they'd just make empty ones. Just putting that out there. Not that it has anything in common with buying a KO.

Really, buy the KO if you want, but it's really not a moral stand. We're buying toys here not feeding the hungry. Get a little perspective.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:If ink cartridges were costing HP so much money they'd stop making ink cartridges. Or they'd just make empty ones. Just putting that out there. Not that it has anything in common with buying a KO.

Really, buy the KO if you want, but it's really not a moral stand. We're buying toys here not feeding the hungry. Get a little perspective.

Perspective is a fine line. If we don't worry about the small things there is always the chance they will become big things. Your probably right though. I more than likely wouldn't bother, but I dislike Rated X. I imagine if we ever met we would "disagree". So I'll just take my leave, I've derailed this thread enough.

For those claiming this will be cheaper than the Hasbro and Takara offering, keep this in mind, these where listed on ebay and the like a few weeks ago for $130 a piece before they where pulled, now take into account that this does not come with the trailer, Roller or Spike.
That's more than the Hasbro version cost at retail, and that came with all the accessories.

So if you can say this is a much better deal than the original was, well go back to school and learn a little something called math.

Only way I'm getting this is if it's sold at a reasonable price, like 40-55 and is in blue Diaclone colours. Which is something I've been saying from the beginning. And seeing those original ebay listings, well tough luck.

Rated X wrote:

Yotsuyasan wrote:

zodconvoy wrote:Anyone saying we don't need a KO of MP-10 clearly doesn't have to face paying the current prices. I wasn't one of the six people who found it in TRU so my only option has been in the $300+ range. I do have MP-10B Nemesis Prime and the chest is uneven and while the KO may have a gap at the top, at least it's symmetrical. And the "wiper" problem is probably about the side mirrors, not the actual wipers.

Now who do I throw my money at to get one of these?

I really hate beating a dead horse, and I'm also not looking to pick an argument, so I shall say my piece and be done with it... but I have to take issue with your choice of words.

zodconvoy wrote:Anyone saying we don't need a KO of MP-10 clearly doesn't have to face paying the current prices.

Why do you need a KO of MP-10 exactly? Is someone holding your family hostage, threatening to kill them unless you deliver an MP-10 and within a certain budget? Or perhaps you have discovered a way to cure a deadly disease or feed the hungry with an MP-10? I'm at a loss to know why your absolute need of it is so great, that you must have one even if you have to resort to paying for stolen goods? (Okay, they didn't steal the physical toys, but it is an IP theft.)

Or is it just that you want one, didn't have the good fortune to find one when it was available for sale (I never saw one in person either, but had no trouble finding one at TRU.com when they were for sale), and can't be bothered to pay the after market prices for them?

Well, sucks to be you. And if you want to resort to the less then kosher route of getting a knocked off product, don't say things such as, "I need it!" or "I deserve it!" Because it isn't true. Owning a toy or collectable is not an entitlement. You aren't owed anything by Hasbro. Your life is not dependent on it, and you will survive just fine if you never have it. If you missed it while it was in retail, or if you couldn't afford it, yeah, that sucks. But the world will not come crashing to an end because you didn't get that one toy.


And if some unscrupulous thieves knock off the product yoou want, and you decide to buy that, that's your business. But be honest. Just say, "I want this, so I'm gonna buy it." Do not say, "I need this." Because no, you don't.

Yawn...for a second I thought the pope was delivering a speech about world peace. You want to know what makes KOs so awesome ? Ill tell you brother...its the thrill of getting the same thing at half the price and having some extra cash in your pocket. The other day I had to replace a bad headlight bulb in my truck. Do you think I went to the dealer and paid around $100 for them to replace it with an official chevy bulb installed by an official licensed chevy technician ? HELL NO !!! I went to the nearest Advance Auto Parts and bought a KO bulb for 15 bucks and installed it myself. Granted, im no mechanic, but with the money I saved I could probally buy an MP-10. I actually had the official one in my hands at TRU (they had 5 of them) but Im not into MP scale so I didnt need it for what hasbro says its worth. But at $75-80 bucks with a trailer, I might be a buyer just to throw it on the coffee table for beer nights.

Buying those refilled ink cartridges is just idea. Often times the guys refilling those cartridges don't have a clue what they are doing. most times the cartridge does not get sealed up correctly resulting in the ink spilling in the bag or worse in your printer.

Each brand new ink cartridge has a chip in there the printer reads. When the printer reads in the ink cartridge code it reveals what level the ink is at. it alerts you when the ink is almost empty.

When you refill used cartridges this makes the chip void & not work. This means,The printer is no longer able to read the chip & determine how much ink is in the cartridge.

Refilling a cartridge cost half the price of buying a new one. Might as well as buy a brand new one.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Yotsuyasan wrote:

zodconvoy wrote:Anyone saying we don't need a KO of MP-10 clearly doesn't have to face paying the current prices. I wasn't one of the six people who found it in TRU so my only option has been in the $300+ range. I do have MP-10B Nemesis Prime and the chest is uneven and while the KO may have a gap at the top, at least it's symmetrical. And the "wiper" problem is probably about the side mirrors, not the actual wipers.

Now who do I throw my money at to get one of these?

I really hate beating a dead horse, and I'm also not looking to pick an argument, so I shall say my piece and be done with it... but I have to take issue with your choice of words.

zodconvoy wrote:Anyone saying we don't need a KO of MP-10 clearly doesn't have to face paying the current prices.

Why do you need a KO of MP-10 exactly? Is someone holding your family hostage, threatening to kill them unless you deliver an MP-10 and within a certain budget? Or perhaps you have discovered a way to cure a deadly disease or feed the hungry with an MP-10? I'm at a loss to know why your absolute need of it is so great, that you must have one even if you have to resort to paying for stolen goods? (Okay, they didn't steal the physical toys, but it is an IP theft.)

Or is it just that you want one, didn't have the good fortune to find one when it was available for sale (I never saw one in person either, but had no trouble finding one at TRU.com when they were for sale), and can't be bothered to pay the after market prices for them?

Well, sucks to be you. And if you want to resort to the less then kosher route of getting a knocked off product, don't say things such as, "I need it!" or "I deserve it!" Because it isn't true. Owning a toy or collectable is not an entitlement. You aren't owed anything by Hasbro. Your life is not dependent on it, and you will survive just fine if you never have it. If you missed it while it was in retail, or if you couldn't afford it, yeah, that sucks. But the world will not come crashing to an end because you didn't get that one toy.


And if some unscrupulous thieves knock off the product yoou want, and you decide to buy that, that's your business. But be honest. Just say, "I want this, so I'm gonna buy it." Do not say, "I need this." Because no, you don't.

Yawn...for a second I thought the pope was delivering a speech about world peace. You want to know what makes KOs so awesome ? Ill tell you brother...its the thrill of getting the same thing at half the price and having some extra cash in your pocket. The other day I had to replace a bad headlight bulb in my truck. Do you think I went to the dealer and paid around $100 for them to replace it with an official chevy bulb installed by an official licensed chevy technician ? HELL NO !!! I went to the nearest Advance Auto Parts and bought a KO bulb for 15 bucks and installed it myself. Granted, im no mechanic, but with the money I saved I could probally buy an MP-10. I actually had the official one in my hands at TRU (they had 5 of them) but Im not into MP scale so I didnt need it for what hasbro says its worth. But at $75-80 bucks with a trailer, I might be a buyer just to throw it on the coffee table for beer nights.

Buying those refilled ink cartridges is just idea. Often times the guys refilling those cartridges don't have a clue what they are doing. most times the cartridge does not get sealed up correctly resulting in the ink spilling in the bag or worse in your printer.

Each brand new ink cartridge has a chip in there the printer reads. When the printer reads in the ink cartridge code it reveals what level the ink is at. it alerts you when the ink is almost empty.

When you refill used cartridges this makes the chip void & not work. This means,The printer is no longer able to read the chip & determine how much ink is in the cartridge.

Refilling a cartridge cost half the price of buying a new one. Might as well as buy a brand new one.

Ive never had any problem with my refills. $7.99 VS. $18.99 is a good amount save. If you want to support HP, go for it ! It's your money. Id rather take that extra money saved and buy a 6 pack of beer than put it in someone elses pocket.

njb902 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

njb902 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

njb902 wrote:Gm specifically designs their vehicles with a number of non proprietary parts, actually giving you the option to not use their parts. Not to mention that after you have purchased the car it's yours, what you then do with it is your business.

You really have no idea how patents, trademarks, or copyrights work do you?

All I know is the official part exists for alot more and I saved plenty of money with the KO. Another great example of bucking the system is refilling printer cartridges. HP hates that ****. But who cares ? I dont own stock in HP, Chevy, or Hasbro. Im not the most ethical person in the world. But when did David ever care about Goliaths best interests ?

HP might hate it, but that doesn't change it's legality. I also don't get what a man fighting to save his people has to do with you saving money, his purpose was selfless while yours is selfish.

I used to have to go to a mom and pop store ten miles away to get my printer cartridges refilled, but now I can go to walgreens and get them "legally" refilled in plain sight. I guess HP lost that battle and refilling is as big a business as new cartridges themselves. Now if that isnt sticking it to big business, than what is ? But since you want to get all technical about my david and Goliath reference, Ill explain. I was only referring to the little man (me) taking a swing at the giant (hasbro) by saving big bucks on KOs. Who was good or evil in the actual biblical tale is irrelevant to my comparrison.

Why are you stuck on the ink thing? You can justify your selfishness however you want, but don't try to hide it as anything else.

Because the refilled ink cartridges are the perfect example of the whole KO concept. Screw the dealer, save some money. Maybe you consider saving yourself money being selfish. I consider it being smart. To each their own.

That entire mentality only applies if you actually save money with this. We'll have to see what they charge. It already doesn't come with all of it's accessories.

Rated X wrote:

njb902 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

njb902 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

njb902 wrote:Gm specifically designs their vehicles with a number of non proprietary parts, actually giving you the option to not use their parts. Not to mention that after you have purchased the car it's yours, what you then do with it is your business.

You really have no idea how patents, trademarks, or copyrights work do you?

All I know is the official part exists for alot more and I saved plenty of money with the KO. Another great example of bucking the system is refilling printer cartridges. HP hates that ****. But who cares ? I dont own stock in HP, Chevy, or Hasbro. Im not the most ethical person in the world. But when did David ever care about Goliaths best interests ?

HP might hate it, but that doesn't change it's legality. I also don't get what a man fighting to save his people has to do with you saving money, his purpose was selfless while yours is selfish.

I used to have to go to a mom and pop store ten miles away to get my printer cartridges refilled, but now I can go to walgreens and get them "legally" refilled in plain sight. I guess HP lost that battle and refilling is as big a business as new cartridges themselves. Now if that isnt sticking it to big business, than what is ? But since you want to get all technical about my david and Goliath reference, Ill explain. I was only referring to the little man (me) taking a swing at the giant (hasbro) by saving big bucks on KOs. Who was good or evil in the actual biblical tale is irrelevant to my comparrison.

Why are you stuck on the ink thing? You can justify your selfishness however you want, but don't try to hide it as anything else.

Because the refilled ink cartridges are the perfect example of the whole KO concept. Screw the dealer, save some money. Maybe you consider saving yourself money being selfish. I consider it being smart. To each their own.

Says the guy who called us all cheapskates for not blowing our money on IT's crappy tiny 30 dollar figures?

So whenever someone points out they rather buy genuine products to support the companies that make them and thus spend a bit more, you tell them how stupid they are for wasting their money official products if they can get a similar substitute for cheaper. This does not really apply to TF KOs since they're generally more expensive than the originals these days, but you keep bringing up printers and 3rd party car parts manufacturers.

And then there are the cases, like the poopy IT minibots, where people state that this it's too expensive for what it is, and that there are faaaar better alternatives that are not just of superior design and quality, but also cheaper - those guys are poor assholes who can't afford stuff and they shouldn't be so stupid and stop saving their money?

Seriously, X, you have issues, go see a doctor. I'm genuinely past the point of thinking you're trolling, I believe you might actually suffer from multiple personality disorder. Go see a doctor, tell him about yourselves and your problems, he may be able to help you.

Dead Metal wrote:

Rated X wrote:

njb902 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

njb902 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

njb902 wrote:Gm specifically designs their vehicles with a number of non proprietary parts, actually giving you the option to not use their parts. Not to mention that after you have purchased the car it's yours, what you then do with it is your business.

You really have no idea how patents, trademarks, or copyrights work do you?

All I know is the official part exists for alot more and I saved plenty of money with the KO. Another great example of bucking the system is refilling printer cartridges. HP hates that ****. But who cares ? I dont own stock in HP, Chevy, or Hasbro. Im not the most ethical person in the world. But when did David ever care about Goliaths best interests ?

HP might hate it, but that doesn't change it's legality. I also don't get what a man fighting to save his people has to do with you saving money, his purpose was selfless while yours is selfish.

I used to have to go to a mom and pop store ten miles away to get my printer cartridges refilled, but now I can go to walgreens and get them "legally" refilled in plain sight. I guess HP lost that battle and refilling is as big a business as new cartridges themselves. Now if that isnt sticking it to big business, than what is ? But since you want to get all technical about my david and Goliath reference, Ill explain. I was only referring to the little man (me) taking a swing at the giant (hasbro) by saving big bucks on KOs. Who was good or evil in the actual biblical tale is irrelevant to my comparrison.

Why are you stuck on the ink thing? You can justify your selfishness however you want, but don't try to hide it as anything else.

Because the refilled ink cartridges are the perfect example of the whole KO concept. Screw the dealer, save some money. Maybe you consider saving yourself money being selfish. I consider it being smart. To each their own.

Says the guy who called us all cheapskates for not blowing our money on IT's crappy tiny 30 dollar figures?

So whenever someone points out they rather buy genuine products to support the companies that make them and thus spend a bit more, you tell them how stupid they are for wasting their money official products if they can get a similar substitute for cheaper. This does not really apply to TF KOs since they're generally more expensive than the originals these days, but you keep bringing up printers and 3rd party car parts manufacturers.

And then there are the cases, like the poopy IT minibots, where people state that this it's too expensive for what it is, and that there are faaaar better alternatives that are not just of superior design and quality, but also cheaper - those guys are poor assholes who can't afford stuff and they shouldn't be so stupid and stop saving their money?

Seriously, X, you have issues, go see a doctor. I'm genuinely past the point of thinking you're trolling, I believe you might actually suffer from multiple personality disorder. Go see a doctor, tell him about yourselves and your problems, he may be able to help you.

I was going to write up a similar reply. I don't now,since you've covered all the bases.

Rated X wrote:Who was good or evil in the actual biblical tale is irrelevant to my comparrison.

Then maybe you shouldn't be using a biblical reference...

Dead Metal wrote:Seriously, X, you have issues, go see a doctor. I'm genuinely past the point of thinking you're trolling, I believe you might actually suffer from multiple personality disorder.

It's called selective memory. X sometimes takes it to an extreme, but we're all occasionally hypocritical when it comes to irrationally spending our hard-earned money on toys.




So, this KO. At this point, can we call it a pure knock off? There are clearly significant molding changes, and new detailing. Frankly, I think it's ugly. I'm perfectly happy with my high-quality, nicely painted, and trailer-ed up MP-10, thank you.

A KO with changes is still a KO. Whether the change is an improvement or for the worse.

megatronus wrote: It's called selective memory. X sometimes takes it to an extreme.

X,said in other threads he doesn't like buying MP TF toys. It wasn't the price tag. X said he disliked the overly big size & aesthetics. It makes no sense why X is interested in buying a KO MP-10.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

megatronus wrote: It's called selective memory. X sometimes takes it to an extreme.

X,said in other threads he doesn't like buying MP TF toys. It wasn't the price tag. X said he disliked the overly big size & aesthetics. It makes no sense why X is interested in buying a KO MP-10.

Im not buying am MP-10. Im just taking advantage of an oppurtunity to show support for KOs. Im not sure I get your guys logic. Some of you guys are cheaper than al bundy, but against saving money on the overpriced MP line you all love. Youre blind loyalty to hasbro is going to Drive you all to the poorhouse. Is a KO really that offensive even if its the exact same **** ? Do you really care about which factory the lump of plastic came from ? Will it make a difference in your life ? If it looks like a duck and it quacks, its a duck.

You guys are close to going full are tard here.
If you want to discuss the ethics of KO's start a new thread.
I'm tired of getting new post notifications about things
That have nothing to do with MP-10 KO.

Rated X wrote: Im not buying am MP-10. Im just taking advantage of an oppurtunity to show support for KOs.

You clearly said in various replies you were buying the KO MP-10. Buying the KO version is buying the toy.

I'm sure the ruthless bosses who take advantage of the facory workers in those overseas sweatshops by underpaying them & making them work in unsafe conditions appreciate your support.

Rated X wrote:Im not sure I get your guys logic. Some of you guys are cheaper than al bundy

So we get labeled cheap & Al Bundy because we buy different TF toys than you?

Rated X wrote:but against saving money on the overpriced MP line you all love.

Who says the usa Hasbro MP TF line is overpriced? You? Most will agree it's priced right for what your getting.

Rated X wrote:Youre blind loyalty to hasbro is going to Drive you all to the poorhouse.

This doesn't even make sense. As buying KO's & 3rd party toys cost more than Hasbro Usa TF retail toys.

Rated X wrote:Is a KO really that offensive even if its the exact same **** ?

Nobody has any ethics against buying KO's. you seem to overly insist this is what we are talking about in this thread but we are not.

The counter replies you are geting are about your selective memory. Most are wondering why you keep changing your buying habits in every thread you post in.

Rated X wrote:Do you really care about which factory the lump of plastic came from ? Will it make a difference in your life ?

Yes,Factory 50 is better than factory 51,everyone knows this. Factory 50 has all those sexy female ninjas assembling toys. Factory 51 has all those Ogors that smell badly & the odor gets on the toys.

(Sheepishly ducking back in for a moment...)

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Nobody has any ethics against buying KO's.

Um... To be fair... I suppose I might... and hopefully I'm not nobody...

But in my one contribution to this mess (which, admittedly, may have had a hand in getting it rolling) I wasn't trying to say, "Don't buy KO's!" (I may think it quite a lot, but I know saying it is a loosing battle that frankly, I am somewhat weary of.)

Rather, I was just taking offence at a statement to the effect that this particular KO was a need that nobody could deny. Well, I had to disagree. No one positively needs the thing...

I know it was probably just hyperbole, and in the case of Has/Tak or original third party items, I'd have been happy to leave it at that. But I guess it rubbed me the wrong way to see KO's given equivalency with such things as oxygen and food, even if such equivalency was not intended literally.

But of course, since my initial comment on the matter, things steamrolled in a most glorious fashion, thanks in great part to Rated X's usual method of saying whatever supports his current argument, including examples with no logical equivalency (light bulbs and printer ink?), or things that contradict his own statements in other threads.

(Although since what he's on about has nothing to do with my original point, but is more in response to some of the responses to my point, personally, I'm glad that this time I'm at most only indirectly responsible for his usual... What's a good word? Tantrum?)

How about we all just ignore him on the matter, I'll stay away as well, hopefully no one else will equate KO's as an absolute necessity that everyone must agree on, discussion here can return to its intended topic, and we can all live happily ever after?

I'm asking too much here, aren't I? Sigh...

(Ducking back out once more...)

Doing this post from my phone so dont expect a blog this time...from CHMS to the current trend of KO MP figures, theres no denying the KO guys keep getting better and better at their craft. There getting so good at it, im beginning to question whether its the same groups of factory workers making both official toys and the KOs. I really doubt the lowest echelons know who theyre assembling the toys for, they just are given a number needed to complete an order. Seeing how the official molds are being stored in china anyways, who knows whos using them and how much they paid to use them at night when mr. Hasbro is asleep. Whats ironic is that both hasbro and takara base their factories out of china to exploit cheap labor, but they end up getting exploited by the chinese. Maybe if they had pulled out of china years ago, the chinese wouldnt have fine tuned the art of KOing TFs to the point that collectors are spooked with the "buyer beware" creeps. But no, has/tak had to have their cake and eat it too, so KOs thrive and get better and better. From car parts, to electronics, to breakfast cereals, tto TFs, everything gets KOed. You guys might be wiping your ass with KO charmin from walmart. KOs are all around you guys. So the next time you criticize KO TFs go open your kitchen cabinet or the hood of your car BEFORE you open your mouth with all that ethical BS about theft from has/tak. I would bet my life you purchased a KO in one form or another...

KO companies are just as big business as any name brand. Only they don't pay the original creators for their work. It's fine if that means nothing to anyone; they aren't your friends and these are just toys. But I don't feel like KOs deserve such passionate defence.

Oookay. Ignoring the entire page of arguments, terrible comparisons, and what I'm charitably going to call personal attacks, I ordered one of these about a week and a half ago. The sellers restock shipment is running behind but I'm getting one fast-tracked as soon as he gets it in stock and I'll do a full review on it when I get it in hand. Maybe even a video one if no one else has beaten me to it.

zodconvoy wrote:Oookay. Ignoring the entire page of arguments, terrible comparisons, and what I'm charitably going to call personal attacks, I ordered one of these about a week and a half ago. The sellers restock shipment is running behind but I'm getting one fast-tracked as soon as he gets it in stock and I'll do a full review on it when I get it in hand. Maybe even a video one if no one else has beaten me to it.

I suspose the million dollar questions are.

How much did it cost without shipping?

How much was shipping fees?

What does this comes with? main toy? box? weapons? accessories? trailer?

who is the seller & do you have a link to his site?

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

zodconvoy wrote:Oookay. Ignoring the entire page of arguments, terrible comparisons, and what I'm charitably going to call personal attacks, I ordered one of these about a week and a half ago. The sellers restock shipment is running behind but I'm getting one fast-tracked as soon as he gets it in stock and I'll do a full review on it when I get it in hand. Maybe even a video one if no one else has beaten me to it.

I suspose the million dollar questions are.

How much did it cost without shipping?

How much was shipping fees?

What does this comes with? main toy? box? weapons? accessories? trailer?

who is the seller & do you have a link to his site?

$109.99

$9.99

Box, bot, gun, ax, Matrix, instruction booklet, filecard. Everything but the trailer and Roller.

Here's his eBay shop.

zodconvoy wrote:$109.99

$9.99

Box, bot, gun, ax, Matrix, instruction booklet, filecard. Everything but the trailer and Roller.

It is early, and I'm not quite awake perhaps. But did I read that correctly? Because that sounds like about what the cost of the domestic version of this toy was. And that came with the trailer and Roller. Call me crazy, but I thought part of the point of knock-offs was that they were supposed to be cheaper alternatives to official products?

Yotsuyasan wrote:

zodconvoy wrote:$109.99

$9.99

Box, bot, gun, ax, Matrix, instruction booklet, filecard. Everything but the trailer and Roller.

It is early, and I'm not quite awake perhaps. But did I read that correctly? Because that sounds like about what the cost of the domestic version of this toy was. And that came with the trailer and Roller. Call me crazy, but I thought part of the point of knock-offs was that they were supposed to be cheaper alternatives to official products?

Unfortunately these days with the popularity of collecting TFs and the scalping going on, KOs that pop up once the stock of the original product are nowhere to be found except on the secondary market for double retail end up listing for absurd prices. It's the same with the KO seekers and KO Classics Prime molds.

xyl360 wrote:Unfortunately these days with the popularity of collecting TFs and the scalping going on, KOs that pop up once the stock of the original product are nowhere to be found except on the secondary market for double retail end up listing for absurd prices. It's the same with the KO seekers and KO Classics Prime molds.

Well, as far as the Seekers go, as those are the only KO's I've ever (somewhat hypocritically, I'll admit -- although the six main ones are all official toys!) included in my Classics collection, I'll have to concede that point. Even when they were on, "Oh my God, Hasbro noticed us! Quick, get rid of all of this ****!" sale, they weren't inexpensive.

But they do still qualify for another definition of cheap...








Ah well, served me right for that one time slip-up in my usual ardent anti-KO stance!