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Burn wrote:Had they not banned you would you have still called Hasbro US?
alternator77 wrote:sounds like another case of i trolled, i provoked, i got banned im sorry that youre frustrated but by your own admission you joined in the hopes of getting a ko or at least were considering one.
this thread is really going nowhere and this is my last post on it.
good night everyone.
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:The issue here would be the kind of KOs where you can't tell from pictures that's it's a KO, but is still pretty inferior to the real deal. Not the 3rd party stuff (at least for most). NONE of the products you listed would really count (except, maybe, Henkei Skywarp if it was sold out of package).
Thoughts on that? Or just more moonshine?
Gauntlet101010 wrote:The issue here would be the kind of KOs where you can't tell from pictures that's it's a KO, but is still pretty inferior to the real deal. Not the 3rd party stuff (at least for most). NONE of the products you listed would really count (except, maybe, Henkei Skywarp if it was sold out of package).
Thoughts on that? Or just more moonshine?
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
vaporretarder wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:The issue here would be the kind of KOs where you can't tell from pictures that's it's a KO, but is still pretty inferior to the real deal. Not the 3rd party stuff (at least for most). NONE of the products you listed would really count (except, maybe, Henkei Skywarp if it was sold out of package).
Thoughts on that? Or just more moonshine?
I'm just a dude, that works a Bullcrap job for slightly more than bullcrap wages, who has two beautiful holy terrors of children, and a mortgage and all that crap,...if my wife lets my testes out of the purse once in a while I'll get to add to my collection,..and yes, sometimes that means getting a KO at a cheaper price....I don't see my original fortress maximus from my childhood or the omega supreme i have paying my retirement in 40 to 70 years as the case may be....so what's the harm? eh? nada. zilche, zero.
oh, and of course moonshine doesn't hurt either
Court Jester wrote:Dude, most of us are dudes like you. Just dudes.
And, there will be more KO outlets. Probably even more people passing off KO's as originals.
Which is the point I was getting at... amusing, ain't it?
Court Jester wrote:So let the investors spend $3,000 on a few official transformers and keep 'em mint in sealed box. If the killing off of one e.tailer let's them rest their heads better at night, sweet!
The rest of us will find the alternative(s). It's just a shame we might have to go through some shenanigans to end up right back where we started.
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
fenrir72 wrote:I remember that sneaky move DM. Soooooooooo stupid of 'em. Give the fans the real stuff and them K.O.'s will wither in the vine
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Bowspearer wrote:fenrir72 wrote:I remember that sneaky move DM. Soooooooooo stupid of 'em. Give the fans the real stuff and them K.O.'s will wither in the vine
Which wouldn't be that difficult to do either. They could easily determine what people want in terms of reissues by allowing people to have input online.
From those mentioned, it should be fairly easy to come up with a shortlist of say, 50 and have people vote on the top 5 or top 10 to reissue.
If retailers didn't want to play ball then Hasbro could offer them directly by having Hasbrotoyshop.com offer them internationally, or in the case of Takara (who wouldn't have an issue anyway) the likes of HLJ.
It honestly surprises me that this level of fan consultation hasn't already been done, for the simple fact that it makes good business sense.
fenrir72 wrote:@Burn
Just got late in the discussion but, you were sold a K.O. Ratchet packaged as an Encore? heck, where I hail from, Encore Ratchet is like shelf warming.........
Tidalwavex wrote:paragraph 1--this wouldn't work. because on-line fans don't play fair. recent example is erector. most on-line fans would literally register a billion times & try to vote a billion times. some are selfish & will try to dominate the voting polls. with on-line fan polls fairness is the last thing they care about. as long as they cheat by voting a billion times via different registered names that's all they care about.
Tidalwavex wrote:paragraph 2--are we referring to takara's japan based releases? or hasbro's usa based releases? takara releases what they can if the master molds haven't degradded.
Tidalwavex wrote:hasbro will never take the lead & release reissues in america that takara never released. with reissues hasbro rides takaras coat tails & lets takara do all the hard work.
Tidalwavex wrote:paragraph 3---Hasbro would never pay all those high packaging cost to repackage all the takara reissues in brand new american language hasbro boxes.
Tidalwavex wrote:then only sell them on the hasbro.com web site in limited volume units. the cost of repacking for small volume units would make Hasbro owe money & being in the red.
Tidalwavex wrote:paragrapgh 3 continued---why bother having a limited run in eglish hasbro packaging or selling straight up japanese takara reissues packaging on Hasbro.com. these things are a collectors market products. anyone who wants them knows where to order them on-line like bbts.com,ebay,amazon.com,captured prey,import shops in their areas,hljcom,etc.....
Tidalwavex wrote:paragraph 4----fan consultation with hasro has been in the works for years. TFCC/Fun pub is running a team where their ideas & only their ideas get put out their. hence the botcon toys & club toys. TFCC/FUN PUB has over 50+crew & elite fans that decide for the majority based on their selfish needs./desires what repaints/remolds they want done as botcon convention toys/club toys.
Tidalwavex wrote:no,i don't want anymore fan consultations. because a group of fans get together & get their desires/dreams in toy form without asking what the majority wants. its all about being selfish & king fan of the fandom.
Tidalwavex wrote:hasbro already consults tfcc/fun pub crew members & asks input on retail released tf toy ideas. most fans could care less what everyone wants,they just care what they want.
Tidalwavex wrote:AGAIN,Online polls is a bad idea,fans cheat,they register a billion times & vote a billion times. example erector.voting is not fair because some are selfish,have more free time & try to cheat.
consulting more fans would result in more cheating type groups/rings. where certain fans get their ideas/stuff made,don't care what the majority wants. then those fans walk around the fandom like their better than others. NO thanks.........
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Counterpunch wrote:When Japanese runs of rare figures are made, they are in the 1200 - 5000 unit range. The prices are always 2x to 3x retail cost for these when sponsored by a site or show. The Henkei seekers were made to order and were 4x-5x retail cost.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Bowspearer wrote:Right after I was banned, I then looked up their IP address and hosting details and contacted their hosting company by email about them,which I never heard back from. I was also considering contacting Hasbro by phone.
When they announced pre-orders for Slamdance and Squawkbox though I took it an extra step and called Hasbro US from Australia in the middle of the night (I had to wait until after midnight to reach them during business hours) to report them.
fenrir72 wrote:@ Burn
The Encore Ratchet re-issue QC, is indeed kind of meeeh. Is it possible for you to post the ebay seller name(if it came from ebay)?
If this info is accurate, God Ginrai was said to be over produced (over saturation?)
Encore Skywarp and TT are said to shelf warm (so maybe the reason for the limited run sponsorship of the henkei releases of the two?)and yet Starscream sells like hotcakes? No wonder Takara/Tomy ain't touching Ramjet and Thrust
Star Convoy also shelf warmed(?), but the reason may have been(speculation on my part) Takara not following up on the other Battlestars( Grandus cough, cough)
Stepper (Another surprising shelf warmer) I got one, excellent re-issue with a lot of improvements to the mold(so not a lazy re-issue)
Devastar(from what I gather, he is all but sold out in online stores in Japan) but again,Takara shot itself in the foot with another QC issue concerning Mixmaster. They never learn.
Tidalwavex wrote:bowspeaer,i'm replying to a few things you wrote in your last reply.
1-your idea of hasbro or other coroprate companies checking nntp or ip addresses everytime everyone does a on-line poll. HAS FAULT BECAUSE iphones/itouch & similar mobile devices have firewalls+decoders+scrambler software that allows the user of the device to hide his nntp or ip address.
1a-just a contiunation on your first idea. EXAMPLE: not on this seibertron.com forum but elsewhere--currently the transformers internet forums is being over run by some users who use iphone/touch & similar devices. were currently having this problem on 3 other transformers groups i post to on-line. where users are creating hundreds of newbie accounts. these fake users are creating newbie accounts to troll,curse,act perverted & to flame bait. their sole purpose is to ruin threads. I got a few email from other sites from mods/admins advising me of this problem.
Tidalwavex wrote:2--hasbro will never take the lead & do reissues that takara didn't already release. it makes zero sense for me to explain why. when the average TF fan knows the answer. just a quickie answer. hasbro is too cheap & they save money. by letting takara spend the money+labor finding & fixing the master molds. then letting takara test the master molds. then letting takara set up the assembly line equipments & train the workers to use the equipment. Hasbro saves money by letting takara do all this then swooping in & not paying for any of this. if hasbro took the lead then they'd have to pay for everything takara did that i mentioned above.
Yotsuyasan wrote:However, that being said, I must admit that, like a vulture, I could not help but pick at their corpse a bit for some seekers to fill out my Decepticon ranks. None of the main six, mind you. I will only have the official Hasbro ones for them, thank you. But I do have a set of rainmakers, a set of three purple generics, a Sunstorm, and a black seeker on the way.
It Is Him wrote:Could you share these phone numbers with us? I think a lot of us would take advantage of this contact info, knowing now that this seems to work.
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
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