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Bowspearer wrote:At the risk of turning myself into a pariah in the fandom again, I have a confession to make. After I got banned from KO Toys' forums for voicing concerns over there being no intentionally built in differences between the KO Dino cassettes they were making and the genuine article, I did an IP check and found out their website was hosted in the US. About a week and a half ago, I used the international minutes on my mobile to report them the Hasbro, including giving them their IP address, hosting company (which is based in Michigan) and website address. Looks like they acted pretty swiftly on this one.
Some people might hate me for this, but I'm proud of what I did and I'd do it again. Contrary to their claims, KO Toys were giving scammers cart blanche to pass off fakes as genuine G1 Toys, which has even proven true in at least one eBay auction for the Dino Cassettes.
HasTak certainly need to get better with their reissues, and there's certainly a market for access to these molds. However if someone is genuinely about "filling gaps" then this needs to be done in such a way that scammers can't rip people off in the process.
Counterpunch wrote:Geekee1 wrote:And here's where I'm going to say a very unpopular sentiment. If you can't afford a figure that you want, tough ****! There are plenty of figures that I want for my collection but can't afford, too bad for me. I am in no way entitled to any of them and neither are you. Suck it up.
Word.
amcgrath929 wrote:Counterpunch wrote:Geekee1 wrote:And here's where I'm going to say a very unpopular sentiment. If you can't afford a figure that you want, tough ****! There are plenty of figures that I want for my collection but can't afford, too bad for me. I am in no way entitled to any of them and neither are you. Suck it up.
Word.
I couldn't agree with this more. Are we seriously that spoiled?
I also get slightly annoyed with the "KOToys gave me a choice" argument. When Hasbro puts a figure out, you have a choice. Whether it is $10 or $300, you have a choice. If its out of your price range, budget your money and buy it when you can afford it. It's crazy how that works.
zodconvoy wrote:So I have a bit of a rush to pick up the KO Reflector. 'kay, good to know.
Whoa, this turned personal really fast. Tends to happen when Deathywave20X6 or whatever it's going to be next is around. Weird...
Tidalwavex wrote:BTW,It's extremly selfish to hate kotoys because they made ko toys out of exspensive tf toys that you own.
Tidalwavex wrote:it's a selfish act because other fans deserve the right to buy these ko's TF toys for much cheaper prices.
not everyone wants to nor can afford the high secondary prices for the liscensed TF toys.
Tidalwavex wrote:who cares if tf fans with exspensive stuff get their stuff devalued because of reissues,ko's or re-releases.
Tidalwavex wrote:I don't care,i love it when this happens. THESE ARE TOYS THAT ARE MEANT TO BE ENJOYED BY AS MANY AS POSSIBLE. not by only a select few. These tf toys were never meant to make others jealous or to make others pay beyond high secondary prices.
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Autobot032 wrote:If you're paying $300.00 for a toy, that's crazy too. Legit or KO, $300.00 is just flat out crazy. Some of you might have disposable income, which $300.00 still seems exorbitant, but most don't. Even then...they still find a way to spend through the nose over some toys. No thanks.
Tidalwavex wrote:all i did was state my opinion,in a polite & respectful manner. it's not my style to insult anyone nor do i call members here insult names nor curses. i prefer to treat members here with repect & dignity. because were all transformers fans & we all deserve respect no matter how different our opinions may be.
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Bowspearer wrote:Autobot032 wrote:If you're paying $300.00 for a toy, that's crazy too. Legit or KO, $300.00 is just flat out crazy. Some of you might have disposable income, which $300.00 still seems exorbitant, but most don't. Even then...they still find a way to spend through the nose over some toys. No thanks.
Any more crazy than a "grown adult" being the fan of "a child's plaything"?
Yes, we're all fans here, including you (otherwise why would you be here) and as such, those sorts of numbers as a fan, are justifiable to the fan mindset.
When I bought my sealed set of Diaclone Powerdashers and my sealed set of Godmasters; I didn't have $200 in disposable income- I simply saved and went without other things (nothing essential like board or travel expenses) to make it happen.
Declaring that as crazy in a place like this is throwing the proverbial stone in the proverbial glass house.Tidalwavex wrote:all i did was state my opinion,in a polite & respectful manner. it's not my style to insult anyone nor do i call members here insult names nor curses. i prefer to treat members here with repect & dignity. because were all transformers fans & we all deserve respect no matter how different our opinions may be.
Actually what you did was defend a "victimless crime" (which btw is an oxymoron), and accuse one of the victims of it (at least one other person here also wanted Slamdance/Beastbox too or has been caught out by these fakes) of being selfish. So you were rather insulting, by accusing myself and others of being so vain, jealous and selfish that we can't possibly bear the thought of others owning the same rare piece that we do- simply false.
Furthermore your entire argument for it was the antithesis of reason and logic. In fact I could take every single one of your posts I was responding to and when quoting them, replace what you had said with the words "pure fallacy".
The problem is that there is no such thing as a victimless crime. With theft, "someone can probably afford it". With home invasion "it's their own fault for not being more careful". It escalates further and further, to the point of fashion sense when you get to the point of rape and "justifiable homicide" regardless of how much of an act of self-defence the killing actually was.
Ethically speaking (and I expect those who are incapable of grasping this concept to quote Godwin's Law here), there is no difference between a small "victimless crime" and when you get upto things like genocide and "ethnic clensing", besides the level of dehumanisation.
In every single case, you are dehumanising the person to some extent. At the lowest rungs, you start out at the human right to own property with theft. The level of dehumanisation increases with the crime, until you reach complete dehumanisation with the crimes of genocide and "ethnic cleansing".
In short, the moment there is a crime of some kind, someone always gets hurt and there is always a victim.
Tidalwavex wrote:those botcon attendees who make profits off botcon convention & club toys from my perspective deserve to have their stuff devalued by kotoys. because no fan deserves to pay double nor tripple for botcon convention or club toys on the secondary market.
SORRY,Having the only option of paying secondary profit prices for botcon toys is not the adult mature & morally right thing to do. supporting these botcon profit guys is not something I nor others are willing to do.
i'd throw away $1,000 dollars down the drain or shred a $1,000 dollars in a paper shredder. instead of handing over a $1,000 to these botcon profit guys for botcon toys. i'd rather see these botcon profit guys over buy the items & forever get stuck with them,no one buys them & they hoarde the toys forever.
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
RodimalToyota wrote:Well it's about time. That's what happens when you sell Copyright and trademark infringements. I don't care who you are, or what your opinion is about KO toys.
It's illegal, and it's wrong.
And to back up what others have said already.
If you can't afford a toy, tough ****.
If toys are that important to you that you buy counterfeit / stolen property because you can't afford the original piece. You need a life, and a therapist.
Hasbro has the right to defend it's Copyrights and Trademarks aggressively. KO is the first to go. Keep bitching and complaining, and Hasbro will stop playing ball with the 3rd party companies.
Just because it's original molds, doesn't make it any less illegal.
Exgraver and Heavy Labor looks enough like the original characters that it would be infringement. For some reason Hasbro has let these guys continue. So let's back the guys actually doing the work, and stop buying from people like KO who just replicate, and counterfeit TF toys, regardless of age.
RodimalToyota wrote:Just because it's original molds, doesn't make it any less illegal.
Exgraver and Heavy Labor looks enough like the original characters that it would be infringement. For some reason Hasbro has let these guys continue. So let's back the guys actually doing the work, and stop buying from people like KO who just replicate, and counterfeit TF toys, regardless of age.
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Nemesis Destron wrote:Whoa with tensions looking high I'm surprised this thread hasn't been shut down....yet. So besides ebay is there any other site that deals in heavy or few KO's? The only beef I have is when seller's try to dump KO's on unknowing buyer's and selling it for something it is not!
Court Jester wrote:I find it amusing that several people believe that this will herald the total eradication of knock offs of Hasbro products world wide; making it easier to not run into a bad deal at conventions, online auction sites, or e.tailers - so your investment remains valid...
What nonsensical logic.
I've read so much minutiae about Mike and Kate. There is so much "I heard this..." and "Since [insert popular forum poster ID here] said that they're drug addicts and bad people, screw them... not my money".
Which is completely fine. But, I remember when the majority of us just didn't care about the business side. At one time, the majority of us just cared about the toys, and not spreading rumor, profiteer hoarding (read: scalping), or slinging mud at each other. Fandoms, it seems, change.
However, when it comes to 3rd party products, realize that these same creators come from the same perspective as the good people (IMHO) at KOToys; providing things they would've made for themselves (via mass production and assembly lines available to them) to the fans willing to spend their money on the product.
I am not Hasbro, not their target audience, am not concerned with the "official" stamp of approval, and am not a stock holder. I'm merely a dork that still collects toys that I think are fantastic. I owe Hasbro nothing that exact moment I plunk down that paper currency.
I know several of you won't care when I say I've had a great time with the KOToys community, and will continue to support their services -in whatever form they take on- going forward.
To everyone else, enjoy your Botcon exclu$ives, I know eventually I will too.
There will be several out there who want to nitpick this post, which is their right... please excuse my nonchalance.
Court Jester wrote:I find it amusing that several people believe that this will herald the total eradication of knock offs of Hasbro products world wide; making it easier to not run into a bad deal at conventions, online auction sites, or e.tailers - so your investment remains valid...
What nonsensical logic.
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
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