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A big impressive number is still a big impressive number.o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I mean, it's not like the G1 cartoon didn't already get ninety-doggone-eight episodes to begin with.
But as you so famously point out, Rescue Bots got 104![]()
Except that, unlike G2's reruns, the "Season 5" reruns included brand new narrative content (however little it was) at the beginning and end of each episode that carried on after the fourth season.o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Plus a full bonus season of "best of" episodes.
All re-runs, so those don't count, you might as well throw in G2 if that's the point you are trying to make
And that's their fault.o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Plus THREE additional full-length sequel series from Japan.
You know of anyone here, how much I really enjoy the Japanese shows. For *ME*, I truly do see them as seasons 5-7 of the original show, especially since I've known about them all along, it wasn't something I just discovered much later (Thanks to a Japanese exchange student in my class in 1988). But most fans don't see it that way, they simply see them as this quirky little *other* thing that mostly gets ignored.
Gundam has simply been treated with more seriousness and respect over in Japan than Transformers has been, in Japan or elsewhere. Only with the first live action movie did mainstream audiences anywhere finally begin to look at Transformers on a more serious level, but then the sequels had to go and muck up any respect that the first movie had garnered for the brand. Gundam, in Japan at least, didn't have that problem.o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Man, some G1 cartoon fans really have no idea how spoiled they've been by the stuff that's already been made for them.
I'll go back and make the same comparison I've made Ad nauseam. In japan the Mobile Suit Gundam Frnchise had a tight singular continuity spanning several series and movies until 1994. Mobile Fighter G Gundam was the first departure from this, and established a multi-universal Gundam continuity. From this point on, several new continuities were established, but the original "UC" (Universal Century) timeline is still returned to every so often, and those series/films are highly acclaimed.
RiD did that, not Car Robots. Car Robots alluded to stuff from both JG1 and JBW. Armada/Micron Densetsu was Japan's first openly new continuity restart.o.supreme wrote:With Transformers its a bit different, but if you include BW & BM (and BWII/Neo in Japan), which were later folded to be in each countries respective original continuity, things all existed in the same universe until 2000. Car Robots (RiD), was the first departure from this, and established, in TF animation, a multi-universal Transformers continuity.
Fun Pub did (in a way that they were allowed to) with the Wings Universe material. The BotCon 2010 story Generation 2: Redux even began with a recapping of events that transpired shortly after The Rebirth leading up to the story's present day events.o.supreme wrote:Now since then, many other continuities have been established, but not ONCE has an attempt been made to return to the original series timeline, which was left open ended (Like the UC Gundam timeline).
Honestly, the way The Rebirth ended as is was pretty standard for how most 80s cartoons that got legit finales ended. The bad guys pull off one final grand scheme to end it all for good, the good guys overcome the impossible odds before them to stop this doomsday, a great celebratory victory is had for the good guys with a new age of peace coming about, and all the bad guys who were beaten are sent into retreat to never be heard from again even if they spout their usual rhetoric of swearing revenge.o.supreme wrote:Most other TF continuities have had full resolution, which is why the desire to return to the original burns so strong in me. Not IDW, nor Machinima's cut-rate series even come close. The closest things we've had was the Devastation Video game (which was brilliant). I'm not saying we need to return to it always and forever, but just something, anything. It works well in Japan. Kids who weren't even alive 30-40 years ago don't lament when a new chapter in the UC series is added. Nor should anyone frown on a return to the original TF continuity. There will always be plenty of new adventures (The Movie Franchise, comics, Cyberverse etc...) to captivate and reel in new interest. All I'm saying is, throw us life-long fans an appreciative (in the form of animation specifically, not talking toys or comics) bone somewhere.
Heh, with as much ease as they killed three combiners, maybe Overlord and Rodimus Cron killed him too offscreen.o.supreme wrote:Now the actual reason why I came here this morning. I tortured myself yesterday and went back and watched the last episode of TR to make sure I wasn't missing something. So....Where's Fort Max? He was alive and well, and we all know how much machinima wants to get full use out of it's characters. Heck I'm surprised they didn't resurrect Metroplex & Trypticon for no good reason at the end of TR. IRL I know Michael Dorn is not attached to this project, so Fort Max will most likely not be in it (unless his voice was recast?), but...you would think an active Titan could be pretty useful against any threat that's not a Prime.
You do know that Japan released The Headmasters before America released The Rebirth, right? Japan's show came first.Ultra Markus wrote:yeah the 3 Japanese series were fun and cool but it deviated from the American side of the story like an alternate earth like how SG is from another alternate earth
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Heh, with as much ease as they killed three combiners, maybe Overlord and Rodimus Cron killed him too offscreen.o.supreme wrote:Now the actual reason why I came here this morning. I tortured myself yesterday and went back and watched the last episode of TR to make sure I wasn't missing something. So....Where's Fort Max? He was alive and well, and we all know how much machinima wants to get full use out of it's characters. Heck I'm surprised they didn't resurrect Metroplex & Trypticon for no good reason at the end of TR. IRL I know Michael Dorn is not attached to this project, so Fort Max will most likely not be in it (unless his voice was recast?), but...you would think an active Titan could be pretty useful against any threat that's not a Prime.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
It sure feels like it's not too long after.ZeroWolf wrote:Actually I may have missed it but have they said if this follows on straight after Titan Returns or is there some time? I mean have they left Prime's body there for someone else to clean up?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeroWolf wrote:Actually I may have missed it but have they said if this follows on straight after Titan Returns or is there some time? I mean have they left Prime's body there for someone else to clean up?
Sabrblade wrote:It sure feels like it's not too long after.ZeroWolf wrote:Actually I may have missed it but have they said if this follows on straight after Titan Returns or is there some time? I mean have they left Prime's body there for someone else to clean up?
Like o.supreme said, Victorion mentioned that they ought to be dealing with Optimus Prime's funeral, a complaint that would be most appropriate for her to make towards the start of her group's journey. And Menasor telling Overlord that Megatron said something about heading to the Primal Swamp (where the others are currently still at) sounds like the swamp was the first location the group went to on their journey. Said journey was also just getting started in the last episode of TR, and in the last scene of that episode, we saw Overlord and Rodimus Cron arrive at what looks to be the same place where they are at when they're killing the other three combiners in episode 2 of Potpie.ZeroWolf wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It sure feels like it's not too long after.ZeroWolf wrote:Actually I may have missed it but have they said if this follows on straight after Titan Returns or is there some time? I mean have they left Prime's body there for someone else to clean up?
This is going to sound like a stretch as we've seen that they can't handle continuity between scenes in one episode, but any lack of continuity in between the last ep of titans return and the first ep of potp could have been solved with just one line of text somewhere on screen...just saying: one week later or the cybertronian equivalent. That's all it would have took.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
You do know that Japan released The Headmasters before America released The Rebirth, right? Japan's show came first.[/quote]Ultra Markus wrote:yeah the 3 Japanese series were fun and cool but it deviated from the American side of the story like an alternate earth like how SG is from another alternate earth
Ultra Markus wrote:You do know that Japan released The Headmasters before America released The Rebirth, right? Japan's show came first.Ultra Markus wrote:yeah the 3 Japanese series were fun and cool but it deviated from the American side of the story like an alternate earth like how SG is from another alternate earth
yeah so, it still doesnt change the fact that its a different story which i was getting at
ZeroWolf wrote:My apologies to those who like this.
ZeroWolf wrote:I found the rebirth very lacking, and the whole Daniel/arcee thing which got very weird there. Plus I always thought what the Japanese did with the headmasters made more sense. It would have been interesting to see what they did with the pretenders in the cartoon if rebirth hadn't killed it. Ah well now I can say I have watched something worse than rebirth...this seriesMy apologies to those who like this.
That was just one single obscure comic issue released years later via BotCon. That doesn't equate to anything that "went on in the comics for a while", especially since, of all the comics produced prior to that point, it was those published by Marvel that were considered the comics for Transformers back then, and neither Arcee nor Daniel even existed in those comics outside of the Marvel adaptation of TFTM (which is out of continuity with the main Marvel comics anyway) and a handful of UK-only issues that were still considered obscure even back then (and in which Arcee and Daniel never even interacted with each other).Ultra Markus wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I found the rebirth very lacking, and the whole Daniel/arcee thing which got very weird there. Plus I always thought what the Japanese did with the headmasters made more sense. It would have been interesting to see what they did with the pretenders in the cartoon if rebirth hadn't killed it. Ah well now I can say I have watched something worse than rebirth...this seriesMy apologies to those who like this.
That whole Daniel/Arcee thing went on in the comics for a while and when Daneiel died it was devastating to Arcee so much that she went into a deep depression for a long time
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Burn wrote:HEY! ASSHATS WHO DON'T FOLLOW A STAFF MEMBERS DIRECTIONS!
YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD TWICE NOW TO STAY ON TOPIC, AND THAT TOPIC IS MACHINIMAS POWER OF THE PRIMES CARTOON!
Any further discussion that is NOT related to said topic will be met with warnings.
Ultra Markus wrote:Sorry sir, but you never warned me about anything
It seems to me like it was Machinima who reached out to Hasbro about doing a TF cartoon/TF cartoons, who gave Machinima the OK to do so so long as they were based on the Prime Wars Trilogy toylines' lore, with Machinima then outsourcing the animation to Tatsunoko Production to animate the American scripts, only with Machinima putting in the barest minimum of effort in their delusions of grandeur to give us their half-baked "Game of Thrones of animation".ZeroWolf wrote:If I understand the situation correctly, did hasbro seek out machinima to do these cartoons, who then outsourced the animation duties to Tatsunoko productions? So is this similar to the original g1 then that it's Japan animating American scripts? I'm just trying to figure out how the pipeline of this is working out.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
The thing a lot of people don't realize about the Justice League: Gods and Monsters Chronicles is that Machinima was just the main distributor for that series. The people who actually made it were all people from DC Entertainment, Warner Bros. Animation, and Blue Ribbon Content. Machinima's involvement in that series extended no further than they're being the company who simply got to air it on their YouTube channel before its reaching all other distribution outlets.ZeroWolf wrote:I wonder if they were swayed by the work machinima did for DC on their gods and monsters mini series? Well unless there's glowing reviews elsewhere of these series, I can't see hasbro wanting any more...but I've been (very) wrong before.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ultraimpossibleman wrote:Grand innacurration and heavy mistakes !
Diem wrote:This is exactly the kind of nonsense I'm here for.
Still without Megatron, the team must now fend off both Volcanicus and Predaking. Meanwhile, Megatronus arrives at the Well of Sparks to forge a new device that will help him accomplish his nefarious plan.
ultraimpossibleman wrote:Grand innacurration and heavy mistakes !
Diem wrote:This is exactly the kind of nonsense I'm here for.
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