The Energon Pub

[D-Maximal_Primal]

MPs are indeed not meant to be transformed multiple times unless you have deep pockets.

My MP-SG Prime would like a word with that statement. His T-cog is well used and yet no issues. Unless you meant an over complex MP is not meant to be transformed more than a few times

[Hellscream9999]

It was one of the mushroom pegs that makes up his shoulder, but he also has a tiny tab the folds into his actual shoulder joint, but, yes, these are all due to turning into a compact form like megs.

Sometime, the overcomplexity of a fig is indeed the downfall unintended consequences during the design process.

MPs are indeed not meant to be transformed multiple times unless you have deep pockets.

It's more due to stress from overly tight joints, if they were a sliver looser, it'd be fine, it's not like they don't tab together in both modes, dunno why they have to be so tight

[fenrir72]

MPs are indeed not meant to be transformed multiple times unless you have deep pockets.

My MP-SG Prime would like a word with that statement. His T-cog is well used and yet no issues. Unless you meant an over complex MP is not meant to be transformed more than a few times

MP-10 design rulez! Convoy has the advantage as his mode is a truck which is bulky. Megs gun mode (complex internal mechanism) and Cheetas (skinny parts) then focusing on animation appearance near accuracy....recipe for you know what!That and the lack of die-cast parts on those connecting joints

[william-james88]

MPs are indeed not meant to be transformed multiple times unless you have deep pockets.

While that may be today's reality, I still disagree with it and find that to be the wrong attitude to have. Wheeljack, MP 10, the casettes, Soundwave, Bumblebee, Shockwave those are just some examples of very solid toys that I can keep transforming again and again. Even Hot Rodimus, which surprised me since I thought some joint pieces were quite small, is very solid. Its just the chrome part that wears off, but it does even if you just touch him to pose him for a photo, so its not a flaw related to the transformation.

If I am going to spend this much money, I am hoping to experience the genius of the transformation. If not, why bother, right? We could just get one of those non transforming ones.

Takara has proven in the past that they are truly the masters by giving us gorgeous MP toys that were also durable adn inviting to transform. And I have enjoyed countelss hours of transforming them and marvelling at them. These toys are meant to be transformed, that is the core of their existence.

[Overcracker]

MPs are indeed not meant to be transformed multiple times unless you have deep pockets.

While that may be today's reality, I still disagree with it and find that to be the wrong attitude to have. Wheeljack, MP 10, the casettes, Soundwave, Bumblebee, Shockwave those are just some examples of very solid toys that I can keep transforming again and again. Even Hot Rodimus, which surprised me since I thought some joint pieces were quite small, is very solid. Its just the chrome part that wears off, but it does even if you just touch him to pose him for a photo, so its not a flaw related to the transformation.

If I am going to spend this much money, I am hoping to experience the genius of the transformation. If not, why bother, right? We could just get one of those non transforming ones.

Takara has proven in the past that they are truly the masters by giving us gorgeous MP toys that were also durable adn inviting to transform. And I have enjoyed countelss hours of transforming them and marvelling at them. These toys are meant to be transformed, that is the core of their existence.

I have to agree with WJ. Lambor, and even Hot Rod are quite transformable and do not feel fragile at all. Same goes for Optimus Primal. Tracks and Cheetor are on the finnickier side of it, but I still feel they can take transformations just fine.

I see no point in transformers, even MPs if you cannot transform them as much as you would like too.

[fenrir72]

MPs are indeed not meant to be transformed multiple times unless you have deep pockets.

While that may be today's reality, I still disagree with it and find that to be the wrong attitude to have. Wheeljack, MP 10, the casettes, Soundwave, Bumblebee, Shockwave those are just some examples of very solid toys that I can keep transforming again and again. Even Hot Rodimus, which surprised me since I thought some joint pieces were quite small, is very solid. Its just the chrome part that wears off, but it does even if you just touch him to pose him for a photo, so its not a flaw related to the transformation.

If I am going to spend this much money, I am hoping to experience the genius of the transformation. If not, why bother, right? We could just get one of those non transforming ones.

Takara has proven in the past that they are truly the masters by giving us gorgeous MP toys that were also durable adn inviting to transform. And I have enjoyed countelss hours of transforming them and marvelling at them. These toys are meant to be transformed, that is the core of their existence.

Sometime, the overcomplexity of a fig is indeed the downfall unintended consequences during the design process.

MPs are indeed not meant to be transformed multiple times unless you have deep pockets.

You only quoted a portion of my statement. See the bold. Comparing WJ to Megs is like comparing apples to an avocado.

The over complex ones are really not meant to be transformed multiple times. Unless you've got deep pockets. (MP05 of mine has never been transformed)

As of my previous exchanges with Screamer, I am naught blind to Takara's shortcomings. Cheetas may not be over complex (might be subjective to the owner) but may be in need of metal part joints to increase durability.Those breakage reports on Megs and the chipping of paints? I already have a practical answer to them in my previous posts.

Megs, in all forms is a walking heartbreak waiting to happen with all the folding etc etc. Would changing that recent reported part breakage part to die-cast help avoid it? I am not waiting to find out.

'cause I've already accepted that these products are Noooooooooooot perfect (unless it's those Fix configuration Metal Composite Gundams by Bandai.....those are PERFECTION ). Not gonna complain too 'cause I'm addicted to Takara's plastic crack

I am not transforming my fig. I'll leave it up to chuckdawg and the others I get to watch the frustration sans the hear ache.

[Ironhidensh]

MPs are indeed not meant to be transformed multiple times unless you have deep pockets.

Transforming is the entire point. I transform ALL of my MP figures, both 3rd party and official, at least twice a month, if not more. Zero issues, until Grapple.

Again, transforming is the entire point. What the hell is the point if a $200 transformer, if it isn't safe to transform? Please answer me that.

[SureShot18]

This shouldn't be the case for everyone in regards to breakage. I transformed my Cheetor well over five times in the course of a few weeks and used the joint numerous times. I could see if the joint was tighter then it might be worse but I have no breakage.

[fenrir72]

MPs are indeed not meant to be transformed multiple times unless you have deep pockets.

Transforming is the entire point. I transform ALL of my MP figures, both 3rd party and official, at least twice a month, if not more. Zero issues, until Grapple.

Again, transforming is the entire point. What the hell is the point if a $200 transformer, if it isn't safe to transform? Please answer me that.[/quot

My answer is, like a moth to the flame. You already know you gonna get Burned so what will you do? You already know it gonna hurt and still?

Do a Lisa Simpson? Btw I thought you loved Grapple and despised Inferno? Another change of heart? This is soooooooooo confusing IHD

[Bumblebee21]

MPs are indeed not meant to be transformed multiple times unless you have deep pockets.

Transforming is the entire point. I transform ALL of my MP figures, both 3rd party and official, at least twice a month, if not more. Zero issues, until Grapple.

Again, transforming is the entire point. What the hell is the point if a $200 transformer, if it isn't safe to transform? Please answer me that.[/quot

My answer is, like a moth to the flame. You already know you gonna get Burned so what will you do? You already know it gonna hurt and still?

Do a Lisa Simpson? Btw I thought you loved Grapple and despised Inferno? Another change of heart? This is soooooooooo confusing IHD

no he got his mmc bakdraft back.
of course theres already breakage. courtesy of takara.
i could transform an apollyon more than mp-36 without breakge or paint chipping. isnt that sad.

[Ironhidensh]

My answer is, like a moth to the flame. You already know you gonna get Burned so what will you do? You already know it gonna hurt and still?

You don't buy it. If it can't be transformed without damaging it it is a total failure of a figure, especially for the masterpiece line and especially for $200.

Do a Lisa Simpson? Btw I thought you loved Grapple and despised Inferno? Another change of heart? This is soooooooooo confusing IHD

I like Grapple, I don't love it, and most of my good feelings come in direct comparing to Inferno. He may be going away as the paint chipping is ridiculous.

[fenrir72]

My answer is, like a moth to the flame. You already know you gonna get Burned so what will you do? You already know it gonna hurt and still?

You don't buy it. If it can't be transformed without damaging it it is a total failure of a figure, especially for the masterpiece line and especially for $200.

Do a Lisa Simpson? Btw I thought you loved Grapple and despised Inferno? Another change of heart? This is soooooooooo confusing IHD

I like Grapple, I don't love it, and most of my good feelings come in direct comparing to Inferno. He may be going away as the paint chipping is ridiculous.

Aren't you overstepping your freedom to make a #@#k#s# of yourself by telling a fellow member what to or not purchase?

[Burn]

Aren't you overstepping your freedom to make a #@#k#s# of yourself by telling a fellow member what to or not purchase?

Well it's certainly better than self-censoring yourself so it looks like you're not really insulting another member by calling them a name that needs to be censored...

[fenrir72]

MPs are indeed not meant to be transformed multiple times unless you have deep pockets.

Transforming is the entire point. I transform ALL of my MP figures, both 3rd party and official, at least twice a month, if not more. Zero issues, until Grapple.

Again, transforming is the entire point. What the hell is the point if a $200 transformer, if it isn't safe to transform? Please answer me that.[/quot

My answer is, like a moth to the flame. You already know you gonna get Burned so what will you do? You already know it gonna hurt and still?

Do a Lisa Simpson? Btw I thought you loved Grapple and despised Inferno? Another change of heart? This is soooooooooo confusing IHD

no he got his mmc bakdraft back.
of course theres already breakage. courtesy of takara.
i could transform an apollyon more than mp-36 without breakge or paint chipping. isnt that sad.

Then go enjoy your Apollyon on the 3rd party thread "X"

Kinda weird that on the 3rd party threads, you praise the 1st party and vice versa in the official threads. A little consistency puhleeze!

[fenrir72]

Aren't you overstepping your freedom to make a #@#k#s# of yourself by telling a fellow member what to or not purchase?

Well it's certainly better than self-censoring yourself so it looks like you're not really insulting another member by calling them a name that needs to be censored...

I'm honored you noticed. So by your own words it's okay then to over step your bounds? Shouldn't a mod prevent a member not to overstep their bounds?

Btw IHD

We all have four excellent choices for Masterpiece Megatron, why must we insult the ones we don't like?

Please be consistent or practice what you preach.

[Bumblebee21]

MPs are indeed not meant to be transformed multiple times unless you have deep pockets.

Transforming is the entire point. I transform ALL of my MP figures, both 3rd party and official, at least twice a month, if not more. Zero issues, until Grapple.

Again, transforming is the entire point. What the hell is the point if a $200 transformer, if it isn't safe to transform? Please answer me that.[/quot

My answer is, like a moth to the flame. You already know you gonna get Burned so what will you do? You already know it gonna hurt and still?

Do a Lisa Simpson? Btw I thought you loved Grapple and despised Inferno? Another change of heart? This is soooooooooo confusing IHD

no he got his mmc bakdraft back.
of course theres already breakage. courtesy of takara.
i could transform an apollyon more than mp-36 without breakge or paint chipping. isnt that sad.

Then go enjoy your Apollyon on the 3rd party thread "X"

Kinda weird that on the 3rd party threads, you praise the 1st party and vice versa in the official threads. A little consistency puhleeze!

im giving an example on a figure that has more moving parts than mp-36. im not talking directly about him saying x can do this or x can do that, it was just a comparison.
i only praise the 1st party if theyve done it right. this hasnt been done right.

[Cyberpath]

Just warning you all to be careful, we already have reports of breakage on MP Megatron:

Any details?

I think I will Future his face, people say that the nose can get scratched during transformation.


EDIT:

That broken Megatron pic is mine.

I've been transforming Transformers for decades, so I know when I screw up. This wasn't one of those times. This particular part was weak. It snapped with extremely minimal force.

Bear in mind that this particular joint needs to hinge and swivel to complete the transformation. It can't afford to be fragile.

Which is why I say this was a defect. Maybe the pin was too short. Maybe it was already broken in the factory, and a worker tried to cover it up. I don't know.

I have yet to see anyone else with this issue though. But I would suggest you guys transform your Megs at least once, or at least give the arms a few good tugs, to make sure yours is ok.

[Genericon #378]

Looks better than the last one, that's for sure.

[thunderstorm_3]

A friend sent me this ... does anyone know where it is from?

[william-james88]

You only quoted a portion of my statement. See the bold. Comparing WJ to Megs is like comparing apples to an avocado.

Doesnt matter. If you meant only some MPs shouldnt be transformed, you should have done so instead of writing in absolutes like below:

MPs are indeed not meant to be transformed multiple times unless you have deep pockets.

If you only meant some, write which ones.

[Hellscream9999]

Aren't you overstepping your freedom to make a #@#k#s# of yourself by telling a fellow member what to or not purchase?

Because you never do that *cough* titan class transformers

[Cobotron]

I just approved thunderstorm_3's first post.

Jumping Jupiter! That is absolutely terrifying!!!!

Welcome thunderstorm! Sorry your first post had to be a downer, but valuable info indeed.

[Bumblebee21]

A friend sent me this ... does anyone know where it is from?

oh my god
i would be so happy if this happened on my $200 figure

[william-james88]

The Chosen Prime has sent out a warning of possible paint chipping on the new Masterpiece Megatron toy that will be caused in a number of ways. This message was both to show how to avoid this chipping and to inform customers that damage due to Transforming the toy would not be grounds for a return. This is probably the same for other stores, so beware.
While we are talking of problems found with this new toy, there have been numerous posts of breakage at different parts. So check these photos out below the paint chipping warning to see what parts require extra attention when transforming. Good luck to you all and we hope you can still enjoy this toy!

Hello everyone,

If you are receiving this email it means that you have purchased Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron from The Chosen Prime and we would like to thank you for your patronage. Takara Tomy has yet again made a great stride in innovation and design with this figure. However, with this groundbreaking design, we have encountered a few cautionary issues we would like you to be aware of. After taking a few days with the figure myself and having another copy in the hands of our reviewer Andrew, we felt it was best to proactively let everyone know of these potential issues.

First, we have experienced paint wear and flaking do to he transformation sequence and complexity of the figure. This is something that we have noticed both upon opening the figure and also after a few times through the transformation process. Please keep in mind, The Chosen Prime will not be able to assist with paint defects on this figure so we urge you to be careful as you step through the transformation and know that you may still experience some paint related issues.

We have also encountered a fitment issue when applying the silencer to the barrel. This process caused extensive wear and black “scuffing” on the diecast barrel after only two times of applying and removing it. Due to this, we are recommending that you DO NOT apply this accessory to the figure at all. And again, please be advised that The Chosen Prime cannot fix damage caused by transformation.

If this email reaches you and you don’t wish to proceed with your purchase, we completely understand and will offer a complete refund for the figure at your request. Please send any such requests prior to your item shipping out. If you item has already shipped, please refuse shipment and refunds will be processed immediately upon the items return to our headquarters. If you have any additional questions please let me know.

Sincerely,
Brandon Weik
The Chosen Prime

[SpaceKaseJase]

My Megatron is on its way, so I have no idea whether there will be QC issues with it or not. My biggest concern is whether or not Takara will fix/replace these figs. Doubt the vendor will considering this happens during transformation. Anyone contacted Takara yet? I'm currently working in my brain how repairs can be made should this happen to my fig. Perhaps those more talented than I can begin creating 3d printed replacement parts a-la Shapeways. I only paid $167 USD for mine (with shipping), but I still feel it is WAY overpriced considering the QC issues. $230 is friggin highway robbery.