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Alright I'll walk the plank...A "Real" fan, is a fan who is soooooo enigmatically bewildered that people who watched the same $hit they did 20 whatever years ago, and think that this current incarnation of TF is actually faithful to that work...It's not right, but that's how most of us "Real" fans feel...We feel like "How can YOU be a real fan and support this $hit..." Again, not right but that's how most of us feel...
Seibertron wrote:Michael Bay is not quitting Transformers
Too bad. After seeing ROTF last night, I wish he would.
warahi wrote:like him or not I can safely say that he isn't perfect for the job. Big explosions and robots may be what attract the general audience but Transformers has the potential to be so much more nowadays with all the material there is and all these movies seem to really care about is explosions and things that general public will be impressed with until they leave the theatre.
roguecds wrote:warahi wrote:like him or not I can safely say that he isn't perfect for the job. Big explosions and robots may be what attract the general audience but Transformers has the potential to be so much more nowadays with all the material there is and all these movies seem to really care about is explosions and things that general public will be impressed with until they leave the theatre.
I don't "Dislike" MB at all? I just like a fool thought, that with one of the Greatest Directors of alltime (Spielberg as a mentor); he'd have put more 'EC' emotional content into this franchise. He claims much like the folk behind (XMEN/same writers) that they 'CARE ABOUT THE CHARACTERS/BOTS/FRANCHISE, well we see they don't otherwise we wouldn't have 'a revenge of the nerds-SAM in place of a wrench-weildling SPIKE'; or a goofylooking MUDFLAP instead of JEEP WRANGLER HOUND?
How complicated is that? Bay and Singer are so damn set on being 'different from the orginals' that they miss what was good and simple about them? Sam didn't have a mother, take her out? To Save On Costs: Have them in VECHICLE MODE MORE STUPID?
How many times did Spike talk to BBEE while riding inside him or Prime?
Bay was the one who decided Orginally on How the TF would 'look', this Facestyle, and the really expensive rendering of the constantly moving parts well....see? If the body 'has to move' don't make the Face so darn expensive, make it smooth/frankly it would look better?
Bay just isn't a creative director, which is why there is NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT/NO REAL PLOT...and he relies on as Many of you have put it "crude humor/racial jokes/foul language". Oh how I wish Sam Raimi or Louis Lettier had done these films or consulted on them. Bay isn't bad, he just doesn't know how to pick good scripts? Some really really good Dir. can, and don't need any help from their Producers, well HE DOES LOL. And this time it was evident w/ having a toychest full of money at his disposal ....He wasted it in all the wrong places.
EXAMPLE James Cameron did it with TITANIC, years ago when it 1st came out everybody ran 2C it, loved it, great sp.Effects, great ship 2 look at, stupidass story; years later nobody cares or watches that film?
I Think TF is this generations special effects Titanic in a way, more so than the HULK, though thats' a much better film.
Robinson wrote:Again, I ask you what constitutes a "Real" transformers fan?
Seibertron wrote:Michael Bay is not quitting Transformers
Too bad. After seeing ROTF last night, I wish he would.
SpacerAM2 wrote:Bay should resign. Even after the first one I thought he should of quitted. Unless some of you want to be tortured more by Bay making other bad Tf sequels like ROTF. With Bay, the Tf film franchise is going downhill.
Mkall wrote:SpacerAM2 wrote:Bay should resign. Even after the first one I thought he should of quitted. Unless some of you want to be tortured more by Bay making other bad Tf sequels like ROTF. With Bay, the Tf film franchise is going downhill.
If you're talking money, I'm fairly sure that the film earnings would disagree. If you're talking quality, I think Bay does a wonderful job on the action scenes, but the plot isn't really his area. That's more on the heads of the writers.
SpacerAM2 wrote:If you want to keep being duped by Bay like so many others, go right ahead
Mkall wrote:SpacerAM2 wrote:If you want to keep being duped by Bay like so many others, go right ahead
If you want to simply blame Bay because he's "the big guy" go right ahead
inturnmike wrote:I have seen many posts on this site from people who seem to think that a movie based on G1 would be for the hardcore Tf fans only, and would automatically fail because only they would go to see it.
Transformers (1986) 5 mil opening weekend.
Transformers (2007) 70.5 mil opening weekend, 155 mil opening week
Transformers 2 (2009) 60 mil opening DAY
SpacerAM2 wrote:If you want to keep being duped by Bay like so many others, go right ahead
Evolution Prime wrote:That was way back in 1986. Plus it was a cartoon which mostly equates to an kids flick. Animated films then weren't the huge success as the Pixar films are today. Plus TF had only been out for less than to years at that point so it didn't have time to build up a super huge follow the current TF movies possess.
I still believe that a live action movie close based of G1 would still be very successful. It wouldn't have to follow it to a t, still enough to resemble G1 timeline/storyline. I think realistic G1 alt modes, with a few exceptions, would work and could still be made to be realistic.
Point is the TF movies are being successful because of the 20+ year build up to them because of the huge fanbase that the franchise has created. I'm not knocking what they have produce as I am happy with most of the stuff that has come out.
Prime Riblet wrote:My biggest problem actually has to do with the selection of characters. Someone said it earlier; where was Hound? Instead of Hound or another great character, we get....Skids and Mudflap? That just seems counterintuitive to me. BTW, I don't just mean Hound-he was just a good example that someone used.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Prime Riblet wrote:My biggest problem actually has to do with the selection of characters. Someone said it earlier; where was Hound? Instead of Hound or another great character, we get....Skids and Mudflap? That just seems counterintuitive to me. BTW, I don't just mean Hound-he was just a good example that someone used.
While using more well known characters would have been great, i think it was wise to bring in a few that weren't quite as popular as others. If we used up all the good ones in the first couple movies, you'd be left with nothing but crap non known characters for the remaining movies. It also seems that in the first movie, the autobots got the more recognizable characters. This time around, the focus was more about the Decepticons characters than autobots. Maybe for the third well get an equal amount popular character selection from both sides.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
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