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God he looks good

angtre wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:The fake chest is cartoon accurate.

I really dislike that phrase. It's so often used to excuse poor design or various perceived flubs when the cartoon itself is notorious for being riddled with animation errors.

~ Grim

This.

Maybe this is why the Masterpiece line has really lost its luster for me. The designs are "cartoon accurate" but very, very boring. I feel like the Bee movie designs struck the best balance of detailing and G1 nostalgia (though I am one who rails constantly against the never-ending stream of G1 Redux we seem to continuously get any more).

Same, here. Most recent MP toys are just bland. I got 8 MP-11 variants and I like the extra detail they put into robot mode, while I won't ever consider buying a MP-52 one, even if it were a different Seeker. When Skids came out, I was hoping they ditched the bland cartoon looks, yet unfortunately it was one of a kind (well, not counting its variants).

I'm not really sure what either of you would want from Ginrai then. We have both a cartoon accurate option and a toy accurate option, there are no other options left. There's no real world equivalent here and making a new design that give's Ginrai Godmaster engine abs and no "false chest" would be a no-go in the Masterpiece line, you'd only see that in Generations (not after they got lambasted for MP-03 nearly 20 years ago).

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

angtre wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:The fake chest is cartoon accurate.

I really dislike that phrase. It's so often used to excuse poor design or various perceived flubs when the cartoon itself is notorious for being riddled with animation errors.

~ Grim

This.

Maybe this is why the Masterpiece line has really lost its luster for me. The designs are "cartoon accurate" but very, very boring. I feel like the Bee movie designs struck the best balance of detailing and G1 nostalgia (though I am one who rails constantly against the never-ending stream of G1 Redux we seem to continuously get any more).

Same, here. Most recent MP toys are just bland. I got 8 MP-11 variants and I like the extra detail they put into robot mode, while I won't ever consider buying a MP-52 one, even if it were a different Seeker. When Skids came out, I was hoping they ditched the bland cartoon looks, yet unfortunately it was one of a kind (well, not counting its variants).

I'm not really sure what either of you would want from Ginrai then. We have both a cartoon accurate option and a toy accurate option, there are no other options left. There's no real world equivalent here and making a new design that give's Ginrai Godmaster engine abs and no "false chest" would be a no-go in the Masterpiece line, you'd only see that in Generations (not after they got lambasted for MP-03 nearly 20 years ago).

Emerje

And both Hasbro and Takara already got lambasted for their respective updates to Powermaster Optimus Prime and Super Ginrai in the Titans Return and Legends toylines, both of which did keep the cab front as the robot mode's chest.

And, it's rather hypocritical of fans to demand Ginrai not have a fake cab chest when Hasbro gave a real cab chest to the Siege Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime inner cab robot toy and fans demanded he have a fake cab chest too like his original toy did.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

angtre wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:The fake chest is cartoon accurate.

I really dislike that phrase. It's so often used to excuse poor design or various perceived flubs when the cartoon itself is notorious for being riddled with animation errors.

~ Grim

This.

Maybe this is why the Masterpiece line has really lost its luster for me. The designs are "cartoon accurate" but very, very boring. I feel like the Bee movie designs struck the best balance of detailing and G1 nostalgia (though I am one who rails constantly against the never-ending stream of G1 Redux we seem to continuously get any more).

Same, here. Most recent MP toys are just bland. I got 8 MP-11 variants and I like the extra detail they put into robot mode, while I won't ever consider buying a MP-52 one, even if it were a different Seeker. When Skids came out, I was hoping they ditched the bland cartoon looks, yet unfortunately it was one of a kind (well, not counting its variants).

I'm not really sure what either of you would want from Ginrai then. We have both a cartoon accurate option and a toy accurate option, there are no other options left. There's no real world equivalent here and making a new design that give's Ginrai Godmaster engine abs and no "false chest" would be a no-go in the Masterpiece line, you'd only see that in Generations (not after they got lambasted for MP-03 nearly 20 years ago).

Emerje

And both Hasbro and Takara already got lambasted for their respective updates to Powermaster Optimus Prime and Super Ginrai in the Titans Return and Legends toylines, both of which did keep the cab front as the robot mode's chest.

And, it's rather hypocritical of fans to demand Ginrai not have a fake cab chest when Hasbro gave a real cab chest to the Siege Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime inner cab robot toy and fans demanded he have a fake cab chest too like his original toy did.

There are enough little details to make SG more distinctive than most of the MP figures we've seen recently. I'm debating him currently...it's a case of either buy him or replace my Korg Triton LE on my keyboard rig.

Sabrblade wrote:And both Hasbro and Takara already got lambasted for their respective updates to Powermaster Optimus Prime and Super Ginrai in the Titans Return and Legends toylines, both of which did keep the cab front as the robot mode's chest.

And, it's rather hypocritical of fans to demand Ginrai not have a fake cab chest when Hasbro gave a real cab chest to the Siege Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime inner cab robot toy and fans demanded he have a fake cab chest too like his original toy did.

Wait, what are you talking about?

TR/Legends did not have the inner robot, and the bigger robot had the real chest, and the real cab as the real chest was lambasted?

And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?

And And, Siege Galaxy Prime transformed wrong to begin with, the Cybertron Primes robot mode having main window shoulders and side window chests, so I would hardly call those fake, and it was done that way because of the inner prime transformation to match G1 and not Cybertron because of the base mold used. Different transformation schemes for similar but different results. Galaxy just shot the middle.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?

People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?

People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.

Is there nothing the fans WON'T whine about, though?

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?

People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.

Is there nothing the fans WON'T whine about, though?

Missing Link?

It looks good. Still wish they had done something about the ridiculously exaggerated arm pylons on the trailer (since it's neither toy nor cartoon accurate), but this thing will likely stay in Super Ginrai form on my shelf anyway. Come to think of it, it might be a good place to finish my MP collecting, since Powermaster Prime is where it all started when I was a kid.

Glyph wrote:I don't like Missing Link. They just look weird, Legacy are way better for updating G1 designs.

Sorry. Please don't kill me.

I'm a doctor, not an executioner...

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?

People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.

Is there nothing the fans WON'T whine about, though?

It's been a while since I pulled this one out:

Sabrina-Online #397: "You must be this geeky to ride the ride"

And just 'cause:

Sabrina-Online #696: "We'll call him 'Babies McStrawman'"

Back to Ginrai with the fake chest; it's accurate to the original toy, the cartoon went with it, that's you need to know.

Never liked the look of these.

My collection involves getting new models of the toys I had when I was a kid. One of my pieces is Powermaster Optimus Prime, and as the new version, I decided to pay the extra and get LG-EX God Ginrai instead of the Titans Return figure.

Now I want to back-upgrade my old Prime with a G1 Godbomber.

At this price point I have resisted picking up Super Ginrai even though I really like the look of it, but if they went the extra mile and made a God Ginrai package, I'd probably fold in a minute.

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?

People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.

Is there nothing the fans WON'T whine about, though?

Frank Welker's vocal talent?

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?

People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.

Are you thinking of the evolution Optimus prime from power of the primes? Because there is no inner robot to titans return PMOP except hi-Q sitting inside the cab.

Everyone hated PMOP and the legends ginrai for having no inner robot. And legends ginrai was also hated for those godawful feet.

kurthy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?

People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.

Are you thinking of the evolution Optimus prime from power of the primes? Because there is no inner robot to titans return PMOP except hi-Q sitting inside the cab.

D-Max was talking about both the original 1988 toy and this new MPG one.

Sabrblade wrote:

kurthy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?

People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.

Are you thinking of the evolution Optimus prime from power of the primes? Because there is no inner robot to titans return PMOP except hi-Q sitting inside the cab.

D-Max was talking about both the original 1988 toy and this new MPG one.

No this was all about titans return/legends and the siege galaxy prime.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And both Hasbro and Takara already got lambasted for their respective updates to Powermaster Optimus Prime and Super Ginrai in the Titans Return and Legends toylines, both of which did keep the cab front as the robot mode's chest.

And, it's rather hypocritical of fans to demand Ginrai not have a fake cab chest when Hasbro gave a real cab chest to the Siege Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime inner cab robot toy and fans demanded he have a fake cab chest too like his original toy did.

Wait, what are you talking about?

TR/Legends did not have the inner robot, and the bigger robot had the real chest, and the real cab as the real chest was lambasted?

And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?

And And, Siege Galaxy Prime transformed wrong to begin with, the Cybertron Primes robot mode having main window shoulders and side window chests, so I would hardly call those fake, and it was done that way because of the inner prime transformation to match G1 and not Cybertron because of the base mold used. Different transformation schemes for similar but different results. Galaxy just shot the middle.

kurthy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

kurthy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And PM Prime has always had the fake smaller robot chest, with the real one being the super chest, as seen here, and that is a problem now?

People were whining about the fake chest on the cab robot.

Are you thinking of the evolution Optimus prime from power of the primes? Because there is no inner robot to titans return PMOP except hi-Q sitting inside the cab.

D-Max was talking about both the original 1988 toy and this new MPG one.

No this was all about titans return/legends and the siege galaxy prime.

Each of those lines is about a different subject. The first was talking about the TR/Legends toy and the third was about the Siege Galaxy Prime, yes. But that middle one of his that you first quoted above was talking about the original 1988 toy and this MPG one, with the clues being the words "always" and "as seen here".

Sabrblade wrote:Each of those lines is about a different subject. The first was talking about the TR/Legends toy and the third was about the Siege Galaxy Prime, yes. But that middle one of his that you first quoted above was talking about the original 1988 toy and this MPG one, with the clues being the words "always" and "as seen here".

So what are you, not D max, actually trying to say people lambasted Hasbro for with Titans Return PMOP?

kurthy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Each of those lines is about a different subject. The first was talking about the TR/Legends toy and the third was about the Siege Galaxy Prime, yes. But that middle one of his that you first quoted above was talking about the original 1988 toy and this MPG one, with the clues being the words "always" and "as seen here".

So what are you, not D max, actually trying to say people lambasted Hasbro for with Titans Return PMOP?

I dunno if "most people" complained, but I personally did. Even if TR Powermaster Optimus Prime was a basically a good toy, it was just a retool of CW Leader Ultra Magnus and the fact that it was a headmaster was all wrong. Plus, the Godbomber that Takara made for their own TR Ginrai / Velocitron PM Prime was weak and made for a very unstable super bot.

As for POTP Leader Optimus, the only true flaw was the weak point in Orion Pax's hips. Appart that, I found that figure absolutely brilliant. I still have it along the Nemesis version.

Going back to the original G1 version, the small Optimus was justified in having a fake chest. A fake chest made with two big stickers. It never bothered me that much because the super bot was always amazing. Plus the Apex Armor / God Bomber made for a SOLID ultimate bot. I have the Hasbro reissue of the Super Ginrai w God Bomber set (got for cheap, 100% complete) and I have the exclusive Takara BLACK version of Super Ginrai (that cost me a freaking fortune.) These are among my favorite G1 toys ever.

See, the reason I never complained about TR PMOP/Super Ginrai is because it's a Combiner Wars Ultra Magnus retool which didn't have an inner robot (not a white Prime anyway) and shouldn't have since he was an IDW take on the character. Because of that and the really different look of the figure I just thought of PMOP as another IDW take rather than a proper G1 version. I love that mold, the only use of it I don't own is the Japanese release of UM. But if they mad a new mold Generations G1 PMOP that didn't have the regular Prime I would likely pass on it like I did CC Ultra Magnus last year.

Emerje