The Energon Pub

News Credits: 122 · by **Kupp** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:33 am

Kaijubot wrote:9 hours for 6 tonnes of a Rank 2 armour does seem somewhat excessive to me.

Perhaps, but hell set it to do it before you go to bed, or out for 9 hours or something.

Heck, don't upgrade all your bots on the same day. Do one a day rotate arround the others.

I have a bot running arround with 7 tons of Carbon Fiber on a level 3. I'm not going to rush and upgrade to the other armor. But then I am not fighting over a top spot in the game, so I dunno.

I'll tell you all one thing, I am glad I got armor on most of my guys while the times were lower, but the time cost is accross the board for everyone so no one person should really see this as some monumental setback.

News Credits: 1 · by **Jeep?** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:01 am

Burn wrote:
Waylander wrote:the higher the rank the longer you have the armor,

This line keeps bugging me.

I'm reading it two ways.

1 - The higher rank armour you have, the less resetting you do thus you will have it longer.

2 - I look at the new tactics and one of them is suppose to strip you of your armour. So this line could be interpretted as the higher the rank armour you have, the less chance you have of it being stripped. And if your armour is stripped I really hope you don't have to keep going back to installing armour each time because that will be a game killer for many.

And also, what's the purpose of more than one type of armour at each level of rank?

I can only imagine that it's an aesthetic thing as it would make no sense for one armour to be better than another as people would then have a preference and that armour will disappear quickly. Or does one type offer a different sort of protection than the other? Like one protects you against tactic attacks while the other protects you against non-tactic? Not that I expect that to be answered if that were the case. But it'd be nice to know if it's a purely aesthetic thing (which again makes me question the different install times) or there is a difference between each armour on each level of rank.

Yeah, I know. Go and work it out myself.

They way I see it is the way I've always seen it. Longer install times
means better armour, shorter install times means you get finished and get back on the road quicker.

News Credits: 6 · by **City Commander** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:05 am

If people (nudgenudge) had kept playing oGame, they would'a learnt patience

News Credits: 1 · by **Jeep?** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:17 am

I've been playing this game for nearly half a decade, I got patience up that wazoo.
And that's all I have up there, Grimmy, before you even try.

News Credits: 6 · by **City Commander** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:35 am

lol

For all of the commotion, I didn't even think about the (probably) most important change this means for us.

Is armour balanced? 0_o

News Credits: 1 · by **Jeep?** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:38 am

It already was.

News Credits: 6 · by **City Commander** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:50 am

It was? 0_o 0_o

How do I keep missing these things?

News Credits: 1 · by **Jeep?** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:59 am

Dealer wrote:It was? 0_o 0_o

How do I keep missing these things?

Because you don't listen? Weapons and armour are balanced.

News Credits: 6 · by **City Commander** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:23 pm

Jeep! wrote:
Dealer wrote:It was? 0_o 0_o

How do I keep missing these things?

Because you don't listen? Weapons and armour are balanced.

I check in here every day, I don't know how I missed it.

No wonder Tam isn't posting much. He (she? I still don't know) doesn't have much to post about anymore

by **Tammuz** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:37 pm

when the **** did armour get balanced?

JP are you talking out your arse again?

I said Armour couldn't be balanced without rewriting the mechanic.

and i agree entirely with Burn on the shortening of armour install times; SOME OF US DON'T RESET, and i take exception to the mods presumption that changing armour precludes resetting, so we end up with almost two days of down time or a reset.

that's plain stupid

two days?

News Credits: 1 · by **Symbiote Spiderman14** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:27 pm

I was wondering why JPs breath smelled

I think they times should be cut at least by 25% but I'm not reseting any of mine until new alts are out.

by **Waylander** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:57 pm

Mkall wrote:Theory is that the best armours should block almost all of the attack, in which case a long/expensive install should be required to take full advantage of that. If it turns out that they aren't as good as we estimated, we'll take a second look at things

as stated,if it becomes a major gaming issue,we will look at it again,but for now the times are fine. sometimes you have to field test things to find issues not seen in development,all will be looked at,and are not final until it is reviewed again after a set time and tests/reserch have been made for the follow up review of all the issues listed.
everything and everyones views are looked at within the game,but you can never 100% satisfy everyone at any given time,so you go for the highest percent you can get,while still looking at the views of everyone as a whole, while not forgetting anyone and taking their gaming experience for granted,too much over one another.

to me it brings more options

you got to think about your choices more now,and work out a plan with your 12 possible TFs when you want to reset and/or get the better armor for each.
if you want to go fantasy route and total time the game has been around view at it,all the years some have played,what is 2 days in the shop when you come out stronger,your new body shale has been crafted and/or removed from the last shale ,and added to the internal structure of your TF.

News Credits: 1 · by **Jeep?** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:00 pm

Tammuz wrote:when the **** did armour get balanced?

JP are you talking out your arse again?

Oh, I'm sorry, let's go back to when iron was the only armour that did anything.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:21 pm

Jeep! wrote:
Burn wrote:
Waylander wrote:the higher the rank the longer you have the armor,

This line keeps bugging me.

I'm reading it two ways.

1 - The higher rank armour you have, the less resetting you do thus you will have it longer.

2 - I look at the new tactics and one of them is suppose to strip you of your armour. So this line could be interpretted as the higher the rank armour you have, the less chance you have of it being stripped. And if your armour is stripped I really hope you don't have to keep going back to installing armour each time because that will be a game killer for many.

And also, what's the purpose of more than one type of armour at each level of rank?

I can only imagine that it's an aesthetic thing as it would make no sense for one armour to be better than another as people would then have a preference and that armour will disappear quickly. Or does one type offer a different sort of protection than the other? Like one protects you against tactic attacks while the other protects you against non-tactic? Not that I expect that to be answered if that were the case. But it'd be nice to know if it's a purely aesthetic thing (which again makes me question the different install times) or there is a difference between each armour on each level of rank.

Yeah, I know. Go and work it out myself.

They way I see it is the way I've always seen it. Longer install times
means better armour, shorter install times means you get finished and get back on the road quicker.

Still don't see the point of it then as one type of armour will eventually be favoured over another.

I'd much rather see the same install times for each ranking level, and then have 1 protect you from tactic attacks and the other protect you from weapon attacks.

by **Waylander** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:03 pm

Burn wrote: I'd much rather see the same install times for each ranking level, and then have 1 protect you from tactic attacks and the other protect you from weapon attacks.

things are slowly coming together,this is a major game issue that is starting to be addressed,and is by no means final in anyway.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:35 pm

Yeah nice avoidance of my earlier questions. ;;)

But if it's not final can we expect a stat/tactic reset so that any experimentation done now isn't pointless down the track?

Not to mention that once it is sorted out such a reset would be handy across the board for those who have won alts in previous tournaments and can't reset. Oh and the fact that once it is final it'd be nice for a clean armour slate across the board.

News Credits: 7 · by **Chaoslock** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:07 pm

It's time to test the new armor

(Does Nano-Regenerative sounds only to me like it was made by maximals?)

News Credits: 1 · by **Whisper** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:01 pm

Chaoslock wrote:It's time to test the new armor

(Does Nano-Regenerative sounds only to me like it was made by maximals?)

Oops!

Doesn't look too impressive right now, but will hold judgement until I see more results...

by **Scantron** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:06 pm

Chaoslock wrote:It's time to test the new armor

Looks comparable to the Force Field armor, dropping a devastating/incredible weapon to 1% damage and a devastating weapon to 2% damage. No apparent effect on tactic damage, though.

News Credits: 7 · by **Chaoslock** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:07 pm

Whisper wrote:
Chaoslock wrote:It's time to test the new armor

(Does Nano-Regenerative sounds only to me like it was made by maximals?)

Oops!

Doesn't look too impressive right now, but will hold judgement until I see more results...

It looks impressive to me, against weapon attacks, it is very nice so far, but needs more testing
... but I've seen much better mission results, yeah.
03:01 Strafe ->down to 8%
03:46 Gauss Rifle with 6 str ->down to 7%
03:53 Laser-guided sword with 7 str ->down to 5%

News Credits: 1 · by **Whisper** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:15 pm

Damocles test with Nano-Regen armour #1

Let's see how this goes...

*EDIT* Seems to do well against weapon attacks, but even with 10 END, tactic attacks are doing more damage than they really should be at that level...

by **SNAPCASE** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:31 pm

my first test with nano

Whisper wrote:Let's see how this goes...

News Credits: 7 · by **Chaoslock** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:39 am

The armor reduced my suicidal Kremzeek to 3%

Still, tactic attacks HURT. Where's a medic when you need one?

News Credits: 3 · by **Archanubis** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:29 am

Armours being tried currently:

Scavendrill - Trythilium
Lohikaarme - Vanadium-Steel
Celaeno - Vanadium-Steel
Stratosphera - Vacuum-Metal
Blackhertz - Vanadium-Steel
Darkwylde - Vanadium-Steel

The bottom half are (as of this writing) still in the armory, despite having started their re-armoring around 5pm EDT last night. Like Tammuz said, the re-armoring process takes too long, and not everyone is willing to lose their alt or go through the annoying process of resetting their characters everytime they replace armor.