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Sabrblade wrote:That's a lot more than a "stupid repaint":SentinelA wrote:Really? Jhiaxus is a stupid repaint of Armada Starscream? I'm underwhelmed.
New head, new wings, new torso cockpit, new chest vents, new tailfins, maybe even more.![]()
shockblast2 wrote:The mold use makes no sense. Hasbro changed the whole deluxe size class two years ago for cost cutting to reduce plastic use. It doesn't make sense that they would reuse one of the molds they did away with for that very reason? The GDO stuff was for the Asian market and when it was sold here at TRU it was at a premium for a time. For them to reuse this mold with the smae price point is baffling. That is why I think this is a hoax.
Shadowstream wrote:And I don't know why anyone should care about Wingblade.
Mkall wrote:Shadowstream wrote:And I don't know why anyone should care about Wingblade.
Funny how quick people are to judge something completely new isn't it?
Bounti76 wrote:I call bull***t on this... For several reasons. (...) I can't see Hasbro going back to a nearly 4-year old mold
2. Jhiaxus' coloring looks nothing like any recent version of the character.
3. Windblade isn't due until the finish of the Thrilling 30 line, from all indications and announcements by Hasbro.
And if you look closely at the drawing here, she has Prime Arcee's arms (complete with the same forearm spikes, and even the same hands) and torso. Only the head, wings and legs are different. Not to mention that the head only marginally resembles the images of her we've seen so far.
4. The RTS Jazz mold is too old to use (my opinion) for a line like Thrilling 30,
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Banjo-Tron wrote:I thought it was MechiDeas Longblast, but nope, you're right, the pics are different (although posed very similarly)
Maybe this isn't a hoax?
Wolfman Jake wrote:shockblast2 wrote:The mold use makes no sense. Hasbro changed the whole deluxe size class two years ago for cost cutting to reduce plastic use. It doesn't make sense that they would reuse one of the molds they did away with for that very reason? The GDO stuff was for the Asian market and when it was sold here at TRU it was at a premium for a time. For them to reuse this mold with the smae price point is baffling. That is why I think this is a hoax.
On the other side of that coin, Hasbro has already developed the mold and used it three times in retail releases (The TFCC stuff doesn't count, at least not in the same way). This saves a lot of money of the R&D costs of creating new figures based off of that mold. Hasbro (and Takara Tomy) make better profits off of a mold if they can use it a second, or even third or forth time, because the original research and development costs don't detract from a new use of that mold on its bottom line. This retool/repaint of RTS Jazz as Nightbeat requires only a new head (maybe) and those new searchlights. That's a LOT less money than designing and engineering whole new figure, not to mention building the new molds needed to cast the pieces required. Also, remember that unlike Takara Tomy, Hasbro allocates resources based on assortment case instead of individual figures. That allows for inclusion of new tooling or more extensive paint apps on a figure that needs them if they can be shipped with a simpler to produce figure to offset the cost. Together, these considerations can probably offset any additional money spent on additional plastic to produce a slightly larger deluxe figure for this assortment. So, it's really not that outrageous of a move for Hasbro to make.
shockblast2 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:shockblast2 wrote:The mold use makes no sense. Hasbro changed the whole deluxe size class two years ago for cost cutting to reduce plastic use. It doesn't make sense that they would reuse one of the molds they did away with for that very reason? The GDO stuff was for the Asian market and when it was sold here at TRU it was at a premium for a time. For them to reuse this mold with the smae price point is baffling. That is why I think this is a hoax.
On the other side of that coin, Hasbro has already developed the mold and used it three times in retail releases (The TFCC stuff doesn't count, at least not in the same way). This saves a lot of money of the R&D costs of creating new figures based off of that mold. Hasbro (and Takara Tomy) make better profits off of a mold if they can use it a second, or even third or forth time, because the original research and development costs don't detract from a new use of that mold on its bottom line. This retool/repaint of RTS Jazz as Nightbeat requires only a new head (maybe) and those new searchlights. That's a LOT less money than designing and engineering whole new figure, not to mention building the new molds needed to cast the pieces required. Also, remember that unlike Takara Tomy, Hasbro allocates resources based on assortment case instead of individual figures. That allows for inclusion of new tooling or more extensive paint apps on a figure that needs them if they can be shipped with a simpler to produce figure to offset the cost. Together, these considerations can probably offset any additional money spent on additional plastic to produce a slightly larger deluxe figure for this assortment. So, it's really not that outrageous of a move for Hasbro to make.
Yes, they save 60K to 100K for a new mold, but that is not a factor. Resin prices are. And having a figure that weighs 2x more than the current deluxes with resin sitting at about .70 per lb makes no sense. They would lose an insane amount on raw material cost.
I actually work as an accountant for a plastic manufacturer here in the US. We don't make toys, but they are similar to what we produce. And raw material is always the #1 factor in the decision to make a product. Especially when we are talking about a largely obscure character like Nightbeat. Only people like us would buy it for the most part. Again, I am not saying that these are 100% fakes, but I am highly suspicious. I guess we will find out soon when they do their reveals in the coming month.
shockblast2 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:shockblast2 wrote:The mold use makes no sense. Hasbro changed the whole deluxe size class two years ago for cost cutting to reduce plastic use. It doesn't make sense that they would reuse one of the molds they did away with for that very reason? The GDO stuff was for the Asian market and when it was sold here at TRU it was at a premium for a time. For them to reuse this mold with the smae price point is baffling. That is why I think this is a hoax.
On the other side of that coin, Hasbro has already developed the mold and used it three times in retail releases (The TFCC stuff doesn't count, at least not in the same way). This saves a lot of money of the R&D costs of creating new figures based off of that mold. Hasbro (and Takara Tomy) make better profits off of a mold if they can use it a second, or even third or forth time, because the original research and development costs don't detract from a new use of that mold on its bottom line. This retool/repaint of RTS Jazz as Nightbeat requires only a new head (maybe) and those new searchlights. That's a LOT less money than designing and engineering whole new figure, not to mention building the new molds needed to cast the pieces required. Also, remember that unlike Takara Tomy, Hasbro allocates resources based on assortment case instead of individual figures. That allows for inclusion of new tooling or more extensive paint apps on a figure that needs them if they can be shipped with a simpler to produce figure to offset the cost. Together, these considerations can probably offset any additional money spent on additional plastic to produce a slightly larger deluxe figure for this assortment. So, it's really not that outrageous of a move for Hasbro to make.
Yes, they save 60K to 100K for a new mold, but that is not a factor. Resin prices are. And having a figure that weighs 2x more than the current deluxes with resin sitting at about .70 per lb makes no sense. They would lose an insane amount on raw material cost.
I actually work as an accountant for a plastic manufacturer here in the US. We don't make toys, but they are similar to what we produce. And raw material is always the #1 factor in the decision to make a product. Especially when we are talking about a largely obscure character like Nightbeat. Only people like us would buy it for the most part. Again, I am not saying that these are 100% fakes, but I am highly suspicious. I guess we will find out soon when they do their reveals in the coming month.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Why would Red Mercury, a reliable source, post made up images?
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
GuyIncognito wrote:Despite the Negative Nancies and Debbie Downers, I think all 3 of these are going to be good!
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
njb902 wrote:shockblast2 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:shockblast2 wrote:The mold use makes no sense. Hasbro changed the whole deluxe size class two years ago for cost cutting to reduce plastic use. It doesn't make sense that they would reuse one of the molds they did away with for that very reason? The GDO stuff was for the Asian market and when it was sold here at TRU it was at a premium for a time. For them to reuse this mold with the smae price point is baffling. That is why I think this is a hoax.
On the other side of that coin, Hasbro has already developed the mold and used it three times in retail releases (The TFCC stuff doesn't count, at least not in the same way). This saves a lot of money of the R&D costs of creating new figures based off of that mold. Hasbro (and Takara Tomy) make better profits off of a mold if they can use it a second, or even third or forth time, because the original research and development costs don't detract from a new use of that mold on its bottom line. This retool/repaint of RTS Jazz as Nightbeat requires only a new head (maybe) and those new searchlights. That's a LOT less money than designing and engineering whole new figure, not to mention building the new molds needed to cast the pieces required. Also, remember that unlike Takara Tomy, Hasbro allocates resources based on assortment case instead of individual figures. That allows for inclusion of new tooling or more extensive paint apps on a figure that needs them if they can be shipped with a simpler to produce figure to offset the cost. Together, these considerations can probably offset any additional money spent on additional plastic to produce a slightly larger deluxe figure for this assortment. So, it's really not that outrageous of a move for Hasbro to make.
Yes, they save 60K to 100K for a new mold, but that is not a factor. Resin prices are. And having a figure that weighs 2x more than the current deluxes with resin sitting at about .70 per lb makes no sense. They would lose an insane amount on raw material cost.
I actually work as an accountant for a plastic manufacturer here in the US. We don't make toys, but they are similar to what we produce. And raw material is always the #1 factor in the decision to make a product. Especially when we are talking about a largely obscure character like Nightbeat. Only people like us would buy it for the most part. Again, I am not saying that these are 100% fakes, but I am highly suspicious. I guess we will find out soon when they do their reveals in the coming month.
They did use the mold last Christmas for that gift set box.
Where did you get the $60,000 to $100,000 figure?
Sabrblade wrote:Why would Red Mercury, a reliable source, post made up images?
njb902 wrote:Don't forget you have to figure in the development costs of a new mold. So to say they save your "$60,000 to $100,000" is kind of telling only part of the story.
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