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ScottyP wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Here's a thought. Notice how the press release doesn't say who the murder victim is. Now, I know that they are pretty much guaranteed to not do this, but suppose, for a second, that if they wanted to really go for something new and even unexpected with these familiar iconic classic characters of old, what if the one who was killed off, whose murder sets everything in the story in motion to spiral out of peace and into war, was none other than Megatron? Who honestly would ever see something like that idea coming, especially in this day and age where the brand is all about making the old new again? IMO, it could potentially be one of the boldest and most shockingly unexpected decisions ever, but it would never happen.

Great great great great idea! On the surface it seems unlikely, but I feel like they're going to need some crazy, unexpected hook like this if they want this relaunch to grow sales of TF comics rather than maintain status quo and burn out from attrition after 12 issues.

Exactly! I mean, this looks like it's gonna be just another take on the classic "Optimus Prime and the Autobots vs. Megatron and the Decepticons" schtick that has been done to death. And since Optimus has died himself so many times that it's practically a bad joke by this point, what better way to turn the aforementioned classic schtick on its head than by having Megatron be the one who is killed at the beginning and INADVERTENTLY sends the planet into war?

And here's another crazy idea! Suppose, once the war is underway, Optimus gets to thinking that trying to bring him back to life could be the best way to end the war. Imagine the angles they could explore with this irony! And if he gets resurrected, how might he react to the war? Would he be for it? Could he perhaps be against it; aghast that such violence broke out all on account of him? Might he actually try to put an end to the war? Or would he get caught up in the conflict? Could he find that he has a taste for warfare? Would such disgust him? Would he have to come to terms with the inner conflict within? Peace or violence? Or rather, peace through violence? Peace through tyranny? Optimus would never agree. Might he try to convince the Prime that what he's doing isn't out of selfishness but necessity? Might he even feel a bit guilty in his death having ignited such global conflict? What had even happened to get himself murdered during peacetime in the first place? Moreover, who murdered him? These are the nagging questions.

Well, its only a couple of images. So, the first one is OK...I guess... At least its nice to see Op and Megs in the same shot, much less the same book. Looks like a straight take on Scioli designs from TF vs GIJoe. The second image looks better, but instantly dashes my hopes that all the awful new characters developed in the first IDW run would be left behind and forgotten. I mean I guess the torchbearers were OK, and Drift became more palatable when he wasn't the focus anymore, but the rest are totally forgettable. But I know we are still some time until we get any story elements to this series. It just feels refreshing now that the first 13 years is done and over with, to not have to feel the obligation to pick up anything new, unless it happens to be really really good.

i am so freakin excited!!!

i just hope they live up to the standards of their predecessors.
and our expectations.

Sabrblade wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Here's a thought. Notice how the press release doesn't say who the murder victim is. Now, I know that they are pretty much guaranteed to not do this, but suppose, for a second, that if they wanted to really go for something new and even unexpected with these familiar iconic classic characters of old, what if the one who was killed off, whose murder sets everything in the story in motion to spiral out of peace and into war, was none other than Megatron? Who honestly would ever see something like that idea coming, especially in this day and age where the brand is all about making the old new again? IMO, it could potentially be one of the boldest and most shockingly unexpected decisions ever, but it would never happen.

Great great great great idea! On the surface it seems unlikely, but I feel like they're going to need some crazy, unexpected hook like this if they want this relaunch to grow sales of TF comics rather than maintain status quo and burn out from attrition after 12 issues.

Exactly! I mean, this looks like it's gonna be just another take on the classic "Optimus Prime and the Autobots vs. Megatron and the Decepticons" schtick that has been done to death. And since Optimus has died himself so many times that it's practically a bad joke by this point, what better way to turn the aforementioned classic schtick on its head than by having Megatron be the one who is killed at the beginning and INADVERTENTLY sends the planet into war?

And here's another crazy idea! Suppose, once the war is underway, Optimus gets to thinking that trying to bring him back to life could be the best way to end the war. Imagine the angles they could explore with this irony! And if he gets resurrected, how might he react to the war? Would he be for it? Could he perhaps be against it; aghast that such violence broke out all on account of him? Might he actually try to put an end to the war? Or would he get caught up in the conflict? Could he find that he has a taste for warfare? Would such disgust him? Would he have to come to terms with the inner conflict within? Peace or violence? Or rather, peace through violence? Peace through tyranny? Optimus would never agree. Might he try to convince the Prime that what he's doing isn't out of selfishness but necessity? Might he even feel a bit guilty in his death having ignited such global conflict? What had even happened to get himself murdered during peacetime in the first place? Moreover, who murdered him? These are the nagging questions.

Also digging this. The higher concept is close to what Barber did, but the plot device is a better hook than "Shockwave disguised himself as a Prime and created a lineage of corrupt galaxy conquering Primes that were a-holes"

I spy Generations Thrilling 30 Leader class Jetfire in that cover art.

You guys sure that's interior art Waltz is teasing? It looks more like a cover to me, and Waltz does say we'll see the full art "soon." I think he's just tagging the main creative team in any tweets to do with it, as that art looks like it was done by one artist and I'm pretty sure Hernandez and Joseph are going to be doing their own separate pencils (also doesn't look like either one's style).

Sabrblade wrote:I spy Generations Thrilling 30 Leader class Jetfire in that cover art.

I would guess not since this is a reboot. I mean, it's obviously Jetfire, but it doesn't seem likely that they'll be going backwards with the references this early in so it's probably based on a new figure.

There's also a helicopter to his 2 o'clock which is probably Springer.



Emerje

David Mariotte just confirmed that art Waltz teased is indeed a cover, not interiors.

https://twitter.com/IDW_David_M/status/ ... 9659745281

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I spy Generations Thrilling 30 Leader class Jetfire in that cover art.

I would guess not since this is a reboot. I mean, it's obviously Jetfire, but it doesn't seem likely that they'll be going backwards with the references this early in so it's probably based on a new figure.

There's also a helicopter to his 2 o'clock which is probably Springer.

heli.JPG

Emerje

I dunno Em, that pretty clearly resembles T30 Jetfire to me. The shape of the wings and nose cone really send it home.

Not to mention the red pattern on the wings that only Generations Leader Jetfire has.

You know, I wonder if I'll even be able to give this series a fair shot. The IDWverse was, to me, amazingly fresh and new, and its left some insanely huge shoes to fill.

I don't want a new continuity, and that might be an unfair bias against what might well be a great series.

A full size version of that travel poster to frame and put on the wall would be awesome.

ZeroWolf wrote: Also you'd be surprised by how many people would agree with you on TFs staying away from our planet...

Absolutely. Earth and by extension humans are predominantly the worst part of the mythos and typically represent the creatively bankrupt low points.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote: Also you'd be surprised by how many people would agree with you on TFs staying away from our planet...

Absolutely. Earth and by extension humans are predominantly the worst part of the mythos and typically represent the creatively bankrupt low points.

Yet it absolutely makes no sense for Transformers to be Transformers without the disguise aspect, they might as well be humans wearing high tech armor at that point since Transformers themselves are written as metal humans. (I mean Transformers that are very alien is not a good idea)

At some point this new continuity will go to Earth it's inevitable, it's not like there has never been any good content on earth or humans for that matter it's just that many times they have been badly written.

To me nothing says New Rebooted Continuity more than using the exclusive characters from the previous one

Deadput wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote: Also you'd be surprised by how many people would agree with you on TFs staying away from our planet...

Absolutely. Earth and by extension humans are predominantly the worst part of the mythos and typically represent the creatively bankrupt low points.

Yet it absolutely makes no sense for Transformers to be Transformers without the disguise aspect, they might as well be humans wearing high tech armor at that point since Transformers themselves are written as metal humans.

So what you're saying is Transformers can only be in disguise on Earth? Which is to say the entire Transformers universe consists of two planets?? This of course being an easy conclusion to reach based on the prior continuity.
Also to be blunt, the last few years of IDWverse writing has been nothing but "Humans wearing high tech armour". Because clearly Last Stand of The Wreckers was lightning in a bottle and subsequent writers weren't upto scratch in writing anything beyond People in Transformers skins.

(I mean Transformers that are very alien is not a good idea)

How so? Because aside from the god awful attempt Bayformers made at being visually alien, it has never really been attempted before.

ZeroWolf wrote:When you say IDW exclusive characters... Do you mean Windblade? As she's not IDW exclusive at all

Not Windblade no. I know of her origins and that is basically why she has the place of prominence that she has now. I mean... The Blue one, next to her*. Also the talk of Drift and others making it into the New Continuity. They already dropped the ball by not destroying IDWverse with Unicron. If they simply repeat the same cast of original characters again, why bother ending it in the first place?

Obviously the staples: Primes, Bees, Megs etc For better or very much worse, are here to stay. But everyone else in the ensemble should be brand new, from the ground up.

*Currently reading an IDWverse issue of the Part Work. All the tertiary characters look so alike, I can't name one from another.