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News Credits: 2 · Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:20 pm

We haven't even seen Fort Max yet and people are already complaining about how much it will suck. This is why I hate this fandom sometimes .

News Credits: 462 · Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:55 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
That Bot wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Yeah, thanks to IDW, I have no desire for a city sized Fort Max.
And the Encore release of G1 Fort Max has already fulfilled my need for a city-sized Fort Max (which The Headmasters cartoon spawned based on how awesome Fort Max was in that show), so this new Titan Fort Max will really have to blow me away if it wants my money.

And since her just a repaint/retool (same thing to me) of Metroplex, there is little chance of that.

A retool that changes everything but the forearms, including the transformation. It's basically a new toy with Plex's arms.

Sorry, but at that price point basically isn't anywhere near good enough.

...So, having only the biceps in common with 'plex is tantamount to being identical to metroplex, and is therefore a worthless figure...

At 150 to 180 dollars? Damn Skippy.

Recall that I mentioned Encore Fort Max before. I paid full price for it from BBTS when it first came out, which was $329.99 before shipping (and was the normal price for those who were willing to be more patient for the figure, rather than the more expensive price for those who wanted their Fort Maxes immediately).

By contrast, Generations Titans Return Titan class Fort Max will be far more affordable, far more articulated, and made from today's toy-making technology instead of a reissue of 1987's barely-articulated toy engineering.

And yet, when I got Generations Thrilling 30 Titan class Metroplex, I was less impressed by that figure than I was with Encore Fort Max, despite all of the modern day toy engineering advantages that Titan Metroplex had over Encore Fort Max. So with my being more satisfied by the more archaically-designed Encore Fort Max than the more advanced Titan Metroplex, this isn't a matter of money so much as it is a matter of whether or not the new Fort Max can best the old Fort Max in terms of appealing to me, as the new Fort Max is far more affordable than the old one was, but the old one has already bested the mold that the new one is being reshelled from.

Therefore, because of how much I already prefer Encore Fort Max over Generations Metroplex, the new Fort Max that's being made from Metroplex is really going to have to knock my socks off if it wants to me to like it as much as, if not more than, the old Fort Max.

News Credits: 25 · Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:56 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
That Bot wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Yeah, thanks to IDW, I have no desire for a city sized Fort Max.
And the Encore release of G1 Fort Max has already fulfilled my need for a city-sized Fort Max (which The Headmasters cartoon spawned based on how awesome Fort Max was in that show), so this new Titan Fort Max will really have to blow me away if it wants my money.

And since her just a repaint/retool (same thing to me) of Metroplex, there is little chance of that.

A retool that changes everything but the forearms, including the transformation. It's basically a new toy with Plex's arms.

Sorry, but at that price point basically isn't anywhere near good enough.

...So, having only the biceps in common with 'plex is tantamount to being identical to metroplex, and is therefore a worthless figure...

At 150 to 180 dollars? Damn Skippy.
Recall that I mentioned Encore Fort Max before. I paid full price for it from BBTS when it first came out, which was $329.99 before shipping (and was the normal price for those who were willing to be more patient for the figure, rather than the more expensive price for those who wanted their Fort Maxes immediately).

By contrast, Generations Titans Return Titan class Fort Max will be far more affordable, far more articulated, and made from today's toy-making technology instead of a reissue of 1987's barely-articulated toy engineering.

And yet, when I got Generations Thrilling 30 Titan class Metroplex, I was less impressed by that figure than I was with Encore Fort Max, despite all of the modern day toy engineering advantages that Titan Metroplex had over Encore Fort Max. So with my being more satisfied by the more archaically-designed Encore Fort Max than the more advanced Titan Metroplex, this isn't a matter of money so much as it is a matter of whether or not the new Fort Max can best the old Fort Max in terms of appealing to me, as the new Fort Max is far more affordable than the old one was, but the old one has already bested the mold that the new one is being reshelled from.

Therefore, because of how much I already prefer Encore Fort Max over Generations Metroplex, the new Fort Max that's being made from Metroplex is really going to have to knock my socks off if it wants to me to like it as much as, if not more than, the old Fort Max.

Good point. I'm willing to, and do, pay a lot more money for Masterpiece and 3rd party Transformers. Even with those lines, I don't buy repaints unless its a cheap knockoff.

If I care about a character, I'll care about the toy, as long as it is faithful. With few exceptions, I don't feel that Hasbro has been very faithful to characters. That has made me very critical. If the 3rd party market can do it, so can Hasbro, they just don't want to.

News Credits: 1350 · Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:43 am

The problem is though you can't compare hasbro releases to third party stuff as they are different. Hasbro has to abide by all toy guidelines and have a lot more bureaucracy. Third party have none of that but have the higher prices to make up for their limited appeal and limited production run.

An even better way to look at it is by the following:

Hasbro sell to everyone
Third party sell to collectors only.

Takara are different as the Japanese market is different, as their masterpiece and encore line demonstrate.

So saying that hasbro can do what third parties can do is false thinking

News Credits: 122 · Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:50 am

Not to mention 3rd Parties are bound to G1 or other periodic interpretations of characters that Hasbro has already defined.

News Credits: 6 · Sun Dec 06, 2015 2:22 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:The problem is though you can't compare hasbro releases to third party stuff as they are different. Hasbro has to abide by all toy guidelines and have a lot more bureaucracy. Third party have none of that but have the higher prices to make up for their limited appeal and limited production run.

An even better way to look at it is by the following:

Hasbro sell to everyone
Third party sell to collectors only.

Takara are different as the Japanese market is different, as their masterpiece and encore line demonstrate.

So saying that hasbro can do what third parties can do is false thinking

This. Theres a reason most 3Ps work out of china.

News Credits: 1646 · Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:32 pm

Yeah, I agree that IDW makes me want a more MTMTE styled Fort Max, and the fact that this guy is closer to G1 than IDW is disappointing, especially since the treads are no longer there. I will still buy him though, just wish he was smaller and/or more IDW.

Plus 3rd party arguments just aren't fair. We're talking $15 to $95 for the same size figure. Not really a fair comparison

News Credits: 12 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:18 pm

Whether I get TR Fort Max depends on a few things:

1: Whether he's compatible or not with Warden in case his official Headmaster is dreadful.
2: Whether I find Encore Fort Max and Warden for a (relatively) sensible price in the meantime.
3: Whether I have the money and space when he's released.

I don't mind him being a retool of Gen Metroplex as I have no intent on buying that figure (I'm personally after the Maketoys Utopia as he's a bit smaller and he just looks a better toy) but considering what a superb toy G1 Fort Max is, he's got a LOT to live up to.

News Credits: 21 · Sun May 01, 2016 9:09 am

Was all voting for type icon be announced as winner from last was for nothing he shouldn't be on list it should be between omega, scorponock,

Sun May 01, 2016 10:03 am

dragons wrote:Was all voting for type icon be announced as winner from last was for nothing he shouldn't be on list it should be between omega, scorponock,

News Credits: 1350 · Sun May 01, 2016 1:57 pm

I think he meant that trypticon shouldn't of been on the list

Sun May 01, 2016 2:05 pm

Yeah, I got THAT much, but everything before that is pretty incoherent. I'm not sure what he means by "announced as winner from last was for nothing."

News Credits: 1350 · Sun May 01, 2016 2:15 pm

Nemesis Maximo wrote:Yeah, I got THAT much, but everything before that is pretty incoherent. I'm not sure what he means by "announced as winner from last was for nothing."

Ah, well in that case I think they were just peddling the myth that it was a rigged vote. Not the worse Google translation I've seen but they really need to improve their stuff

Sun May 01, 2016 3:20 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:
Nemesis Maximo wrote:Yeah, I got THAT much, but everything before that is pretty incoherent. I'm not sure what he means by "announced as winner from last was for nothing."

Ah, well in that case I think they were just peddling the myth that it was a rigged vote. Not the worse Google translation I've seen but they really need to improve their stuff

I'm usually able to decipher what Dragons is saying, but not always. This is one of those times. Ah well.