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[DLove]

So, the Devastator multiple constructicons in 2 places at one time thing is explained via clones, is that it?

I've mentioned this before, but this is the one thing about the movie that still gets to me as it appears to be a horrendous editing over-site.

[Astrum Prime]

Alright so everybody and their sideborg got to say something.
Here I go now. I saw it at midnight on opening day once.

I can't go back; because it's like seeing TF the Animated Movie after your friend that read War Within and knows Iacon is the Capital of Cybertron etc... explains all the plot holes to you then you can't watch your aniversary DVD ever again without cringing.

Here's the schitck Transformers is as campy or as deep as they make it. Have you ever gone back and really seen G-1 episodes? I'm trying not to troll but. Well you know...

This is Micheal Bay's version of TF. It's a franchise that's had the worst corporate activated writing and on the other season 1-2 of BeastWars. Bay is going to make it loud expensive, flashy and shallow because that's his style. Yes I'd love it if Spielberg or maybe Ridley Scott tried his hand at the sequel but one has to accept these things.

So short of Quantum Brute Force Hacking (TF1 movie pun intended) our way into the video files of TF3 and letting the best of us edit it for our own enjoyment then distributing it on the net, then I suggest we take a deep breath and repeat this to ourselves; "It's only a summer blockbuster and not the end of the world" and maybe also "Maybe it'll attract some more people into our fold".

Astrum Prime reporting from up there OUT.

[flix]

saw the movie when it came out... didn't really like it. (posted comments about it)
my wife said I was trippin so I went out and saw it again a few days ago and I must say I liked ita lot better. There was a lot of stuff I missed the first time

my major dislikes remain
- the fallen was perfectly useless in every way... Megatron could have cooked this up on his own.
- Why is megatron taking orders from the fallen , at least let him be disobediant at some point.
- Although devastator was cool, the idea to make him out of clones is dumb.
- Devastatoor gets destroyed by man... what is fun about that?
- why ressurect characters that are dead (bonecrusher) and forget about characters that are still alive (Barricade).
- I kind of missed the funny but tense dialogues between sam and the other characters (there were a lot of attempts but the only one I really liked was between mikaela and sam in the library - the diesel discussion)
- I was hoping for a bit more lennox backstory in this movie because the army unit scenes were quite good in the first movie... too bad.

what i liked most about the movie is that it has a real ending and that they set up the franchise in a manner that could make a lot more of these movies...which automaticly will mean more toys

[videohawk03]

The new charictors were cool aswell as the specail effects but charictor devollepment for some (most) new charictors was KINDA SHOTTY... Like all of these new autobots were like POOF! I'm here!


S P O I L E R S

Like Sideswipe, the twins, Arcees didn't get any back story ... like, AT ALL And Sidewipe is Jazz, let's face it, he's like the same guy NOT THAT I'M COMPLAINING!!! Jazz was an awesome bot and Sideswipe didn't get ripped in half! You see it a second time and everything falls into place PERFECTLY!!!! You understand the jumpy and confusing plot!!!
Overall, GOOD, no, GRATE MOVIE!!! Now if you excuse me, I think I'm gunna see Transformers 2 again!!!

[tf dutchie]

After all the posts, I couldn't resist the say something:

I remember an old thread/discussion on Seibertron about What Transformers have between there legs.

And now in the movie it became reality so didn't we all ASKED for (lets say) Transformer sex?
Or is it just that the thought (posts) about that was more funnier than to see it in the movie
Maybe some older posters still know about the thread.

[Iamwarhorse]

After all the posts, I couldn't resist the say something:

I remember an old thread/discussion on Seibertron about What Transformers have between there legs.

And now in the movie it became reality so didn't we all ASKED for (lets say) Transformer sex?
Or is it just that the thought (posts) about that was more funnier than to see it in the movie
Maybe some older posters still know about the thread.

Look on the bright side. With all of the crude humor they were having, I'm surprised they didn't throw in a Transformer masturbating! They'll save that for the third one!

[Darth Vegeta]

Loved the movie.
I actually liked the length, the story etc.
Jetfire was great.
Megs and Screamer had a fun interaction.
Soundwave and Ravage rocked.
I also like the parents in the first half of the movie.

The only main gripes i have are:
- Optimus vs 3 Deceps including Megs himself and he beats them up with ease.
Pathetic. Megs isn't even menacing anymore if he's depicted as so easily defeated.
- The last part of the movie. I didn't like the final battle. Deceps come and are shot down like fodder. The Fallen was a joke.
- The Autobots had several great chars like say Ironhide, who needed more screentime. Instead it was basically Prime and Bumblebee vs the generic Deceps.

Overall a great movie which made the Decepticons a bit too weak and should have elaborated a bit more on other chars.
But overall an enjoyable movie.
There is room for improvement, but who knows? Next time things may be better!

[Autobot Outback]

The story was..well,there wasn't a real story to it.In The First flim(Rating:4.5/5) said the AllSpark started the war,because of it's power.In the 2nd flim(Rating 2.5/5) The Fallen and the him building the Sun Hasvter(Solar Needle From "Changing Gears") started the war..WTF!The jokes were not needed,the Leo kid was not needed,and the Sam/Megan Fox love story-NOT NEEDED!The Army..Not Needed.Michael Bay,make TransFormers 3 for the FANS!!!You made the first one great,and then you got lazy when making TransFormers:ROTF!

[Wingz]

This seems to be a hit or miss kind of movie: mine was miss. It was as if Spielberg got together with Pixar to make this movie I watched it in the theater soon after it started showing, but I was not impressed in the least. Also, there is little to no comparison with the first movie's atmosphere or plots. I grew to really enjoy the first movie for many reasons, especially with its subtle ties to G1, but the second movie was just bad in my opinion.

The first movie was alright. It incorporated places and events that were shown in season one of G1: such as a transformer frozen in the North Pole (Skyfire in the series), the Inca temple (it held the "Ancient Crystal of Power" that was saved by the Autobots in G1 and was a place of significance for reading Archubold Witwicky's glasses in the movie), and the military base attack (in the third episode of the "More Than Meets the Eye" pilot, there was a mirage setup of a military base that was destroyed by the Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Starscream, where energy waves were used to destroy tanks, shown much like Blackout's attack on the military base at the beginning of the first movie). All in all, it turned out better than I thought it would. I hated that they killed Jazz though.

The second movie...again, it was like Spielberg got together with Pixar to make a pretty lame, stereotypical movie. Since when did Arcee have sisters, many of the characters (especially newly introduced Transformers) were very trashy in personality, there were crude jokes as the primary comedy, the writing was pretty unrealistic (I don't know much about any of you, but if I had a transformer as a car, I would NOT leave it behind to go to a specific college, and the whole "can't say they love each other" stuff was just silly and drawn out to me), and overall the highlight of it for me was Optimus going super mode at the end by fusing with Skyfire (but even then, Skyfire just kind of fell off as spare parts afterwards). It had way too much Hollywood stuck between the Transformers element.

The twins were the worst though ><; I'm not sure why people find images of trashy black stereotypes funny, but they sure did in the theater I was in. Their models even had the gold and platinum teeth I don't remember anywhere in G1 where Sideswipe or Sunstreaker got eaten, and the other just said,"he dead!" like it was no big deal. There were just way too many characters to begin with in this movie; seriously, if you have so many characters written in that you don't have the budget to animate them all or give them personality, then why give Arcee two sisters? All it did was take money away from scenes that could have mattered more.

To express on another aspect, the humans were just way too bad in this movie. In the first movie, we had Sam's parents, Mikaela, and Sam. Sam's mom and dad seemed to act as many normal parents would in extremist situations, they were decent at the very least as far as character goes; the love story was tolerable, but definitely not needed - no Hollywood movie is complete without an obsessive romance plot apparently

In the second movie, no one acted as a person in their right mind would. Sam's mom was completely overdone, Sam left Bumblebee to go off to college (honestly, who would do that?), Mikaela was always a bad character to me (plus the "can't say they love each other" stuff was so terrible and drawn out. Who needs a human love story, especially one that absurd, in the middle of a Transformers movie? Woman appeal? Not this one), Sam's roommate was horribly annoying, but I did like the Sector 7 agent's character this time around. There was just way too much in the human department The college girl's appearance was horrible as well. How many times have we seen this in movies, TV shows, or even anime: Guy loves girl, guy gets reluctantly seduced by another girl, first girl catches them, guy chases after first girl in romantic desparation. So old, so lame, and so cliche it hurts.

Devastator was pretty bad as well =( Since when in G1 had Devastator needed to walk on all fours like a monkey and have such feeble strength that he couldn't even climb up a pyramid on his own? The wrecking balls were just too much after that.

I liked Ravage, but that was about the only new factor I enjoyed at all. There were plenty of people who loved it in that theater, laughing greatly at all the humping jokes and racist dialog, but I for one don't enjoy that kind of stereotypical comedy. I enjoyed the serious atmosphere in the first movie with subtle comic relief from various characters, but this one was just lame.

[Convotron]

I'm probably in the minority in this community in that I don't think that RotF is a great movie. I'd like to see a well paced story that doesn't try to go in twenty different directions only to fall short on most areas. It's ironic that a character, Simmons, said "Beginning. Middle. End. Facts. Details. Condense. Plot. Tell it." yet the movie didn't adhere to such guidelines.

There is a feeling from some that there is too much of the human element in the Transformers movies. I'm of the philosophy that quality is more important than quantity. The characters of Sam and Mikaela were good in the first film. I wanted to know about the characters and where they were going in the story. In RotF, Sam was a rambling "No, no, no! Go, go, go!" character. I thought that Shia was quite charming as Sam in the first movie and this performance is a step down. Mikaela had a few good moments(I liked her interaction with Wheelie when she charms by promising not to torch his good eye). Shia and Megan were not to blame, it was the script. However, had the characters been written better, I would have been fine with the heavy emphasis on their roles and screen time.

On the other hand, we have the Transformers/robot element. Again, like the "human element", it's not so much about how much or how little the Transformers are in the movie but the quality of their time when they have it. Not much characterization was done. Optimus was a one Autobot army, the Decepticons were B-movie villains, and we saw a lot of Transformers but in a flurry of action towards the end of the movie. They might has well been the mainly nameless clone trooper and droid army fodder of the Star Wars prequels. We need more compelling characters, human and Transformer.

The Fallen was a one dimensional character, a typical revenge character but with little more to say than the other Primes wronged him so now he's back to take what is rightfully his. He sounded like a petulant child who had a toy taken away to be honest. I'd like to think that sentient beings that can live for thousands and thousands of years and have travelled to many planets are more intellectually advanced than the Fallen in RotF. A good hero becomes great when faced with a great villain. The Fallen was not a great villain.

I like movie Megatron but the way he took a step back as the Fallen's lackey was a negative for me. He was a bit of a simpering underling. Starscream experienced an improvement from the first film by getting more screen time, though he was basically a punching bag for Megatron. Hopefully the next movie will keep this brutal treatment in mind and perhaps give Starscream a larger role by having him rebel against Megatron and enter a power struggle for leadership of the Decepticons.

The twins, Skids and Mudflap, didn't offend or annoy me as much as many other people. I'm no fan of their antics but I didn't hate them. They were un-needed, though, like Leo. Now Leo I didn't like. Just an annoying character. I can understand the role the twins serve, the Jar Jar Binx of the movie, but Leo is like the annoying friend character of sitcoms without actually being a friend to Sam.

I absolutely enjoyed Jetfire. A grouchy old bot was a nice change from Rambo Prime, B-movie villain Fallen, and background cast members AKA the rest of the Autobots and Decepticons. The kind of humour in Jetfire is something I would prefer over the twins. I would have liked to have the twins out of the film, replaced by Jetfire for the purpose of comedy. I would have liked the movie to have continued on without Jetfire taking off, leaving him to guide the humans and BB to the resting place of the Matrix. He then could, along with BB, serve as a guardian while the Decepticons attack and then he could have his death scene like in the film. This way, with more time and development with the other characters, you could feel more for his death rather than a lukewarm "Oh that's too bad. The robot with the British accent just died.".

I mostly liked Simmons. If you can get past things like his jockstrap scene, I think the character has a nutty conspiracy theorist charm.

Overall, the movie had some good elements that I enjoyed but mostly and mainly the story fell short. It was like enjoying a meal for the gravy but not the meat and vegetables.

I am a fan of the first movie, which is by no means a cinematic masterpiece, but it had a good balance of action, drama, and character development. I watch that movie time and again and it doesn't get old for me. The shame for me in RotF is that I see so much potential, so many possible plot points that could have been used better or simply discarded for another time.

[Rastamus Prime]

Nah, this movie didn't do it for me. It's more about showcasing Megan Fox, and Michael Bay's annoying addictions to pointless explosions and random unneccesary violence. As far as plot goes, there really wasn't any. I mean, Autobots go to destroy the Decepticons and stop them from getting the All Spark, and now some unknown force which the whole movie is designed after rises to take over.

The movie had a lot of flaws for instance:
Megatron comes back and raves to Starscream how he leads the Decpticons, even in death. (Yeah, don't ask.)I mean it was cool, though it's a G1 reference to Starscream's narcissism and desire for power. But in the next scene, we have Megatron going to "The Fallen" and going you are supreme leader, ah bla bla.
I also noticed Megan Fox's immunity to getting dirty. It's amazing. In the middle of a fire fight in the desert and explosions are going on, and she is just perfect. Like she could go and do a runway show right then and there.
The Fallen is taken down in 3 minutes, which greatly disapointed me I was expecting like this great final showdown.
I didn't like the Transformers in the movie, as none of them showed any references to their G1 archetypes.

All in all, with lack of plot, overkill explosions, and no character personalities, I give this move a 1/5. Be that as it may, if you are a true adrenaline junkie, go see it because it certainly is intense.

[Rastamus Prime]

Does anyone else think this movie had way to much sex and bad language in it. All the humping, panty shots, robot balls wtf, b*tch this and that could have been taken out and used for more robot dialogue. Also all the college scenes could have been cut too. They told us he was going thats all we needed to know. I definitely wouldn't bring kids to see this like a lot of people probably did.

Exactly, don't get me wrong, I love me a good panty or sex scene here and there, but I think it was placed in the wrong movie. It's good in James Bond, or Triple X (the movie, not porn)but not in Transformers.

Also, was anyone else horrified when John Tortella's ass just appeared on screen? They didn't prepare us or nothing, it was like fade to next scene, and BAM! Tortella in some spandex panty thing.

[The Fallen Prime]

Despite plot holes, I really enjoyed this movie! I found it to be more entertaining than the first one. My only gripes (more like nitpicks) about this film are 1) The Fallen was hardly in it and 2) the ending battle was simply way too short; even if Prime was souped-up.

Nevertheless, I really enjoyed the movie and can't wait for it to hit DVD! I saw it twice in theaters and walked out both times feeling like I didn't pay enough for the joy-ride that it gave me. I go to the movies to be entertained and that's exactly what I got out of "Revenge of The Fallen"!

5 out of 5

[syphonn]

Also, was anyone else horrified when John Tortella's ass just appeared on screen? They didn't prepare us or nothing, it was like fade to next scene, and BAM! Tortella in some spandex panty thing.

Yeah, that was a wtf moment

[Destructoid]

I have already seen the movie.
It's awesome especially the final battle between Optimus and The Fallen.
What I really don't like about the movie is the lack of dialogue of other TFs like Sideswipe.

[Rial Vestro]

OK So I've seen the movie twice now and I was waiting to watch it in better quality before I wrote my review on it sence the first time looked like crap.

The second time I was actully able to see more of Sideways, Megatron, and a few others who in low quality can be easily mistaken for other characters or are just hard to see well in fast action shots. Megatron in low quality I never got a decent view of his vehicle mode but in high quality on the big screen he used it alot more than I thought he did. His vehicle mode actully looks more like the voyager Megatron than the Leader but the robot modes are the exact oppiste. He looks more like Leader Megatron than the Voyager in robot mode.

Sideways I thought was in vehicle mode the whole time but in high quality I noticed his robot mode is actully verry simular to Sideswipe so it's hard to tell them apart.

I allso spotted Bonecrushed in the desert who was killed in the first movie due to decapitation from Optimus. Scorpinok may of survived the first movie but how did he get his tail back? And Frenzy was decapitated twice in the first movie and Simons had his head on display so how is he suddenly dead now?

Aside from all that Bumblebee should of actully been able to talk this time sence his voice was repaired in the first movie.

Lots of continuity errors but thankfully I didn't like the first movie anyway so ignoreing all that this was a preddy decent movie.

Unlike the first movie I actully felt like this one had a nice balance between humans and Transformers where the first one was focused allmost entirely on Humans. There were still moments of WTF with some characters like Sideways who got little to no screen time before they died but with the large cast of characters they just seemed to be extras anyway.

Now I do have a couple problems with this movie.

Design Stealing: Alice was a rip off of the chick from Terminator 3, the little balls Ravage droped to steal the cube shard were modeled after Destroyer Droids from Star Wars, and the Fallen looked like Alien.

Transformers are not organic: Several of the transformers were seen doing verry organic things such as crying, spitting, and there were even hints of reproduction. Wheelie humping Megan Fox's leg, Devistator's balls, and the Protoforms Starscream refered to as "Hatchlings" seemed to come out of verry organic looking egg sacks.

Aside from that several characters allso LOOKED organic. The Fallen's mouth and later his face after Optimus rips his face plate off looked organic and not rebotic at all. Ravage allso had a verry organic looking skelliton that got ripped out of his body.

And finally...

Constructicons transform and... don't combine!: Non of the vehicles who form Devistator appered to be individual characters which individual robot modes. Four of the construction vehicles were doubled which would allso imply that Devistator was not formed by multiple Constructions but rather was an individual himself with several alt modes that formed his robot body. The main body of Devistator who I'm convinced is Scavenger not Demolisher was killed at the start of the movie and this is the only time you see that vehicle in robot mode. The next time the same vehicle is seem it has to be a different character but it never transforms on it's own, only to form Devistator's body. Mixmaster, Longhaul, and Rampage were all present in the same desert scene in their indervidual robot modes at the same time they were allso soposidly combined to form Devistator which again lead me to belive that Devistator was not formed by them at all but rather the vehicles who form Devistator's robot mode just happen to be the same as the vehicle modes of other smaller Constructions. As far as I can tell this would allso exsplain why the toys are designed this way. There are the vehicles with individual robot modes and a completly seperate set of the same vehicles without robot modes who form Devistator. So Devistator in the movie is not a gestalt, he's just a really large transformer, sence a gestalt would require him to be formed by the other Constructions which he couldn't have because they coexsisted at the same time. Let me know if this isn't makeing sence, I'll try and simplify it. I don't think I'm doing a really good job at exsplaining myself here.

Anyway... over all, I liked the movie and I hope the 3rd one will be even better.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Transformers are not organic:

According to what they said in the first film.....they are organic.

One of the definitions of "organic" is as follows:

of, relating to, or derived from living organisms

Ratched said "We are autonomous robotic organisms from the planet Cybertron".

and there were even hints of reproduction.

There have been hints of TF reproduction since G1.

Wheelie humping Megan Fox's leg,

Wouldnt you???

"Hatchlings" seemed to come out of verry organic looking egg sacks.

I preferred that to Marvels cell division.

[Evil_the_Nub]

I think of them as robots with the same level of complexity as an organism. They're living, thinking, feeling lifeforms that just happen to be made of metal. All the bleeding, spitting, and "lubricating" are just the various fluids something mechanical would have. Like oil, coolant, antifreze, things like that.

[Darth Vegeta]

And most of all it doesn't matter as the creators probably didn't give it much more thought.
It's kept fuzzy, grey and unclear as it doesn't really matter much in the end.
It's one of those big questionmarks or uncertainties you really shouldn't bother with too much.

[sushilove]

my head is going to explote...

I agree with darth vegeta... you shouldn't give a lot of thoughts about what transformers are because they don't make a lot of sense. they were created as toys and then someone invented an story to fit them...

Ok, so they are robots that transform into vehicles. they come from another planet. we know that they are gived life by something called the allspark. that's it.

[Evil_the_Nub]

Its my understanding Jetfire came to earth a very VERY long time ago, or at least that he went into staisis lock quit some time ago......maybe over 100 years ago.

Well if thats the case....how did he end up as a blackbird thats only been around since the 1960's????

He could have been active for a while, updating his altmode every so often as technology advanced to blend in better. Once his energon got low he found the museum where he could go into stasis and not have to worry about drawing attention.

[Evil_the_Nub]

Its my understanding Jetfire came to earth a very VERY long time ago, or at least that he went into staisis lock quit some time ago......maybe over 100 years ago.

Well if thats the case....how did he end up as a blackbird thats only been around since the 1960's????

He could have been active for a while, updating his altmode every so often as technology advanced to blend in better. Once his energon got low he found the museum where he could go into stasis and not have to worry about drawing attention.

I can see the first part but....

How could he show up as a museum and go into SL with out the people saying...."hey where did that BlackBird come from???"

He could have found out the jet was being sent to the museum and switched places with it before it got there.

[Iron Prime]

Rial Vestro I'm trying to understand your point of view. But you seem to be saying that because they (Bayformers) are robots they cannot be alive and are just machines, and therefore are not organic. But why can't they be considered to be alive? They are clearly self-aware/sentient, which by many folks in sci-fi is at least a major step towards being considered 'alive'. (Star Trek: The Next Generation had a need episode about this involving Data actually)


After the 'alive debate' we can move on to the organic one - but I think, given the ambiguous manner of the source material (and sci-fi in general), it is not as black and white as you may think it is.

[Rial Vestro]

I created a new topic for this so we can stop derailing this one.
viewtopic.php?f=44&t=59081

Continue on with your reviews people.

[DaveJago]

I think the first film had an 80s magic to it, it kept it fairly simple and was fun, the sequel was just a tasteless barrage of half finished wasted ideas and unused characters, I blame Michael Bay, with a different director it couldve been amazing. Also the design of the transformers is pretty lazy, Devestator was just a mess and pretty pathetic in as far as it didnt actually do anything very devestating apart from eat some sand and fall of a pyramid.

I hope after Bay has driven his interpretation into the ground we get a reworking of Transformers, which is what happened with Batman and Terminator, its got to get really **** and lose money before it can get great again, I think a live action telling of the IDW universe stories would be really good.