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Official ROTF Review Thread

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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby Collectorbot » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:34 pm

Cesium_Salami wrote:What this film appeared to be was a bunch of goofing off with several ideas until the deadline came and they just had to throw all the footage together and hope that it fit, which towards the end, it did not. I wasn't expecting anything deep or moving, but I was hoping for a coherent, if weak, series of events. I was good through the first half of the movie, but the mishaps just pulled me out of it.


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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby Archanubis » Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:02 pm

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So it’s been nearly a week since I went to see Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen at my nearest IMAX theater and I figured I’d get my thoughts on the film before I forget what happened. I had read a few reviews before going to see the movie, mostly those printed in my local papers – which, like nearly the majority of professional reviews, were fairly negative – read at least one fan’s reviews, and even checked the film’s rating on RottenTomatoes.com. I purchased my ticket online the day before, having learned the hard way that IMAX tickets for big blockbusters go fast and if you trying purchasing them even a half-hour before show time, you’re SOL. Picking up my ticket the next day at the Will Call booth, I took my seat and waited for the movie to start, hoping that I would be entertained for the film’s length. I will admit, my standards are fairly simple: basically, if I’m not bored half-way through and thinking I should just walk out, go to the bathroom, then head to the ticket counter to demand my money back, it’s a good film. Well, I thoroughly enjoyed Revenge of the Fallen in all its cacophony, though I wasn’t so brain dead that there weren’t things I though could have been refined. May the reader be warned: spoilers ahead.

The Story
Picking up two years after the end of the last movie, Revenge of the Fallen begins with the Autobots, working with their human allies, led by Major Lennox (Josh Duhamel), hunting down the few remaining Decepticons on Earth. The alliance, called NEST, tracks down two in an industrial part of Shanghai, China and manage to dispatch the pair, but not before receiving a warning that “the Fallen shall rise again.” Meanwhile, Sam Witwicky (Shia LaBeouf) is preparing to go off to college, ready for a “normal” life after his action in Mission City and struggling to maintain his relationship with his girlfriend Mikaela (Megan Fox), who is staying behind. However, an encounter with a fragment of the shattered Allspark will again thrust Sam into the middle of the centuries-long war between the Cybertronian factions.

The Good
I want to first comment on something that isn’t related to the movie’s content, but I think is worth mentioning: seeing this film on IMAX is an experience worth the $11 I paid to get in. I’ve been to IMAX films before, but they’ve all been documentaries in museums, not Hollywood blockbusters. I had tried to see the last Star Trek film at my local IMAX theater, but as I mentioned before, if you don’t get those tickets at least the day before, you’re not getting one at all. I’m glad I got my ticket the day before, because every seat in the theater was filled by the time the film started, which pretty much started at the time advertised. Aside from the usual courtesy notices, I didn’t have to sit through fifteen minutes of commercials and trailers before the film started (thank God, really, I don’t think I could stand watching that hideous trailer for G.I. Joe again). There are rumors that the IMAX version of Revenge has scenes that aren’t in the regular theatrical release, but having not seen the regular release, I can’t compare the two. I did note that the scene with Sam Witwicky’s phone conversation with Mikaela and her subsequent discovery of Wheelie had dialogue not shown in the Internet sneak peaks I’d seen before the movie’s release, but how that differs from the theatrical release, I couldn’t say. I highly recommend catching this film in an IMAX theater if you have the opportunity, before the distributors move on to the next Hollywood blockbuster – if they haven’t already.

Moving on to the movie’s content, I’ll start off with the action in the film, which, as most people know, is practically Michael Bay’s trademark. Say what you will about Bay’s directing style, but the film’s action sequences are intense, quick, and managed to hold my attention. Yes, there’s still the “shaking camera” effect that is prevalent in modern action films, and some of the scenes fly by in a “blink and you’ll miss it” fashion, but at least this time you get to see who’s who in a fight. The best action scenes are during the fight in Shanghai, the three on one fight in some unnamed forest in New York (or New Jersey, it better be one of the two), and the final battle between NEST and the Decepticons in Egypt. You wanted more robot fights, well Bay and the writers give you more robot bashings. Watching Sideswipe slice Sideways in half in Shanghai was a great scene (I agree with Sideswipe, he is good) but it’s Optimus Prime (voiced by the legendary Peter Cullen) who gets to shine in this film. From taking on a Decepticon nearly five times his size, fighting off three Decepticons at once, and even taking on the titular god-like ancient known as the Fallen (given voice by Tony Todd of Candyman fame), it’s clear that the writers and director intended to make Prime a tougher character, and to an extent, they may have succeeded too well here. There have been criticisms by some fans that Prime displayed no such fighting talent in the first film and that Megatron (voiced by Hugo Weaving), despite having been resurrected in a theoretically more powerful form, switches to the role of punching bag with Prime. I’d like to point out that Prime does basically wail on Bonecrusher in the first film and was fighting the climactic battle with Megatron in the middle of a crowded major population center. In the latter case, it is possible Prime was holding back in that fight out of concern for harming innocents, while Megatron, of course, would have no such concerns. It should also be pointed out that Prime has had two years to hone his combat skills, while Megatron has been rusting on the ocean floor for that time and now has to get used to an essentially brand new body. The two big fights between Prime and Megatron occur in more sparsely populated and open areas, giving former the chance to go all out without concerning himself with collateral damage.

One of the criticisms leveled at the first film was the lack of characterization with the robot characters and too much focus on the humans. Humans still play a large part in Revenge, but there are very few additions to the human cast in this film. The only new addition that has any significant screen time is the character of Leo Spitz (Ramón Rodríguez); most of the other new additions play only a minor role or are limited to cameos. Instead, the filmmakers chose to introduce more personalities into the Transformers themselves, though most of it is focused on some of the newer Autobots. The most obvious examples are the twins Skids (Tom Kenny) and Mudflap (Reno Wilson), who have been the focus of accusations that they are “annoying” at their mildest, at worst “promoting negative racial stereotypes.” I’ll admit, their faces are ugly, their manner of speaking is questionable, and they spend most of their screen time arguing and fighting with each other (Bumblebee even has to knock some sense into them at one point). But I didn’t find them half as annoying as some fans and most critics claimed – I’ll admit, I laughed at some of their comments and antics.

One character I was pleasantly surprised with was that of Jetfire, the old Decepticon turned Autobot. As with Bumblebee in the first movie, I was a little nervous when I heard that Jetfire would be a “geriatric” robot with rusting, crumbling parts and a memory core that likely needs defragging. But the writers, animators and voice actor Mark Ryan manage to successfully depict the character whose gone a little too long without energon and a visit to a CR chamber. The fact that he transforms into an SR-71 Blackbird, one of the most popular aircraft to have been developed and current speed record holder, doesn’t hurt – though farting out a parachute is probably pushing it a little bit. I’m also curious as to why the VA was changed from John Turturro (reprising his role of Agent Simmons (retired)) as earlier report to Mark Ryan, but that’s a minor quibble. I won’t say that my eyes started to tear up when Jetfire sacrificed himself to give Prime an edge against the Fallen – it didn’t – but it is a nobler and more touching death than that of Jazz in the first film.

Another, rather surprising, breakout was that of the character Wheelie, a name that is perhaps the most universally reviled within the fandom. Before this film, the name had only been used once, for a character introduced in the 1986 animated film known for his rhyming manner of speaking, high-pitched voice, and a rather simplistic toy that isn’t considered the best ever made. Personally, I’ve neither liked nor disliked the character, but any new incarnation could only be considered an improvement. Wheelie of Revenge of the Fallen is definitely a vast improvement over his original counterpart. Voiced by Tom Kenny and transforming into a RC truck, his accent and personality is much closer to that of Rattrap from Beast Wars than his namesake. Wheelie gets some of the best lines in the movie and he comes off much scrappier than his toy bio indicates, though “Warrior Goddess” Mikaela still manages to kowtow him. At least one of his antics could have been changed drastically, but overall, the writers manage to make this Wheelie work.

Most of the Decepticons in the movie are again limited to growls, grunts, and other sounds, as they were in the first Transformers. A few, like Demolisher and Soundwave, have lines, but the lion’s share of dialogue is taken up by the Fallen, Megatron, and Starscream. Hugo Weaving is again perfect as this “universe’s” Megatron, reprising the sinister, growling tone he used in the first movie – and this time, he gets more to do. He also get’s one of the best lines in the film: “Starscream, I’m home!” Charlie Adler reprises his role as Starscream and we get more characterization from the Decepticon lieutenant than his two lines in the first movie hinted at. It’s clear that Adler is at least attempting to channel a little bit of Chris Latta into his performance, and while he doesn’t quite get the tone, he does manage to get Starscream’s classic sniveling, cowardly, scheming personality down. The audience is also treated to the classic, dysfunctional relationship between Megatron and Starscream, right down to Megatron’s berating, and even physical abuse against his lieutenant for “his” failures.

As a long time fan of Transformers, I have to say it is a pure joy that Frank Welker joins the cast reprising his role as Soundwave. I was a little disappointed that Soundwave talks with the unmodified “Dr. Claw” voice; the classic voice would have fit well in this universe, I think. However, I can accept that it isn’t modified, especially since its Welker voicing Soundwave. The character does little outside of coordinating the other Decepticons from orbit, intercepting transmissions, and launching Ravage towards Diego Garcia – then again, he didn’t do much more than that in the original cartoon. Speaking of Ravage, he was a character I couldn’t wrap my mind around when I first saw his design. I’m still not keen on his spiky, cycloptic appearance, but his actions acquit his physique. He definitely a dangerous, deadly opponent, as witnessed when he covers the “Reedman” bot from the Deigo Garcia personnel and again when he takes on Bumblebee while he’s fighting Rampage. It’s just too bad Bumblebee gets the better of him – gruesomely. However, Soundwave has apparently survived, giving me hope that Laserbeak may make an appearance in the next film.

The Bad
There are a lot of good things with Revenge of the Fallen, but there are plenty of things that were wrong with the movie. The most obvious is that lack of exposure for some of the characters, both new and old. Soundwave, as mentioned above, has relatively little screen time, though that could be a function of where he’s situated throughout the film. Most of the Constructicons have no dialogue at all: Rampage has a voice credit, but I don’t recall him actually saying anything – it’s possible it was lost in all the background noise. For the Autobots, most of the screen time is taken up by Optimus Prime, the Twins, and Bumblebee (Mark Ryan), whose back to speaking through his radio despite regaining his voice in last movie. By contrast, returning Autobots Ironhide (Jess Harnell) and Ratchet (Robert Foxworth) have even less lines in this movie than they did in the last one. In addition, new Autobots Sideswipe (André Sogliuzzo), the Arcee trio (Grey DeLisle) and Jolt have little screen time and few lines – in Jolt’s case, no lines. It would have been nice to have at least devoted a little more time to fleshing out the new characters a little. In Jolt’s case; it would have been nice to have included him in a few more scenes than the mere two he was in, especially some of the fight scenes.

Speaking of characters, Scalpel, simply referred to as “Doctor” in the film and voiced by John Di Crosta, is great character in concept and his actions. Sure would have been nice, though, if I could have been able to understand what he was saying. Between his thick faux German accent and whatever electronic modulation is being used (if any), Scalpel’s dialogue comes across more as constant buzzing than a coherent sentence. Occasionally I could understand a word or two, but it would have been better if they had just dropped the mad German scientist shtick.

Being a Michael Bay flick, the addition of a hot chick or two to serve as eye candy for his arguably mostly male audience is a given. Revenge of the Fallen is no different, with Megan Fox reprising her obligatory role as eye candy Mikaela from the original movie. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like the writers or the director quite knows what to do with the character this time around. At least in the first movie, Mikaela has her use beyond giving Sam (the boys in the audience) something to drool over: she sliced Frenzy’s head off and first towed a wounded Bumblebee out of and then back into a combat zone – under fire no less. While she does manage to wrangle Wheelie and run Alice over with a car, both of these actions are a far cry from charging at the heavily armed, hulking Decepticon that was Brawl. Like newcomer Leo, Mikaela just seem to be along for the ride in this movie, occasionally arguing with Sam, mostly over who should say “I love you,” and even becoming a naysayer at the Tomb of the Primes. While I can’t see the film without her, I think the writers should have found a way to make her more – useful.

Speaking of eye candy, introducing Isabel Lucas as the Decepticon “Pretender” Alice seemed like a good idea, but more I think about her scenes in the movie, the more I think she served only two purposes – rather freaky eye candy and a cheap way to get Sam, Mikaela, and Leo off campus and somewhere that Grindor, the carbon copy of Blackout from the first film, can grab them. Personally, a trip to the local park might have been a better means of doing that. Pretenders were initially introduced during the “Generation One” period, though they’ve become rather obscure in recent years. Reintroducing the concept into this film seemed like a good idea and the effects are excellent, if a little Terminator-esque, but Alice’s overall inclusion just seems superfluous. In addition, the character comes off as a little too aggressive and overt towards Sam; I think even a Decepticon would be able to be more subtle. I will say that I enjoyed Bumblebee beating on her when she hitched a ride with him and Sam, and even his attempts to give Sam hints that she wasn’t what she seemed, appropriately playing “Superfreak” at one point.

Another staple of Bay films is the inclusion of a usually half-baked romance between the principle male and female characters. The relationship started between Sam and Mikaela in the first film continues in this one – and is about as unnecessary to the plot as in the first one. Sam and Mikaela spend most their time together arguing about something; who’s going to say “I love you” before Sam goes off to college and again when spending a night under the Great Pyramids. They have unrelated argument as they’re trying to hide from Alice’s rampage, when Mikaela thinks Sam was cheating on her – though this one was more legit, since Mikaela had no idea that Alice was, quite literally, the aggressor. Fortunately, the love story doesn’t overwhelm the story, but like Alice, it’s a bit redundant.

Disappearing characters are minor annoyance in the film as well. Most blatant of these is Barricade from the first movie, who disappeared right before Bonecrusher transformed to take on Prime and was never seen again. It’s not unreasonable to assume that he fell victim to the NEST alliance in the intervening years, but I still find it to be a glaring oversight on the part of the filmmakers. Barricade could have been used in the Shanghai battle in place of Sideways, just to explain his fate, and Sideways used as the means by which the Decepticons capture Sam instead of Grindor and Alice. Another character who disappears without explanation is Scalpel, who vanishes after Prime and Bumblebee break into the warehouse where the Decepticons are about to dissect Sam. The comic adaptation has Prime shoot Scalpel into pieces when the latter breaks in and it’s not a far stretch that Scalpel could have been caught in the melee and crushed. The final character to slip into the editing void is Wheelie, who is apparently just left in the Egyptian desert after Sam, Mikaela, Leo, Simmons, Bumblebee and the Twins head off to Giza. It would have been nice to have added him to the brief epilogue scenes before the credits, just to know what happens. Characters that disappear without explaination is a familiar, though annoying, phenomenon in the Transformers franchise, so we really shouldn’t expect the movies to be any different. Still, it would be nice sometimes if the writers could tie up loose ends.

The Expendable
Crude jokes were present in the first Transformers film and they’re present in Revenge of the Fallen as well. Low blow humor isn’t exactly new to the series – anyone remember "The Low Road" from Beast Wars? Still, some of the humor in the film seemed unnecessary, and some of it shouldn’t have even been considered. One example is the scene where Jetfire reveals that he switched sides, prompting Wheelie to do the same – and right after, Wheelie proceeds to “hump” Mikaela’s leg. I’ll admit, I wasn’t surprised by it – I had read about in the sole fan review I saw – and I did laugh, but after two similar scenes with the Witwicky mutts, this was just one scene too many. That scene could have been written with something better to showcase Wheelie’s… enthusiasm.

Another scene of low blow humor that could have been excluded was just after Sam’s group arrives at the Smithsonian Air & Space Udvar-Hazy Annex. As he prepares to infiltrate the museum, Simmons removes his pants to reveal – that he’s wearing a thong. Not only is this rather disturbing sight revealed to the audience, but it’s done so at extreme close up, butt crack and all. Mr. Bay, if in the extremely unlikely event you happen to be reading this, I know you like to appeal to the high school and college set who think this kind of thing is funny, but was this scene really necessary? The majority of the audience in the theater I was in emitted a very loud groan when this scene appeared (and they say modern movie audiences have no taste).

Let’s make one thing clear: I like this Devastator. I like him the first time I saw him in action in the initial trailers, even if he looked like Unicron’s ugly stepchild. I can forgive the fact that he doesn’t really do all that much actual fighting in the film. I can accept the idea that he’s so heavy that he is forced to walk like a giant mechanized gorilla. I can even accept the idea his components have copies that don’t make up the Gestalt – evidenced by the fact that Long Haul, Rampage, and Mixmaster are all wandering around while Dev’s doing his best impression of King Kong on the pyramid. Unfortunately, someone – the director, the writers or a bored animator at ILM – decided to give Devastator a pair of brass balls – literally. These “robo-testicles,” first noticeable when this behemoth starts climbing the pyramid, look like they’re made from wrecking balls, which is odd considering none of his components are vehicles that carry such a tool. He does have a crane that forms his arm that could explain one ball, but two? And why isn’t it on his arm instead of between his legs? Granted, this kind of “humanization” is not new in Transformers, but it’s been mostly limited to female Transformers characters (which, in a species of alien robots, is questionable in and of itself). Overall, Devastator’s balls are a strange and extraneous physical feature that only serves to give Simmons a shot at cracking a lewd joke at the giant’s expense.

Lastly, the award for most expendable element or character in the film has to go to Jolt, the eleventh hour addition to an arguably already crowded cast, and glaringly so. Jolt doesn’t even show up until the about midway through the movie, and all he does is stand around in the background, weapons crackling. He shows up one more time, just before Prime takes on the Fallen, using his whips to basically magnetize Optimus and Jetfire’s remains so that the two merge. In my opinion, if the filmmakers were going to spend the time and money creating the CGI model for the character, they could have at least put him in a few more scenes. They could have initially introduced him greeting the NEST team as they returned from Shanghai and added him to a couple of the battle scenes, just to justify the cost of his CGI model. I do have hope that Jolt will have a larger role in the next movie, especially since the apparent demise of Jetfire and Arcee has thinned the Autobot cast slightly. Unfortunately, it’s more likely that poor Jolt will disappear into the same writing void that claimed Barricade.

Final Thoughts
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is a fun film to watch, especially in an IMAX format, and is arguably better than its predecessor – a rarity for any film sequel. It does have problems that could have been fixed with a little refinement in the writing, but let’s face facts shall we? This is a movie that’s A) based on a toy line, B) based on a series of cartoon series, C) directed by Michael Bay. If you’re expecting something with the quality of a Sundance Festival film, you’re in the wrong building. Still, I believe it was worth my $11.
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby Friend of Da Panda Symbol » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:50 am

Good points

Optimus Prime :APPLAUSE: I, FODPS am DROOLING correctly. Didn't mind the violent nature-He-he whipped out the black rifle! Didn't mind his taken off line a little while--its the set up for the tarp scene the theater errupts into cheering and screaming! Jokes were laughed at--but no dramatic scenes was latched onto except first and last time Optimus arrives! Whenever I thought about leaving the theater...he might show up after I walk out.

The action--military, Bumblebee v. Ravage, Devastator shifting and doing the vacuum (sp), scorponook (sp), Prime vs...oh I don't know--the Fallen, any Decepticons.

Soundwave--The lack of the synthesizer :roll: was a tad annoying but lack of emotion, the efficiency and despatching his minions (ah, nostaglia). Ahem, TF3 put him into the story more

Ahead of Bay's dissing the v/as aaaagggain, was ticked off by:

Rampant sexism: Strong urge leaving theater at start of scene with Alice's attempt of "seducing" Sam. Began thinking director is a chauvenistic (sp) perv. At that point saw not one shirtless guy--preferably buff--whole film. Did I miss one? 1st scen with humans in TF1 saw some shirtless guys. Bay forgot the fan gals looking for male eye candy of the type I was looking for...Couldn't pay to make me sit any film seeing with present toothpick babyfaced Shia shirtless. Why "after all is said and done", thinking guy anywhere close to hot is the Aubots' leader? Mojo's "dominating" 2x. Sam's roomie :sad:--why couldn't he been hot? Why couldn't he seen flexing barbells? There's no middle ground between hot and dumb human females. Sam's mother gulping weed--didn't appear to me she glimpsed front of package. Where is Maggie Madsen? But no, I see--

Mikaela: Stop pimping her out Bay! She goes from "more than meets the eye" F1 to "all that meets the eye". Resourceful first film--What happened to this character? Did anyone hear it said she was already in college? Opening TF2 scenes with her, wanted to grab sick bag. Short shorts while "working in her father's garage"--or was she shooting a calenda promoting her father's garage? Was that her father's garage she was working at? Should've been in jeans at least protecting her legs from grime. The transform into white dress--I couldn't believe it! And the capris in a desert...yeah right.

OMG Sam!
[quote="Black Eyes]Sam....he was very likable in the fist movie everybody could relate to him. In this one he's a jerk, he won't tell his super hot girlfreind how he feels, he stands her up to go to a frat party and he cheats on her with an anarexic alien robot. He's just as bad almost worse to Bumblebee. Sam tries to shoo him off when he goes away to school and then spends the rest of the movie screeming at him like a miss-behaving dog.[/quote]

Thank you, Black Eyes, couldn't put it any better. It's his bad attitude MO makes his chat with Optimus the worst scene with Optimus.
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby syphonn » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:40 pm

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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:03 pm

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syphonn wrote:Somewhere, in a forum not unlike this one, Catwoman fans are having a discussion much like this about the latest Catwoman movie


And somewhere in a forum just like this one, other TF fans add contributing posts to the thread.
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby zng » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:35 am

I haven't read each and every single review that's been posted, but I have read quite a bit. Here's my take:

I will say that I had fun watching this movie. I went with my wife about a week after it had been released. My biggest gripe is the sexual content. I knew about the sexual content in this film well before I went to watch it. I must say that I was extremely disappointed about how much was actually put into this film.

I mean c'mon, if you had took out the scenes of Mikaela on the bike or Alice on top of Sam and her underwear is revealed, or Wheelie humping Mikaela or Devastator's balls, how much would be lost? Nothing!!! It was pathetic to even have that in there. A big gripe of mine is with that this is based on a child's toy. This movie is marketed to kids. You have the toys, which aren't just created for adults. I mean look at the Power Bots, they scream 10 and under. The Burger King kid's meal comes with a toy. Old Navy had children's shirts that had RotF on them...

I read somewhere that Michael Bay shot that scene with Mikaela on the bike first just to get it out of the way and to do it for the fans. That is pretty pathetic if you ask me. He should have done alot more "for the fans" in other ways if you ask me.

When we had gone to see it, there WERE children in the audience. Parents took their kids to see it. I wonder how many of them had to cover their kids eyes during keys scenes. As a parent of three myself, I know I don't want my kids exposed to that stuff. Heck, I have no passion to see that stuff! I looked away cause it just disgusts me.

So many people I know aren't bringing their kids to see this movie. Which is sad for not only the kids but the parents. Does anyone have any idea how hard it is tell a child that they can't watch a movie that they have toys of and love certain characters of?

I so badly want this movie to be edited, just so I can show my two boys. Is it too much to ask for? Oh yeah! Take out the crap language as well! Please...
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby Galvatron628 » Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:04 am

theriseofcobra wrote:Okay I posted this at the Collider.com:

What went wrong:

- Small idiotic mini robots like the humping decepticon monstertruck…
:???:
- A decepticon that transforms into a pornstar (wtf? was this a terminator T1000 or T-X?)
:???:
- Megatron serving “The Fallen” - Megatron serves nobody!
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- The Twins and “Jar Jar Binks syndrome”
:-x
- Bad humor 8-}

I have to state, that I myself was a child in the 80’s - I grew up with The Inhumanoids, Transformers, G.I.Joe, He-man, She-ra, M.A.S.K., Dino-Riders, Thundercats, Jayce and The Wheeled Warriors, Bravestarr, (Filmation) Ghostbusters… mention a cartoon of the 80’s, and I believe I was on the bandwagon... :grin: :APPLAUSE:

It’s just so disappointing to watch your childhood be flushed down the toilet with this movie - :( - and I am already consuming tons of chlorpromazine and olanzapine to overcome the possible disaster that is G.I.Joe The Rise of Cobra…. :arrow: My head hurts #-o



lol during the whole "alice the pretender" sequence I looked over to my wife and said "can you say Terminator rip off?" I compared her to the TX from T3 in other threads.
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby BradTheMad » Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:54 am

Didn't like it as much as the first one, actually I rather disliked it. Saying I hate it would be a little too extreme but it's bordering on hatred :P I see the movies as just another universe kind of thing but ROTF just went too far on a lot of points IMO.

Bad points:
Optimus Prime was way too violent and out of character, even calling Megatron names during their fight...what the hell? Prime is the calm leader, not the psycho sword-wielding slasher. I've always been a Decepticon fan but also respected Prime because of his calm and in this movie he was just...mental.

My all time favorite Megatron got neutered and was portrayed as a sort of rip-off Darth Vader. Even worse; he called the Fallen "master", followed him around like a puppy and the Fallen even called him apprentice! I was waiting for lightsaber sounds right there and then.
Also, the real Megatron would rather die than call somebody his master. Alternative universe yes, but keep the characters' true character intact please, it's why we loved them in the first place. I could have even swallowed this "Fallen is tha original Decepticon" if Megs had some plan to overthrow the Fallen but no chance.

The pretender; wannabe Terminator, really bad. Could have been so much better. I've never been a fan of Pretenders but I kind of liked them being socially awkward and not knowing or being able to perform errr..."biological relationships" like in the Marvel comics instead of trying to hump every single second.

Decepticons really got it in this movie, which is to be expected as they always get their tailpipes kicked in some way, but this was way beyond funny. They were much too weak and were slaughtered easily whilst not a single Autobot fell (Prime not counting but hey he came back). I mean they totally outnumbered the humans and the Autobots but got massacred.
Ravager, Scorponok and many more, gone in a heartbeat...thought it was supposed to be their revenge?! They should have titled it "Kill all Decepticons".
It really makes me dread the last movie as I'm afraid it will be a "good conquers all"- flick where all Decepticons die, the Autobots win and Sam and what's her name marry, have lots of babies and Bumblebee transforming into a toddler walker or something...
I'd so prefer an open ending or the two sides having to fight together in face of a bigger threat like Unicron or...whatever. Fat chance I guess as Bay-verse is the ultimate black and white; good vs. really, really evil. G1 was like that too most of the time but it wasn't so one-sided IMO.

Stop using names like Matrix of Leadership, the Fallen and Seekers if you make something completely else out of them! It was really confusing the heck out of me! Just introduce your own stuff with new names, I'd seriously prefer that over this.

Old Transformers walking around on a crutch?! These guys can live up to millions of years without problems but a couple of hundred years cripples Jetfire? Again..Bay-verse gone a little too crazy there. We're talking about robots not biological life-forms.
Another thing that irked me even more; Transformer babies born in blue womb-like sacks..just NO!

Lame humor only little boys with raging hormones will find funny, yes I'm a guy but no I don't like all the so-called sex-stuff in it; too much is too much.

The whole Witwicky the amazing hero shtick...please, I honestly do not care about a single human character. They just aren't in depth enough to care about them and the whole romance thing was very badly done (bad script, even worse acting) and could have been fast-forwarded.
Also, a human getting some trippy vision from the original Primes in Autobot-heaven about sacrifice and yadda yadda was just overdone.

Skids and Mudflap...kill them...kill them with fire! It's Jar-Jar Binks and his retarded twin-brother!


Good points:
The relationship between Megs and Starscream; so wonderfully in character, especially when they retreated at the end of the movie. Loved that!
They at least did something good with two of my favorite chars.

Soundwave; cool new design which didn't totally forgot the original character, I wooted when Ravage ejected.

Constructicons! I loved those guys but so little screen time...would have loved to hear them talk and interact more. All the Constructiclones running around though was..confusing and so wrong :P

The new "doctor", actually liked him and his fake German accent. Comic relief too but in a dark and twisted way which fit in.

CGI has also definitely gone up a notch from the last movie, I could tell more money (and time?) was invested. Of course they didn't have the re-invent the wheel and some of the work was already done but kudos to the CGI-artists.

Conclusion:
I'd give it a three out of ten. Forgot about the characters, lack of story and just see it as a "robo's bash each other to kingdom come"-flick and it's a nice filler for an otherwise boring day.
Oh and just in case: Yes I prefer G1 over all the other continuities out there, but I don't see it as the holy grail of TF that everything should aspire to; each to his own as I say. I however just fail to see the "TF-ness" in this movie which I did get in the first one.
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread- Name!?!

Postby deceptibot01 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:45 am

How would you explain Devastators sudden reincarnation at the end of the ROTF movie? I mean, he was a military tank, but he dies at the end of the first one. Then he randomly reapears at the construction site as a Multi-robot sucking decepticon? :???:


Also, whats with the robo-chick? I mean, i havent kept up with transformers before the movie, to be honest, i had no idea what they were outside of the very confuzzing but awsome toys i had, so for my unknowledgable person like myself, since when did transformers turn into humans? I'm conffused lol... :?
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread- Name!?!

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:24 am

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deceptibot01 wrote:How would you explain Devastators sudden reincarnation at the end of the ROTF movie? I mean, he was a military tank, but he dies at the end of the first one. Then he randomly reapears at the construction site as a Multi-robot sucking decepticon? :???:


It was a mistake. The tank was supposed to be Brawl, but they screwed it up. I guess it was OK to overlook such a small mistake in a movie with much larger mistakes.


Also, whats with the robo-chick? I mean, i havent kept up with transformers before the movie, to be honest, i had no idea what they were outside of the very confuzzing but awsome toys i had, so for my unknowledgable person like myself, since when did transformers turn into humans? I'm conffused lol... :?


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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby SamYarbrough77 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:12 pm

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You know, I took my girlfriend to see the movie and it was the second time i had seen it...I enjoyed it a hell of a lot more than the first time! I even really liked it. The only places it lags is after prime dies, then there is a stretch where you don't see too much action... I will buy it on the dvd...I never thought Id say it but I feel that besides bb skids and mudflap there really is no autobot character development and we got cool new autobots. Two things I will bash though
1. Autobots should not be treated like animals locked away lifeless in alt mode when not in use
2.I really could care less about the Josh duhamels/tyrese characters... its borderline cheesey with me imo
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby Loose » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:36 am

i think they crammed to much into the movie. sure there are lots of robot, but i think they should introduce who's who for the regular moviegoers and for the robots themselves, i think they should interact more to each other.kinda like the new star trek movie. Every character that the fans know and love was given the spotlight. about the military secret weapon to take out Devastator, i prefer if all the Autobout gang up to take him down..
Well.. that's all I can say ..3 out of 5
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby wrecknrule » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:32 am

saw the movie a couple of weeks back and i really expected to hate the twins - but y'know what, they're not all that bad- sure they're not anywhere near as cool as the original twins, but in the context of this continuity, it works pretty well.

Also loved the Constructicons - always been a fan of the gestalt concept and thought it was handled pretty well - loved how it took quite a while for Dev to assemble - some really stunning cgi with that whole scene...

only gripe was that the Fallen seemed to go out with a whimper and how yet again, the remaining decepticons were allowed to retreat and lick their wounds - doesn't really tally with the threat (trying to blow up the sun for chrissake!) -let's just hope that the big bad for tf3 (please, please galvatron!) puts up more of a fight
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby Maxima » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:12 am

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theriseofcobra wrote:Okay I posted this at the Collider.com:

What went wrong:


:???:
- Megatron serving “The Fallen” - Megatron serves nobody!
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This struck me most of all in the film plot (aside from the constant swearing/overuse of the word "ass" and the overly massive amounts of explosions - yes, I know it's a Michael Bay film, but still!)...
This is a VERY good point! Serve or not, Megatron follows nor serves NO ONE! He follows and serves himself. His loyalities are too himself. And with him being someone's obediant pupil... that's just not Megs. I would believe it more if Megatron thought good ridance when the Fallen was taken out, but what did Megs do? "No," in utter disbelief as though he'd lost someone who really meant something to him. Umm, very un-Decepticon of him.
So, this just rather stunned me most of all.

And, God! Please... as much as I admire Hugo Weaving as an Actor... Please! No more to Weaving as Megatron! Good, God! Please! David Kaye or Corey Burton or even the original Frank Welker... they had better Megatron voices! Nothing against Hugo Weaving... he's just not a believable Megatron.

And please... NO Galvatron! Bad enough to have him in darn near every TF verse out there, just... not the movie. Please! That's the biggest turn off to Transformers for me is Galvatron. Killing off Megs is a sacraledge!


Anyways... overall, it was an ok film.


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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby wanga94 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:21 pm

I loved the movie but, as said with everyone else, the "funny" parts were not needed. Sure some of them were funny, but the movie just overflowed with jokes. Too much humans, not enough robots. Maybe have the next movie on Cybertron to keep away from the humans?
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby CybertronFalls » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:30 pm

I am glad that so many T-fans have enjoyed the new film. I will have to count myself out however.

I am a huge fan of G1 transformers, but have roundly disliked all following cartoons. I also found the first live action film to be generally poor, though with some elements I enjoyed. This being the case I walked into the second film with very low expectations, but found I was still dissapointed.

There has been a lot of discussion about a divide between "serious' critics and those that are able to enjoy a movie for it's fun. In my opinion, this is a compromise that does not need to be made with the Transformers. I think we can have our cake and eat it to, giant robot action with well developed intersteing characters and storylines.

ROTF had it's share of action, but I generally found I did not care about any of the characters. Frankly, i had a hard time connecting them with their G1 versions. I know this is a new universe, but for me the characters I used to love I now generally am apathetic towards.

I think the plot was pretty weak. The super weapon seemed to almost be an afterthought, and I was not at all fond of The Fallen, though i am unfamiliar with that specifc storyline.

I disliked all the human characters. I found Skids and Mudflap increibly irritating. I did not care for the new version of Jetfire at all. I think Megatron needed to be more assertive.

In any event, a few positive points did stick out for me.

- You gotta love Prime with swords
- I liked the fact that Soundwave was vital to the Decepticon strategy, and showed his prowess in commuications via the satellite.
- Ravage was pretty spot on. Great to see him defying security measures again.
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby Koray » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:48 pm

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http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155700

This video is enough to review movie i guess.

I bet if make a list of disappointments at rotf we can hit 100 so instead of talking more about rotf(leave rotf alone im serious :sad: ) and thanking Mr.Bay why don't we demand a new director for next movie? Even Mel Gibson would do better (except for tortured robots and english decepticons :D ).
Quentin Tarantino also kicks ass think of Prime and his katana surrounded by 100 decepticons with also katanas(or energon swords whatever), think of movie wrecker sam and mikaela get their head off (twins' ugly heads also do nice). QT can kick these guys out off the movie and give us a great and violent story and he must be our man :D.
I hate every autobot except prime and like every decepticon except megatron.
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby D-340 » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:07 am

Koray wrote:
Quentin Tarantino also kicks ass think of Prime and his katana surrounded by 100 decepticons with also katanas(or energon swords whatever), think of movie wrecker sam and mikaela get their head off (twins' ugly heads also do nice). QT can kick these guys out off the movie and give us a great and violent story and he must be our man :D.



No, just no. For the love of god, please keep Quentin Tarantino as far away from the TF franchise as possible. And while we're at it, Tim Burton and the Matrix A-Holes as well. We need a new director(as well as a new writing team), but let's go for some one who's competent, like James Cameron, Peter Jackson, or even Sam Rami.
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby Cxplorer » Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:03 am

I enjoy the movie and it's far better than the first one. I was reall happy to see the Megatron/Starscream relationship like the old transformers. The only thing I didn't like was that they didn't put Soundwave much into the movie and we didn't much of the new autobots(Arcee etc)

I hope that the third movie will be as good as the second one.
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby 8 bit » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:40 am

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Well, I'm a little late to the discussion table as I just saw ROTF for the first time last night. My honest impression--everything about this movie was epic and beyond awesome! I enjoyed the whole ride right up to the end.

There is a little catch to my overwhelming praise of how amazing this movie was; as I experienced it in a completely different way than I did the first film: I didn't watch a single preview for the movie, not one. I didn't even see the Super Bowl ad (I was at work). I also did not read any spoilers, disscussions or reviews. I even avoided looking at the toys.

If you'd like to experience Transformers from a fresh perspective and not watch the movie anticipating what will happen next, I highly reccommend taking this approach for TF3!
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby Heatwave » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:01 pm

Does anyone else think this movie had way to much sex and bad language in it. All the humping, panty shots, robot balls wtf, b*tch this and that could have been taken out and used for more robot dialogue. Also all the college scenes could have been cut too. They told us he was going thats all we needed to know. I definitely wouldn't bring kids to see this like a lot of people probably did.
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby SoundGearsShock » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:39 pm

Okay, the first movie is what turned me on to Transformers. I had watched an occasional episode here and there and kind of liked Beast Wars as a kid, but I pretty much had no clue about it. Just basic stuff. I went in to the first film, and walked out amazed. In two years, I've collected as many of the series, comics, and even some figures as I could. I'm HOOKED! Thank you, Michael Bay. I've been a fan of Michael Bay for years. I even liked Pearl Harbor. So what? I haven't seen The Island, though. After seeing the first movie, I knew he was the perfect man for this series. Director who thinks big and brings the craziness.

The only things I knew about this movie were the clips I saw in the trailers and some character designs. They all led to one conclusion: I must see this movie. Opening time came around and I went at my first opportunity. The beginning was so many kinds of awesome my head would explode if I tried to describe it an a cohesive sentence. I love the new no-nonsense Prime as the leader. Everyone seems to hate this Prime, but I think he works particularly well. The Autobots were always about scrapping Decepticons to preserve human life.

The story had been stepped up quite a notch. It had an epic feel to it. It probably could have been longer, but still. I especially love how The Fallen had been to Earth before. Gave it sort of a Final Crisis feel to it, which I usually make time to read again on my days off. These two pieces of fiction seem to be some of the most polarizing that I've ever seen. There wasn't a scene to me that didn't feel right. I loved all of the humor, even the sexual. I like a lot of those immature sex comedies too. Devastator's endowement didn't bother me at all. It just makes me laugh. I don't even care that Rainn Wilson was only in one scene, well two if you count the credits. I don't mind that Alice seemed to have been modeled after the "woman" in Terminator 3. Transformers isn't exactly the poster boy for originality. A lot of the later series even seem to rehash older plot elements. The Unicron Trilogy had three counts of Megatron being turned to Galvatron. I watch this stuff to be entertained and these movies do just that. They entertain me from beginning to end and bring me uncontrollble laughter. I'm excited to see more of Sam and Mikaela in the third movie. I can be crucified as a blasphemer or ostracized for loving this movie, but I just don't take my Tranformers that seriously. I'm open to everyone's opinion and interpretation on some of my favorite things. I enjoy Twilight, and must say that the second time I saw ROTF, I was treated to a spectacular trailer for New Moon, and I've endured all of the insults in the book from co-workers who would rather not watch it. Or read it for that matter. I have one friend who used to come and see me at work all the time and we would just discuss interesting ideas for Transformers that would more often than not make us laugh our heads off. Even a G1 purist I work with, who didn't really care for Beast Wars, enjoyed this movie and laughed at a lot of jokes in it. Just like me, he isn't sure which he likes more. I agree with most opinions about the addition of Leo, but I mean, come on! I couldn't wipe tears from my face fast enough in the museum/bathroom scene. Priceless.

In conclusion, the movie was a little more mature, or immature, than the first but it still delivered some epic action. I watch Transformers mostly to watch Autobots and Decepticons beat the ever living crap out of eachother and sometimes laugh at the humor. This film was great, in my opinion, and has left me wanting more. Now if only there wasn't such a long wait in between. We need a filler series to help pass the time. I hope October 24th is the real release date because this is a first day Blu-ray purchase. Easily my favorite movie of 2009, with Watchmen in a very distant second. And speaking of Watchmen, they do sell toys of this movie too, so to say that this movie being marketed towards kids, but too inappropriate for them to watch, is a bit shortsighted. I did see some kids at Toys R Us who couldn't be more than 10 buying Rorschach and Nite Owl. I'm looking forward to number three and I will be seeing this in the theaters more. The count is already up to three. That's as many times as I saw the first on the big screen. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just voice my opinion. I enjoyed it and I don't want any other director to usurp Michael Bay. I think his entire career has been building to this series.

P.S. Not even John Turturro's buttocks made me uncomfortable, and I'm a guy. It was a pretty cheap laugh, but who saw that coming? And it was nice to see he kept his Sector Seven gear after two years. I think this shot is getting as much flak as Dr. Manhattan's blue dong did in Watchmen. It's there and it's not leaving any time soon and if you're so hung up on something like this, the movie really can't be that interesting, can it? Didn't ruin anything for me. Peace out!
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby The Aurickle » Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:30 am


You know what, I'll give you that. I suppose my point wasn't really to "insult" G1 fandom and for that I'll apologize (let's be honest, in the grand scheme of life, robot toys aren't that big of a deal and it's nice to see people that enjoy a similar concept, regardless of what iteration it may be). Like I said before, I don't hang around many people who know much about G1 and have never been to transformers forums at all really, but this movie was lousy enough for me to actually join up, merely just to get some stuff off my chest that the typical non super-fan movie goer wouldn't understand. Whether you agree with me or not, I could care less, but hopefully we are at least speaking the same language. Try explaining the concept of the Constructicons or Autobot Matrix of Leadership to some dude sitting next to you at the bar and they'll just look at you like you're insane.

But anyways yeah, no harm intended, just trying to gauge some responses from actual Transformers fans. And I have no problem with the dollar menu at Burger King either, the crispy chicken sandwich is awesome :D


Hey spacebridge! I posted my own rant on the Roger Ebert thread. I also apologize for pissing anyone off. We are all fans here. Your quote above hits it square on the head. The ONLY REASON I joined this site was b/c I was SOOOO pissed and I had to vent to other folks who actually knew what the heck I was talkin about. I also can appreciate a Rare Filet Mignon as well as the Jack in the Box Sourdough Jack ;)

But I thought of something that could be creating such vast discrepancies in our opinions. It has to do with the whole movie theater experience. I saw the first movie with less than zero expectations. In other words I expected it to at least mildly suck. But when I saw it, I was in a full movie theater and the movie was better than my expectations.
With ROTF, I went to a nearly empty theater 3 weeks after the premiere and with really HIGH expectations b/c I enjoyed the first one so much. The result: I was sorely disappointed :(
This has got to be a factor in how we perceive any film, right?
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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby Predacon Rampage » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:06 am

I finally saw it 2 weeks later, I wanted to see on release though.

The amount of action was very satisfying, slightly a little to much humor, but I overall enjoyed the laughs. The only problem I had with the film, was the Decepticons were jipped out of personality once again, I was really looking forward to the Constructicons speaking before they fused into Devastator, or at least seeing their robot forms more before they fused together.

The non-stop action was alot of joy to watch, combat is combat, and it had lots of long combat, and it was nice to see there was at least some strategic way the combat flowed. I went to see a action flick, I got what I paid for, it's the biggest reason I like Transformers as a series, non-stop battles.

Only in some moments the movie it seemed like the animation was bad, but during the forest fight of Optimus vs Megatron/Starscream/Blackout 2, that scene was the most realistic and best looking scene of the movie.

I found Jetfire(Even though that shouldn't of been his name) was one of the most charming characters of the movie, while the Mudflap and Skids were funny and annoying. Bumblebee got alot of reduced screen time, which I'm glad about, it gave a chance for other robots to have more scenes. The only character I disliked was The Fallen, I felt he was nothing like the name he took up, nor was his character interesting.

Overall, I liked the first movie better, but this one was pretty good.

It seems as the Decepticons become more known amongst masses who only know of the movie and/or only a little of the newer japanese series, like Armada, they will get more dialogue.

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Re: Official ROTF Review Thread

Postby TattedPitbull » Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:26 pm

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Okay my turn, What i thought was, it was good, lots of fighting and explosions, the fighting scenes really show what most "action" movies leave out, I think there could have been more to explain, the book made a bit more sence than the movie, but i think the movie would have been far longer than it was if more of the book was portrayed in the film.
As far as Skids and Mudflap go, THEY ARE CHARACTERS!!! There is no racism to it! I have a comic i have made that is about lions, wolves, dogs, hyenas, other big cats and some do "speak" with hispanic, african american, white, asian and some even have middle eastern accents, but it is in good fun not in racism. I do think that the cursing was rather much, i definately wouldn't recomend very young and small children to go watch this movie unless supervised by a responsible adult.
The movie did forget to fully introduce Sideswipe and Arcee, though i really do and always have hated arcee i expected more than just two lines out of her, and Sideswipe should have said more.
Megatron was of course as always BADA** Hed really proved himself and let the fans know why he was to be feared and god have mercy on who didnt bow down to him. The Fallen was a bit of a wimp, sorry but he had nothing to him, I can't believe they put him in the movie, i would expect Starscream to do a better performance! Speaking of that little devil, Starscream was quite whiny but seemed to grow some balls FINALLY.

As for Optimus Prime and the other Autobots, WHAT A SHOW! They didn't stop when they started woopin some a**. They really made me have a new respect for them. I have to tip my hat to them. It was rather good.....for an autobot LOL.
Guess thata all i can say...'cept Ravage was a good Kitty *pets* LOL LOL LOL
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