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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Zeedust » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:46 pm

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shockblast2 wrote:
gothsaurus wrote:I'm guessing he's getting at the notion these bots can visibly look like a girl/guy without actually having reproductive parts.

As for me, I think this is one topic to just smile and accept, knowing this all started with a kids' cartoon. Trying to pick this one apart is like unmasking Vader to find a pubescent whiny kid. Best to leave this one to mystery. =; :KREMZEEK:


Unless it is Bay's Devastator, right? :D


Please don't bring that up, I'd JUST managed to forget and now it's in my brain again.
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:52 pm

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shockblast2 wrote:You do know aliens do not exist, right?
They do in this non-real science fiction. Otherwise, if we're only speaking in completely real world terms, then your talking about Transformers as actual beings (fictional or otherwise) is rendered completely moot since the Transformers as just as nonexistent as any other alien beings.

shockblast2 wrote:So you have no basis of comparison in which to make this statement......lol. Unless you are basing this on every sci fi movie you have ever seen, to which there is no standard because it changes depending on the writer of the fiction. Either or, it is a silly statement to make.
And because it varies upon the writer, that further emphasizes the diversity that goes into the creation and depiction of each fictional alien species across the mass media, illustrating that not all of them conform to the same biological standards as us humans because not all writers portray all aliens in the same way. As you say, it all depends on the writer, and some writers depict aliens that don't adhere to the biological functions of humans.

shockblast2 wrote:And your comment about sex vs gender, again, does NOT apply to a race of alien robots! Why? because they are alien robots that do not reproduce and both sex and gender are based on the fact that we do have a difference because of reproduction.
Again, sex is biological, while gender is cultural.

But if you really want me to go there, then behold! Biological TF reproduction:

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shockblast2 wrote:Windblade's civilian origins are irrelevant as most autobots were not war machines either. Still doesn't explain why a fragile robot who is not built for combat would have a sword as its weapon.
Civilians can own weapons, including swords.

shockblast2 wrote:And what Jet in TF fandom does look like an earth jet, except the movie verse stuff and Starscreams G1 bot?
B-1B Lancer
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Unlike all of the above, Windblade's altmode is a made up, generic, unspecific jet design.
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Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Zeedust » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:57 pm

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gothsaurus wrote:Have to say, the comic made me love Windblade. Great stuff. Amazing art. Good story. Highly recommended.

I wouldn't even be reading the comics if the Windblade preview hadn't pulled me in. I liked it more than either of the ongoings (and definitely more than the G.I. Joe crossover curently running, I don't see the appeal of that one at all), and I can't wait for it to return AS an ongoing.
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby gothsaurus » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:05 pm

What a great list! Is this online anywhere? Would be curious to see the same for other vehicle modes.

I guess I'm weird. I've thoroughly enjoyed both the Joe and Windblade series. Both are out in left field compared with previous iterations, but enjoying both a lot.
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:43 pm

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gothsaurus wrote:What a great list! Is this online anywhere? Would be curious to see the same for other vehicle modes.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Popular_Earth_vehicle_alternate_modes

And one for beast modes - http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Popular_beast_alternate_modes
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Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Zeedust » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:01 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:But if you really want me to go there, then behold! Biological TF reproduction:
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That still happens to be asexual reproduction. I feel we must concede that there is no evidence of sexual reproduction among Transformers. However, there is evidence to hint at there being at least sexual ACTIVITY among Transformers. Unsurprisingly, this comes mainly from remarks made by Rattrap in the Beast Wars cartoon. Stay classy, Rattrap.

Sabrblade wrote:
shockblast2 wrote:Windblade's civilian origins are irrelevant as most autobots were not war machines either. Still doesn't explain why a fragile robot who is not built for combat would have a sword as its weapon.
Civilians can own weapons, including swords

It's actually explained in the comic that she comes from a resource-poor world where guns are considered wasteful. You miss with a sword, it's still in your hand, you miss with a gun, you ain't gonna get your bullet/laser/whatever back.

And then her bodyguard Chromia, who's from the same planet as her in this continuity, gets a toy that comes with a gun. Just can't win, can you? :lol:
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Zeedust » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:27 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:If you truly knew the fiction, you'd know that Windblade exists in a post-war setting, and that she originated from a Cybertronian colony planet that had largely been isolated from warfare. Ergo, she's not built for combat. She's a civilian.

Actually, given her "cityspeaker" role, I feel there's an argument to be made that she'd qualify as a diplomat.

Sabrblade wrote:
shockblast2 wrote:And that would be fine, except for the fact that they have boobs! And just what are boobs for? Feeding the offspring of one who reproduces.
For Earthlings, yes. But is this a universal truth for all extra-terrestrial lifeforms in existence? Not all aliens conform to the same bodily functions of us humans, and it is arrogant for us to always think so.

At the risk of sounding like a pervert, given how many humanized bodily functions are on display in the various Transformers fictions, is there any reason to assume that these breasts aren't capable of transferring energon to other Transformers?

shockblast2 wrote:Now, you can see why it is silly, and is nothing more than a marketing ploy to attract females to a male dominated brand.

Actually, gender was on the poll in the second batch of options, and the fans VOTED for female. In fact, I recall seeing complaints that gender wasn't on the poll during the first bunch of options, before anyone knew there'd be a second batch.
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Convoy » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:23 am

shockblast2 wrote:As a matter of fact, I think most people who like Transformers hate Wheelie.

FTFY!
You got your first fundamental point wrong. Everything you say afterward is moot.
Birds do it, bees do it, even Super Robot Lifeforms do it. Even if it doesn't result in reproduction (just so long as they're practicing safely!) because it's fun and it brings you closer together and these are emotional beings we're talking about.
And then there's Rewind and Chomedome.

As for Windblade, I guess we could have gotten worse.
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Optimizzy » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:49 am

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I like windblade's current design... am I in the minority?
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While I love G1 I also love new innovations and takes on the characters.
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby gothsaurus » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:30 am

Sabrblad — I really appreciate the lists... and all the knowledge you generally contribute to the discussions here.

In reply to above... I DO really like Windblade and her alt mode. Took a sec to warm up to her, but now I really like. The tilting turbines are a really nice touch.

All this said, I would still love a Generations Slipstream. Maybe they can retool her a bit to deliver.
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:35 am

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gothsaurus wrote:All this said, I would still love a Generations Slipstream. Maybe they can retool her a bit to deliver.
I'd rather an Airazor from the mold first.

Like this:

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Or this:

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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby gothsaurus » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:04 am

That does look amazing! I can't see them passing up on that opportunity.... or if they do, maybe TFCC will call dibs.
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Madeus Prime » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:50 am

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Colors for Airazor look amazing on that mold. The Transmetal deco...not so much. She looks like a gender-swapped Jhiaxus.
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby craggy » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:38 pm

heh, the concept art has her turning into a plane, instead of a bunch of flappy pieces of plastic that don't hold together at all...cool!
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:40 pm

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I'd rather Generations slipstream, a female transformer from a figure meant to be female, how novel :lol:
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby shajaki » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:10 pm

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wow! both those airazors look amazing!
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Zeedust » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:22 pm

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Optimizzy wrote:I like windblade's current design... am I in the minority?

I don't think so, I wasn't sold on it at first but I've been won over. Though I would like a slightly-retooled head that looks closer to Sarah Stone's art.

Sabrblade wrote:
gothsaurus wrote:All this said, I would still love a Generations Slipstream. Maybe they can retool her a bit to deliver.
I'd rather an Airazor from the mold first.


Those Airrazors look great, but if we get an Airrazor, I'd hope for one that turns into a bird. Either one of those would be great as a "Beast Wars: Uprising" Airrazor, though. Get on it, funpub.
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Bumblevivisector » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:41 am

ScottyP wrote:I put a top coat on my Leader Jetfire's chrome parts this weekend, and now I can handle them freely without chrome flaking. Love this stuff! Gonna have to try it out on some Transmetals next.
I wonder if it's much better than the regular spray sealer I've been using. I keep procrastinating on my Transmetals because I'm not sure if I should disassemble them first, and my Shokaract already has cracks that I should probably fill in with shiny paint first. It's several years too late for any red chrome anyway.

So please do update us on how that turns out!
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Generations Leader Ultra Magnus Rumored to be on the way?

Postby mooncake623 » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:20 pm

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Seibertron.com Member Autobot Genocide dropped by and pointed us in the direction to an interesting little rumor. It looks like there my be an Ultra Magnus listing alongside the current Generations Leaders

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Whilst scanning through the transformers at work today, I scanned the AOE leaders and found the 2 Megatrons to be crossed with the movie leaders and a listing for an Ultra Magnus.


Please treat this as nothing more than a rumor for now. So Masterpiece Ultra Magnus and Generations Leader class Ultra Magnus in the same year? Will this be a new mold or another Prime repaint? Let us know what you think and speculate away here at our Energon Pub and remember keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates, plus the best galleries around!

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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Twitchythe3rd » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:37 pm

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I know it's a just a rumor, but wishful thinking: Voyager Combiner Prime repaint with a Magnus Armor trailer?
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby shajaki » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:44 pm

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Twitchythe3rd wrote:I know it's a just a rumor, but wishful thinking: Voyager Combiner Prime repaint with a Magnus Armor trailer?
others had that theory too.... this supports that speculation in a big way.

im going to go ahead, and get my hopes up :PRAY:
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Nemesis Maximo » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:56 pm

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Re: Generations Leader Ultra Magnus Rumored to be on the way?

Postby Tsutsukakushi » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:00 pm

Whilst scanning through the transformers at work today, I scanned the AOE leaders and found the 2 Megatrons to be crossed with the movie leaders and a listing for an Ultra Magnus.


Think this is great news as I love the TF Leader scale toys and love the Ultra Magnus character toys.

What I'd like to see in a Generations Leader scale Ultra Magnus is the IDW G-1 comic art designs used on the toy sculpt. Want it to be a huge one piece transformation back and forth. Don't want to see any parts forming combined modes.
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Re: Official Transformers Generations Thrilling 30 Discussion Thread

Postby Mkall » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:09 pm

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Twitchythe3rd wrote:I know it's a just a rumor, but wishful thinking: Voyager Combiner Prime repaint with a Magnus Armor trailer?

Honestly, I hope not. I hate that mold for Prime. Could it look ok if covered in armour? Maybe, but I'd rather see a full new figure.
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