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Me too. Although Nemesis Prime has some good points on not speculating too much.

Still, if this new story goes in an unusual new direction, I am all for it.

I think Megs and Prime were brothers it's possible right?

Yah, I always wondered that. Since Peter Cullen said it, its probably true. Hope they give some info on the sequel!

~Prime

In my fanfic I am going ahead with the speculation that Prime and Megs are brothers.

As am I with mine. I may post it on fanfiction.net at some point if I'm feeling lucky or suicidal.

What section is Transformers under at Fanfiction.net? I haven't been able to locate it.

I read a couple of stories at Fanfiction.net for a while ages ago. I'm not a member.

Raymond101 wrote:What section is Transformers under at Fanfiction.net? I haven't been able to locate it.

I read a couple of stories at Fanfiction.net for a while ages ago. I'm not a member.

Look under cartoons.

I'm thinking Optimus was referring to Megatron as a brother metaphorically. As Cybertronians they would be brothers, not a sibling reference.

Well I thought he mean metal and uh...would you say they had oil for blood?

In my fanfiction I wanted to convey the painfully ironic and divisive nature of war, so I wrote that Optimus and Megatron were once best friends. This movie made them brothers. And that, if you ask me, was the best decision he could have made, and THIS is why...

That's the way war is. It can split families, set the best of friends at each other's throats, turn parents against children or children against each other... That's the ironic part. If it wasn't for war, folks would be happy. Families would be whole, friends wouldn't have to become enemies, and people wouldn't have to turn on their own kin.

Side A calls Side B evil, Side B thinks Side A is wrong AND stupid, both sides demonize each other's ideals and each other in general... But the real evil is the war itself, because I have found that in most cases neither side is really right or wrong, and neither side is evil. Both sides genuinely believe that what they are doing is The Right Thing. The only difference is often that one side believes the ends justify the means, and the other side doesn't.

Megatron himself (G1 version most of all) is a good way to illustrate this, as his motto is said to be 'peace through tyranny'. Now, isn't peace a good thing? Isn't it a noble ideal? The problem lies in how he's going about it. He believes the ends justify the means, no matter how nasty the means may be, and he just doesn't seem to understand that people don't react well to that. In seeking to create peace through tyranny, he essentially thwarts himself. Wherever there's tyranny, you damn well better believe there's going to be SOMEBODY fighting it. And believe me, that AIN'T peace.

More often than not, the only thing that separates the two sides is an ideal, a self-imposed artificial division. The division itself is a trivial thing; they're the same but they think they're so different. It's apparently in the nature of all sentient beings to create boundaries between ourselves, to create an 'us' and a 'them', when in reality there ISN'T an 'us' OR a 'them'. How much pain would be avoided if people (or Transformers) could see that? How many lives would be saved?

In my opinion, war is very rarely absolutely necessary. There's usually a peaceful solution, if people would just get their heads out of their asses long enough to look for it. War should be the last resort, contemplated ONLY after all other options are tried.

It's a tragedy, really. For them, and for us.

Something else that might back up the *not* brother claim....all TFs are created from the Allspark, right?, so in that sense, there is no family structure like what we humans have, as they are all created from a cube rather than parent robots creating children robots & such. That being said, I suppose with all of them having the same creator, they could all be considered brothers in human terms...one great big disfunctional robot family.

You can look at it both ways... all from same Cube, therefore related in a non-literal sense, or all from the same Cube, therefore related in a literal sense?

Raymond101 wrote:You can look at it both ways... all from same Cube, therefore related in a non-literal sense, or all from the same Cube, therefore related in a literal sense?

But as the second applies, every robot created by the Allspark would be brother to Prime...including Ironhide, Jazz, Starscream, the nokia energizer bunny from hell....all of them.

I just watched a Peter Cullen interview on YouTube and he mentions that in the original series, Prime and Megatron were brothers--and I suppose you can't go much more to-the-source than that. Cullen says, "He was my brother, you know, Megatron was my brother... how come we didn't sound similar?"

Link is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJZMO-mu8DM Start listening around 1:40 time marker.

If they are really brothers then it's just fine with me but I think he meant it as comrade...They used to rule Cybertron together, you know, and then Megatron betrayed them.

iopele wrote:I just watched a Peter Cullen interview on YouTube and he mentions that in the original series, Prime and Megatron were brothers--and I suppose you can't go much more to-the-source than that. Cullen says, "He was my brother, you know, Megatron was my brother... how come we didn't sound similar?"

Link is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJZMO-mu8DM Start listening around 1:40 time marker.

that's weird. cause if my mind serves me correctly, during the original series, prime was orion pax a dock worker and megs was created by the decepticons below the city. long story short, megs injured orion pax and two of his friends (one of em being prime's girlfriend) where then the aerial bots took prime (orion pax) and his friends to alpha trion where he fixed him and turned him into Optimus Prime and the girl into Elita One. so i dont know how they were originally brothers. look for the episode call "war dawn," that's the episode that shows all that.

PRiMESDESTiNY wrote:that's weird. cause if my mind serves me correctly, during the original series, prime was orion pax a dock worker and megs was created by the decepticons below the city.

Yes, we watched that one just the other day (I've got all the G1 episodes on DVD) so I was surprised to hear Cullen say that, too. Still, there's nothing that says the writers didn't change their minds later and make them brothers. If there's one thing G1 wasn't, it's consistent! I especially love how the Autobot and Decepticon symbols get mixed up on the robots so frequently in those...

He meant it in a "I've known you for a really really long time before you became a prick we used to be friends" way.

Ok, so I've read through most of the posts and I think most of you have forgotten that Sideswipe and Sunstreaker were originally brothers simply because they were brought online at the same time...this would make it fairly simple for Optimus and Megs to be brothers...just like Optimus and Ultra Magnus in RID.

Mattamus Prime wrote:He meant it in a "I've known you for a really really long time before you became a prick we used to be friends" way.

But then why would Cullen think it's odd that Optimus and Megs don't sound similar? I sound nothing like my best friend of 25+ years, nor would anyone expect me to.

I can't swear to it, but I recall reading somewhere that one of the ideas they floated in an early script had the pair of them listed as "brothers" in that Optimus was the leader of the civil authorities on Cybertron and Megatron was leader of the military forces prior to the war between them.

cablenathan wrote:I can't swear to it, but I recall reading somewhere that one of the ideas they floated in an early script had the pair of them listed as "brothers" in that Optimus was the leader of the civil authorities on Cybertron and Megatron was leader of the military forces prior to the war between them.

It was. That scene where the autobots are standing around with the glasses planning their next move after bumblebee got captured was supposed to have some discussion about wether or not Prime could kill his brother or not. But when the script was leaked there was a pretty bad fan outcry....probably some backlash from several other unpopular changes....& then they were supposed to have removed all reference to them being brothers, but apparently either due to last minute changes or the same kind of bad editing that kept Brawl under his codename Devastator.

I really like the idea that Optimus was the leader of the civil servants on Cybertron while Megs was the highest ranked military commander.

I believe he meant Brother in the sense that they were close or as people had mentioned, Brothers in Arms or comrades in arms.

In the prequel comic, Prime and Megatron were co-leaders of Cybertron. The war broke out when Megatron tried to overthrow Prime and conquer Cybertron for himself. I'm not sure if the comic prequels are officially considered movie cannon.

I remember the mess that the Wachowski Brothers created with The Matrix when they claimed that the Animatrix, Enter the Matrix video game, and The Matrix Online game where all official cannon to the Matrix Trilogy. It meant that you missed out on parts of the story if you didn't play all the games or watched all the extra movie shorts. In my opinion when you do stuff like that you take away from the movie.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

cablenathan wrote:I can't swear to it, but I recall reading somewhere that one of the ideas they floated in an early script had the pair of them listed as "brothers" in that Optimus was the leader of the civil authorities on Cybertron and Megatron was leader of the military forces prior to the war between them.

It was. That scene where the autobots are standing around with the glasses planning their next move after bumblebee got captured was supposed to have some discussion about wether or not Prime could kill his brother or not. But when the script was leaked there was a pretty bad fan outcry....

Do you have a link to that? I'd like to read what they'd planned, even though they didn't actually do it. Also, does anyone have a link to the final script? There are a lot of things the Decepticons say that I can't understand, and the captioning doesn't list what they say.