The Energon Pub

AWESOME!
I really love targetmasters! and this idea sounds cool to me!

Sweet idea with a lot of potential.
However, as the author of the "Toy Disintegration..." thread, I have to ask the question "are these things going to hook together in a manner that won't weaken or crack the plastic every time it's done, or are we looking at broken crap in relatively short order?"
Time and experience have made me an "energon cube half empty" kind of guy.

Not to be doubting Tom, but I just don't think this is real. There's no twist-ties on either of those figures, and Hasbro loves to stick those on theirs. Huffer and Caliburst look unregretably 2 dimensional. The 'Formers' logo at the top there looks a bit off. The packaging is way too big for the figures... and since when do first release figures get put into Robot mode?

(Plus I have my tendencies to not trust 4chan..)

This one just doesn't make sense to me. Seems like Hasbro would be putting their money into toys that are sold by the movie, and toys and are sold by next year's new Transformers cartoon. As a cartoon, does anyone think this is a direction that they would be going in? Hasn't this type of thing already been tapped dry by pretty much all of the Japanese-made Transformers cartoons?

Then again, TF2 was pretty much originally going to be combiners (Prime + Jetfire, the twins, Devastator, Arcee triplets), and then the new toys with little vehicles attaching to bigger ones, so maybe this is where Hasbro is pushing the future of Transformers for the immediate future.

Blurrz wrote:Not to be doubting Tom, but I just don't think this is real. There's no twist-ties on either of those figures, and Hasbro loves to stick those on theirs. Huffer and Caliburst look unregretably 2 dimensional. The 'Formers' logo at the top there looks a bit off. The packaging is way too big for the figures... and since when do first release figures get put into Robot mode?

(Plus I have my tendencies to not trust 4chan..)

Don't forget, though, that for packaging test they quite often have a cardboard cutout of the figure in a test package. Similar things happened with Leader Class Jetfire.
- Sam

Samsonator wrote:

Blurrz wrote:Not to be doubting Tom, but I just don't think this is real. There's no twist-ties on either of those figures, and Hasbro loves to stick those on theirs. Huffer and Caliburst look unregretably 2 dimensional. The 'Formers' logo at the top there looks a bit off. The packaging is way too big for the figures... and since when do first release figures get put into Robot mode?

(Plus I have my tendencies to not trust 4chan..)

Don't forget, though, that for packaging test they quite often have a cardboard cutout of the figure in a test package. Similar things happened with Leader Class Jetfire.
- Sam

Fair enough... I just don't get why a G1 Decepticon Targetmaster is now siding with the Autobots. I know it's just name changing.. but for aesthetics..

Yeah, I'll agree that Caliburst as an Autobot doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence either...

Samsonator wrote:

Blurrz wrote:Not to be doubting Tom, but I just don't think this is real. There's no twist-ties on either of those figures, and Hasbro loves to stick those on theirs. Huffer and Caliburst look unregretably 2 dimensional. The 'Formers' logo at the top there looks a bit off. The packaging is way too big for the figures... and since when do first release figures get put into Robot mode?

(Plus I have my tendencies to not trust 4chan..)

Don't forget, though, that for packaging test they quite often have a cardboard cutout of the figure in a test package. Similar things happened with Leader Class Jetfire.
- Sam

While I agree with Blurrz that it doesn't quite look 'real' enough. Test shots like this are quite common. I think it's more of a question where the pic was taken, as I would expect to hear more in short order if it is legit.

Ugh! I hate gimmicks. Just give me the figure that goes from robot to alt mode. I don't want lights, sounds, or figures that can be taken (fall) apart. I don't want them to be able to combine with every other figure out there. I just want figures that look good and transform.

Doing all this other crap takes away from what the toy is designed to do. Annoying.

Or, if you want all kinds of stupid new gimmicks, jam them in the movie toys. Don't put them in the Classics/Universe line that is supposed to reference older lines of toys.

All of this, and they still can't figure out how to make a toy of the third Arcee bike???

SJ21 wrote:Ugh! I hate gimmicks. Just give me the figure that goes from robot to alt mode. I don't want lights, sounds, or figures that can be taken (fall) apart. I don't want them to be able to combine with every other figure out there. I just want figures that look good and transform.

Doing all this other crap takes away from what the toy is designed to do. Annoying.

Or, if you want all kinds of stupid new gimmicks, jam them in the movie toys. Don't put them in the Classics/Universe line that is supposed to reference older lines of toys.

Hate to say it, but gimmicks have been a part of the line from day one. Starting with Rubsigns and spring loaded missiles, then in a year it was combining followed by even more the next year, and Triple changing, headmasters, targetmasters, and so on. Having a line referencing an older line (in this case G1) still leaves plenty of room for gimmickry as that line was equally as full of such things. I do agree that in some cases it does extremely limit the design of the figures (I'm looking at YOU, Energon Autobots!) But not all gimmicks are a detriment to the figures themselves.

- Sam

this would make a nice scourge repiant,or clench

If they make a snapdragon I with shat myself...

Just analyzing the picture a bit here, but the background in the bubble is from an ROTF package. The Bubble is half covering the autobot emblem, and overlaps the edge of the card on the right side of the pic, most people can photoshop and graphically edit what they want, including the figure cutouts and the loose cardboard at the front of the package, and after looking at a few of my boxes, Hasbro's logo is usually on the back or bottom of the package not the front... so Until we get official word from hasbro and prototype pic leaks, I'm all for taking a huge mound of salt...

cadenheadr04 wrote:Just analyzing the picture a bit here, but the background in the bubble is from an ROTF package. The Bubble is half covering the autobot emblem, and overlaps the edge of the card on the right side of the pic, most people can photoshop and graphically edit what they want, including the figure cutouts and the loose cardboard at the front of the package, and after looking at a few of my boxes, Hasbro's logo is usually on the back or bottom of the package not the front... so Until we get official word from hasbro and prototype pic leaks, I'm all for taking a huge mound of salt...

Well Power Core Combiners was something that Hasbro said officially.... I'm just with you on the speculation.

These threads should start coming with polls to see how many people pick real over fake and vice versa.

Even better if there was a tracker to see how well we do over time.

The description of this line makes me think of Machine Robo Mugenbine.

If this is real I love it! Targetmasters and Headmasters were my favorite sub groups from the G1 TF universe.

That pic looks 'shopped. I can tell by some of the pixels and the fact that I've seen a lot of 'shops in my time.

Seriously, though, the figures look like they're taped to the front of the plastic and the picture on the side looks like a real truck with a CGI cannon planted on it. Also, unless Hasbro is planning on doing something different with this line, figures are usually packaged in alt mode and their robot modes are shown in the boxart.

The concept is interesting, but the picture looks dubious at best.

Also, consider your sources. 4chan is a hangout for trolls and gremlins.

Blozor wrote:That pic looks 'shopped. I can tell by some of the pixels and the fact that I've seen a lot of 'shops in my time.

Seriously, though, the figures look like they're taped to the front of the plastic and the picture on the side looks like a real truck with a CGI cannon planted on it. Also, unless Hasbro is planning on doing something different with this line, figures are usually packaged in alt mode and their robot modes are shown in the boxart.

The concept is interesting, but the picture looks dubious at best.

Also, consider your sources. 4chan is a hangout for trolls and gremlins.

As it has been previously mentioned. many times props like this are produced for shows in advance of actual production which literally can be artwork attached to existing packaging. I'm not saying it's real, but it is completely within the range of possibility that something like this would be produces for a trade show or marketing meeting just to gauge reaction from potential buyers/consumer focus and other means.

And all joking aside if the pic was snatched by a /b/tard I would expect it to be posted to 4chan before a site like this.

We'll see what happens as things progress.

Real or not, Eat your heart out, BotCon Huffer!

Editor wrote:As it has been previously mentioned. many times props like this are produced for shows in advance of actual production which literally can be artwork attached to existing packaging. I'm not saying it's real, but it is completely within the range of possibility that something like this would be produces for a trade show or marketing meeting just to gauge reaction from potential buyers/consumer focus and other means.

And all joking aside if the pic was snatched by a /b/tard I would expect it to be posted to 4chan before a site like this.

We'll see what happens as things progress.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Getting away from the 'real or fake' argument a little, and going strictly on the assumption that this turns out to be legit, anyone else notice how Caliburst appears to be made mostly out of transparent plastic? I hope this doesn't make for wicked stress marks all over the figure after a few transformations. I have more than a few Armada minicons who had similar problems.

- Sam

Samsonator wrote:Getting away from the 'real or fake' argument a little, and going strictly on the assumption that this turns out to be legit, anyone else notice how Caliburst appears to be made mostly out of transparent plastic? I hope this doesn't make for wicked stress marks all over the figure after a few transformations. I have more than a few Armada minicons who had similar problems.
- Sam

THANK YOU!
This is exactly the kind of stuff I was talking about a few posts back. We want less gimmicks, more durability!!!

Jetstorm9221 wrote:Real or not, Eat your heart out, BotCon Huffer!

Cha said the kitty! Not hardly.

More Minicons Again? No, No, No way I'm buying this crap again.