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News Credits: 2 · by **Stockade** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:41 pm

Just wondering if hasbro will make these Decepticon air warriors again? I figured they made Acid Storm, which is a very kool figure to add to any Transformer collection and now their making Starscream, they should continue the effort and do things right.

News Credits: 335 · by **Down_Shift** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:09 pm

No, the've already made them within the original Classics. Hasbro has already said they won't be making those in the new Universe line.

Same goes for Dirge and Thrust.

You may get Sunstorm and... Stormstorm, but that's about it for more seekers.

by 009* » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:10 pm

I'm hoping Hasbro re-releases Optimus with a new paint job more than anything.

News Credits: 88 · by **DavidT** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:13 pm

ActionFigs.com: Although we realize that Hasbro and the Transformers Collectors Club might like to keep the BotCon exclusives as unique as possible, the demand for the remaining three 'Seeker' Decepticons (Thrust, Dirge, and Thundercracker) is enormous. An upcoming Starscream figure looks to be a repaint of the Classics figure from two years ago in a more cartoon-accurate paint scheme. Since these other three Seekers had minor color differences in their various incarnations, could it be possible that they could see a wider release in altered versions that could not easily be mistaken for the BotCon versions (especially since Thrust and Dirge also required new wings which are, so far, unique to these releases)? And while we're on the subject of repainted Seekers, can we expect a Sunstorm in the future as well?

Hasbro: Thank you for understanding what the big issue is with the exclusive sets - we need to ensure that we don't de-value those sets. I think that it is possible for Hasbro to release new versions of those characters as long as there are enough differences from the original Classics versions. However, we have been trying to get a wide variety of the Seekers out before going back to do 2nd versions. So we don't have any immediate plans for those 3 characters, but they are not totally "off limits". And to your Sunstorm question - Acid Storm was originally going to be Sunstorm, but we changed our mind. So now you know Sunstorm is on the short list of Seekers!

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News Credits: 1 · by **tech348** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:31 pm

DavidT wrote:
Hasbro: However, we have been trying to get a wide variety of the Seekers out before going back to do 2nd versions. So we don't have any immediate plans for those 3 characters, but they are not totally "off limits". And to your Sunstorm question - Acid Storm was originally going to be Sunstorm, but we changed our mind. So now you know Sunstorm is on the short list of Seekers!

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Yeah baby. Give me Thrust,Thundercracker,Dirge and Sunstorm. It goes to show if we moan enough they will probably listen 8-}

. But seriously I'm glad that the Botcon people can still call there seekers exclusive and the general public can finish there set. But I will believe it when I see it.

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:51 pm

whatever.

News Credits: 335 · by **Down_Shift** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:26 pm

Doesn't matter what they say, they still won't do it. It would upset more fans then it does appease.

News Credits: 88 · by **DavidT** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:31 pm

Down_Shift wrote: It would upset more fans then it does appease.

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Somehow I doubt that.

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News Credits: 9 · by **Sowndwave76** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:10 pm

DavidT wrote:
Down_Shift wrote: It would upset more fans then it does appease.

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Somehow I doubt that.

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I highly doubt that.
In fact, when Hasbro starts getting to the point of running out of Decepticon characters for the Classics series of the Universe line,
I bet we'll see Thrust, Dirge, and Thundercracker.
Considering that Universe will be on the back burner before, during, and months after TF:ROTF comes out due to the Movie line,
these (potential) releases may not happen until a year from now.
By then, the original Classics line will be what, 3-4 years old??
When you look at it like that, it seems more realistic imo.

News Credits: 1 · by **Gandalf** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:29 am

I sure hope so. I agree with Soundwave76's reasoning.

All they have to do is make slight variations to make them different from the botcon figures. Think of all the people who missed out on the botcon releases, as well as the completists who did get the botcon versions, but will buy the retail versions anyway.

I mean come on, a chance to release three or four more repaints from the same mold, perhaps two with slight retooling, and knowing that many fans will grab them up?

Low-cost repaint/retool + guaranteed sales = very smart move for Hasbro.

by **Ultra Prime** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:42 am

Want Classics Thundercracker = Buy Henkei Thundercracker.

Be realistic folks. If Hasbro mass releases a Universe (Classics 2.0) Thundercracker, Dirge & Thrust no one will ever trust the exclusivity of the Botcon sets ever again. I would imagine that Hasbro does not want to take that risk and mess things up for the TFCC.

Although since Skywarp was only a Target 2-pack exclusive with Magnus a more anime correct paint job and decoed Skywarp released later isn't too far out of the realm of possibilities.

by **Bonger** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:50 am

Counterpunch wrote:whatever.

ditto

News Credits: 21 · by **Skice** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:50 am

We have Henkei Thundercracker so we don't need him now. I would rather see Hasbro complete the Rainmakers if anything.

News Credits: 387 · by **Nekoman** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:11 am

Cyclonus wrote:It would upset more fans then it does appease.

QFT. No one was upset when Takara did it only cause it was reasonable. Some were mad anyway.

Now, keep in mind it is possible they’ll release these characters, however they’d be drastically different. I would also imagine Hasbro would not won’t to discourage people from going to a convention that promotes their toys.

If they were going to release these figures at retail, they would’ve done it already.

News Credits: 7 · by **Chaoslock** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:19 am

DavidT wrote:
Down_Shift wrote: It would upset more fans then it does appease.

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Somehow I doubt that.

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Anybody outside the BotCon-visiters doubt that, and there are a lot more people out there than those, starting with international collectors.
The Henkei are good, but still cost a lot.

Nekoman wrote:No one was upset when Takara did it only cause it was reasonable.

I remember that time... and there was a lot of cursing.

News Credits: 7 · by **Geekee1** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:30 am

Sowndwave76 wrote:By then, the original Classics line will be what, 3-4 years old??
When you look at it like that, it seems more realistic imo.

I'm not getting into this argument again, but can you please explain to me how time affects exclusivitey?

News Credits: 387 · by **Nekoman** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:38 am

Geekee1 wrote:I'm not getting into this argument again, but can you please explain to me how time affects exclusivitey?

Why not? These always get the blood warm, and end on the sixteenth page with a couple guys getting banned and the ultimate locking of the thread.

Nothing’s more fun than the old seeker debate.

News Credits: 5 · by **Sledge** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:03 am

Time doesn't affect it. Hasbro publicly announcing "You know what? We COULD do Thundercracker, Dirge and Thrust if we wanted to" does.

by **Maldroth** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:29 am

You know as an owner of the Botcon 2007 set, as long at the detail was sufficently different, but still look like their respective characters I'd be fine with it. Sure it may cut the insane value on the set currently but it's still a unique and valuable set. I don't regret purchasing it one bit if the other seekers do get done in the future.

by **Dagon** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:02 am

Maldroth wrote:You know as an owner of the Botcon 2007 set, as long at the detail was sufficently different, but still look like their respective characters I'd be fine with it. Sure it may cut the insane value on the set currently but it's still a unique and valuable set. I don't regret purchasing it one bit if the other seekers do get done in the future.

I agree. I'd still buy more Classics Seekers even though I own the Botcon ones. I wouldn't even care if they only slightly altered the Botcon Seekers and released them, I'm just tired of the arguement. But, I think Nekoman's right....nothing gets Seibertron jumping like a Classics Seekers debate.

News Credits: 3 · by **Kibble** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:05 am

This topic is so fresh and worthwhile! I especially like how having the discussion brings whole new viewpoints and the changing of peoples' minds!

Next up on the worthwhile debate list: Roe V Wade...

by **bloodyfeast** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:08 am

Wasn't there only 1400 botcon sets? That's the number that comes to mind when I'm thinking about these things... If that number is correct I'm sure 1000-1200 would re-buy Dirge if he was done with a proper wing re-mold and better colours. The botcon one is a worthless repaint... sort of if they repainted classics Megatron into classics Galvatron... it just isn't right.

And Thundercracker has already been done. And done better.

I laugh when it seems that a petty few somehow think they own the copyright to Thrust just because they went to some Toy Fair. This is the one I am looking forward to getting.

News Credits: 7 · by **Geekee1** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:08 am

Sledge wrote:Time doesn't affect it. Hasbro publicly announcing "You know what? We COULD do Thundercracker, Dirge and Thrust if we wanted to" does.

Am I the only one who gives a sh!t about the rules!?

I realize what they said.

My complaint is the argument that "these have been exclusive long enough, now it won't affect those original releases." That argument makes zero sense.

I believe that if you want to be a Transformers fan now that you must be given a dictionary with the word exclusive highlighted.

News Credits: 387 · by **Nekoman** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:26 am

bloodyfeast wrote:I laugh when it seems that a petty few somehow think they own the copyright to Thrust just because they went to some Toy Fair. This is the one I am looking forward to getting.

I laugh at the ignorant masses that believe exclusives “just aren‘t fair!”, or that it’s okay to release something at retail if it’s been exclusive long enough.

But our laughs are irrelevant of the point.

by **Dagon** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:37 am

bloodyfeast wrote:Wasn't there only 1400 botcon sets? That's the number that comes to mind when I'm thinking about these things... If that number is correct I'm sure 1000-1200 would re-buy Dirge if he was done with a proper wing re-mold and better colours. The botcon one is a worthless repaint... sort of if they repainted classics Megatron into classics Galvatron... it just isn't right.

And Thundercracker has already been done. And done better.

I laugh when it seems that a petty few somehow think they own the copyright to Thrust just because they went to some Toy Fair. This is the one I am looking forward to getting.

Well, obviously Dirge is not that worthless of a repaint if people are still clamoring for a general release of Dirge.