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Shirogoshi wrote:Yeah, it's a Swax.

haha. swax!

ok 2 things.

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Tramp wrote:You can chop an arm off like chopping wood with a sword too. I own a sword specifically designed for just such tasks; a single-edged Germanic short sword called a Scramasax. Secondly, no, an ax can't be used as a stabbing weapon, They are simply not designed for it. Their blades are too wide

So you don't think that sword with the pointed tip could stab you in the neck? Wanna risk it and try?

A sword most certainly can. An ax isn't going to go in very deep becasue the edge is not at the tip. The tip is pretty blunt. Axes are not designed for stabbing at all. The blades are too wide and the edge is not aligned for stabbing.

You didn't answer my question. With the tip on that axe I posted, would you dare let someone take a shot at you throat? I'm pretty damn sure that would do some massive damage regardless if it's "designed" to or not. It comes to a point, and it wouldn't have to be much of a point to do the necessary damage. So again, I ask would you put your neck to the test?

You goofed in what you typed so yes he did answer your question.

And number 2
if you take a look at the picture I post it will show a part that is the temper/sharpening line like a knife or sword or even an axe would have where the item begins to come to a point. So I think the main concensus would be a sword because that what the most characteristics the 2 things in question have in common. It is indeed an homage to g1 however it is more sword than axe.

Now, outta curiosity, why would ol'Funkmaster Oppy P be carting around a sword, when an AXE is the obvious homage to G1? If anything, MBay.com didn know how to draw an axe. I mean, Megatron has a morning star, doesn´t he?

You did see what Bay did to the actual G1 robots? Why would his take on an axe be any differnt?

Insurgent wrote:I would say Axe for no reason other than that's what I say. It was an axe in G1, and that's what I kept calling it. Plus, a sword would have the blade going down to the hilt. This doesn't.

Though a hybrid sounds good to me too.

Well, as Robinson pointed out and illustrated, yes, the edge of the blade does indeed run all the way from hilt to tip. Look at his image again.

As for why would a sword be better than an ax? Simple. First off, since it is a solid blade, not an energy weapon, it needs to the slender enough to fit into a sheath within his arm, and a sword blade provides more cutting surface because the edge runs the entire length. Secondly, an ax isn't designed for stabbing, a sword can stab. It's simply more practical as a weapon.

Now, Tramp, what youŕe saying is, even though Soundwave HAS to be a radio since he was that way in G1, Primeś weapon DOESN´T have to be an axe? How does that work?

Whether or not Prime's sword should or should not have been an ax is moot. It isn't an ax. It's a stylized falchion, which is a type of sword. It is not an ax. FI they wanted to be really accurate, it would have needed to be an energy ax, which is really impossible, though more G1 accurate. For a metal weapon though, a sword is more practicla, and really the only thing that would fit in his arm. You can also see that the edge runs the entire length if the blade, from hilt to tip, That is a sword.

I agree that the energy axe would have been impossible. But didn't people still watch Star Wars even with their impossible Lightsabers? Considering that the TFs are probably waaaay more advanced than Jedis and Siths, it's possible that energy axes can be built.

optronix91 wrote:I agree that the energy axe would have been impossible. But didn't people still watch Star Wars even with their impossible Lightsabers? Considering that the TFs are probably waaaay more advanced than Jedis and Siths, it's possible that energy axes can be built.

Actually, lightsabers aren't impossible. Theoretically, they are indeed possible. Remember, lightsabers are not laser light. They are more akin to a plasma arc, extending from a postiviely charged lense out to a certain point, then arching back circumventially to a negatively charged flux apeture. Thus, the energy is contained within a magnetic field and it is the magnetic fields which clash and repel one another. The only things that make lightsabers beyond our current technology is creating a powerful enough battery that is small enoguh to fit inside a hande, and containing the heat. Lightsabers don't radiate a lot of heat; it's contained within the blade itself. Thus, they technically aren't impossible. What makes an energy ax impossible is its shape and impracticality. A magnetc field created by a centrally locate positive pole and surrounding negative pole, woun't fan out like an ax blade. It will go straight out and straight back. Secondly, the entire surface of an energy blade is a cutting surface. There is no point in shaping it flat and wide because it doesn't make maximum use of the blade. It's wastefull.

Regardless, that's neither here nor there. It really has nothing to do with movie Prime having a sword in his arm instead of an ax.

Actually if you watch Star Wars tech on History channel, the JPL guys pretty much say light sabers are an impossibility.

Pontimax 01 wrote:Actually if you watch Star Wars tech on History channel, the JPL guys pretty much say light sabers are an impossibility.

No, they don't. I have it on tape. Secondly, there is a book called The Science of Star Wars, which also states it is possible using plasma technology. Once again, the only obsticals are the size of the power supply and the radiant heat.

Tramp wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:Actually if you watch Star Wars tech on History channel, the JPL guys pretty much say light sabers are an impossibility.

No, they don't. I have it on tape. Secondly, there is a book called The Science of Star Wars, which also states it is possible using plasma technology. Once again, the only obsticals are the size of the power supply and the radiant heat.

But that's not a light saber, that's a plasma saber, and I believe that's been covered by others as well. LIGHT sabers are not possible. They specifically say that.

But of course, you're always right.

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:Actually if you watch Star Wars tech on History channel, the JPL guys pretty much say light sabers are an impossibility.

No, they don't. I have it on tape. Secondly, there is a book called The Science of Star Wars, which also states it is possible using plasma technology. Once again, the only obsticals are the size of the power supply and the radiant heat.

But that's not a light saber, that's a plasma saber, and I believe that's been covered by others as well. LIGHT sabers are not possible. They specifically say that.

But of course, you're always right.

Semantics

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:Actually if you watch Star Wars tech on History channel, the JPL guys pretty much say light sabers are an impossibility.

No, they don't. I have it on tape. Secondly, there is a book called The Science of Star Wars, which also states it is possible using plasma technology. Once again, the only obsticals are the size of the power supply and the radiant heat.

But that's not a light saber, that's a plasma saber, and I believe that's been covered by others as well. LIGHT sabers are not possible. They specifically say that.

But of course, you're always right.

Unless the blade is made of photons. In which case, yeah, it is made of light.

As they stated, if there was never anything to stop the light, it would just keep going and going and going. That's why the idea of a light saber extending like it does is an impossibility.

Plasma is not light.

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:Actually if you watch Star Wars tech on History channel, the JPL guys pretty much say light sabers are an impossibility.

No, they don't. I have it on tape. Secondly, there is a book called The Science of Star Wars, which also states it is possible using plasma technology. Once again, the only obsticals are the size of the power supply and the radiant heat.

But that's not a light saber, that's a plasma saber, and I believe that's been covered by others as well. LIGHT sabers are not possible. They specifically say that.

But of course, you're always right.

As Robinson says, it's semantics. Even according to SW canon, lightsabers are not made of light. The description I gave on how they work is excerpted directly from SW canon. According to the official SW database, as well as several suppliments, a lightsaber blade is formed when energy from the power cell is channeled through a series of focusing crystals, It then is emitted through a positively charged continuous energy lense set in the center of the grip cylinder, reaches a certain point (usually about one meter), then arcs back circumvantially upon istelf to a negatively charged high-energy flxu aparutre set in the guard. The energy then feeds through a superconductor back into the power cell completing the circuit. There is virtually no loss of energy except when cutting through something, and the blade radiates no heat, though it does floresce and hum. That is how they work in SW canon. That is a plasma blade.

Tramp wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:Actually if you watch Star Wars tech on History channel, the JPL guys pretty much say light sabers are an impossibility.

No, they don't. I have it on tape. Secondly, there is a book called The Science of Star Wars, which also states it is possible using plasma technology. Once again, the only obsticals are the size of the power supply and the radiant heat.

But that's not a light saber, that's a plasma saber, and I believe that's been covered by others as well. LIGHT sabers are not possible. They specifically say that.

But of course, you're always right.

As Robinson says, it's semantics. Even according to SW canon, lightsabers are not made of light. The description I gave on how they work is excerpted directly from SW canon. According to the official SW database, as well as several suppliments, a lightsaber blade is formed when energy from the power cell is channeled through a series of focusing crystals, It then is emitted through a positively charged continuous energy lense set in the center of the grip cylinder, reaches a certain point (usually about one meter), then arcs back circumvantially upon istelf to a negatively charged high-energy flxu aparutre set in the guard. The energy then feeds through a superconductor back into the power cell completing the circuit. There is virtually no loss of energy except when cutting through something, and the blade radiates no heat, though it does floresce and hum. That is how they work in SW canon. That is a plasma blade.

Yet for those of us who don't happen to be SW uber nerds, as the show stated, light sabers are impossible. That's the key, but if they want to go back and say how they want it to work, then plasma fits. But when the idea was probably thought up, it was probably one of those "wouldn't it be cool if the sword just appeared?" moments, similar to Star Trek transporters being created because the required shuttle craft sets and minatures weren't done yet, so they said "why can't they just like, appear?". A more correct and thought out term would have been plasma saber.

But anyway, here's a site you'd probably like about plasma possibilities.

http://www.exn.ca/starwars/plasmasaber.cfm

Yes, while I haven't read that article before, it doe sindeed cover the [n]modern[/b] limitations very well. Whether those limitations can be overcome is still to be determined. The theory behind usng plasma is still sound though.

Tramp wrote:Yes, while I haven't read that article before, it doe sindeed cover the [n]modern[/b] limitations very well. Whether those limitations can be overcome is still to be determined. The theory behind usng plasma is still sound though.

Never said it wasn't. I merely said light sabers are impossible, and that plasma isn't the same as light, semantics aside. Plasma is well documented and has a lot of potential. But as Lucas was orginally going to call them laser swords, light sabers cannot exist. And I gave you that site because you seemed interested in the subject, not to disprove or point out anything. You're welcome.

Unnh. Isn't this topic on Axe or Sword?

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Tramp wrote:Yes, while I haven't read that article before, it doe sindeed cover the [n]modern[/b] limitations very well. Whether those limitations can be overcome is still to be determined. The theory behind usng plasma is still sound though.

Never said it wasn't. I merely said light sabers are impossible, and that plasma isn't the same as light, semantics aside. Plasma is well documented and has a lot of potential. But as Lucas was orginally going to call them laser swords, light sabers cannot exist. And I gave you that site because you seemed interested in the subject, not to disprove or point out anything. You're welcome.

He also isn't a scientist, and canon specifically shows that they aren't made of light anyway. They're called lightsabers because they give off light, and to the uneducated, might seem like a "frozen" laser beam, which they are not.

optronix91 wrote:Unnh. Isn't this topic on Axe or Sword?

Yes, it is, and I'd like to get back to that.

Tramp wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Tramp wrote:Yes, while I haven't read that article before, it doe sindeed cover the [n]modern[/b] limitations very well. Whether those limitations can be overcome is still to be determined. The theory behind usng plasma is still sound though.

Never said it wasn't. I merely said light sabers are impossible, and that plasma isn't the same as light, semantics aside. Plasma is well documented and has a lot of potential. But as Lucas was orginally going to call them laser swords, light sabers cannot exist. And I gave you that site because you seemed interested in the subject, not to disprove or point out anything. You're welcome.

He also isn't a scientist, and canon specifically shows that they aren't made of light anyway. They're called lightsabers because they give off light, and to the uneducated, might seem like a "frozen" laser beam, which they are not.

optronix91 wrote:Unnh. Isn't this topic on Axe or Sword?

Yes, it is, and I'd like to get back to that.

Like you said, he's not a scientist. The idea of actually explaining how those things worked was thought up as a laser, he's admitted that much in interviews. He never expected anyone to actually go back and try to invent something he pulled out of his ass. So the original term was "laser sword" and you can probably bet that he didn't have plasma in mind. That's just some guy with a grant somewhere who has 8 degrees from MIT showing that in some shape or form it could or may be possible.


And it's still a hybrid of an axe and sword if you ask me.

I always assumed it was an axe just for the shear fact that G1 Prime used an orange colored axe. Thought it was pretty straightforward.

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Tramp wrote:Yes, while I haven't read that article before, it doe sindeed cover the [n]modern[/b] limitations very well. Whether those limitations can be overcome is still to be determined. The theory behind usng plasma is still sound though.

Never said it wasn't. I merely said light sabers are impossible, and that plasma isn't the same as light, semantics aside. Plasma is well documented and has a lot of potential. But as Lucas was orginally going to call them laser swords, light sabers cannot exist. And I gave you that site because you seemed interested in the subject, not to disprove or point out anything. You're welcome.

He also isn't a scientist, and canon specifically shows that they aren't made of light anyway. They're called lightsabers because they give off light, and to the uneducated, might seem like a "frozen" laser beam, which they are not.

optronix91 wrote:Unnh. Isn't this topic on Axe or Sword?

Yes, it is, and I'd like to get back to that.

Like you said, he's not a scientist. The idea of actually explaining how those things worked was thought up as a laser, he's admitted that much in interviews. He never expected anyone to actually go back and try to invent something he pulled out of his ass. So the original term was "laser sword" and you can probably bet that he didn't have plasma in mind. That's just some guy with a grant somewhere who has 8 degrees from MIT showing that in some shape or form it could or may be possible.


And it's still a hybrid of an axe and sword if you ask me.

It isn't a hybrid, it's a sword, specifically, a falchion. The blade is stylized, that's all. I've seen plenty of swords with similar, though not the same styling. It just makes the weapon nastier.

*cough* hybrid *cough*