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Soundwave being a vehicle makes perfect sense to me. I actually thought the submarine idea was cool, then I thought of the toy for it... I guess you would need water to play with it for the kids. There is just SOOOO much technology now that you can fit in SUV sized truck you know. Satellites, Computers, DVD/CD players, Woofers, Amplifiers, Surveillance Cameras, Frequency Modulators etc etc etc.....see where I am going with this? It all MAKES SENSE for the REAL WORLD....Granted it is The Transformers...These new films are Transformers in the real world.

I like the idea of making him either a radar truck or a sonar helicopter.

Some form of surveillance van, only a more awesome color like black or a really deep, dark red

Tramp wrote:Any interest is too much for someone like Soundwave who is an infiltrator. His job requires absolute inconspicuostiy. Also, Military vehicles do not run maneuvers everywhere. They run them in areas only where they are authorized to. I know that because I was in the Army. I served in Desert Storm. I know exactly how prevalent military vehicles are in different locations and what kind of attention they draw.

We have a military base two minutes down the road from my house, and down ten minutes further down the road from the end of that is an air base. We get military vehicles coming in and out of the base on our street all the time. When I was a kid, we even got a low-flying Apache to do tricks over our front yard. I love living near the bases. It's freaking awesome, even if the constant low-fliers get annoying at night. You see, My paternal uncle is a Lt. Gen. on the base and when my father was alive he demanded we live near his brother, because they were inseparable growing up. After dad died we never moved. I love having a high ranking uncle on the base. I have clearance to enter parts of the base that are restricted to other visitors. Nothing that compromises national security of course, but normally visitors aren't allowed to walk right up to the tanks and the jets and stuff and they let me ride around in a M41 Walker Bulldog while they drove around the base for a bit and did some target practice. It was awesome.

Coolyfett wrote:Soundwave being a vehicle makes perfect sense to me. I actually thought the submarine idea was cool, then I thought of the toy for it... I guess you would need water to play with it for the kids. There is just SOOOO much technology now that you can fit in SUV sized truck you know. Satellites, Computers, DVD/CD players, Woofers, Amplifiers, Surveillance Cameras, Frequency Modulators etc etc etc.....see where I am going with this? It all MAKES SENSE for the REAL WORLD....Granted it is The Transformers...These new films are Transformers in the real world.

Once again though, and this goes to Tybre as well, you are limited to outdoors, and all that equipment and antennae is going to draw attention. On top of that, a suspicious looking black van parked outside in the same location for hours or days on end? Think about it. Waaaaay to conspicuous and waaaay too suspicious. If you don't want to draw attention, that is not the mode to use. On top of that, how are the other Decepticons going to get those recordings and surveylance? As a van, Soundwave certainly dcouldn't play them back for them to watch. All the equipment would be inside him and thus out of view, and they can't fit inside him. Thus, you fall into the same situation of only him having the data and not being able to give ot to the others, particularly Megatron.

Zarata, an AWACs is an aircraft, Sure, as a robot, the individual could act on the ground, but he would be colossal, as in well over a hundred feet tall. AWACS are made from airliners. They're huge. That is the limitation there. A Submarine is even bigger. They're several hundred feet in length. Imagine how restricted that would make a Transformer. Also, Frenzy was a major Decepticon character, as was Barricade. They were among the few who had speaking parts. They were also central to the Decepticons finding the location of Allspark and Megatron. In fact, they did more than any of the other Decepticons throughout the whole movie. They were, perhaps, the most important Decepticons in the movie.

Whatever Soundwave becomes, whatever he ends up being it would be rumble, lazor beak and ravage to do all the infiltrating inside buildings. Having Soundwave a big stereo system deploying into a building, how is that not the most obvious form. Who is not going to notice something like that? And I never really spent time in a mitlitary building or anything but I'm pretty sure a huge stereo would be out of place if he wanted information in a secure location. Frenzy only worked because he was a small hand held Cd player/boombox. Having some big stero system either walk in or being brought into a secure location would never work. Look at Blackout he was able to land in the military base and even though it was a shot down helicopter it still was able to get all the way to the base w/o being detected. And about soundwave not being what he was in G1 i mean bumble bee is a camero so i don't see why he needs to so strongly stick to his G1 roots as you want him 2.

glitched9700 wrote:Whatever Soundwave becomes, whatever he ends up being it would be rumble, lazor beak and ravage to do all the infiltrating inside buildings. Having Soundwave a big stereo system deploying into a building, how is that not the most obvious form. Who is not going to notice something like that? And I never really spent time in a mitlitary building or anything but I'm pretty sure a huge stereo would be out of place if he wanted information in a secure location. Frenzy only worked because he was a small hand held Cd player/boombox. Having some big stero system either walk in or being brought into a secure location would never work. Look at Blackout he was able to land in the military base and even though it was a shot down helicopter it still was able to get all the way to the base w/o being detected. And about soundwave not being what he was in G1 i mean bumble bee is a camero so i don't see why he needs to so strongly stick to his G1 roots as you want him 2.

Not really. Stereos of every size are pretty ubiquitous. My portable stereo is 19" wide, by 10" high, by 7" deep. That's pretty big, and they do make bigger. They aren't all that unusual. Portable stereos come in all shapes and sizes. As for Blackout, He was detected. He was escorted to the base because they wanted to capture the "pilot" and interrogate him. He was an unknown aircraft in restricted airspace, and one with numbers matching a downed aircraft to boot. As for Bumblebee, Sure, he wasn't a VW, but that is because Bay hated Herbie the Love Bug, and wanted absolutely nothing to do with having any character being a "Bug" and reminding him of that movie. However, Bumblebee still retaines everything else that makes him Bumblebee. He is still a yellow and black car, He is still the most relatable to humans, and he still has the Nieve charm.

Tramp wrote:

glitched9700 wrote:Whatever Soundwave becomes, whatever he ends up being it would be rumble, lazor beak and ravage to do all the infiltrating inside buildings. Having Soundwave a big stereo system deploying into a building, how is that not the most obvious form. Who is not going to notice something like that? And I never really spent time in a mitlitary building or anything but I'm pretty sure a huge stereo would be out of place if he wanted information in a secure location. Frenzy only worked because he was a small hand held Cd player/boombox. Having some big stero system either walk in or being brought into a secure location would never work. Look at Blackout he was able to land in the military base and even though it was a shot down helicopter it still was able to get all the way to the base w/o being detected. And about soundwave not being what he was in G1 i mean bumble bee is a camero so i don't see why he needs to so strongly stick to his G1 roots as you want him 2.

Not really. Stereos of every size are pretty ubiquitous. My portable stereo is 19" wide, by 10" high, by 7" deep. That's pretty big, and they do make bigger. They aren't all that unusual. Portable stereos come in all shapes and sizes. As for Blackout, He was detected. He was escorted to the base because they wanted to capture the "pilot" and interrogate him. He was an unknown aircraft in restricted airspace, and one with numbers matching a downed aircraft to boot. As for Bumblebee, Sure, he wasn't a VW, but that is because Bay hated Herbie the Love Bug, and wanted absolutely nothing to do with having any character being a "Bug" and reminding him of that movie. However, Bumblebee still retaines everything else that makes him Bumblebee. He is still a yellow and black car, He is still the most relatable to humans, and he still has the Nieve charm.

you dont get my point is that stereos aren't unusual but i they make it a simple stereo regardless of mass coversion its still too similar to frenzy and my point is people are going to notice something. There are so many ways to spy on people with ever being in the same room as someone. Also you proved my point with bumble bee they kept his essence but changed the vehicle why cant they do that with Soundwave by not making him a stereo. They can keep him Soundwave and everything about him just change what he transforms into. so by what you said about bumble bee making soundwave a stereo is a lost arguement

glitched9700 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

glitched9700 wrote:Whatever Soundwave becomes, whatever he ends up being it would be rumble, lazor beak and ravage to do all the infiltrating inside buildings. Having Soundwave a big stereo system deploying into a building, how is that not the most obvious form. Who is not going to notice something like that? And I never really spent time in a mitlitary building or anything but I'm pretty sure a huge stereo would be out of place if he wanted information in a secure location. Frenzy only worked because he was a small hand held Cd player/boombox. Having some big stero system either walk in or being brought into a secure location would never work. Look at Blackout he was able to land in the military base and even though it was a shot down helicopter it still was able to get all the way to the base w/o being detected. And about soundwave not being what he was in G1 i mean bumble bee is a camero so i don't see why he needs to so strongly stick to his G1 roots as you want him 2.

Not really. Stereos of every size are pretty ubiquitous. My portable stereo is 19" wide, by 10" high, by 7" deep. That's pretty big, and they do make bigger. They aren't all that unusual. Portable stereos come in all shapes and sizes. As for Blackout, He was detected. He was escorted to the base because they wanted to capture the "pilot" and interrogate him. He was an unknown aircraft in restricted airspace, and one with numbers matching a downed aircraft to boot. As for Bumblebee, Sure, he wasn't a VW, but that is because Bay hated Herbie the Love Bug, and wanted absolutely nothing to do with having any character being a "Bug" and reminding him of that movie. However, Bumblebee still retaines everything else that makes him Bumblebee. He is still a yellow and black car, He is still the most relatable to humans, and he still has the Nieve charm.

you dont get my point is that stereos aren't unusual but i they make it a simple stereo regardless of mass coversion its still too similar to frenzy and my point is people are going to notice something. There are so many ways to spy on people with ever being in the same room as someone. Also you proved my point with bumble bee they kept his essence but changed the vehicle why cant they do that with Soundwave by not making him a stereo. They can keep him Soundwave and everything about him just change what he transforms into. so by what you said about bumble bee making soundwave a stereo is a lost arguement

No, it isn't too similar to frenzy. For one thing, the chances of Frenzy returning are slim to none. His head was destroyed, and that is universally fatal. Even Bonecrusher, who was decapitated, could come back becasue his head is still intact. Frenzy's was destroyed by his wown weapon. His brain case destroyed. They would need a replacement regardless, and they probably killed him off to make room for Soundwave in the sequel. Thedifference between Bumblebee and Soundwave is that Bumblebee isstill a yellow and black car. The make and model isn't as important as the fact that he is still a car. Soundwave was never a car (GoBots don't count). He was a piece of audio electronics with the ability to grow and shrink when he transformed. That is the essence of who he is. That is completely different than a character going from one type of car to another, or a character goin gfrom one type of jet to another. you are talking about a character going from one type of object to a completely different and unrelated type of object; one that doesn't even come close to his iconic form. That is the problem.

Tramp wrote:

Coolyfett wrote:Soundwave being a vehicle makes perfect sense to me. I actually thought the submarine idea was cool, then I thought of the toy for it... I guess you would need water to play with it for the kids. There is just SOOOO much technology now that you can fit in SUV sized truck you know. Satellites, Computers, DVD/CD players, Woofers, Amplifiers, Surveillance Cameras, Frequency Modulators etc etc etc.....see where I am going with this? It all MAKES SENSE for the REAL WORLD....Granted it is The Transformers...These new films are Transformers in the real world.

Once again though, and this goes to Tybre as well, you are limited to outdoors, and all that equipment and antennae is going to draw attention. On top of that, a suspicious looking black van parked outside in the same location for hours or days on end? Think about it. Waaaaay to conspicuous and waaaay too suspicious. If you don't want to draw attention, that is not the mode to use. On top of that, how are the other Decepticons going to get those recordings and surveylance? As a van, Soundwave certainly dcouldn't play them back for them to watch. All the equipment would be inside him and thus out of view, and they can't fit inside him. Thus, you fall into the same situation of only him having the data and not being able to give ot to the others, particularly Megatron.

How will equipment draw attention if it is INSIDE THE VEHICLE???

Park outside of what Tramp??? Outside of what? We don't know the plot of TF2 or what Soundwave will be used for?? So Parked outside of what man??

Conspicuous and suspicious to who? Who the hell is looking for soundwave anyway Tramp??

With the technology Soundwave doesnt have to park. And getting indoors is not Soundwave's job again Tramp.

Im sure the D-cons will have a base or warehouse in TF2 THATS HOW SOUNDWAVE WILL PLAYBACK INFO. In their base. Ravage/Laserbeak gathers info comes back to base CONNECTS with SYSTEM AND PLAYSBACK INFO....How hard is that to understand?

The D-cons do not need to go inside Soundwave to get the info. You and I both know that is not logical Tramp. You have RCAs, Fiber Ops, Coaxils, any kind of way to connect to THE SYSTEM.

Scenero-------

Autobots make plans on Moonbase.

Laserbeak spys

Laserbeak goes back to D-Cons, connects with Soundwave, Soundwave connects with SYSTEM and shares info. All D-Cons see/hear what the Autobots are up to.

DOES THIS SOUND FAMIALIAR TO ANYONE????

glitched9700 wrote:
you dont get my point is that stereos aren't unusual but i they make it a simple stereo regardless of mass coversion its still too similar to frenzy and my point is people are going to notice something. There are so many ways to spy on people with ever being in the same room as someone. Also you proved my point with bumble bee they kept his essence but changed the vehicle why cant they do that with Soundwave by not making him a stereo. They can keep him Soundwave and everything about him just change what he transforms into. so by what you said about bumble bee making soundwave a stereo is a lost arguement

Exactly!! Very CRAZAMATIC!!

SOUNDWAVE WILL NOT BE A STEREO HE WILL BE A VEHICLE.

Coolyfett wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Coolyfett wrote:Soundwave being a vehicle makes perfect sense to me. I actually thought the submarine idea was cool, then I thought of the toy for it... I guess you would need water to play with it for the kids. There is just SOOOO much technology now that you can fit in SUV sized truck you know. Satellites, Computers, DVD/CD players, Woofers, Amplifiers, Surveillance Cameras, Frequency Modulators etc etc etc.....see where I am going with this? It all MAKES SENSE for the REAL WORLD....Granted it is The Transformers...These new films are Transformers in the real world.

Once again though, and this goes to Tybre as well, you are limited to outdoors, and all that equipment and antennae is going to draw attention. On top of that, a suspicious looking black van parked outside in the same location for hours or days on end? Think about it. Waaaaay to conspicuous and waaaay too suspicious. If you don't want to draw attention, that is not the mode to use. On top of that, how are the other Decepticons going to get those recordings and surveylance? As a van, Soundwave certainly dcouldn't play them back for them to watch. All the equipment would be inside him and thus out of view, and they can't fit inside him. Thus, you fall into the same situation of only him having the data and not being able to give ot to the others, particularly Megatron.

How will equipment draw attention if it is INSIDE THE VEHICLE???

Park outside of what Tramp??? Outside of what? We don't know the plot of TF2 or what Soundwave will be used for?? So Parked outside of what man??

Conspicuous and suspicious to who? Who the hell is looking for soundwave anyway Tramp??

With the technology Soundwave doesnt have to park. And getting indoors is not Soundwave's job again Tramp.

Im sure the D-cons will have a base or warehouse in TF2 THATS HOW SOUNDWAVE WILL PLAYBACK INFO. In their base. Ravage/Laserbeak gathers info comes back to base CONNECTS with SYSTEM AND PLAYSBACK INFO....How hard is that to understand?

The D-cons do not need to go inside Soundwave to get the info. You and I both know that is not logical Tramp. You have RCAs, Fiber Ops, Coaxils, any kind of way to connect to THE SYSTEM.

Scenero-------

Autobots make plans on Moonbase.

Laserbeak spys

Laserbeak goes back to D-Cons, connects with Soundwave, Soundwave connects with SYSTEM and shares info. All D-Cons see/hear what the Autobots are up to.

DOES THIS SOUND FAMIALIAR TO ANYONE????

Actually, Soundwave has personally gone on infiltration missions more times than he simply sent a minion. That was how he was introduced in the first place on Earth. Remember the scene in the factory where a human brought in a tape deck and it suddenly transformed into Soundwave? Remember the shock on their faces? Secondly, a communications vehicle with a bunch of radios and scanners and such will need multiple high-powered antennae or dishes. That is a big give-away to any passer by. Add to that, an unfamiliar vehicle sitting in the same spot for hours or days on end for no apparent purpose, with no one seeing an owner return to it or leave from it. Someone gets suspicious, and starts snooping around or calls the poilce, and his cover is blown before he is done with his mission.

Also, all those RCAs, coaxials, and fiberoptics you are referring to are just that—cables. Sure, the data can travel along them. But you still need an apparatus to actually play back or display the recodings. Those cables have to plug into something. They can't play the findings themselves, they can only carry the data from one source to another. If the Decepticons are out in the field, They aren't going top have some huge mainframe to play back their findings. Therefore, Soundwave has to play it back for them, and he can't do that with a vehiclular mode.

Tramp wrote:

Coolyfett wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Coolyfett wrote:Soundwave being a vehicle makes perfect sense to me. I actually thought the submarine idea was cool, then I thought of the toy for it... I guess you would need water to play with it for the kids. There is just SOOOO much technology now that you can fit in SUV sized truck you know. Satellites, Computers, DVD/CD players, Woofers, Amplifiers, Surveillance Cameras, Frequency Modulators etc etc etc.....see where I am going with this? It all MAKES SENSE for the REAL WORLD....Granted it is The Transformers...These new films are Transformers in the real world.

Once again though, and this goes to Tybre as well, you are limited to outdoors, and all that equipment and antennae is going to draw attention. On top of that, a suspicious looking black van parked outside in the same location for hours or days on end? Think about it. Waaaaay to conspicuous and waaaay too suspicious. If you don't want to draw attention, that is not the mode to use. On top of that, how are the other Decepticons going to get those recordings and surveylance? As a van, Soundwave certainly dcouldn't play them back for them to watch. All the equipment would be inside him and thus out of view, and they can't fit inside him. Thus, you fall into the same situation of only him having the data and not being able to give ot to the others, particularly Megatron.

How will equipment draw attention if it is INSIDE THE VEHICLE???

Park outside of what Tramp??? Outside of what? We don't know the plot of TF2 or what Soundwave will be used for?? So Parked outside of what man??

Conspicuous and suspicious to who? Who the hell is looking for soundwave anyway Tramp??

With the technology Soundwave doesnt have to park. And getting indoors is not Soundwave's job again Tramp.

Im sure the D-cons will have a base or warehouse in TF2 THATS HOW SOUNDWAVE WILL PLAYBACK INFO. In their base. Ravage/Laserbeak gathers info comes back to base CONNECTS with SYSTEM AND PLAYSBACK INFO....How hard is that to understand?

The D-cons do not need to go inside Soundwave to get the info. You and I both know that is not logical Tramp. You have RCAs, Fiber Ops, Coaxils, any kind of way to connect to THE SYSTEM.

Scenero-------

Autobots make plans on Moonbase.

Laserbeak spys

Laserbeak goes back to D-Cons, connects with Soundwave, Soundwave connects with SYSTEM and shares info. All D-Cons see/hear what the Autobots are up to.

DOES THIS SOUND FAMIALIAR TO ANYONE????

Actually, Soundwave has personally gone on infiltration missions more times than he simply sent a minion. That was how he was introduced in the first place on Earth. Remember the scene in the factory where a human brought in a tape deck and it suddenly transformed into Soundwave? Remember the shock on their faces? Secondly, a communications vehicle with a bunch of radios and scanners and such will need multiple high-powered antennae or dishes. That is a big give-away to any passer by. Add to that, an unfamiliar vehicle sitting in the same spot for hours or days on end for no apparent purpose, with no one seeing an owner return to it or leave from it. Someone gets suspicious, and starts snooping around or calls the poilce, and his cover is blown before he is done with his mission.

Also, all those RCAs, coaxials, and fiberoptics you are referring to are just that—cables. Sure, the data can travel along them. But you still need an apparatus to actually play back or display the recodings. Those cables have to plug into something. They can't play the findings themselves, they can only carry the data from one source to another. If the Decepticons are out in the field, They aren't going top have some huge mainframe to play back their findings. Therefore, Soundwave has to play it back for them, and he can't do that with a vehiclular mode.

SOUNDWAVE WILL NOT BE A STEREO HE WILL BE A VEHICLE.

If Hasbro has their way, he will be a stereo and will have mass conversion.

Tramp wrote:

glitched9700 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

glitched9700 wrote:Whatever Soundwave becomes, whatever he ends up being it would be rumble, lazor beak and ravage to do all the infiltrating inside buildings. Having Soundwave a big stereo system deploying into a building, how is that not the most obvious form. Who is not going to notice something like that? And I never really spent time in a mitlitary building or anything but I'm pretty sure a huge stereo would be out of place if he wanted information in a secure location. Frenzy only worked because he was a small hand held Cd player/boombox. Having some big stero system either walk in or being brought into a secure location would never work. Look at Blackout he was able to land in the military base and even though it was a shot down helicopter it still was able to get all the way to the base w/o being detected. And about soundwave not being what he was in G1 i mean bumble bee is a camero so i don't see why he needs to so strongly stick to his G1 roots as you want him 2.

Not really. Stereos of every size are pretty ubiquitous. My portable stereo is 19" wide, by 10" high, by 7" deep. That's pretty big, and they do make bigger. They aren't all that unusual. Portable stereos come in all shapes and sizes. As for Blackout, He was detected. He was escorted to the base because they wanted to capture the "pilot" and interrogate him. He was an unknown aircraft in restricted airspace, and one with numbers matching a downed aircraft to boot. As for Bumblebee, Sure, he wasn't a VW, but that is because Bay hated Herbie the Love Bug, and wanted absolutely nothing to do with having any character being a "Bug" and reminding him of that movie. However, Bumblebee still retaines everything else that makes him Bumblebee. He is still a yellow and black car, He is still the most relatable to humans, and he still has the Nieve charm.

you dont get my point is that stereos aren't unusual but i they make it a simple stereo regardless of mass coversion its still too similar to frenzy and my point is people are going to notice something. There are so many ways to spy on people with ever being in the same room as someone. Also you proved my point with bumble bee they kept his essence but changed the vehicle why cant they do that with Soundwave by not making him a stereo. They can keep him Soundwave and everything about him just change what he transforms into. so by what you said about bumble bee making soundwave a stereo is a lost arguement

No, it isn't too similar to frenzy. For one thing, the chances of Frenzy returning are slim to none. His head was destroyed, and that is universally fatal. Even Bonecrusher, who was decapitated, could come back becasue his head is still intact. Frenzy's was destroyed by his wown weapon. His brain case destroyed. They would need a replacement regardless, and they probably killed him off to make room for Soundwave in the sequel. Thedifference between Bumblebee and Soundwave is that Bumblebee isstill a yellow and black car. The make and model isn't as important as the fact that he is still a car. Soundwave was never a car (GoBots don't count). He was a piece of audio electronics with the ability to grow and shrink when he transformed. That is the essence of who he is. That is completely different than a character going from one type of car to another, or a character goin gfrom one type of jet to another. you are talking about a character going from one type of object to a completely different and unrelated type of object; one that doesn't even come close to his iconic form. That is the problem.

I'm just saying that with the direction the first movie went chances are soundwave isn't going to be a piece of stereo equipment. Since we know nothing of TF2 we have no idea of soundwave's role in the movie. All we know is what soundwave has done in other situations. And just making an updated version of soundwave isn't enough it has to work on the big screen. Also I think soundwave should be some sort of vehicle is because of how starscream was done in the movie, he used his transformation to his advantage and kicked alot of ass. I cant see him if he has to make an escape by turning into stereo equipment, I know he is used mostly for covert and spying on people but a stereo in this kind of movie is just impractical. And lets say he is a vehicle whatever it is couldn't his minions use that holographic tech they use to create pilots and drivers as camo and have rumble like walk into a building if he had to.

glitched9700 wrote:
I'm just saying that with the direction the first movie went chances are soundwave isn't going to be a piece of stereo equipment. Since we know nothing of TF2 we have no idea of soundwave's role in the movie. All we know is what soundwave has done in other situations. And just making an updated version of soundwave isn't enough it has to work on the big screen. Also I think soundwave should be some sort of vehicle is because of how starscream was done in the movie, he used his transformation to his advantage and kicked alot of ass. I cant see him if he has to make an escape by turning into stereo equipment, I know he is used mostly for covert and spying on people but a stereo in this kind of movie is just impractical. And lets say he is a vehicle whatever it is couldn't his minions use that holographic tech they use to create pilots and drivers as camo and have rumble like walk into a building if he had to.

I disagree, especially given the very reason why he was taken out of the first movie to begin with, and that was so that they could do him properly. Remember, Frenzy was origianlly going to be Soundwave, but they felt having Soundwave be a small robot would not fit his character. Also, IF tyey had wanted him to be a vehicle, They would have had Blackout be Soundwave as some speculate Blackout was originally going to be, but no evidence backs up. For Soundwave to be done right, he needs to be a stereo with mass conversion. That was Hasbro's call, and they simply could not do that in the first movie and s do it justice because of everything else they had to deal with. They just didn't have the screen time. That was why they held him for a sequel.

Tramp wrote:If Hasbro has their way, he will be a stereo and will have mass conversion.

SOUNDWAVE WILL NOT BE A STEREO HE WILL BE A VEHICLE.

Tramp wrote:

glitched9700 wrote:
I'm just saying that with the direction the first movie went chances are soundwave isn't going to be a piece of stereo equipment. Since we know nothing of TF2 we have no idea of soundwave's role in the movie. All we know is what soundwave has done in other situations. And just making an updated version of soundwave isn't enough it has to work on the big screen. Also I think soundwave should be some sort of vehicle is because of how starscream was done in the movie, he used his transformation to his advantage and kicked alot of ass. I cant see him if he has to make an escape by turning into stereo equipment, I know he is used mostly for covert and spying on people but a stereo in this kind of movie is just impractical. And lets say he is a vehicle whatever it is couldn't his minions use that holographic tech they use to create pilots and drivers as camo and have rumble like walk into a building if he had to.

I disagree, especially given the very reason why he was taken out of the first movie to begin with, and that was so that they could do him properly. Remember, Frenzy was origianlly going to be Soundwave, but they felt having Soundwave be a small robot would not fit his character. Also, IF tyey had wanted him to be a vehicle, They would have had Blackout be Soundwave as some speculate Blackout was originally going to be, but no evidence backs up. For Soundwave to be done right, he needs to be a stereo with mass conversion. That was Hasbro's call, and they simply could not do that in the first movie and s do it justice because of everything else they had to deal with. They just didn't have the screen time. That was why they held him for a sequel.

SOUNDWAVE WILL NOT BE A STEREO HE WILL BE A VEHICLE.

Coolyfett wrote:

Tramp wrote:If Hasbro has their way, he will be a stereo and will have mass conversion.

SOUNDWAVE WILL NOT BE A STEREO HE WILL BE A VEHICLE.

Ah the key word IF!!! which means he wont be a stereo ty coolyfett

If Megatron didn't transform into even a Galvatron style cannon (and with his alt being Cybertronian, he easily could have), what on Earth makes you think Soundwave will be a mass-shifting stereo?

Combat grade transformers need altmodes that can locomote, it's as simple as that. The only reason G1 Soundwave got away with what he did was because a) the human characters were incredibly stupid, and b) he could magically fly to run away from battles that took place out in the middle of nowhere with practically no humans around.

If he was in the movie's final battle, he would have been dead from a 2-3 autobot and a military gangbang, since once Brawl and Blackout dropped, there's just one big robot that can't hide or speed away.

Besides, recon without the ability to get out, is just plain bad recon. It's bad enough you need someone to take him inside, if you want him to play crap back, someone has to take him back out and stick him Barricade or something, at which point you might as well have just had a really fancy recon stereo, not a fully-fledged Decepticon. Whereas Frenzy as we saw, moved around, and bailed out on his own. Soundwave as a ghetto-Frenzy=lame, better to be his boss.


I mean, if you apparently love Soundwave so much, why do you want to marginilize him by giving him such a horribly unimpressive, dependent, weak alt?



Oh, and playback as a vehicle-if he's got a huge sound system as we of course know he will, and big flatscreen monitor (perhaps set) in the back like these done young'uns seem to like these days, I think he can manage. Or he could, I dunno, holo-project, he's an advanced alien robot, not a '70s living room...

SOUNDWAVE WILL NOT BE A STEREO HE WILL BE A VEHICLE.

I will honestly be mad if he's a stereo and most fans should be as well. theres so many people out there who just don't get it. before the movie was announced, I was hoping that if they ever made a live action movie that alt modes get changed and Mass shape shifting stays out of it. Soundwave was a cool charachter and I loved him as a kid, but a 30 foot tall robot turning into a handheld sony walkmen never made much sense to me.

I like the idea of a military chopper for soundwave, but thats already been used for blackout, which really IS soundwave IMO.

I really wonder why the powers that be just didn't call blackout soundwave

SOUNDWAVE WILL NOT BE A STEREO HE WILL BE A VEHICLE.

Coolyfett chill man. I have generally agreed with you in this thread ,not every word mind you ,but the giest of it.
However the repeated post that is being done from your account is annoying me, so I know it is annoying the people on the other side of this debate. That is not good debate style and weakens your argument.

Tramp if I am read you correctly your biggest argument* why you do not want Soundwave to be a vehicle is that it is conspicuous and not in fitting with his G1 infiltration role. This seems to be more important you than to others, please understand this. I personally always thought of Soundwave as more of an intelligence officer who analized the info that is spies (cassettes) and his ability to intercept/decode broadcasts. After that I see him as physically powerful. Then a comm officer. Then as an infiltrator. You obvously see him as an infiltrator first.
On the topic of being able to show the info... he could always broadcast it to other cybertronians through radio or cable or ever do a partial transformation to a screen like the weapon shifts nearly every TF in the movie did.

Also I wouldn't mind some mass shifting ,but I never really liked the shifting by 1000's of %s and the partial shifting.
Something else to keep in mind is that the only reason that Soundwave was a tapedeck in the first place was there was already a toy in an older Japanese toy line. Same with reflector.




*(not reason which is probably you want him to be as close to G1 as possible)

carbsmith wrote:If Megatron didn't transform into even a Galvatron style cannon (and with his alt being Cybertronian, he easily could have), what on Earth makes you think Soundwave will be a mass-shifting stereo?

Very simple. First off, Megatron is Decepticon Leader, as such, and given his personality, he would never take an alternate mode which would place him in another's dependence.
Soundwave is a totally different case. His job reqires more stealth, as well as dependence upon his minions. He can't do his job alone, nor is he meant to. That is the key difference.

Combat grade transformers need altmodes that can locomote, it's as simple as that. The only reason G1 Soundwave got away with what he did was because a) the human characters were incredibly stupid, and b) he could magically fly to run away from battles that took place out in the middle of nowhere with practically no humans around.

Not true. especially if theor functions aren't just combat, but also infiltration. They need an inobtrusive alternate mode which can bland in anywhere.

If he was in the movie's final battle, he would have been dead from a 2-3 autobot and a military gangbang, since once Brawl and Blackout dropped, there's just one big robot that can't hide or speed away.

Sure, he could hide if he creates a distraction first. Secondly, he would have his minions to help him.

Besides, recon without the ability to get out, is just plain bad recon. It's bad enough you need someone to take him inside, if you want him to play crap back, someone has to take him back out and stick him Barricade or something, at which point you might as well have just had a really fancy recon stereo, not a fully-fledged Decepticon. Whereas Frenzy as we saw, moved around, and bailed out on his own. Soundwave as a ghetto-Frenzy=lame, better to be his boss.

With mass conversion, he doesn't necessarily need the help of another to get him in position. IF G1 Soundwave could retain his large size when he transformed to tape deck mode when he chose to, Why couldn't movie Soundwave choose to retain a small size when he deemed it appropriate for the mission? Or he could use Laserbeak or Ravage. He could also have thrusters in his legs or back to blast out of there if necessary, and thus flight cabability.

I mean, if you apparently love Soundwave so much, why do you want to marginilize him by giving him such a horribly unimpressive, dependent, weak alt?

From an espionage perspective, it isn't a weak mode. It is the perfect mode. Inconspicuous, ubiquitous, with plenty of recording and playback capability without the use of outside apparatti. A vehicle mode is limited to outdoors, and only to certain locations. They also run the risk of drawing attention. Unimpressive is exactly the type of alternate mode he would choose.

Oh, and playback as a vehicle-if he's got a huge sound system as we of course know he will, and big flatscreen monitor (perhaps set) in the back like these done young'uns seem to like these days, I think he can manage. Or he could, I dunno, holo-project, he's an advanced alien robot, not a '70s living room...

Sure, if you want a flashy mode which would draw people from every direction, which is what a super custom decked out vehicle would do, even more than a military communications van would in down town. That was not Soundwave's style.

Tramp as you keep posting your determined argument has it ever occured to you just how much attention and suspison inanimate object that is where it is not supossed to be draws?

This will be more than doubled in the next film as this will be something service personel of all kinds will be on the lookout for.