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by **Great Atlas** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:23 pm

Coolyfett wrote:
Tramp wrote:
Justicity wrote:
Tramp wrote:
zorian wrote:I keep seeing alot of comments about what is iconic about Soundwave (keeping in mind this is usually the G1 vrs.). To me that changes depending upon how many of the series (toon and comic) that someone has read.

To me Soundwave should be:
1. A communications officer
2. An intelligence officer
3. And has lots of little minions who are mainly spies of vrs. types.

I have no problem with him being a vehicle and while I'm not so hung up on him being able to hide in his alt mode ,I think it would be cool if he was a SUV/Van ect with lots of internal comm systems like police use on stakeouts. Then he could be parked in the middle of the city as a mobile dropoff point for his spy group as they scoured the city for info and analized the info they bring back.

The thing is though, that only two characters named "Soundwave" have appeared in any cartoon or Comic. Those are G1 Soundwave, and Cybertron Soundwave. Most people only remember G1 Soundwave. None of the other "versions" have apperared in any media. They have only been toys. That is what makes Soundwave's G1 appearance and alt mode so iconic. If you go back through the various news articles here on this site regarding the movie and Sopundwave's inclusion 9or lack thereof), you will notice that Hasbro all but demanded that Soundwave mass convert.

NOT TRUE!!!

In Beast Wars: the gathering, the "BW mutants" alligator that attacked the Insect predacons (including Powerpinch) in the swamp was called Soundwave.
He transformed from Bat to Alligator & was called Soundwave.

That is an apperance another soundwave made in the TF medias.

Well, I haven't seen that episode, so I can't confirm nor deny that. However, even if he was, did he ever appear again, or was that his only appearance? If it was the only appearance, that is still no better than being just a toy. It's just as forgetable.

Codyfett wrote: Soundwave shrinking is going to hurt TF2....Tramp Im really trying to understand why Soundwave being a radio is so important guy?? Soundwave is one of my favorite characters to man. I really like Soundwave, but man......you lose me with this shrinking thing.
No, it won't hurt the movie. It just adds another element to the mythos. The reason why a stereo is so important to the character, aside from the fact that being a piece of stereo audio electronics (a tape deck originally) is what gave Soundwave his nome on the first place, is the fact that as a stereo, he can blend in anywhere, be it indoors, or outdoors, in the city or in the country, in civilian areas or in a war zone with the military, even in a secure government building. Everyone has a stereo. Like a television, they are one of the most ubiquitous and thus inconspicuous objects in the world. Not only that but that type of alt mode allows Soundwave to "play back" what his minions record as well. A communications vehicle has to have someone inside it to gather the informatoiopn and then realay those communications to its final destination. The only one who really hears the communication is the one inside the vehicle. If Soundwave were a communcations truck, aside form being very conspicuous, would be the only one who would hear or see any of the audio or visual communications. He couldn't "play them back either because any speakers or screen would be inside the vehicle. Someone would have to go inside to watch or listen to the communications or recordings, and none of the Decepticons could do that. By being a portable stereo multi-media player, he can play back the recordings and communications directly for Megatron and the other Decepticons. By having a DVD player with monitor built in, he can display visual images on the monitor built into his chest, or use it as a projector for holographic images. By having he CD changer and speakers he can broadcast the audio recordings so that Megatron can hear them. The recording and playback features of a stereo system allow others to see and hear the recordings. He couldn't do that with a vehicle mode. Combine that with his function as a Communications officer and infiltration specialist, and it makes sense for his alt mode to be a stereo.

Problem with having soundwave a portable stereo is that he would be a copy of frenzy, and on needing someone to be inside, well soundwave did have his minions to do that for him. plus soundwave has had 5 (6 if u count the mutant ehich i don't think is the g1 soundwave) he has had stereo, truck( was an icbm truck though), mobile communications vehicle (war within), a lamp post-like thing (mtmte part1) ,and a jet.

by **Tramp** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:38 pm

Great Atlas wrote:
Problem with having soundwave a portable stereo is that he would be a copy of frenzy, and on needing someone to be inside, well soundwave did have his minions to do that for him. plus soundwave has had 5 (6 if u count the mutant ehich i don't think is the g1 soundwave) he has had stereo, truck( was an icbm truck though), mobile communications vehicle (war within), a lamp post-like thing (mtmte part1) ,and a jet.

Not really. First difference is mass conversion, which frenzy didn't have. Second, a larger, more decked out high-end portable stereo as an alt mode. instead of being a small single CD stereo with just the two relatively small speakers. I'm thinking a large portable stereo with large, detatchable speakers containing woofers, mids and tweeters, three-disk CD changer and built-in DVD player with monitor for movies, as well as ports for periferals like an MP3 player (Laserbeak/Booster X-10), a remote (I'm thinking Ravage), and somethng else that Rumble can turn into. Ever seen one of those really large boomboxes that look like a modular home stereo system? That is the kind of portable stereo I'm talking about.

by **Jar Axel** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:17 pm

Tramp wrote:
Great Atlas wrote:
Problem with having soundwave a portable stereo is that he would be a copy of frenzy, and on needing someone to be inside, well soundwave did have his minions to do that for him. plus soundwave has had 5 (6 if u count the mutant ehich i don't think is the g1 soundwave) he has had stereo, truck( was an icbm truck though), mobile communications vehicle (war within), a lamp post-like thing (mtmte part1) ,and a jet.

Not really. First difference is mass conversion, which frenzy didn't have. Second, a larger, more decked out high-end portable stereo as an alt mode. instead of being a small single CD stereo with just the two relatively small speakers. I'm thinking a large portable stereo with large, detatchable speakers containing woofers, mids and tweeters, three-disk CD changer and built-in DVD player with monitor for movies, as well as ports for periferals like an MP3 player (Laserbeak/Booster X-10), a remote (I'm thinking Ravage), and somethng else that Rumble can turn into. Ever seen one of those really large boomboxes that look like a modular home stereo system? That is the kind of portable stereo I'm talking about.

No just no

He needs to be a millitary or police survelance vehical. People who live in areas around millitary bases see them all the time and it is certanly not inconcievable that these vehicals can be deployed on manuvers well away from a millitary base... since they are.

O by the way lets see your tags.

by **Tramp** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:56 pm

Jar Axel wrote:
Tramp wrote:
Great Atlas wrote:
Problem with having soundwave a portable stereo is that he would be a copy of frenzy, and on needing someone to be inside, well soundwave did have his minions to do that for him. plus soundwave has had 5 (6 if u count the mutant ehich i don't think is the g1 soundwave) he has had stereo, truck( was an icbm truck though), mobile communications vehicle (war within), a lamp post-like thing (mtmte part1) ,and a jet.

Not really. First difference is mass conversion, which frenzy didn't have. Second, a larger, more decked out high-end portable stereo as an alt mode. instead of being a small single CD stereo with just the two relatively small speakers. I'm thinking a large portable stereo with large, detatchable speakers containing woofers, mids and tweeters, three-disk CD changer and built-in DVD player with monitor for movies, as well as ports for periferals like an MP3 player (Laserbeak/Booster X-10), a remote (I'm thinking Ravage), and somethng else that Rumble can turn into. Ever seen one of those really large boomboxes that look like a modular home stereo system? That is the kind of portable stereo I'm talking about.

No just no

He needs to be a millitary or police survelance vehical. People who live in areas around millitary bases see them all the time and it is certanly not inconcievable that these vehicals can be deployed on manuvers well away from a millitary base... since they are.

O by the way lets see your tags.

A military vehicle would stick out anywhere else. They draw attention in cities and anywhere further away from the base. I was in the military. They aren't designed to blend in to a civilian area. People stare. Police vehicles do too. They draw attention. When people see a cop car, or a SWAT van, they gert curious to know what is going down. They draw attention.

by **Jar Axel** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:06 am

Tramp wrote:
Jar Axel wrote:
Tramp wrote:
Great Atlas wrote:
Problem with having soundwave a portable stereo is that he would be a copy of frenzy, and on needing someone to be inside, well soundwave did have his minions to do that for him. plus soundwave has had 5 (6 if u count the mutant ehich i don't think is the g1 soundwave) he has had stereo, truck( was an icbm truck though), mobile communications vehicle (war within), a lamp post-like thing (mtmte part1) ,and a jet.

Not really. First difference is mass conversion, which frenzy didn't have. Second, a larger, more decked out high-end portable stereo as an alt mode. instead of being a small single CD stereo with just the two relatively small speakers. I'm thinking a large portable stereo with large, detatchable speakers containing woofers, mids and tweeters, three-disk CD changer and built-in DVD player with monitor for movies, as well as ports for periferals like an MP3 player (Laserbeak/Booster X-10), a remote (I'm thinking Ravage), and somethng else that Rumble can turn into. Ever seen one of those really large boomboxes that look like a modular home stereo system? That is the kind of portable stereo I'm talking about.

No just no

He needs to be a millitary or police survelance vehical. People who live in areas around millitary bases see them all the time and it is certanly not inconcievable that these vehicals can be deployed on manuvers well away from a millitary base... since they are.

O by the way lets see your tags.

A military vehicle would stick out anywhere else. They draw attention in cities and anywhere further away from the base. I was in the military. They aren't designed to blend in to a civilian area. People stare. Police vehicles do too. They draw attention. When people see a cop car, or a SWAT van, they gert curious to know what is going down. They draw attention.

Not around here they don't. There are millitary vehicals of all sorts going in and out of Barksdale all the time. Hell its not even uncomon to see millitary road vehicals pull up to Burger King or Taco Bell around here. To be blunt they get no more than a passing intrest; the same as a cop parked on the side of the road gets. No body stares, nodody slows down as they drive by, and nobody realy cares what their doing. It's just a common site around here no different or more interesting than the daily liffting off and landing of B-52s, A-10s, and other assorted jets, fighters, exctra.

by **Tramp** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:11 am

Once again though, that is a military town, like Fayetteville, NC near Fort Bragg where I was stationed when I was in the Army. It's a completly different story in places like LA, or New york, or Buffalo. Even though we have NG and Reserve groups, and an AirForce Reserve base, military vehicles do draw attention.

by **Jar Axel** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:15 am

Tramp wrote:Once again though, that is a military town, like Fayetteville, NC near Fort Bragg where I was stationed when I was in the Army. It's a completly different story in places like LA, or New york, or Buffalo. Even though we have NG and Reserve groups, and an AirForce Reserve base, military vehicles do draw attention.

Nope not in Minden or Cotton Valley. Neither in Ruston or Monroe. Nor in Marshall or Longview. Or even in Tulsa or Tahlequah.

by **Tramp** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:26 am

Most of those sound like small towns except for Tulsa, which, I believe is the state Capitol of Oklahoma. They aren't cities. there are also more military bases there. They aren't as prevelant elsewhere, and even then you get onlookers because most people find military vehicles "cool". They really don't fit into purely civilian areas nowhere near a military base. They stick out.

by **Jar Axel** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:35 am

Tramp wrote:Most of those sound like small towns except for Tulsa, which, I believe is the state Capitol of Oklahoma. They aren't cities. there are also more military bases there. They aren't as prevelant elsewhere, and even then you get onlookers because most people find military vehicles "cool". They really don't fit into purely civilian areas nowhere near a military base. They stick out.

Sorry Tulsa is only the capital of Tulsa County. OK City is the capital of OK.

Longview, Ruston, and Monroe are also large cities

They really don't fit into purely civilian areas nowhere near a military base. They stick out

And right here is the big fallacy of your argument. Millitary vehicals are a common sight almost anywhere because of the fact that the millitary performs manuvers almost everywhere. Yes people like to look up and see what neet vehicals their running around with today, but as I already stated it's only a passing intrest no more than is paid to a cop car on the side of the road or a tractor truck in a housing district

by **Tramp** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:39 am

Any interest is too much for someone like Soundwave who is an infiltrator. His job requires absolute inconspicuostiy. Also, Military vehicles do not run maneuvers everywhere. They run them in areas only where they are authorized to. I know that because I was in the Army. I served in Desert Storm. I know exactly how prevalent military vehicles are in different locations and what kind of attention they draw.

by **Jar Axel** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:50 am

Tramp wrote:Any interest is too much for someone like Soundwave who is an infiltrator. His job requires absolute inconspicuostiy. Also, Military vehicles do not run maneuvers everywhere. They run them in areas only where they are authorized to. I know that because I was in the Army. I served in Desert Storm. I know exactly how prevalent military vehicles are in different locations and what kind of attention they draw.

Of course they don't run them everywhere persay. They don't run them in Los Angelas, but the do run them in the Los Angelas area (my brother has been there for manuvers). Just as they don't run them in Miami, but the do in the Miami area (he's also been there for manuvers)

You keep harping about being in the millitary and serving in Desert Storm yet you have yet to make a statment that a man who is the only male member of his family not to serve in the millitary would belive concerning your argument. You also havn't answered the very simple request of your tags.

by **Tramp** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:56 am

My tags? Are you asking to see my dog tags? Why?

by **Jar Axel** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:58 am

Tramp wrote:My tags? Are you asking to see my dog tags? Why?

Isn't it obvious? I don't belive you

by **Tramp** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:10 am

Jar Axel wrote:
Tramp wrote:My tags? Are you asking to see my dog tags? Why?

Isn't it obvious? I don't belive you

Oh well. I'm not going to post my tags because they have my Social Security number on them. That is just asking for identity theft. They're also packed away and have been for several years. I served from September 1989 through September 1993 as a 31D31C1P. That is an Airborn Single Channel Radio Operator (RATT rig) and later MSE Radio Transmission Specialist . First in the 426th Signal Battalion and then in the 50th. I served in Desert Storm from September 26 1990 through April 10 1991 in both Saudi Arabia and Iraq.

News Credits: 4 · by **zatara1701** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:19 am

Guys I am a die hard G1 fan, but I understand and embrace the changes Bay did...much like Batman and Spiderman, our beloved Transformers have been given an expanded life and brought in new fans that will look to and fall in love with what we've all knew and treasured all along...that being said

SOUNDWAVE!!

1) G1 purest...he cant and wont be a stereo of any sort. IF, and I do mean IF, he was, the whole size conversion was addressed in those few seconds the Allspark went from cavern to handheld size.

2) All the Decepticons were miltary vehicles, so I think they'd stick with that...1) So, being ex-USAF, what about Soundwave as an AWACS?? An AWACS can go ANYWHERE, is a spy of sorts, and I think it fits the name "Soundwave" to a degree, sure as hell fits Soundwaves job. Unfortunately I dont have an idea for the cassettes with this mode.
2) A Submarine?? Once again, it can go anywhere, uses sound, and the cassettes could be torpedoes he launches out.

Just brainstorming here...Im not Steven Speilberg, its 1am, and I'm just shooting ideas out that maybe we can get behind. :grin:

by **Born Yesterday** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:19 am

If soundwave is in the next movie he should be some sort of truck full of speakers like you would see at some custom car show or something. but he really needs to have razorbeak, rumble, and ravage with him somehow.

by **Tramp** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:30 am

zatara1701 wrote:Guys I am a die hard G1 fan, but I understand and embrace the changes Bay did...much like Batman and Spiderman, our beloved Transformers have been given an expanded life and brought in new fans that will look to and fall in love with what we've all knew and treasured all along...that being said

SOUNDWAVE!!

1) G1 purest...he cant and wont be a stereo of any sort. IF, and I do mean IF, he was, the whole size conversion was addressed in those few seconds the Allspark went from cavern to handheld size.

Yes, he can be a stereo, especially since the issue of mass conversion was at least partially addressed with the Allspark.

2) All the Decepticons were miltary vehicles, so I think they'd stick with that...1) So, being ex-USAF, what about Soundwave as an AWACS?? An AWACS can go ANYWHERE, is a spy of sorts, and I think it fits the name "Soundwave" to a degree, sure as hell fits Soundwaves job. Unfortunately I dont have an idea for the cassettes with this mode.
2) A Submarine?? Once again, it can go anywhere, uses sound, and the cassettes could be torpedoes he launches out.

Just brainstorming here...Im not Steven Speilberg, its 1am, and I'm just shooting ideas out that maybe we can get behind.

Well, no, not all Decepticons were military vehicles. Frenzy was not even a vehicle, and Barricade was a civilian cop car. Neitrher are military, so there blows that right out of the water. Also, no, AWACS and Submarines can't go "anywhere". AWACS are restricted to the air, and Submarines are restricted to the ocean. Neither can go indoors, Neither can go in the city. They are extremely limited. They are also extreme attention getters when they do appear.

by **Coolyfett** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:33 am

Tramp wrote:
Coolyfett wrote:
Tramp wrote:Probably older than you.

Naww im not so sure man...how old are you for real lol lol lol lol. When were you pulled out the hole?? I was pulled out in 79. Now when where you pulled out? Be honest man. I can't continue this convo/debate without knowing lol.

I just have this feeling I'm debating with a minor. I don't want to do that.

December 26 1970. I am definately older than you. I even served in Desert Storm

Ok Tramp. Your Older debate continues.............

by **Coolyfett** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:39 am

Tramp wrote:
Great Atlas wrote:
Problem with having soundwave a portable stereo is that he would be a copy of frenzy, and on needing someone to be inside, well soundwave did have his minions to do that for him. plus soundwave has had 5 (6 if u count the mutant ehich i don't think is the g1 soundwave) he has had stereo, truck( was an icbm truck though), mobile communications vehicle (war within), a lamp post-like thing (mtmte part1) ,and a jet.

Not really. First difference is mass conversion, which frenzy didn't have. Second, a larger, more decked out high-end portable stereo as an alt mode. instead of being a small single CD stereo with just the two relatively small speakers. I'm thinking a large portable stereo with large, detatchable speakers containing woofers, mids and tweeters, three-disk CD changer and built-in DVD player with monitor for movies, as well as ports for periferals like an MP3 player (Laserbeak/Booster X-10), a remote (I'm thinking Ravage), and somethng else that Rumble can turn into. Ever seen one of those really large boomboxes that look like a modular home stereo system? That is the kind of portable stereo I'm talking about.

Tramp those stereos are no where near the size of a car or jet.....Shrinking will hurt TF2 everyone is saying it. If Soundwave grows just to become a robot that WOULD SUCK like a vacuum Tramp. I hope the masses enjoy TF2 not just the fanboys.

by **Coolyfett** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:42 am

Tramp wrote:
Jar Axel wrote:
Tramp wrote:
Great Atlas wrote:
Problem with having soundwave a portable stereo is that he would be a copy of frenzy, and on needing someone to be inside, well soundwave did have his minions to do that for him. plus soundwave has had 5 (6 if u count the mutant ehich i don't think is the g1 soundwave) he has had stereo, truck( was an icbm truck though), mobile communications vehicle (war within), a lamp post-like thing (mtmte part1) ,and a jet.

Not really. First difference is mass conversion, which frenzy didn't have. Second, a larger, more decked out high-end portable stereo as an alt mode. instead of being a small single CD stereo with just the two relatively small speakers. I'm thinking a large portable stereo with large, detatchable speakers containing woofers, mids and tweeters, three-disk CD changer and built-in DVD player with monitor for movies, as well as ports for periferals like an MP3 player (Laserbeak/Booster X-10), a remote (I'm thinking Ravage), and somethng else that Rumble can turn into. Ever seen one of those really large boomboxes that look like a modular home stereo system? That is the kind of portable stereo I'm talking about.

No just no

He needs to be a millitary or police survelance vehical. People who live in areas around millitary bases see them all the time and it is certanly not inconcievable that these vehicals can be deployed on manuvers well away from a millitary base... since they are.

O by the way lets see your tags.

A military vehicle would stick out anywhere else. They draw attention in cities and anywhere further away from the base. I was in the military. They aren't designed to blend in to a civilian area. People stare. Police vehicles do too. They draw attention. When people see a cop car, or a SWAT van, they gert curious to know what is going down. They draw attention.

Dude... Bumblebee draws attention!!! Ratchet draws attention!!! what is your point Tramp??

by **Coolyfett** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:52 am

Why is it a must that Soundwave do Rumble, Ravage and Laserbeaks job???? Getting inside is their job, that is thier position to play. Just like Frenzy did. Hopefully Rumble will speak english and not cybertonish. All that spying inside can be handled by Laserbeak, Rumble & Ravage. Does anyone agree with this??

by **Unicron Singularity** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:55 am

Soundwave should resemble his Cybertron incarnation.
Stealth bomber, a f-117 nighthawk, or what ever the name of the plane Soundwave resembles in vehicle mode. he could have Laserbeak and Ravage in his chest perhaps? as he could have "Laserbeak" in his chest in Cybertron.

but making SW a boombox, or anything like that... SOME people would compare to Frenzy, while others would totally love the alt mode. the Soundwave, the typical one, has a alt mode that doesnt raise curiosity

(remember Spike carrying Soundwave in alt mode, into the Autobot base in G1 cartoon) making people just perhaps think: oh, its just a boombox, cool. then WHAM, SW transforms into robot mode, and scares the crap out of people.
would be cool. but considering the differing views on what and how his alt mode should look like, it's not easy. some people like this alt, some like another alt mode.

by **Coolyfett** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:00 am

The Thundercracker wrote:(remember Spike carrying Soundwave in alt mode, into the Autobot base in G1 cartoon) making people just perhaps think: oh, its just a boombox, cool. then WHAM, SW transforms into robot mode, and scares the crap out of people.

I can't see Sam carrying a truck into Autobots base. I don't think Sam is that strong ha ha ha ha ha.

This is the live action movie NOT the cartoon......

News Credits: 4 · by **zatara1701** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:36 am

Tramp wrote:
zatara1701 wrote:Guys I am a die hard G1 fan, but I understand and embrace the changes Bay did...much like Batman and Spiderman, our beloved Transformers have been given an expanded life and brought in new fans that will look to and fall in love with what we've all knew and treasured all along...that being said

SOUNDWAVE!!

1) G1 purest...he cant and wont be a stereo of any sort. IF, and I do mean IF, he was, the whole size conversion was addressed in those few seconds the Allspark went from cavern to handheld size.

Yes, he can be a stereo, especially since the issue of mass conversion was at least partially addressed with the Allspark.

2) All the Decepticons were miltary vehicles, so I think they'd stick with that...1) So, being ex-USAF, what about Soundwave as an AWACS?? An AWACS can go ANYWHERE, is a spy of sorts, and I think it fits the name "Soundwave" to a degree, sure as hell fits Soundwaves job. Unfortunately I dont have an idea for the cassettes with this mode.
2) A Submarine?? Once again, it can go anywhere, uses sound, and the cassettes could be torpedoes he launches out.

Just brainstorming here...Im not Steven Speilberg, its 1am, and I'm just shooting ideas out that maybe we can get behind.

Well, no, not all Decepticons were military vehicles. Frenzy was not even a vehicle, and Barricade was a civilian cop car. Neitrher are military, so there blows that right out of the water. Also, no, AWACS and Submarines can't go "anywhere". AWACS are restricted to the air, and Submarines are restricted to the ocean. Neither can go indoors, Neither can go in the city. They are extremely limited. They are also extreme attention getters when they do appear.

Listen up simplton... If you bothered to read my "brainstorm" 1) I addressed the mass conversion issue in my post...ie; "Allspark from cavern to handheld size."
2) you're right about Barricade and Frenzy... two things on that, first, they were both infiltrators, hence the not miltary vehicles. Second, all the MAJOR Decepticon players were military vehicles... I dont remember seeing Barricade kicking any ass in the end of the movie. Logic would dictate that Sounwave is a MAJOR PLAYER, so why would he get some wussy civilian appication??
3) AWACS and Submarines...you said "they cant got everywhere, they are restricted to the sky and sea respectfully. Do you realize how dumb that sounds?? Starscream is a plane, so he's "restricted" to the air?? Optimus is a truck, so he's "restricted" to a road?? I was refering to AWACS and Subs can go anywhere in the WORLD...and they do it without you knowing it's there, hence they are ideas for Soundwave.

NEW thought...B-2 with the cassette brigade as bombs and/or cruise missles!!

by **Coolyfett** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:00 pm

zatara1701 wrote:
Tramp wrote:
zatara1701 wrote:Guys I am a die hard G1 fan, but I understand and embrace the changes Bay did...much like Batman and Spiderman, our beloved Transformers have been given an expanded life and brought in new fans that will look to and fall in love with what we've all knew and treasured all along...that being said

SOUNDWAVE!!

1) G1 purest...he cant and wont be a stereo of any sort. IF, and I do mean IF, he was, the whole size conversion was addressed in those few seconds the Allspark went from cavern to handheld size.

Yes, he can be a stereo, especially since the issue of mass conversion was at least partially addressed with the Allspark.

2) All the Decepticons were miltary vehicles, so I think they'd stick with that...1) So, being ex-USAF, what about Soundwave as an AWACS?? An AWACS can go ANYWHERE, is a spy of sorts, and I think it fits the name "Soundwave" to a degree, sure as hell fits Soundwaves job. Unfortunately I dont have an idea for the cassettes with this mode.
2) A Submarine?? Once again, it can go anywhere, uses sound, and the cassettes could be torpedoes he launches out.

Just brainstorming here...Im not Steven Speilberg, its 1am, and I'm just shooting ideas out that maybe we can get behind.

Well, no, not all Decepticons were military vehicles. Frenzy was not even a vehicle, and Barricade was a civilian cop car. Neitrher are military, so there blows that right out of the water. Also, no, AWACS and Submarines can't go "anywhere". AWACS are restricted to the air, and Submarines are restricted to the ocean. Neither can go indoors, Neither can go in the city. They are extremely limited. They are also extreme attention getters when they do appear.

Listen up simplton...