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Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:No, I would not, I would just think you are acting silly at first.

why not?

It is a natural reflex. However, if you are God, you will continue to try and convince me that you are the one and only, mighty lord of heaven, because if you tell me that you are god in the first place, you must have some important purpose for why you want to do that. Therefore, you will keep trying until I break and believe you, and I will definitely break because if you are God, you will be all that and break me in an extremely incredible method.

Anymore questions?

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:No, I would not, I would just think you are acting silly at first.

why not?

It is a natural reflex. However, if you are God, you will continue to try and convince me that you are the one and only, mighty lord of heaven, because if you tell me that you are god in the first place, you must have some important purpose for why you want to do that. Therefore, you will keep trying until I break and believe you, and I will definitely break because if you are God, you will be all that and break me in an extremely incredible method.

Anymore questions?

unless i am testing your faith, and want you to continue to beleive in god, by pretending to be an athiest and come up with very good arguments that show your hypocrisy and bigotry in faith, and try to convince you away from faith?

anyway i'm ineffable, you can't possibly guess my reasoning


onwards, why do you beleive the bible when it says certain people are god, but not me?

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:No, I would not, I would just think you are acting silly at first.

why not?

It is a natural reflex. However, if you are God, you will continue to try and convince me that you are the one and only, mighty lord of heaven, because if you tell me that you are god in the first place, you must have some important purpose for why you want to do that. Therefore, you will keep trying until I break and believe you, and I will definitely break because if you are God, you will be all that and break me in an extremely incredible method.

Anymore questions?

unless i am testing your faith, and want you to continue to beleive in god, by pretending to be an athiest and come up with very good arguments that show your hypocrisy and bigotry in faith, and try to convince you away from faith?

anyway i'm ineffable, you can't possibly guess my reasoning


onwards, why do you beleive the bible when it says certain people are god, but not me?

Ho, you are way wrong. The bible said there is one god. It does not point out who is god.

And I believe the bible because some prophesies that bible predicted did indeed come true, but that does not mean it is true. It does not have evidence, strong ones to support those prophesies, and that does not mean you HAVE to believe those prophesies.

So, my point is, the bible is for reference. We religious folks follow it closely because we have faith in something that might not be definitely true, but there is something we can believe in, it is the human nature.

which prophecies?

and why have faith in one book and not another book?

Tammuz wrote:which prophecies?

and why have faith in one book and not another book?

Well, firstly, I am not sure which prophesies, but some inscriptions in the book fits the facts/artifacts we find today, in modern time.

And secondly, we have faith in this book because we were taught the traditions of it. The keyword is "tradition".

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:which prophecies?

and why have faith in one book and not another book?

Well, firstly, I am not sure which prophesies, but some inscriptions in the book fits the facts/artifacts we find today, in modern time.

And secondly, we have faith in this book because we were taught the traditions of it. The keyword is "tradition".

which inscriptions? which facts?

and when traditions is shown to be false why continue to beleive it?

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:which prophecies?

and why have faith in one book and not another book?

Well, firstly, I am not sure which prophesies, but some inscriptions in the book fits the facts/artifacts we find today, in modern time.

And secondly, we have faith in this book because we were taught the traditions of it. The keyword is "tradition".

which inscriptions? which facts?

and when traditions is shown to be false why continue to beleive it?

Okay, so I admit, most prophesies the bible says cannot be back up with strong evidences of any kind, but we keep our faith because we have a mind that made us believe in such religion because after we pray, something happened and the mind is set to say that, "Okay, so this happened, so that might exist." It is part of something to believe in.

And no traditions can be shown to be false, not in the case of Christians anyway. Those people practicing false traditions are not true Christians, and they do not deserve the title of Christians.

Kudomus Prime wrote:
Okay, so I admit, most prophesies the bible says cannot be back up with strong evidences of any kind, but we keep our faith because we have a mind that made us believe in such religion because after we pray, something happened and the mind is set to say that, "Okay, so this happened, so that might exist." It is part of something to believe in.

er....could you explain this a little better, i'm reading this as saying you have faith, becuase you have faith?

Kudomus Prime wrote:And no traditions can be shown to be false, not in the case of Christians anyway. Those people practicing false traditions are not true Christians, and they do not deserve the title of Christians.

so which traditions cannot be shown to be false?

and if something cannot be shown to be false, does that mean it is true?

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:
Okay, so I admit, most prophesies the bible says cannot be back up with strong evidences of any kind, but we keep our faith because we have a mind that made us believe in such religion because after we pray, something happened and the mind is set to say that, "Okay, so this happened, so that might exist." It is part of something to believe in.

er....could you explain this a little better, i'm reading this as saying you have faith, becuase you have faith?

Kudomus Prime wrote:And no traditions can be shown to be false, not in the case of Christians anyway. Those people practicing false traditions are not true Christians, and they do not deserve the title of Christians.

so which traditions cannot be shown to be false?

Yes, I have faith because my mind told me, it is okay to have faith in that subject, which I believe in. So let us say if someone managed to convince me that the subject is not worth believing in by showing me actual evidence, like Jesus actually being a real life, human being or something, then I WILL believe that person.

And I said no traditions can be show to be false, not "No, traditions can be shown to be false.".

Kudomus Prime wrote:
Yes, I have faith because my mind told me, it is okay to have faith in that subject, which I believe in. So let us say if someone managed to convince me that the subject is not worth believing in by showing me actual evidence, like Jesus actually being a real life, human being or something, then I WILL believe that person.

outside of the bible, IS there actually any evidence for his existance, at all?

Kudomus Prime wrote:And I said no traditions can be show to be false, not "No, traditions can be shown to be false.".

well if NO traditions can be shown to be false, how can you differentiate between people praticing false traditions and non false traditions? like the ones you said aren't worthy of beig called christians?

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:
Yes, I have faith because my mind told me, it is okay to have faith in that subject, which I believe in. So let us say if someone managed to convince me that the subject is not worth believing in by showing me actual evidence, like Jesus actually being a real life, human being or something, then I WILL believe that person.

outside of the bible, IS there actually any evidence for his existance, at all?

Kudomus Prime wrote:And I said no traditions can be show to be false, not "No, traditions can be shown to be false.".

well if NO traditions can be shown to be false, how can you differentiate between people praticing false traditions and non false traditions? like the ones you said aren't worthy of beig called christians?

Let me explain on the latter, first.

Let me rephrase. What I meant was, traditions can be fake out, and that will show that the person is a fake. For example, we have The Ten Commandments. If any person fails to follow all the command because of rather... un-pious reasons, like, "Thou shall not be jealous or another's property". It is human nature to be jealous, but if the person refuses to try even a little bit not to be jealous, I do not think he fits to be a Christian.

As for your former question, I do not know, but that does not change the fact that I could believe in the book because, like I said, it is my state of mind.

Errr, excuse me ladies, but I think you'll find I am god!

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:
Yes, I have faith because my mind told me, it is okay to have faith in that subject, which I believe in. So let us say if someone managed to convince me that the subject is not worth believing in by showing me actual evidence, like Jesus actually being a real life, human being or something, then I WILL believe that person.

outside of the bible, IS there actually any evidence for his existance, at all?

Kudomus Prime wrote:And I said no traditions can be show to be false, not "No, traditions can be shown to be false.".

well if NO traditions can be shown to be false, how can you differentiate between people praticing false traditions and non false traditions? like the ones you said aren't worthy of beig called christians?

Let me explain on the latter, first.

Let me rephrase. What I meant was, traditions can be fake out, and that will show that the person is a fake. For example, we have The Ten Commandments. If any person fails to follow all the command because of rather... un-pious reasons, like, "Thou shall not be jealous or another's property". It is human nature to be jealous, but if the person refuses to try even a little bit not to be jealous, I do not think he fits to be a Christian.

As for your former question, I do not know, but that does not change the fact that I could believe in the book because, like I said, it is my state of mind.

So why would this God want a certain being to go something, then create him with a nature to compromises it?

Ok... so you say you're Christian... because you're Christian. Such cyclical reasoning doesn't really compute. Facts are facts, truth is truth, and false is false. I follow truth wherever it leads, so it doesn't make sense to go 'oh well-- this is my state of mind now, so it can't change.' As well, considering the average person's 'state of mind' changes a hundred times a day, that's not the best way to go. States of mind are very fickle. A good proof is not. So I'm wondering if you're using your state of mind as an actual argument for your god.

As well, for the past comment on artifacts, we have a city in Asia Minor that matches the description of Troy, so does that make Zeus real?

Ah, I did not use the argument to prove that God is real, just that he might exist.

And Zeus MIGHT be real to the Greeks. Go figure.

Kudomus Prime wrote:Ah, I did not use the argument to prove that God is real, just that he might exist.

And Zeus MIGHT be real to the Greeks. Go figure.

surely if something's real it's real to everyone, no?

are you suggesting gods are a figment of self delusion?

No, I am suggesting that if something could be real, there is a chance that it might be real, but that does not mean it is definitely real, just a possibility.

Kudomus Prime wrote:No, I am suggesting that if something could be real, there is a chance that it might be real, but that does not mean it is definitely real, just a possibility.

so surely zeus would be real to everyone, not just the greeks?

Kudomus Prime wrote:Ah, I did not use the argument to prove that God is real, just that he might exist.

And Zeus MIGHT be real to the Greeks. Go figure.

Air Pollution and Forest Fires are very real to the Greeks, or so we are told.

Primus C-00 wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:Ah, I did not use the argument to prove that God is real, just that he might exist.

And Zeus MIGHT be real to the Greeks. Go figure.

Air Pollution and Forest Fires are very real to the Greeks, or so we are told.

this is meant to be a serious forum, if you're just going to joke around go to the GD or party foru

Who said I was joking. I was merely pointing out that the once grand and utopian Greek culture has fallen for the western civilisation dupe so heavily and at such a cost to their environment that once great and powerful Gods are relegated to neat ideas for a movie.

I think you'll find that's more than serious.

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:No, I am suggesting that if something could be real, there is a chance that it might be real, but that does not mean it is definitely real, just a possibility.

so surely zeus would be real to everyone, not just the greeks?

There is a possibility, yes.

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:No, I am suggesting that if something could be real, there is a chance that it might be real, but that does not mean it is definitely real, just a possibility.

so surely zeus would be real to everyone, not just the greeks?

There is a possibility, yes.

This particular thread of a thread is wandering into the realms of Discordian Metaphysics and Chaos Magick.

http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Chaos_magick

Or it has died a death.

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You guys dont know my wife