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Cormaster628 wrote:I don't know what everyone is talking about PS3 and not having good exclusives. I think their exclusives is where the system really shines at. Check it out

For me, I didn't really say there were none, just none I was interested in aside from MGS4. And Uncharted looked pretty cool. Forgot about Uncharted.

Shadowman wrote:

Cormaster628 wrote:Oh and as for the Wii while I totally agree with attracting other people to the video game market, theirs still a problem with support.

What do you mean by "support"?

Cormaster628 wrote:Wii Sports still seems to be the only game to truley show what casual gaming's all about, and they've completly failed to capitolize on that.

I'm lost, weren't people complaining before because it was too casual? Because it sounds like you're saying it's not casual enough.

Cormaster628 wrote:For instance it features an awesoem bowling game that would make you think picking up a full bowling game for the system would be a good idea.

No, no bowling game would ever make me think that...

...unless they were to bring back the Mutant League series...

Cormaster628 wrote:You notice their are 2 bowling games for the system, and you look up reviews. IGN gives them 4 out of a 10.

Two bowling games, both crap, that makes sense. It's the type of sport you could play casually in a half an hour.

How many Madden and NBA games have they made, and how many are worth actually buying?

Cormaster628 wrote:Problem is most cell phone games are better than over half of the Wii library. Support is just not there

Again you say support. What do you mean by that? Are you blaming them for lack of third-party support? Because Nintendo, nor Sony, nor Microsoft can tell third-party developers what to do.

I mean support all together. 3rd party sucks and Nintendo's big push latley has been "wii music". The thing is failing as a 7th generation console as much as it is a casual gaming console. Thats what I'm saying about the bowling game. Other than Wii sports how many games appeal to casual gamers? The first party games appeal to the hard core nintendo fans, the 3rd party is crap and appeals to no one.

Cormaster628 wrote:The thing is failing as a 7th generation console as much as it is a casual gaming console.

How is it failing if it's outselling both PS3 and 360?

Cormaster628 wrote:Thats what I'm saying about the bowling game. Other than Wii sports how many games appeal to casual gamers? The first party games appeal to the hard core nintendo fans, the 3rd party is crap and appeals to no one.

Except for Resident Evil 4, No More Heroes, Okami, etc.

Tekka wrote:There are RPGs on the Wii, like Tales of Symphonia for example, not to mention Dragon Quest 10 and the next Crystal Chronicles coming out soon.

And even classics like Seiken Densetsu and Megaten if you're morally opposed to ROMs.

Dragon Quest 10? i have 8 what about 9? i know theres a few rpgs on the wii. What im saying is DS has dozens.

Dragon Quest 9 is a DS exclusive and comes out next month.

And say "there are too few" instead of "there are no" if that's what you mean, darn it. =(

Shadowman wrote:How is it failing if it's outselling both PS3 and 360?

Its selling purely on hype. Its a hype machine IMO. And I really honestly don't believe Nintendo is having as much trouble keeping up with demand as they claim. I think they are purposely underproducing it to keep hype going. Everyone wants one but they really don't know why they do. Its what i seem to see everywhere. Hell even I fell for the hype trap!

Now I really don't hate the Wii. I think its a neat little system. But its still a supercharged gamecube and is still in need of more good games with the best graphics possible and perfect integrated wii gameplay. I do wanna touch on the Gamecube re-releases. It's not a bad Idea honestly. It wouldn't take many resources for Nintendo to do it and honestly a lot of people missed out on the great games the cube had to offer. I mean the Metroid series was re-launched on it, Zelda was bad ass, and Super Mario Sunshine wasn't too bad either. Also had 2 very kick ass Star Wars games on it. I also wouldn't mind seeing F-zero GX re-released but dammit there better be an easy mode! That game was too freakin hard!

I just hope they do more than just add Wii controls. How about making sure all the games support progressive scan and 16x9. Also replacing the horrible midi music with some new fully orchastrated music, as the Gamecube's mini-dvd disc had ultra compressed sound.

Cormaster628 wrote:Its selling purely on hype. Its a hype machine IMO. And I really honestly don't believe Nintendo is having as much trouble keeping up with demand as they claim. I think they are purposely underproducing it to keep hype going. Everyone wants one but they really don't know why they do. Its what i seem to see everywhere. Hell even I fell for the hype trap!

That could very well be true...And not a bad business strategy at all on their end...

Cormaster628 wrote:Its selling purely on hype. Its a hype machine IMO. And I really honestly don't believe Nintendo is having as much trouble keeping up with demand as they claim. I think they are purposely underproducing it to keep hype going. Everyone wants one but they really don't know why they do. Its what i seem to see everywhere. Hell even I fell for the hype trap!

Selling on hype is still selling.

Cormaster628 wrote:Now I really don't hate the Wii. I think its a neat little system. But its still a supercharged gamecube and is still in need of more good games with the best graphics possible and perfect integrated wii gameplay. I do wanna touch on the Gamecube re-releases. It's not a bad Idea honestly. It wouldn't take many resources for Nintendo to do it and honestly a lot of people missed out on the great games the cube had to offer. I mean the Metroid series was re-launched on it, Zelda was bad ass, and Super Mario Sunshine wasn't too bad either. Also had 2 very kick ass Star Wars games on it. I also wouldn't mind seeing F-zero GX re-released but dammit there better be an easy mode! That game was too freakin hard!

By the Star Wars games, you mean Rogue Squadron, right? Because Factor 5, the guys who made Rogue Squadron, went under after that horrible failure, Lair.

Cormaster628 wrote:I just hope they do more than just add Wii controls. How about making sure all the games support progressive scan and 16x9. Also replacing the horrible midi music with some new fully orchastrated music, as the Gamecube's mini-dvd disc had ultra compressed sound.

I think the Metroid games supported progressive scan, if I remember right.

As for orchestrated music, a lot of songs in Super Mario Galaxy are fully orchestrated, and they sound FANTASTIC.

Shadowman wrote:Selling on hype is still selling.

yeah but I don't think the hype is going to last forever. Eventually everyone who wants one will get one and the Wii's will start piling up in stores just like 360's and PS3's do right now.

Shadowman wrote:By the Star Wars games, you mean Rogue Squadron, right? Because Factor 5, the guys who made Rogue Squadron, went under after that horrible failure, Lair.

I had no idea. Those were the ones i was referring too. I remember Lair, it was one of the first PS3 games. I heard it was horrible.

Shadowman wrote:I think the Metroid games supported progressive scan, if I remember right.

As for orchestrated music, a lot of songs in Super Mario Galaxy are fully orchestrated, and they sound FANTASTIC.

Totally agree about Mario Galaxy. The Music is awesome. And yeah there actually were quite a few Gamecube games that supported 480p 16x9. Just if they are porting all the good cube games to Wii if they weren't before hopefully they ad it. I get annoyed really with anything that's not at least 480p 16x9 on my HDTV. On that note 480p really isn't even that great on it. The Wii looks like **** compared to the PS3. The PS3 bascially looks like a computer, the Wii looks grainy. Exactly why I wish they would of used some better hardware that was capable of 720p.

typh0id wrote:

Cormaster628 wrote:Its selling purely on hype. Its a hype machine IMO. And I really honestly don't believe Nintendo is having as much trouble keeping up with demand as they claim. I think they are purposely underproducing it to keep hype going. Everyone wants one but they really don't know why they do. Its what i seem to see everywhere. Hell even I fell for the hype trap!

That could very well be true...And not a bad business strategy at all on their end...

I think it is true. I've talked to the employees at places like gamestop, Best Buy, Toys R Us, and Wal-mart. They say they'll get in like 20 Xboxes, 20 PS3's, and 7 Wii's. The Wii's will sell instantly then they won't get another shipment in for 2 weeks, while they'll get at least another shipment of the other systems in. Every now they'll get larger shipments but its not as common as it is with the other 2 systems.

Just as popular as the system is, I couldn't imagine it being as rare to come across now, in its 3rd year, if Nintendo was keeping up with the demand. I remember how crazy the PS2 launch was, but that only last like 6 months. Surely by now if Nintendo wanted to flood the shelfs they could. And as I've pointed out a million times already, the Wii's based on Gamecube hardware, so Nintendo has like 8 years of experience with it, shouldn't have any problem manufacturing them!

Cormaster628 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Selling on hype is still selling.

yeah but I don't think the hype is going to last forever. Eventually everyone who wants one will get one and the Wii's will start piling up in stores just like 360's and PS3's do right now.

Think about how you worded that; eventually, Wii will lose it's popularity, and then it will begin piling up like PS3 and 360. Now what does that say about PS3 and 360?

Cormaster628 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:By the Star Wars games, you mean Rogue Squadron, right? Because Factor 5, the guys who made Rogue Squadron, went under after that horrible failure, Lair.

I had no idea. Those were the ones i was referring too. I remember Lair, it was one of the first PS3 games. I heard it was horrible.

It's main problem was Sixaxis, PS3's bad attempt at copying Wii's motion control, did not work. Play GTAIV on PS3, get a helicopter, and turn on Sixaxis control. You will not get that thing to land, ever. One reviewer said "if you want a Dragon that does what it's told, don't buy Lair." Although I have heard of people who said they didn't mind the Motion Control, and they released a patch for control through the analogue sticks.

I worded it wrong. What i meant is how if you go to a store to buy an xbox or PS3 you're almost guaranteed
one's gonna be there and you'll be able to get one. That wasn't the case the morning i bought my PS3 as the walmart i went to was sold out and i had to go to another walmart. Anyway my main point is microsoft, and sony are keeping up with the demand and nintendo isn't. Honestly i think you'll see more wii's than xbox's or PS3's once nintendo meet's the demand.

Owning a PS3 has been devastating to my Wii.

I honestly did not turn the Wii on for 3 months after buying the PS3.

The Wii has been great for an occasional spot of fun. It is NOT the gamer's system for this generation. Sorry.

I'm no fanboy. I had a Wii for almost 2 years before the PS3. Sony (or Microsoft if you prefer it) has made a system with near limitless possibilities that will adapt to gamers over time. The Wii is...locked in to what it is.

(The nail in the coffin for me is the 480P limit on the Wii. WTF Nintendo...WTF.)

Counterpunch wrote:Owning a PS3 has been devastating to my Wii.

I honestly did not turn the Wii on for 3 months after buying the PS3.

I did. In fact, I don't think I've turned on my PS3 since January, while the Wii is at least still getting some love. (Team Fortress 2, however...)

Counterpunch wrote:I'm no fanboy. I had a Wii for almost 2 years before the PS3. Sony (or Microsoft if you prefer it) has made a system with near limitless possibilities that will adapt to gamers over time. The Wii is...locked in to what it is.

How so? "Locked in what it is" a video game console? I'm lost.

I mean, I have not used the DVD player on my PS3 even once. what really hurts it for me was the lack of PS2 BC, since I wanted a PS2 for Christmas, and my parent's resoned that since my mom wanted a computer (Which she has not used) and my dad wanted a Blu-Ray player (which he has not used) and I wanted a console (PS2 or 360 would have more than sufficed) they would get the PS3. They didn't get the used one that probably had PS2 BC, because it had a smaller hard drive...

...I do not know what I'm going to need 80 GB of space on a console for. I haven't even used half of it, between about a half a dozen demos, no less than five games being installed (Installing a game on a console? Ridiculous), the PS1 games being downloaded, and a helluva lot of saves.

Counterpunch wrote:(The nail in the coffin for me is the 480P limit on the Wii. WTF Nintendo...WTF.)

See, that kind of thing doesn't matter to me. For me, it's not about the graphics or the definition it can play on, for me, it's the game itself; graphics are only a small facet of how good a game is, and few people seem to realize that bad graphics doesn't mean a bad game, and good graphics doesn't mean a good game.

I've noticed something about this thread..... Only one person is defending the Wii to the death. Odd.

I'VE GOT IT! SHADOWMAN IS SHIGERU MIYAMOTO! GET BACK TO WORK YOU SOB AND MAKE A GAME THAT WOULD DRAW ME INTO WANTING A WII!

TheMuffin wrote:I've noticed something about this thread..... Only one person is defending the Wii to the death. Odd.

I'VE GOT IT! SHADOWMAN IS SHIGERU MIYAMOTO! GET BACK TO WORK YOU SOB AND MAKE A GAME THAT WOULD DRAW ME INTO WANTING A WII!

I already made Super Mario Galaxy! What more could you want?! More Zelda? Done! Star Fox? We're working it out! More Fire Emblem? It can be done! Punch-Out? Done and done! You want Koji Kondo to make you your own personal theme song? I'll see what I can do!

Damnit Miyamoto! Those franchises are old and worn out! We need new IP's to draw in new people!

Shadowman wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:I'm no fanboy. I had a Wii for almost 2 years before the PS3. Sony (or Microsoft if you prefer it) has made a system with near limitless possibilities that will adapt to gamers over time. The Wii is...locked in to what it is.

How so? "Locked in what it is" a video game console? I'm lost.

I mean, I have not used the DVD player on my PS3 even once. what really hurts it for me was the lack of PS2 BC, since I wanted a PS2 for Christmas, and my parent's resoned that since my mom wanted a computer (Which she has not used) and my dad wanted a Blu-Ray player (which he has not used) and I wanted a console (PS2 or 360 would have more than sufficed) they would get the PS3. They didn't get the used one that probably had PS2 BC, because it had a smaller hard drive...

...I do not know what I'm going to need 80 GB of space on a console for. I haven't even used half of it, between about a half a dozen demos, no less than five games being installed (Installing a game on a console? Ridiculous), the PS1 games being downloaded, and a helluva lot of saves.

LOL!

For real?

You're an educated software/computer person. We all know this.

Now you want to argue that options, expandability, drive space, and upgradeable funcationality aren't necessary?

No. Friggen. Way.

You're locked into a fanboy perspective. Sorry man. What you said goes against what any reasonable gamer should want.

Counterpunch wrote:(The nail in the coffin for me is the 480P limit on the Wii. WTF Nintendo...WTF.)

Shadowman wrote:See, that kind of thing doesn't matter to me. For me, it's not about the graphics or the definition it can play on, for me, it's the game itself; graphics are only a small facet of how good a game is, and few people seem to realize that bad graphics doesn't mean a bad game, and good graphics doesn't mean a good game.

Graphics aren't really the issue. They do in fact matter, but the real issues are input lag problems related to upconversion. Because the native resolution of the Wii is stuck at 480P, a lot of TVs will not lower themselves to that and will upscale it. This takes computing time and creates lag. It's not too bad, but it is real and it is a problem.

Before you go quoting me line for line and all, know that I really do like my Wii. It's just...no where near as good as the other systems. Basic specs tell us that. Nintendo makes good games...when they get around to it. However, while you're content to wait for another Mario, Zelda, SSMB...other systems constantly bring out new games and things to do.

I will continue to play my Wii. I will buy 2-3 games per year for it and I will absolutely love every 'No More Heroes', Mad City, and whatever else. But don't try to argue that the few gems Nintendo tosses our way every year can amount to the golden crown of comparative gaming that the PS3 and 360 offer.

-cp
--owner of a NES master set with R.O.B. and Gyromite upon release
---(That's gamer cred for life yo.)

Counterpunch wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:I'm no fanboy. I had a Wii for almost 2 years before the PS3. Sony (or Microsoft if you prefer it) has made a system with near limitless possibilities that will adapt to gamers over time. The Wii is...locked in to what it is.

How so? "Locked in what it is" a video game console? I'm lost.

I mean, I have not used the DVD player on my PS3 even once. what really hurts it for me was the lack of PS2 BC, since I wanted a PS2 for Christmas, and my parent's resoned that since my mom wanted a computer (Which she has not used) and my dad wanted a Blu-Ray player (which he has not used) and I wanted a console (PS2 or 360 would have more than sufficed) they would get the PS3. They didn't get the used one that probably had PS2 BC, because it had a smaller hard drive...

...I do not know what I'm going to need 80 GB of space on a console for. I haven't even used half of it, between about a half a dozen demos, no less than five games being installed (Installing a game on a console? Ridiculous), the PS1 games being downloaded, and a helluva lot of saves.

LOL!

For real?

You're an educated software/computer person. We all know this.

Now you want to argue that options, expandability, drive space, and upgradeable funcationality aren't necessary?

No. Friggen. Way.

You're locked into a fanboy perspective. Sorry man. What you said goes against what any reasonable gamer should want.

Counterpunch wrote:(The nail in the coffin for me is the 480P limit on the Wii. WTF Nintendo...WTF.)

Shadowman wrote:See, that kind of thing doesn't matter to me. For me, it's not about the graphics or the definition it can play on, for me, it's the game itself; graphics are only a small facet of how good a game is, and few people seem to realize that bad graphics doesn't mean a bad game, and good graphics doesn't mean a good game.

Graphics aren't really the issue. They do in fact matter, but the real issues are input lag problems related to upconversion. Because the native resolution of the Wii is stuck at 480P, a lot of TVs will not lower themselves to that and will upscale it. This takes computing time and creates lag. It's not too bad, but it is real and it is a problem.

Before you go quoting me line for line and all, know that I really do like my Wii. It's just...no where near as good as the other systems. Basic specs tell us that. Nintendo makes good games...when they get around to it. However, while you're content to wait for another Mario, Zelda, SSMB...other systems constantly bring out new games and things to do.

I will continue to play my Wii. I will buy 2-3 games per year for it and I will absolutely love every 'No More Heroes', Mad City, and whatever else. But don't try to argue that the few gems Nintendo tosses our way every year can amount to the golden crown of comparative gaming that the PS3 and 360 offer.

-cp
--owner of a NES master set with R.O.B. and Gyromite upon release
---(That's gamer cred for life yo.)

QFT

Awesome post. I have a Wii too and honestly I really don't regret buying it. But after I got the PS3, just like you, it kinda killed Wii for me. I love my PS3, I think its the best system out there, inspite of the fact its the least popular of the "big 3". As a guy who's also a PC gamer, I think the thing I love the most about the PS3 is the fact it blurr's the lines between console and PC gaming. The system is pretty much the true spiratural successor to the original Xbox. I love how open everything is, and how it doesn't rely a 100% on first party accesories like the Xbox 360.

And honestly I kind of wish I had at least an 80GB. While I don't play music on it, I download Demo's, games from the Playstation store, and add on's for guitar hero all the time. I've already taken out 13 GB out of the 27GB available of my 40GB HDD when I got it. I think I'm going to throw a 320GB in it eventually, and at that point I'll probably do away with my HTPC, since the PS3 can do nearly everything and more than it anyway.

OH BTW about the lag issue. I think its pretty much a non-issue on newer TV's. I have a Sony Bravia KDF 46E3000 LCD projection TV and the wii runs fine a 100% with no lag what-so-ever. It is however a fact that older HDTV's did deal with the issue, especially DLP's. I don't have the lag problem so much, the problem is with any HDTV is while High Def looks great, Standard def looks like ****. The Wii looked great on my old Samsung 27inch HD CRT hooked up component and running 480p, but it looks grainy on the Sony. Thats why I wish Nintendo would of at least made a system capable of 720p, even if the graphic detail were about the same as gamecube.

Tekka wrote:Dragon Quest 9 is a DS exclusive and comes out next month.

And say "there are too few" instead of "there are no" if that's what you mean, darn it. =(

Sorry dude what i meant is that wii doesnt have a huge name rpg. Dragon Quest Swords wasnt beaten casually in like 3 days. And i was so excited to play that.

On the other hand i think of games like FF 10 and Dragon Quest 8 on PS2 and i am still impressed with how gorgeous and graphically amazing they are. Will we get that with a Wii Rpg? The Wii isnt as powerful as Xbox360 and PS3 which is why it doesnt have Call Of Dutys or MGS4s.

And is that the dragon quest preview were i seen on youtube were the characters were attacking like in a grandia game.

Coughler wrote:The Wii isnt as powerful as Xbox360 and PS3 which is why it doesnt have Call Of Dutys or MGS4s.

Except for Call of Duty: World at War. That one is on Wii.

I don't think so. With Wii being so popular, I don't see any problems of releasing old or rehased games. Business is all about marketing. If they can make the so called old games to appear to be
a very new release, then the kids are going to buy it. Xbox seems good but there are other problems as well, "ring of death" for example?

But anyway, its just your opinion.

I honestly think the Gamecube idea is a good idea. The overall Wii Library just sucks and Nintendo can't make enough good first party Wii games to couteract all the crap that keeps coming out. Adding Gamecube titles to the mix at least gives Wii owners a few more options!

BTW I think the Wii's dominance at the top is nearly over. I'm seeing Wii's piling up now. They no longer are the system you just have to pick up because you don't know when you'll see one again. I've probably seen 20 in the past week! No one even seems to care either, I see people just walking right by them everywhere.

Cormaster628 wrote: No one even seems to care either, I see people just walking right by them everywhere.

I suppose that could be because everyone and their freaking dog has one at this point...

I don't have one. I'll check with my dog, though.