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The same can be said for Nintendo games, every new one has something that the last one did not. Nintendo's characters are memorable unlike 95% of today's game heroes who are faceless and bland. I'll take Mario and Link over the forgettable protagonists of games like Gears of War and dare I say Halo. Yes with the direction they are taking Halo in, there is a good chance that Master chief won't be remembered as long as Nintendo characters have been.

I buy a game system to play Video Games not to watch movies or chat or anything else. I also never have had to worry about my Wii red ringing me. Not to say the Wii is a perfect system, or even the greatest system ever. No that title belongs to the NES and the SNES.

I'm with Skice on this one. I buy video game systems to play video games. If I wanted a DVD player, I'd drop the $50 for one. If I wanted Netflix, I'd just get Netflix, I don't need a game console as a middle man. And a chat system? If I wanted to, I could have made this whole post on my Wii.

And I tried Home, and I would not recommend Home to anyone who likes to have fun.

People always say something like that when they don't have it. Do you need blu-ray playback? Do you need a media center built into your console? No. Of course not. But damn it, when they're included it becomes an extra feature that you're glad is around so you DON'T HAVE TO GO SPEND $50-$200 on another component! That's the point of them putting those things in!

Now with the Wii, you play the must haves.... And then what remains after that? Wait months for something else to come out? I have honestly lost count of the people who have told me they haven't turned their system on in months because the games they gave a damn about were released close to a year ago. That right there is why I have no respect for the Wii. Third Party support is a joke and the First Party games are so far in between that the console becomes a paperweight instead of a game console.

You guys have to understand where I'm coming from here. I don't hate the Nintendo Wii. I do however strongly dislike Nintendo as a company. The console has 800+ games on it. Would you believe that? How many do you guys own? They sucked people in with the low price tag and the brand name only to offer a bare bone presentation to their prior system owners. And now that they've released what little they had to cater to us, the system gets filled with generic party games that offer fun to only the lowest common denominator. IE. Normal people. I'm pissed off by the fact they did this. If I still owned the console I would feel cheated to say the least by the utter lack of quality that has been put out in the past 3 years.

TheMuffin wrote:People always say something like that when they don't have it. Do you need blu-ray playback? Do you need a media center built into your console? No. Of course not. But damn it, when they're included it becomes an extra feature that you're glad is around so you DON'T HAVE TO GO SPEND $50-$200 on another component! That's the point of them putting those things in!

I do have it, actually. We got a PS3 for Christmas. We have used the DVD player on it maybe three or four times since then.

And while we're on the subject, why would I need a DVD player built into my gaming console when I already have one built into my PC?

TheMuffin wrote:Now with the Wii, you play the must haves.... And then what remains after that? Wait months for something else to come out? I have honestly lost count of the people who have told me they haven't turned their system on in months because the games they gave a damn about were released close to a year ago. That right there is why I have no respect for the Wii. Third Party support is a joke and the First Party games are so far in between that the console becomes a paperweight instead of a game console.

Well, I still need to get Okami, Super Paper Mario, Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles, and Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, and I'm waiting on No More Heroes: Desperate Struggle, the Metroid Prime remake that started this whole thread, and Red Steel 2. plus I still need to finish Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (I beat it on Gamecube, but I wanted to try the Wii version), Super Mario Galaxy, and Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition. And if you want to get into games I've already beaten, how about Metroid Prime 3, No More Heroes, Super Smash Bros. Brawl (technically it could go on forever, there's no real end), Red Steel.

TheMuffin wrote:You guys have to understand where I'm coming from here. I don't hate the Nintendo Wii. I do however strongly dislike Nintendo as a company. The console has 800+ games on it. Would you believe that? How many do you guys own?

Using that list as an estimate (I do a lot of trading and I KNOW I missed something), I'd say I've gone through 7 games in the past year. That is kind of a lot for me.

TheMuffin wrote:They sucked people in with the low price tag and the brand name only to offer a bare bone presentation to their prior system owners.

Well at least Wii owners don't have to worry about a red ring of death, now do we?

Also "Bare bones?" God forbid a video game system only play video games! That'd be like a car that could only drive on land; sheer and utter normalcy.

TheMuffin wrote:And now that they've released what little they had to cater to us, the system gets filled with generic party games that offer fun to only the lowest common denominator. IE. Normal people. I'm pissed off by the fact they did this.

Why? Is it because you think games should only be tailored to hardcore gamers, thus alienating the normal people, meaning they make less money then they possibly could?

TheMuffin wrote:If I still owned the console I would feel cheated to say the least by the utter lack of quality that has been put out in the past 3 years.

I do not feel cheated, and I'm still quite happy with the system.

Congrats then.

Skice wrote:

TheMuffin wrote:The whole system is redundant. That's the problem.

That can be said about the other two consoles right now as well. I mean a lot(not all but a lot) of the X360 and Ps3 games are almost exactily the same. IE: an FPS where you're some "battle hardened" 'roided-up bad-ass with a big gun and armor saving the earth/humanity from some various threat like aliens or terrorists or something. Gee I think I just described like almost every single FPS on the market right now or in development.

Exactly why I love Bioshock so much. A different kind of FPS with role-playing elements and a story that will suck you in.

I see what Muffen's saying and what Skice is saying. I love Nintendo's first party games, but man I'm getting sick of their 1980's way of thinking. The Wii takes full size discs yet if you stick an audio CD in it it'll say "unrecognized format". WTF? The system is everybit as powerfull as the original Xbox and twice as powerful as a PS2 yet it can't play DVD's? WTF?

Nintendo really does cut too many corners on gaming systems. All it would take for the Wii to play DVD's or CD's is software, How much would that honestly cost when they are making $50 profit/unit on the thing while Sony and MS are selling their systems for either dead even or at a loss? But I think I can deal with those corners moreso than the other corners they cut:

#1. No gaming profiles, and no on-line names. The Friend code thing is gay, I don't even know how to find mine! Its easy as hell to get online with My PS3 and tell someone "my name's CornDogg628 just look me up" but the Wii uses "friend codes"! WTF is that anyway?

#2. No Mass Storage. Would it of Killed Nintendo to just put a 10gb laptop harddrive in the thing? Now its not that big of a deal but it is because Nintendo has this massive on-line gaming download service yet they offer no soloution on where the hell you are supposed to store all that! You know the thing also has 2 USB ports, why not just allow Flash drives and USB hard drives?

#3. No rechargable soloution. The PS3 still has the best as it just comes with controllers with built in Li-ion batteries and a USB cable to charge, but at least the Xbox has options. You can buy the quick charge or play and charge kit for your Xbox. As for the Wii no current plans to release a name brand recharge soloution. How in the hell do you have a system with wireless controllers but you offer no soloution on how to keep those things running indefinitely? Is Nintendo making profit from every energizer battery sold?

#4. most importantly the Hardware is simply just too damn weak, and I really don't understand why. It seems Nintendo could of come up with something better than a supercharged gamecube for this system war. When you break the Wii down, its nearly identical to the gamecube hardware. The difference? The GPU and CPU run faster and theirs more memory. Think of it this way. You have a Pentium III 500 with a Geforce 3 video card. You upgrade to a Pentium III 866mhz and a Geforce 4 video card, and you take your memmory in your PC from 128megs to 256 megs. Your PC is going to perform better, but at its core its still the same PC and not a drastic change,and its still going to be too weak to run today's games. I understand Nintendo didn't wanna get into a pissing contest with MS and Sony but they could of at least come up with a newer architechture!

Now as for my Wii I don't feel like I wasted money on it. While It has been rarely used for the last 3 months, I bought like 8 or 9 games on it, and played the hell out of it my first year I had it. I feel like I got my money's worth already. Its just a shame that as of now the future is bleak on the thing, and Nintendo could of taken the lead for once and for all this time, yet "cutting corners" is going to cost them another victory yet again. When its all said and done I think the system war will look like this:

#1. Xbox 360. Can't deny it even as a PS3 fan I know the PS3 ain't catchin up!
#2. PS3. The PS3 will hold its own and Sony will be in good shape to make a comeback with their next system, probably PS4 knowin them.
#3. Wii. Just like the N64 the Wii started out strong as hell but it's going to fail and fail hard, and by the end of its life we'll be seeing nothing but horrible kid games and virtually no 3rd party support.

Cormaster628 wrote:I see what Muffen's saying and what Skice is saying. I love Nintendo's first party games, but man I'm getting sick of their 1980's way of thinking. The Wii takes full size discs yet if you stick an audio CD in it it'll say "unrecognized format". WTF? The system is everybit as powerfull as the original Xbox and twice as powerful as a PS2 yet it can't play DVD's? WTF?

If I put a movie DVD in my PS3, it will play. If I put a PS2 DVD in my PS3, nothing happens.

Nintendo really does cut too many corners on gaming systems. All it would take for the Wii to play DVD's or CD's is software, How much would that honestly cost when they are making $50 profit/unit on the thing while Sony and MS are selling their systems for either dead even or at a loss? But I think I can deal with those corners moreso than the other corners they cut:

Cormaster628 wrote:#1. No gaming profiles, and no on-line names. The Friend code thing is gay, I don't even know how to find mine! Its easy as hell to get online with My PS3 and tell someone "my name's CornDogg628 just look me up" but the Wii uses "friend codes"! WTF is that anyway?

I don't believe in friends.

Cormaster628 wrote:#2. No Mass Storage. Would it of Killed Nintendo to just put a 10gb laptop harddrive in the thing? Now its not that big of a deal but it is because Nintendo has this massive on-line gaming download service yet they offer no soloution on where the hell you are supposed to store all that! You know the thing also has 2 USB ports, why not just allow Flash drives and USB hard drives?

Or put in an SD card. Because the Wii can read SD cards.

Cormaster628 wrote:#3. No rechargable soloution. The PS3 still has the best as it just comes with controllers with built in Li-ion batteries and a USB cable to charge, but at least the Xbox has options. You can buy the quick charge or play and charge kit for your Xbox. As for the Wii no current plans to release a name brand recharge soloution. How in the hell do you have a system with wireless controllers but you offer no soloution on how to keep those things running indefinitely? Is Nintendo making profit from every energizer battery sold?

It's not really a hassle to change batteries.

Cormaster628 wrote:#4. most importantly the Hardware is simply just too damn weak, and I really don't understand why. It seems Nintendo could of come up with something better than a supercharged gamecube for this system war. When you break the Wii down, its nearly identical to the gamecube hardware. The difference? The GPU and CPU run faster and theirs more memory. Think of it this way. You have a Pentium III 500 with a Geforce 3 video card. You upgrade to a Pentium III 866mhz and a Geforce 4 video card, and you take your memmory in your PC from 128megs to 256 megs. Your PC is going to perform better, but at its core its still the same PC and not a drastic change,and its still going to be too weak to run today's games. I understand Nintendo didn't wanna get into a pissing contest with MS and Sony but they could of at least come up with a newer architechture!

Does it need it? Because graphics should NOT be a deciding factor in the console war. And even so, Wii doesn't have much to worry about when their sales are still far outclassing 360 and PS3.

Cormaster628 wrote:#1. Xbox 360. Can't deny it even as a PS3 fan I know the PS3 ain't catchin up!

I dunno if I'd call Xbox Live great, since it uses the "pay for a game you've already paid for" strategy.

#2. PS3. The PS3 will hold its own and Sony will be in good shape to make a comeback with their next system, probably PS4 knowin them./quote]

It's a naming system that works, and it's easily identifiable as theirs.

#3. Wii. Just like the N64 the Wii started out strong as hell but it's going to fail and fail hard, and by the end of its life we'll be seeing nothing but horrible kid games and virtually no 3rd party support.

Are you sure you're thinking of Wii? Are you sure you don't mean PS2, which is doing that now?

But then, I'm not sure where your prediction is coming from, given that Wii has been outselling both of the other consoles.

Skice wrote:

TheMuffin wrote:The whole system is redundant. That's the problem.

That can be said about the other two consoles right now as well. I mean a lot(not all but a lot) of the X360 and Ps3 games are almost exactily the same. IE: an FPS where you're some "battle hardened" 'roided-up bad-ass with a big gun and armor saving the earth/humanity from some various threat like aliens or terrorists or something. Gee I think I just described like almost every single FPS on the market right now or in development.

I have to agree about the over abunance of FPS I got sick of that genre back on the N64. I like the RPGs that use elements of FPS (Fallout 3 and Mass Effect) but I down loaded the demo of Bioshock and I just didn't care for it. Hell I'm one of the few people that bought an an Xbox 360 or the orginal Xbox and I have NOT ever played any of the Halo games on them.

I bought them to play RPGs like Mass Effect, Obilvion, Fallout 3, Fable 2, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Residnet Evil 5, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Fable, Fable: The Lost Chapters, Jade Empire, and so forth.

I do use my Xbox 1 and 360 to play DVDs and CDs.

Shadowman wrote:

Cormaster628 wrote:I see what Muffen's saying and what Skice is saying. I love Nintendo's first party games, but man I'm getting sick of their 1980's way of thinking. The Wii takes full size discs yet if you stick an audio CD in it it'll say "unrecognized format". WTF? The system is everybit as powerfull as the original Xbox and twice as powerful as a PS2 yet it can't play DVD's? WTF?

If I put a movie DVD in my PS3, it will play. If I put a PS2 DVD in my PS3, nothing happens.

When the PS3 debuted for $600 it did have means to play PS2 games but when people complained that PS3 was too expensive and finally when Sony decided to bring down (and "update" the PS3) the price on the PS3 one of the things it lost was backwards capability with PS2 games because it cost to much to have the hardware and software needed to play PS2 games on the PS3.

Cyberstrike wrote:

Skice wrote:

TheMuffin wrote:The whole system is redundant. That's the problem.

That can be said about the other two consoles right now as well. I mean a lot(not all but a lot) of the X360 and Ps3 games are almost exactily the same. IE: an FPS where you're some "battle hardened" 'roided-up bad-ass with a big gun and armor saving the earth/humanity from some various threat like aliens or terrorists or something. Gee I think I just described like almost every single FPS on the market right now or in development.

I have to agree about the over abunance of FPS I got sick of that genre back on the N64. I like the RPGs that use elements of FPS (Fallout 3 and Mass Effect) but I down loaded the demo of Bioshock and I just didn't care for it. Hell I'm one of the few people that bought an an Xbox 360 or the orginal Xbox and I have NOT ever played any of the Halo games on them.

I bought them to play RPGs like Mass Effect, Obilvion, Fallout 3, Fable 2, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Residnet Evil 5, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Fable, Fable: The Lost Chapters, Jade Empire, and so forth.

I agree with you on BioShock. It's nice at first, but once you look at it's downsides (Specifically, you can't lose, ever, since if you die, you'll come back to life with everything just as you left it) it's not that great.

Don't most games do that? Checkpoints and all that?

For the record, the title of this thread is pretty misleading...For some misguided reason I thought "Nintendo is Officially Dead" was going to be about something...well, OFFICIAL...

The title should be something more along the lines of "I Hate Nintendo! >:(" or "Grr! Nintendo Pisses Me Off!!"


But the truth of the matter is that Nintendo is, in fact, NOT dead...Actually Nintendo is going stronger than it has in probably a decade...I'd be willing to bet that the Wii has already outsold both the Gamecube and the 64 combined...

And for the record I'm actually not a big fan of the Wii myself...I don't have one, nor do I want one and I think it's pretty silly for the most part...But you can't argue with success, as the saying goes...Nintendo finally managed to hit upon something people actually WANT (much to my own suprise)...And I am continually astounded by the sheer amount of people I have met that have never before cared at ALL about videogames (even DISLIKED them in some cases) but actually bought and love the Wii...

So I, for one, am proud of Nintendo...They may not be appealing to me personally these days, but it's nice to see them reclaim at least a bit of their former glory...

TheMuffin wrote:Don't most games do that? Checkpoints and all that?

In most games, dying means going back to a checkpoint and having to redo your progress. In BioShock, dying simply means getting moved to another location, with no change to your progress; you'll retain all items, all kills, and anything you hurt will still be hurt.

typh0id wrote:For the record, the title of this thread is pretty misleading...For some misguided reason I thought "Nintendo is Officially Dead" was going to be about something...well, OFFICIAL...

The title should be something more along the lines of "I Hate Nintendo! >:(" or "Grr! Nintendo Pisses Me Off!!"


But the truth of the matter is that Nintendo is, in fact, NOT dead...Actually Nintendo is going stronger than it has in probably a decade...I'd be willing to bet that the Wii has already outsold both the Gamecube and the 64 combined...

And for the record I'm actually not a big fan of the Wii myself...I don't have one, nor do I want one and I think it's pretty silly for the most part...But you can't argue with success, as the saying goes...Nintendo finally managed to hit upon something people actually WANT (much to my own suprise)...And I am continually astounded by the sheer amount of people I have met that have never before cared at ALL about videogames (even DISLIKED them in some cases) but actually bought and love the Wii...

So I, for one, am proud of Nintendo...They may not be appealing to me personally these days, but it's nice to see them reclaim at least a bit of their former glory...

And there we go: A post from someone who dislikes the Wii but still gives an argument both ways.

I think there's more to PS3's lack of backward compatibility than just price to implement it. It wouldn't cost sony much at all to put an emulator on the PS3 that runs PS2 flawlessly. I think the fact is they were too cocky when the released the PS3 and they thought regardless of its high price tag it was going to be the #1 video game system in the world and everyone would soon forget about PS2.

However Sony realizes right now the PS2 is still going strong, and in fact I believe its doing better than its successor. Its a $130 for a new PS2, why give one away for free to all the PS3 owners? I think thats more what it is than anything. I for one don't care that it doesn't have PS2 b/c. I have both systems, love them both.

That and I think B/c is almost dead. While it goes back farther than the PS2, the PS2 started a fad, and the fad's about dead. Their hasn't been an update to the Xbox 360 b/c in over a year. In order to play gamecube games on the Wii you need a Gamecube controller, and those are no longer in production. Also consider that the new DS coming out this year lacks the GBA port meaning GBA games won't play on it anymore. No one's seeming to care much about all this. I think people just like to use the B/C argument against PS3 because people gotta rip on it for something now that its a reasonably priced blu-ray player/video game system.

I for one am glad I own the 40GB model. I think the new PS3 models are much better than the old ones. The archetecture is newer, and the CPU uses 75 watts less power. And talking to people with 60GB and 80GB PS3 models of old, the B/C sucked anyway!

Cormaster628 wrote:I for one don't care that it doesn't have PS2 b/c. I have both systems, love them both.

Unfortunately, some of us don't have both...

Cormaster628 wrote:That and I think B/c is almost dead. While it goes back farther than the PS2, the PS2 started a fad, and the fad's about dead.

Wow, where did you get that? Aren't most people complaining about the BC problems the current generation is having? The Wii's need of a GC controller, the 360's shrunken list, and the PS3's near-total removal.

Cormaster628 wrote:In order to play gamecube games on the Wii you need a Gamecube controller, and those are no longer in production.

What are you talking about? I see Gamecube controllers in stores all the time.

Cormaster628 wrote:Also consider that the new DS coming out this year lacks the GBA port meaning GBA games won't play on it anymore. No one's seeming to care much about all this. I think people just like to use the B/C argument against PS3 because people gotta rip on it for something now that its a reasonably priced blu-ray player/video game system

No, it's because backwards compatibility matters. I really would like to get a copy of Final Fantasy X, or God of War II, or the Destroy All Humans games, but my PS3 can't play PS2 games. This is a problem for me.

Well any controllers you see these days are either 3rd party or overstock. I for one would love to get another wavebird, but I haven't seen even a regular gamecube controller for sale anywhere.

So tell me this. Would you rather have a Wii with perfect backward compatibility or a Wii with no backward compatibility that's capable of HD, and better graphics? I for one would rather just nintendo ditched B/C and made a more powerful system. I don't even think thats why Nintendo decided to use the GCN architecture for the Wii. I think it was more laziness. They spent so much time with that controller that they decided to just "supercharge" the gamecube hardware and be done with it.

And let me point out while the Wii is very very successfull, Developers hate the thing with a Passion. I saw a chart on what percentage of developers are interested in each system. 90% said Xbox 360. 70% said PS3. 60% said PC. a mere 40% said Wii. Developers are pissed off that the thing's so successfull and thats why 90% of the Wii library is about the quality of a yahoo flash game. Most people who buy the Wii have the same reaction I do: They are blown away at first after firing up Wii sports, buy a bunch of first party games and love them all, then find theirs nothing else out there, and they get bored with it quickly and buy a 360 or PS3. Thats why I'm prediciting the Wii is going to fail and fail hard before the system war is over. And Remember the N64? IT was very similar. The first 2 years of its life it sold like hotcakes, but eventually the lack of a CD-drive and the limitations of cartridges took it's toll, and until Wii was released Nintendo has been struggling with the home console market ever since.

Now as for the current PS3's if you want PS2 compatibility go buy a freakin PS2! It was $600 for the old 60GB model. For $530 you can buy an 80GB PS3 and a brand new slim PS2, and the new PS2 is so small it isn't going to take up a whole lot of extra space. For christ sakes its smaller than a Wii! I still say Sony's dropping b/c because the PS2 is still successful and they see no point in giving one away for free.

Put it this way. Would you rather just have a PS3 that can play all PS3 games and 80% of PS2 games, or a PS3 and PS2 both for an even smaller price so you can just play all the games branded "Sony Playstation" (with the exception of PSP)? I still think b/c is a fad, and it won't suprise me if the next generation of consoles and portables just do away with it all together. By the time the PS2 was released, PSone hardware was so cheap they had no trouble implementing it into the new system. Things are different now. The original 60GB PS3 model was being sold for $600 and actually cost $825! The new model is made at $400 and sold for $400.

I also wanna talk about the importance of including DVD and/or blu-ray playback with a video game system. The PS2 is hands down the reason why VHS is out of date these days. And their are a lot of people who shunned the gamecube for an Xbox or PS2 so they could have their first DVD player. As for Blu-ray, well sony was the only company who had the balls to put an HD disc playback soloution into their system, and guess what? HD-DVD is dead, Blu-ray wins. Honestly I would of prefered it be the other way around, but I give kudos to Sony for making such a ballsy decision! Ultimatley the success of Blu-ray is the reason why I bought a PS3 over a 360. I got an HDTV last year and I wanted a Blu-ray player. It was $388 for a Blu-ray player and a $400 for a PS3. I figured the extra $12 would be worth it.

Cormaster628 wrote: Thats why I'm prediciting the Wii is going to fail and fail hard before the system war is over. And Remember the N64? IT was very similar. The first 2 years of its life it sold like hotcakes, but eventually the lack of a CD-drive and the limitations of cartridges took it's toll, and until Wii was released Nintendo has been struggling with the home console market ever since.

That's true, but the main difference with the Wii is that it has reached an entierly new market of people...It's appealing to a large demographic of new gamers who never cared about videogames before...It's become THE system to play when you have parties or friends over...And I believe that is going to really sustain the Wii because unlike the PS3 or the 360, where MOST people are going to choose one or the other, the Wii is something a vast amount of people are getting in ADDITION to one of the others...It's like Nintendo decided that rather than make something that they hope people will choose over the competition, they made a system that people will want AS WELL...So it doesn't matter if it doesn't have the libaries of the other two big hitters because it's cheap enough people can buy both...

Cormaster628 wrote:I also wanna talk about the importance of including DVD and/or blu-ray playback with a video game system. The PS2 is hands down the reason why VHS is out of date these days. And their are a lot of people who shunned the gamecube for an Xbox or PS2 so they could have their first DVD player. As for Blu-ray, well sony was the only company who had the balls to put an HD disc playback soloution into their system, and guess what? HD-DVD is dead, Blu-ray wins. Honestly I would of prefered it be the other way around, but I give kudos to Sony for making such a ballsy decision! Ultimatley the success of Blu-ray is the reason why I bought a PS3 over a 360. I got an HDTV last year and I wanted a Blu-ray player. It was $388 for a Blu-ray player and a $400 for a PS3. I figured the extra $12 would be worth it.

You're completely right about that...The PS2 was pretty much THE reason that DVD took off the way it did...A lot of people were on the fence about whether or not they really needed to upgrade their movie-watching hardware, but EVERYONE wanted a new gaming system and as a result, they got the DVD player automatically...

And the PS3 is easily a major factor in Blu-Ray winning out over HD-DVD...

So yeah I do agree that DVD playback is important in a game-system...I personally don't really care if it's there or not because I'm willing to buy a separate player for movies...But there are a lot of people out there for which video-playback is a major selling point in a videogame system...

I think for Sony to get me to buy a PS3 Sony needs: more exclusives for the PS3. Other than MGS4 there is no game on the PS3 that I want that isn't also on Xbox 360 games like Dynasty Warriors Gundam, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Devil May Cry 4, Street Fighter 4, Resident Evil 5, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and Fallout 3 (and in case of Fallout 3 all the DLC that is coming out is for the Xbox 360 and PC only) or is exclusive to Xbox 360 and PC like Mass Effect and Fable 2.

I don't have HDTV and I've seen Blu-Ray players that are cheaper than the PS3. So unless Sony starts getting some high profile, high quality games, it's a console that I'm not all that interested in buying at this time.

As for the Wii I'm not seeing any games that really appeal to me. I think Nintendo should be praised for trying to non-gamers in but the Wii just isn't for me at this time.

Now if Sony and/or start putting out games that appeal to me and that are exclusives to their respective systems then I'll buy a PS3 and/or a Wii (that is if I can find a Wii) but until then I'm sticking with my Xbox 360.

Cyberstrike wrote:I think for Sony to get me to buy a PS3 Sony needs: more exclusives for the PS3. Other than MGS4 there is no game on the PS3 that I want that isn't also on Xbox 360

This was exactly my thinking word for word. The only game I missed from the PS3 was MGS4, and the only game I missed from the Wii is Umbrella Chronicles. I don't have interest in Mario games, which seems to be a decent percentage of the Wii's exclusives, so it didn't have much appeal. In fact, my wife and I borrowed one for a week to try it and didn't touch it past the first night.

But if I hadn't bought the 360, I'd have missed out on Dead Rising, Left 4 Dead (I don't use my PC for games anymore), and a whole whack of other games called Dead something or other. Those 360 exclusives also worried me that there would be future exclusives I'd want but would miss out on if I didn't go with the 360. (I've since learned that Dead Rising is now on the Wii, but I've explained why I didn't want a Wii.)

For the longest time, I wanted to get a PS3, but money and priorities prevented me. When it was time to get a PS3, I looked at the options and went with a 360 instead mostly because of the exclusives as well as a couple other reasons. I'm not ready to move to BluRay and don't have an HD TV so those weren't factors for me.

The game system for me is about the games and neither Wii nor PS3 offered me what I wanted. I will admit that the Wii right now is hot, but it's just not my thing. I might change my tune about the PS3 in years to come, but I've always been a guy who's satisfied with my choice so I'm not worried.

I don't know what everyone is talking about PS3 and not having good exclusives. I think their exclusives is where the system really shines at. Check it out

Metal Gear Solid 4
Motorstorm
Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
Uncharted: Drakes Fortune
Resistance: Fall of man
Resistance 2
Little Big Planet
Wipeout HD

Coming soon:
Uncharted 2
Killzone 2

Theres a couple more but those are the best. I'm exact opposite on PS3 exclusives vs. 360. Maybe theirs more on 360, but it seems the ones on PS3 are just well better. And the ones that are awesome on 360 I can pick up for the PC anyway. And I'm kinda over the whole "Halo" thing, but I already heard Halo 3 and Gears of war 2 are slated for the PC.

Oh and as for the Wii while I totally agree with attracting other people to the video game market, theirs still a problem with support. Wii Sports still seems to be the only game to truley show what casual gaming's all about, and they've completly failed to capitolize on that. For instance it features an awesoem bowling game that would make you think picking up a full bowling game for the system would be a good idea. You notice their are 2 bowling games for the system, and you look up reviews. IGN gives them 4 out of a 10.

Problem is most cell phone games are better than over half of the Wii library. Support is just not there

Yeah, I personally think that silly little boxing game is the best thing that's ever come out on the system

Cormaster628 wrote:Oh and as for the Wii while I totally agree with attracting other people to the video game market, theirs still a problem with support.

What do you mean by "support"?

Cormaster628 wrote:Wii Sports still seems to be the only game to truley show what casual gaming's all about, and they've completly failed to capitolize on that.

I'm lost, weren't people complaining before because it was too casual? Because it sounds like you're saying it's not casual enough.

Cormaster628 wrote:For instance it features an awesoem bowling game that would make you think picking up a full bowling game for the system would be a good idea.

No, no bowling game would ever make me think that...

...unless they were to bring back the Mutant League series...

Cormaster628 wrote:You notice their are 2 bowling games for the system, and you look up reviews. IGN gives them 4 out of a 10.

Two bowling games, both crap, that makes sense. It's the type of sport you could play casually in a half an hour.

How many Madden and NBA games have they made, and how many are worth actually buying?

Cormaster628 wrote:Problem is most cell phone games are better than over half of the Wii library. Support is just not there

Again you say support. What do you mean by that? Are you blaming them for lack of third-party support? Because Nintendo, nor Sony, nor Microsoft can tell third-party developers what to do.

My only issue with nintendo is that there are no RPGs on the wii. The DS gets them all But then again it is the "causal" platform.

There are RPGs on the Wii, like Tales of Symphonia for example, not to mention Dragon Quest 10 and the next Crystal Chronicles coming out soon.

And even classics like Seiken Densetsu and Megaten if you're morally opposed to ROMs.

Tekka wrote:There are RPGs on the Wii, like Tales of Symphonia for example, not to mention Dragon Quest 10 and the next Crystal Chronicles coming out soon.

And even classics like Seiken Densetsu and Megaten if you're morally opposed to ROMs.

And Fire Emblem, which is turn-based-strategy with heavy RPG elements.