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Official Movie Reviews Thread (Spoilers!)

Discuss anything and everything related to the Transformers Live Action Films franchise, which are directed by Michael Bay. Join us to discuss the movies and stuff up to date with news for the 2017 release of Transformers 5. Check out our Live Action Film section here.

Postby Versa » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:29 am

tile_mcgillus wrote:The number of weird racist things in this movie:
1. Indian stereotype *edited*phone*edited* operator
2. Bernie Mac threatening physical violence against his "classy" Momma.
3. The Black hacker living with his momma and being lazy playing video games. Then the guys running from the cops.
4. "Iranian scientists are too stupid to figure this out..."
5. Every single stereotypical thing that came out of Jazz's mouth.
6. "WE DONT SPEAK SPANISH! STOP IT!"

I am not just searching these things out here. I know Tyrese's character is strong and a warrior and the smartest hacker in the world is Anthony Anderson. However, AA never says anything intelligent and just eats donuts and cries.


I guess we'll find out in the sequel. :)

I must also add that Barricade's voice was badass and I thought his character was pretty creepy in my opinion. The way he approached Sam and just started talking to him in a threatening would have made me piss myself if I was in that situation.

Also, I'm a huge 'cons fan and I'm not going to forget this film. I thought it was wonderful! I'm willing to bet in part 2 they have a major strike against the autobots and hit them hard and then in part 3 it will be like Return of the Jedi... only without the Ewoks, hehe jk....
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Postby God Magnus » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:06 am

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Versa wrote:Also, I'm a huge 'cons fan and I'm not going to forget this film. I thought it was wonderful! I'm willing to bet in part 2 they have a major strike against the autobots and hit them hard and then in part 3 it will be like Return of the Jedi... only without the Ewoks, hehe jk....


The Ewoks were already in this movie except they didn't have fur and they were called "humans".
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Postby Saber Prime » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:22 am

I'm giving 2 reviews at the same time, the spoiler free version first then the second version with spoilers. Warning are being placed all though the first review, this is your first warning but you can still read ahead for now, I'll tell you when to stop.

The movie was exactly what I thought it would be right from the verry first time I saw the leaked concept art. Alot of the spoiler review is stuff I've been saying from the start and for thous who haven't seen it, this is your second warning but it's still safe to keep reading for now. And in case you missed it I never said I was definatly going to hate it, I said it could go either way but was most likly going to hate it.

As a Transformers film I did hate it, reasons explained in the Spoiler review (third warning keep reading) and has little to do with the designs and more to do with character development. :BOT: :CON: :CON: :CON: :CON:

When I was judging the overall movie itself I actully had to pretend it WASN'T Transformers going back to my and alot of other people's opinions that it would be better if it just had a different name. So if it wasn't Transformers then this is my overall score. :BOT: :BOT: :BOT: :CON: :CON:

Now for you who haven't seen the movie yet this is now your FINAL warning so if you haven't stoped reading this allready you better stop reading now because everything after this paragraph is all spoilers and I don't wanna hear any complaints about not getting any warning because I gave 4 warnings.

OK If you seen my topic Star Rateing System You know I really really REALLY hate Armada...

Whell this movie is still alot better than that. :lol:

This movie has a little bit of everything. Comedy, drama, comendy, action, comedy, romance, comedy, sci-fi, and comedy... (I did mention comedy right?)

So I'm going to break this into its different parts.

Sci-fi, they're giant alien robots and there's a top secret goverment agency that doesn't exsist called Sector 7, doesn't get much more Sci-Fi than that.

Romance, the relationship that built up between Sam and Carly (Carly is easier to spell but you know who I mean. Tongue) and the man in the army who hasn't even met his baby daughter. (He allso ends up getting a ride home from Ironhide)

Action, OK here's where the movie just totally fails me. See I knew from the start these designs were crap. Not only are they ugly and look like scrap metal they allso completly ruin the action.

The Transformations as was described in the leaked script and as I allways knew they would be were morphs. The battle sceens were just as bad.

You're all aware of the preview that shows Bonecrusher plowing into Optimus I'm sure. Well as soon as he makes contact and they're fighting you can't tell what the hell is going on. There's no telling Optimus Prime's head from Bonecrusher's @$$.

I got 2 words to describe these fight sceens between the Transformers, TRASH COMPACTOR!

Now there are a few sceens with the humans that were really good like Starscream attacking a group of real F-22's (his own vehicle mode) and the pilots getting verry confused on what jet was just a robot a sec. ago. (I really liked that sceen)

The comedy, this was the best thing about the movie, it's funny as all hell. Not Bernie Mac funny because I can't understand a word that guy says and when I do understand him he says something completly stupid anyway.

Anyway back to the funny stuff, yeah this movie is a laugh riot. Frenzy is freaking insane I just could not stop laughing any time that little syco was on screen.

Now as a Transformers movie, I'm still under the opinion that if they called it something else it would have been a WHOLE lot better because it definatly wasn't Transformers. Maybe Scrap Metal would be a more appropriate title.

The reason this is not a Transformers movie is because the human story lines and characters vastly outnumber the Transformers and draw the focus away from them. Most of the Transformers were not even seen untill the finnal 1/4 of the movie.

I liked the fact they used a small cast because it gave them a better oppertunity to actully give screen time to all their characters, time they didn't use. Jazz for one gets viciously riped apart by Megatron, brutally murdered, spark riped out and everything. However in the short time he had on screen I got to know NOTHING about the character and didn't even care that he died. Jazz was the only one that got killed but if any of them had died I would not have cared because they gave no backround or screen time to any of them, including Optimus Prime.

Bumblebee was the only Autobot that was there for the entire movie and he was the only character that I actully cared weather he lived or died.

They had a whole heap of time to introduce all these characters and give them personailtys so you might actully care about them and they didn't use it. All of the character development was given to Bumblebee and the humans everyone else got screwed.

Oh and guess everyone who said "Wait till the movie actully comes out" needs to start appoligising to all the people who claimed it matched the leaked script. There were a few minior changes here and there, some good, some bad, and some that didn't matter either way but the overall gist of it was exactly the same. And I'm one of the ones who's giving appoligies. I read the leaked script and thought for sure the movie would be different, I was wrong. Even something Roberto Orchi himself told me was removed from the script was in fact still in the movie. The robots can self heal, or at least the Decepticons can.

So to everyone who saw a glimmer of hope, you've all been lied to, several times. I for one will never see another Micheal Bay or Roberto Orchi film again. In fact everyone in this movie who was involved in the designs and wrighting that script can all forget me ever watching one of their films again. The actors on the other hand, they all did a fantastic job (except Bernie Mac, I still don't like him) and I don't blame them for anything that was wrong with this movie.

If you go into this movie, go into exspecting to see exactly what you thought it was going to be way back when the first designs were leaked, don't go in exspecting anything to be different because that'll just ruin everything for you. If you go in exspecting crap you might actully get some enjoyment out of the comedy in the movie. If you go in exspecting something spectacular you'll be in for a big dissapointment.

Oh yes and Sam still kills Megatron, never in a million years should a human ever be able to kill a Transformer. And Optimus Prime says "Sorry brother" to Megatron's dead body afterwards.

They didn't really do anything to open up the movie for a sequill and I hope one never gets made. Cybertron was said to be destroyed and the Allspark was destroyed with Megatron making it impossible to recreate Cybertron so the remaining 4 Autobots stay on Earth. Some Decepticons survive too and undoubtedly Starscream is now their leader but without Megatron what's the point in a sequill?

If they DO make a sequill I'm willing to bet that Megatron regenerates and because the pure energy of the Allspark was jamed into his Spark, that's what turns him into Galvatron.

The Allspark BTW when they first showed it was as big as... oh Blackout in robot mode and then "Transforms" into a smaller cube. There's another lie for you, no mass shifting my ass.

Yeah everything you've ever been told about this movie by Micheal Bay and his crew is offically a lie. Even the part about them looking better once you saw them moving is a lie. I actully LIKED Optimus Prime when I first saw him standing still, seeing him move made him join the others in my "they look like something that came out of a trash compactor" opinion. Yeah seeing them move is definatly worse than seeing them standing still.

Leaving my feelings about Bay aside I still give this movie Autobot Autobot Autobot Decepticon Decepticon However I would not even rank it amoung any other incarnation of Transformers simply because they barely even showed any of the Transformers. Not because of the designs but because most of the story revolved around the humans, too much humans, not enough Transformers.

You remember the first episode of Transformers Armada where the ONLY Transformers it shows are the 3 Mini-cons and them Optimus and Megatron at the verry end? Well the amount of screen time they gave the Transformers in this movie was alot like that, not nearly as bad but can't think of anything better to compair it with.

Anyway that rating I gave it, I judged the movie as if it weren't Transformers at all, if I juged it as if it were Transformers it would Autobot Decepticon Decepticon Decepticon Decepticon

So there you go, it's alot better if you pretend it's something else.
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Postby roguecds » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:04 am

schudini wrote:
Burn wrote:
Stalinglad wrote:
schudini wrote:Transformers can be frozen + space is extremely cold = How does Starscream "fly" off into space?


That's what I wondered. Also, how is it they can withstand massive heat when the enter the Earth's atmosphere and survive crashing into the Earth, yet are damaged so easily by rockets?


Megatron was frozen because he was damaged during entry (that'll teach him for not using a protoform like everyone else ...)

As I understand it from XMEN as you enter through the Earths atmoshpere, from the freezing of space; the atoms. is quite hot and you're traveling at ('warp')high speed
to a TF/ or alien; as you pass through it you're continuing to gain speed while getting hotter; as he Megatron crashed into a Glacier melting it deep inside and freezing himself simultaneously :-?
To the other point of TF being frozen at all, I think they can. I remember reading and seeing something like this twice. In one GN, I forget which one, Shockwave has some 'renegade' non-cybertrionians iced w/ either nitrogen or napom; like the humans were on earth to TFs. That also happened on an episode of G1, cool 8) wheeljack used it in some invention, that maybe have been the Immobilzer. (might wanna check me on that one :P :???:
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Postby roguecds » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:51 am

Airtigatron wrote:Yea, a second view probably would be good and Id like it more. Though it seems the thing thats getting the most talk outta this movie is the JJ Abrams movie preview at the beginning and boy is that preview is being yanked off youtube fast. Sure are keeping hush hush on that thing.

Some people in the theater thought it was part of Transformers when it started lol
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I saw it two nights ago, and I am a total G1 fan, collect a few toys and GNovels.
I thoroughly Enjoyed this film. It was more gritty than Spiderman but like it in that it was not a Bastardized version of the TF. We all knew the Designs were completely Not the Same so I got over that. Once you did, if you did you just tried to get into the film as is. As is its very Likable.

If you can't like Peter Cullen running around bashing Cons' and Megs whipping out an arm cannon then I just plain ole feel sorry for you buddy. . . ;;)

I personally liked all the Voices, yes Jazz dies but the real question is Who's Next in the Sequel??? RC, Magnus, Hot Rod, Hound? My guess would definitely be RC since her toy is out and Megan's ride got toasted. But who says 2 more Autobots can come along for the ride? :grin:

A) DEFINITELY GOING BACK 2 C THE MOVIE AGAIN
B) DEFINITELY GOING 2 BUY THIS FILM DVD
C) OVERALL I GIVE IT A B+I gave an A+ to V for Vendetta;
I liked the Humor mostly, though a bit Juvenile in some spots since I'm 30. At first 'read' I thought the idea of B-Bee not being able to talk would be silly; but he reminded me of Reckgar w/ his ability to communicate w/ his radio.

The Action was Fantastic... Period.

The Actors were bascially all pretty good, especially Shia and the Soldiers, and the computer hackers. Hummn Megan Fox, well I'm not a guy so she didn't factor in for me? ;;) Let's just say she got her lines off, I don't think we'll ever be seeing anyone named "Carly" in the serials. I was hoping she'd have a more 'Vicky Vale' type persona, SHE DON'T. :P

Pretty much my only "Issue" and I'm really nit-picking here, its the "characterization" and time the Robots got to speak several of them. I'm sure that will change in future films. Theres only so much you could fit into this setup movie. Next time Megs/Cons need almost equal time w/ the Bots, less segagratad Human/Robot time. The next film the Robots/Humans need More Integrated time like on the show.

All in All, THAT MOVIE ROCKS. . .ROCKS LIKE PRINCE AT A HOUSE PARTY 8)
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Postby roguecds » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:06 am

Airtigatron wrote:Yea, a second view probably would be good and Id like it more. Though it seems the thing thats getting the most talk outta this movie is the JJ Abrams movie preview at the beginning and boy is that preview is being yanked off youtube fast. Sure are keeping hush hush on that thing.

Some people in the theater thought it was part of Transformers when it started lol
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I saw it two nights ago, and I am a total G1 fan, collect a few toys and GNovels.
I thoroughly Enjoyed this film. It was more gritty than Spiderman but like it in that it was not a Bastardized version of the TF. We all knew the Designs were completely Not the Same so I got over that. Once you did, if you did you just tried to get into the film as is. As is its very Likable.

If you can't like Peter Cullen running around bashing Cons' and Megs whipping out an arm cannon then I just plain ole feel sorry for you buddy. . . ;;)

I personally liked all the Voices, yes Jazz dies but the real question is Who's Next in the Sequel??? RC, Magnus, Hot Rod, Hound? My guess would definitely be RC since her toy is out and Megan's ride got toasted. But who says 2 more Autobots can come along for the ride? :grin:

A) DEFINITELY GOING BACK 2 C THE MOVIE AGAIN
B) DEFINITELY GOING 2 BUY THIS FILM DVD
C) OVERALL I GIVE IT A B+I gave an A+ to V for Vendetta;
I liked the Humor mostly, though a bit Juvenile in some spots since I'm 30. At first 'read' I thought the idea of B-Bee not being able to talk would be silly; but he reminded me of Reckgar w/ his ability to communicate w/ his radio.

The Action was Fantastic... Period.

The Actors were bascially all pretty good, especially Shia and the Soldiers, and the computer hackers. Hummn Megan Fox, well I'm not a guy so she didn't factor in for me? ;;) Let's just say she got her lines off, I don't think we'll ever be seeing anyone named "Carly" in the serials. I was hoping she'd have a more 'Vicky Vale' type persona, SHE DON'T. :P

Pretty much my only "Issue" and I'm really nit-picking here, its the "characterization" and time the Robots got to speak several of them. I'm sure that will change in future films. Theres only so much you could fit into this setup movie. Next time Megs/Cons need almost equal time w/ the Bots, less segagratad Human/Robot time. The next film the Robots/Humans need More Integrated time like on the show.

All in All, THAT MOVIE ROCKS. . .ROCKS LIKE PRINCE AT A HOUSE PARTY 8)
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Postby D-340 » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:14 am

tile_mcgillus wrote:The number of weird racist things in this movie:
1. Indian stereotype *edited*phone*edited* operator
2. Bernie Mac threatening physical violence against his "classy" Momma.
3. The Black hacker living with his momma and being lazy playing video games. Then the guys running from the cops.
4. "Iranian scientists are too stupid to figure this out..."
5. Every single stereotypical thing that came out of Jazz's mouth.
6. "WE DONT SPEAK SPANISH! STOP IT!"

I am not just searching these things out here. I know Tyrese's character is strong and a warrior and the smartest hacker in the world is Anthony Anderson. However, AA never says anything intelligent and just eats donuts and cries.


I think you're reading too much into this. If you truely believe this, then by your account, Star Wars is racist. Star Trek is racist. Hell, even Spaceballs would be racist. Come on, it's ok to not like the movie, but to see things and call them racist is insane. Step back, and ease up a bit. Hate the flick all you want, but don't accuse it of being something it isn't.
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Postby Saber Prime » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:14 am

*Looks at D-340's sig image* Where did you find that old photo of my batched refit job? How embarrasing. :oops:

This is a joke BTW I'm refering to simularitys in Movie Prime and Saber Prime.
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Postby tile_mcgillus » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:40 am

D-340 wrote:
tile_mcgillus wrote:The number of weird racist things in this movie:
1. Indian stereotype *edited*phone*edited* operator
2. Bernie Mac threatening physical violence against his "classy" Momma.
3. The Black hacker living with his momma and being lazy playing video games. Then the guys running from the cops.
4. "Iranian scientists are too stupid to figure this out..."
5. Every single stereotypical thing that came out of Jazz's mouth.
6. "WE DONT SPEAK SPANISH! STOP IT!"

I am not just searching these things out here. I know Tyrese's character is strong and a warrior and the smartest hacker in the world is Anthony Anderson. However, AA never says anything intelligent and just eats donuts and cries.


I think you're reading too much into this. If you truely believe this, then by your account, Star Wars is racist. Star Trek is racist. Hell, even Spaceballs would be racist. Come on, it's ok to not like the movie, but to see things and call them racist is insane. Step back, and ease up a bit. Hate the flick all you want, but don't accuse it of being something it isn't.


I understand what you are saying. I was just pointing out those things together. I am not calling anyone racist but just noticing the weird things that play into stereotypes. It was interesting that all of those things appeared in the same movie. I probably should have used the word stereotypical.
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Postby Saber Prime » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:46 am

Oh I'm going to say one more thing, you might hate me for it but even though the humans played such a major role in Transformers it wasn't that bad.

If you compair them to any cartoon humans they're about 25% more helpfull, 25% more realistic (personality wise), and 50% less annoiying. (Better make it 100% for the Armada Kids.)
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Postby M-ONE » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:20 pm

I just saw the movie and to make it short...it was OK. In the beginning I had sentimental cool feelings and a smile on my face. The power and might was awesome. However...

I was a little disapointed about the story and especially the ending. It was a little B:isch if you know what I mean. Their they are lying on Bumblebee making out while the other autobots watch. Hmmm...It also felt like that they didn't have much time left for the ending.

If I recall the autobots did crash in a spaceship that became their headquarters, I missed that. I wasn't totaly satisfied with Prime's and Megatron's look. Starscream looked like a nerd. I have always loved Jazz and I am glad he was in the movie. Ironhide was sooo cool...I just loved him.

Another thing that was B:isch is that the autobots got their information from the internet and...Ebay. I know I know...they wanted to make the movie in present time.

If they make a second movie, I think that Starscream will revive Megatron and maybe some of the others. I don't remember that he died, or did he?
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Postby M-ONE » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:39 pm

Saber Prime wrote:Action, OK here's where the movie just totally fails me. See I knew from the start these designs were crap. Not only are they ugly and look like scrap metal they allso completly ruin the action.

The Transformations as was described in the leaked script and as I allways knew they would be were morphs. The battle sceens were just as bad.

You're all aware of the preview that shows Bonecrusher plowing into Optimus I'm sure. Well as soon as he makes contact and they're fighting you can't tell what the hell is going on. There's no telling Optimus Prime's head from Bonecrusher's @$$.

I got 2 words to describe these fight sceens between the Transformers, TRASH COMPACTOR!

Now there are a few sceens with the humans that were really good like Starscream attacking a group of real F-22's (his own vehicle mode) and the pilots getting verry confused on what jet was just a robot a sec. ago. (I really liked that sceen)

The comedy, this was the best thing about the movie, it's funny as all hell. Not Bernie Mac funny because I can't understand a word that guy says and when I do understand him he says something completly stupid anyway.

Anyway back to the funny stuff, yeah this movie is a laugh riot. Frenzy is freaking insane I just could not stop laughing any time that little syco was on screen.

Now as a Transformers movie, I'm still under the opinion that if they called it something else it would have been a WHOLE lot better because it definatly wasn't Transformers. Maybe Scrap Metal would be a more appropriate title.

The reason this is not a Transformers movie is because the human story lines and characters vastly outnumber the Transformers and draw the focus away from them. Most of the Transformers were not even seen untill the finnal 1/4 of the movie.

I liked the fact they used a small cast because it gave them a better oppertunity to actully give screen time to all their characters, time they didn't use. Jazz for one gets viciously riped apart by Megatron, brutally murdered, spark riped out and everything. However in the short time he had on screen I got to know NOTHING about the character and didn't even care that he died. Jazz was the only one that got killed but if any of them had died I would not have cared because they gave no backround or screen time to any of them, including Optimus Prime.

Bumblebee was the only Autobot that was there for the entire movie and he was the only character that I actully cared weather he lived or died.

They had a whole heap of time to introduce all these characters and give them personailtys so you might actully care about them and they didn't use it. All of the character development was given to Bumblebee and the humans everyone else got screwed.

Oh and guess everyone who said "Wait till the movie actully comes out" needs to start appoligising to all the people who claimed it matched the leaked script. There were a few minior changes here and there, some good, some bad, and some that didn't matter either way but the overall gist of it was exactly the same. And I'm one of the ones who's giving appoligies. I read the leaked script and thought for sure the movie would be different, I was wrong. Even something Roberto Orchi himself told me was removed from the script was in fact still in the movie. The robots can self heal, or at least the Decepticons can.

So to everyone who saw a glimmer of hope, you've all been lied to, several times. I for one will never see another Micheal Bay or Roberto Orchi film again. In fact everyone in this movie who was involved in the designs and wrighting that script can all forget me ever watching one of their films again. The actors on the other hand, they all did a fantastic job (except Bernie Mac, I still don't like him) and I don't blame them for anything that was wrong with this movie.

If you go into this movie, go into exspecting to see exactly what you thought it was going to be way back when the first designs were leaked, don't go in exspecting anything to be different because that'll just ruin everything for you. If you go in exspecting crap you might actully get some enjoyment out of the comedy in the movie. If you go in exspecting something spectacular you'll be in for a big dissapointment.

Oh yes and Sam still kills Megatron, never in a million years should a human ever be able to kill a Transformer. And Optimus Prime says "Sorry brother" to Megatron's dead body afterwards.

They didn't really do anything to open up the movie for a sequill and I hope one never gets made. Cybertron was said to be destroyed and the Allspark was destroyed with Megatron making it impossible to recreate Cybertron so the remaining 4 Autobots stay on Earth. Some Decepticons survive too and undoubtedly Starscream is now their leader but without Megatron what's the point in a sequill?

If they DO make a sequill I'm willing to bet that Megatron regenerates and because the pure energy of the Allspark was jamed into his Spark, that's what turns him into Galvatron.

The Allspark BTW when they first showed it was as big as... oh Blackout in robot mode and then "Transforms" into a smaller cube. There's another lie for you, no mass shifting my ass.

Yeah everything you've ever been told about this movie by Micheal Bay and his crew is offically a lie. Even the part about them looking better once you saw them moving is a lie. I actully LIKED Optimus Prime when I first saw him standing still, seeing him move made him join the others in my "they look like something that came out of a trash compactor" opinion. Yeah seeing them move is definatly worse than seeing them standing still.

Leaving my feelings about Bay aside I still give this movie Autobot Autobot Autobot Decepticon Decepticon However I would not even rank it amoung any other incarnation of Transformers simply because they barely even showed any of the Transformers. Not because of the designs but because most of the story revolved around the humans, too much humans, not enough Transformers.

You remember the first episode of Transformers Armada where the ONLY Transformers it shows are the 3 Mini-cons and them Optimus and Megatron at the verry end? Well the amount of screen time they gave the Transformers in this movie was alot like that, not nearly as bad but can't think of anything better to compair it with.

Anyway that rating I gave it, I judged the movie as if it weren't Transformers at all, if I juged it as if it were Transformers it would Autobot Decepticon Decepticon Decepticon Decepticon

So there you go, it's alot better if you pretend it's something else.


Just want to say that I agree with many things that you say.
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Postby Pauliepaul81 » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:50 pm

BING-F*CKIN'-O! YES!

BTW...I have a question for everyone here...

In terms of depth, and how "stupid" this film is...

Has anyone actually read the Dreamwave comics? Even though they were canceled, I tried to read them all and I just couldn't. I stopped. Why? Because it was exasperating, and downtrodden. If that's the kind of depth you want in these movies, then count me out. I want something that will entertain and have some heft to it, but please nothing like Dreamwave. It was just one unending battle (convoluted I might add) after another. It got ridiculous and boring and I couldn't take it anymore.

2.5 hours of that on the big screen? No thanks.

Depth is fine, Dreamwave (or I should say ocean depth) is too much. Don't get so into it that we see all the nuts and bolts because you not only take away the wow factor, but you see there's really nothing exciting at the core, just some plain old nuts and bolts.


I agree, the Dreamwave comics (and most of the 'G1' mainline IDW series) seem concoluted and just boring. At least I stopped reading them, and I never imagined I'd have such an apathetic attitude towards a TF comic.

With depth I mean character development. Flesh the characters out a little, show their virtues as well as their flaws and their relationships with one another. If the characters 'act' in a believable way or in a way that makes the audience attach to them emotionally, it doesn't really matter that much if the plot is a bit simple or clichéd.

And keeping into account your point, I think Empire had depth without sacrificing the 'wow' factor, or sense of wonder.
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Postby D-340 » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:56 pm

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I understand what you are saying. I was just pointing out those things together. I am not calling anyone racist but just noticing the weird things that play into stereotypes. It was interesting that all of those things appeared in the same movie. I probably should have used the word stereotypical.


Stereotypical, most definately. But then again, most films these days are. I wasn't jumpin' on ya about not liking the film, either. I posted my review, I'm done defending my opinion. But people saying movies are racist flies all over me. It kinda cheapens the whole experience, you know? It gets thrown around way to much lately. But it's all good, I get what you mean now.
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Postby Heavy B » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:00 pm

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movie was amazing i just got back from it again. does anyone know where to find a photo of bumble bee pissing on the sector seven agent (tried google). cous i think i found my new signiture
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Postby Jordi S3 » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:02 pm

Deviating a little bit the theme, I liked their weapons, only the conventional ones didn't matched with the idea of "superadvanced" alien robots..., but BTW..., liked Autobots' warlike. :D
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Postby Master_Prime » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:48 pm

Hey guys, what all happened once the movie ended and the credits started going. I saw Sam's parents talking and such, what did I miss. I can't wait til next I go, please tell! Thanks!
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Postby Hanch Prime » Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:04 pm

unfortunately in most movies you can only really flesh out a few characters. Bumblebee has a nice progression, I hated the cartoon version he was just a pussy. This bumblebee is actually cool. Sam is developed really well. Then you have the supporting characters that are some what developed like Prime and Megan Fox. also too I thought Sam's parents (especially Mom) were hilarious. But the theme of the movie is a boy and his car and Sam and Bumblebee are the main characters.

There was not enough time to develop every character, In a series you can develop every character over a course of a few episodes and by concentrating on a certain character in a particular episode. I think the movie did a good job of developing the key characters. It's a very entertaining movie and was allot of fun. Thats the way it should be. Now that it's made 122 million already and its not even into its first weekend, we know we will get sequels so the characters can progress more.
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Postby prowl 4 mvp » Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:47 pm

I'm a die-hard G1 fan who was super-skeptical about seeing the movie especially given the hype.
But, I enjoyed it far more than I thought I would. .
To all those finding fault with re-appearing pants, lack of car papers at the dealership or frozen robots....YOU'RE SEEING A MOVIE ABOUT GIANT TRANSFORMING ROBOTS.
It's called 'suspension of disbelief'. Just enjoy the movie. :D
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Postby Autobot032 » Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:11 am

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Well I just got back from a second viewing and I must correct myself:

1.) Lennox holding his baby *IS* in there, I was incorrect.

2.) THE MOVIE FRIGGIN' ROCKS EVEN HARDER THE SECOND TIME AROUND! OMG IT HURTS SO GOOD!

A-friggin'-plus!

I missed a lot the first time, and I'm so glad I went back for a repeat.

The fights were far more coherent and actually made sense.

Sam's parents do know about the Autobots (I forgot they were in the Sector 7 vehicles when Prime and crew kicked some ass.)

Barricade is not on the ship at the end, so he's still kickin' somewhere.

Starscream and Brawl both had more screen time than I initially thought, in fact, they both kicked some ass.

The problem is, it's such a sensory overload, you miss so much the first time.

The movie *DOES* do better under repeat viewings. And this time, when I saw Prime and his crew for the first time and he told Sam he was Earth's only hope, I admit it...I got choked up.

And it made me realize...this movie is about the humanity, in the people and in the Autobots.

You know what else makes this movie such a great sell? Kids want to be the hero, they've always wanted to save the day, and this movie allows them to do so. A teenage boy is the hero and does save the day, a positive role model for the kids, along with Optimus Prime to back him up.

If you haven't seen this movie, go do it now.
If you have and still aren't convinced, go see it again.
If you still don't like it, I'm so terribly sorry, because you're missing out on one of the best cinematic experiences of all time.

This movie f*cking rocks. Go see it.

A+ and a half damnit!
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Postby prowl 4 mvp » Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:39 am

theprime8604 wrote:one thing that really sucked if u didnt see the movie yet why did jazz have to die that really sucked..


I was sad too, but then noticed the 'equity' in his death...?

1986 Movie:
- Ironhide, Ratchet and Prime die
- Jazz and Bumblebee are fine

2007 Movie
- Ironhide, Ratchet and Prime are fine
- Jazz dies, Bumblebee gets his legs blown off

So everyone's favourite lives in at least one movie! :D
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Postby Wolfguard » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:08 pm

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Yeah, former sceptic, turned neutral, turned !happy fan!

Finally saw it last night on a "first date" with a cool chick! The girl I was with had already seen it, and after dinner/realizing what a Transformers fan I am, made the offer to see it with me, despite the fact she doesn't like to do movies on a fist date. OMG, that's one of the coolest things a chick has ever done for me!

The movie was great - I absolutely loved it! Action scenes were cool, the Autobot characters were fleshed out and had believable personalities, Barricade got the spotlight and some lines, and Prime was effin' PRIME. All this awesomeness, plus the girl and her offer to see it with me made it one of the best experiences and first dates EVER.


Oh yeah, and I got myself a second date to boot.


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Postby XeroSyphon » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:47 pm

I just got back from seeing it.

Man I loved it. I'm still giddy.
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Postby Sentinel Pax » Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:49 pm

Just got back from the movie, and all I can say is "Hell yeah". Although I was a bit late, and only caught the very tail end of Prime's narration at the beginning, and left before watching Starscream fly into space because I made the mistake of drinking all of my Dr. Pepper, this movie was awesome. Ironhide was great, but, surprisingly, Ratchet was my favorite, next to Prime. Jazz wasn't really annoying to me, he was a "stylish" bot who knew how to fight, but I really do wish his death had been better, or that they had saved him. 'Bee and Prime were the only ones with much development, and there were some Prime lines that didn't feel quite right, but overall, Cullen was great. I loved hearing him. Bumblebee peeing on Turturro was a bit much, but his character deserved it for being so ridiculous. I was disappointed that Sector Seven turned out to be such a farce, because they had awesome potential.

The Decepticons were cool, Barricade was awesome, although I would have loved Keith David, the voice was great. Frenzy was really a lot better than I was expecting, he looked awesome when he was slinking around. He was hard for me to understand at times, but I liked him, overall. Blackout was so great. I had a totally huge smile on when he showed up and went apeshit on the base. Bonecrusher, Starscream, and "Devastator" were really lacking. I loved Starscream's voice and short exchange with Megs, but he just wasn't there enough. Bonecrusher went down like a pansy, and I wish he had done more. "Devastator", aka Brawl, was kickass. I also wish he had been in more, and I really wish they had fixed the subtitle error, because I could see that being confusing for some. Hugo Weaving as Megatron was great, had hints of Kaye and Welker mixed in for effect, and he was awesome. I can't wait for the sequel, because there's no way Megatron dies that easily.

The humans, with the exception of Turturro, were great. I just thought Simmons could have been a lot more than a gag, although I laughed at his Sector Seven undershirt, I was sincerely disappointed by his character. His best moments were fighting Frenzy and when he was in the car with Sam and Mikaela. Megan Fox was not only smoking hot, but she did a great job. The bit about her juvie record was something I didn't see coming, and it added a lot to her character. All in all, this is a total Michael Bay movie, and in the tradition of Armageddon, I loved it, and can't wait for the sequel.
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Postby Mechanurgist » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:55 pm

I went in to see the movie with low expectations, and Michael Bay managed to limbo underneath even those. What is wrong with this man? Half the movie is a mixture of terrible teen comedy and melodrama, there are three badly-intersected plotlines, my beloved transformers are turned into bad jokes tip-toeing around a rose garden like some demented ninjas in a Peter Sellers comedy, and there are about 15 too many human characters.

And the action; don't get me started. How could Bay screw this up so badly? It's supposed to be his specialty! Most of the time you can't even tell which autobot or decepticon is flying (or rolling, for some stupid reason) across the screen. The military scenes are decent but not much better than what you'd see in a military documentary. Most of the autobots, and many of the decepticons, are indistinguishable in their robot forms, so you never know if it was Jazz or Barricade who just got a missile to the face. Since I couldn't tell who was doing what to whom, I stopped caring. It all became a blur of moving machinery and random explosions. Is Bay the Jackson Pollock of action movies?

Apart from Bumblebee, Optimus and Frenzy most of the transformers have as much personality as a fruit stand. They might as well be drones. The original series, within the first 20 minutes, managed to convey more characterization than this entire 2 1/2 hour Bay epic. The focus on the NSA bimbo is even worse; she gets more air time than any of the robots! The editing in the whole movie is disjointed, uneven and one of the worst post-production jobs I've ever seen. Just when some of the action scenes start to get good we cut to another godawful domestic scene.

The Onion is quite right; Bay turned what should have been a great action movie into a teen comedy commercial.

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