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Burn wrote:Stalinglad wrote:schudini wrote:Transformers can be frozen + space is extremely cold = How does Starscream "fly" off into space?
That's what I wondered. Also, how is it they can withstand massive heat when the enter the Earth's atmosphere and survive crashing into the Earth, yet are damaged so easily by rockets?
Megatron was frozen because he was damaged during entry (that'll teach him for not using a protoform like everyone else ...)
Gatkowski wrote:People told me to reserve judgement until I see the whole movie. So now, after seeing the easly most hyped blockbuster of the summer, I'd like to put three years of enthusiasm and anticipation into the following statement:
FAILED.
Utterly and miserably failed. This movie is simply one of the worst and most retarded flicks I've seen so far. If not THE worst. Yeah, it has great visual effects. So what? Anything that has ILM written on it should look great. It's a requirement. And even if it has great visual effects, that's all there is to it. It's like a bubblegum. You chew it for some time, pop it a few times, but in the end, you just spit it out once the flavor's gone...after about 10 minutes.
Onto more concrete things.
Plot: I understand that it was meant to be thin. Still, it's more close to nonexistant than thin. I still can't understand why something with 22+ years of background has been degenerated into this...mess. Mindless action and shoot 'em up, mixed with disturbingly superficial drama and romance, with a good chunk of vulgar and idiotic humor added. After seeing the trailers and reading the info available on the movie, I really didn't expect much. But my expectations still seemed to be too high.
Characters:
Sam: Simply a jerk. There are differences between being a clumsy fellow who still has a heart of gold and an idiotic nerd trying to look cool. Unfortunately, he falls into the latter.
Mikaela: Her only role is sex appeal, that's obvious. Too bad a movie based on one of the most commonly known sci-fi universes uses that as seller. And what does some chick has to do with a film about Transformers?
Witwicky parents: Empty cans as characters. Aren't even worth taking notice of.
Soldier dudes: Guess they were usable. They went and fired their guns.
Government dudes: The head guy who arrested Sam and Mik was the worst. If he was supposed to be the main comedy character...well, he failed. The others were okay, I guess.
Optimus Prime: The only one who could be called a "character" in the whole 144 minutes of the film. Peter Cullen did give it his all. Unfortunately, he was given too many forced and superficial lines, including his all-time motto and the others that won the web poll. But still, he did an amazing job impersonating the legendary Autobot leader.
Bumblebee: Well, he was in the film. He was more like Johnny 5 than a Transformer. Somehow, I couldn't grasp the emotional content between him and the two humans he was supposed to protect. Perhaps because in one scene he was acting like a jerk and "peed" on an S7 guy, the other, he was put there for dramatic effect (again, very superficial), just because. I couldn't really take him seriously.
Ironhide: He was for the better. Had a big gun, used it accordingly. Didn't have much screen time, but he did good in that little.
Jazz: He had everything, except style. A loudmouth jackass, who thinks he looks cool, but doesn't. Kinda liked it when Megs ripped him apart.
Ratchet: Been there, seen him. He wasn't showed enough to form any considerable opinion on.
Megatron: A plain wild beast. Not exactly the Megatron I would envision, but for a wild beast, he was perfect. Hugo Weaving also did an excellent work on his voice. He was frightful, ruthless, and really powerful. Sadly, his death was lame as hell. The monstrosity that not even Optimus Prime could defeat was taken down by human weapons. Sam just had to toss the Allspark there to finish him off. Ridiculous.
Starscream: Was used little, his voice was kinda okay...not much else.
Blackout: He was a heavy. He was the only con I was fully satisfied with. Except his death, which was, again, lame. Humans shot him down, motorcycle slidin' style. And again, ridiculous.
Barricade: Looked cool. His voice was somehow wrong though. Like it was overacted. But for the complete two lines he said, it wasn't disturbing.
Bonecrusher: OMG, ROLLERSKATING TFZ!!! Looked a little silly, and got killed off before I realized who he was. Pity. Would have watched him demolishing a military storage facility instead of watching Sam trying to win Mik.
Brawl/Devastator: Wham, boom, pow. He did his share of fighting. Too bad the scenes were so blurry you could hardly make him out.
Frenzy: One of the most irritating characters ever. Stupid voice and even stupider drunken insect-like behavior.
Overall: As stated earlier, the flick is retarded and vulgar in a bad sense. Just a few things:
- Bumblebee peeing on a human. Yeah, right, just what an intelligent, protective representative of a sentient alien race would do.
- The only one who can decipher an alien code noone has ever seen before, and which has broken into the national defense system is a fat jackass, who does computers and video games for hobby. He also knows Freddy Kruger and Wolverine. Yeah, sure. The idea is so crappy that it isn't even funny.
- Very funny family life. "Were you masturbating?" Exactly the type of humorous question you like to hear asked from someone. Especially, when that someone is you, right?
- OMG, GIANT ROBOTZ ARE HIDIN' IN OUR BACKYARD!!!! That was one of the most forced and flat scenes of the movie. If the TFs had been some sort of plusshies, I might have found it cute...
- "Okay, folks let's go away from the dam, from where we could just blast Megs and all to pieces to a densely populated city where we can kill some dozens of civilians in the final fight!" Umm, no comment.
- "Run Fore... I mean, Sam, run!" Really, why couldn't he just jump on a motorcycle, or into a car? Or a bike?
And one thing I really did like (besides Cullen and Weaving's acting) was the scene in which Blackout assaulted the military base. That was one hell of a ride. In the middle of that scene I thought like "maybe I was wrong about this movie afterall". But right after that, the trash was dumped. It was like dating a Mikaela-like chick. Cool and all, and maybe you could enjoy it, if your really wanted to, but it's just empty. It's so different from truly loving someone.
Films like Star Wars and Star Trek created entire sci-fi universes that lasted for 30+ years. In comparison, this movie could have been done easier, since the 20+ years of background material was already done. But no, it had to be some cheap bubblegum crap, that will be forgotten in 2 or 3 years. Or after the last sequel is made.
All in all, this kind of Transformers Live Action should just proceed... on its way to oblivion.
Dark Zarak wrote:That so-called "hacker" guy from Good Burger was lame and useless and that whole subplot was useless anyway because the audience already knows what they're trying to figure out!!!!
took the words out of my mouthGod Magnus wrote:Dark Zarak wrote:That so-called "hacker" guy from Good Burger was lame and useless and that whole subplot was useless anyway because the audience already knows what they're trying to figure out!!!!
He wasn't in Good Burger. He was in Kangaroo Jack.
Dark Zarak wrote:Gatkowski wrote:People told me to reserve judgement until I see the whole movie. So now, after seeing the easly most hyped blockbuster of the summer, I'd like to put three years of enthusiasm and anticipation into the following statement:
FAILED.
Utterly and miserably failed. This movie is simply one of the worst and most retarded flicks I've seen so far. If not THE worst. Yeah, it has great visual effects. So what? Anything that has ILM written on it should look great. It's a requirement. And even if it has great visual effects, that's all there is to it. It's like a bubblegum. You chew it for some time, pop it a few times, but in the end, you just spit it out once the flavor's gone...after about 10 minutes.
Onto more concrete things.
Plot: I understand that it was meant to be thin. Still, it's more close to nonexistant than thin. I still can't understand why something with 22+ years of background has been degenerated into this...mess. Mindless action and shoot 'em up, mixed with disturbingly superficial drama and romance, with a good chunk of vulgar and idiotic humor added. After seeing the trailers and reading the info available on the movie, I really didn't expect much. But my expectations still seemed to be too high.
Characters:
Sam: Simply a jerk. There are differences between being a clumsy fellow who still has a heart of gold and an idiotic nerd trying to look cool. Unfortunately, he falls into the latter.
Mikaela: Her only role is sex appeal, that's obvious. Too bad a movie based on one of the most commonly known sci-fi universes uses that as seller. And what does some chick has to do with a film about Transformers?
Witwicky parents: Empty cans as characters. Aren't even worth taking notice of.
Soldier dudes: Guess they were usable. They went and fired their guns.
Government dudes: The head guy who arrested Sam and Mik was the worst. If he was supposed to be the main comedy character...well, he failed. The others were okay, I guess.
Optimus Prime: The only one who could be called a "character" in the whole 144 minutes of the film. Peter Cullen did give it his all. Unfortunately, he was given too many forced and superficial lines, including his all-time motto and the others that won the web poll. But still, he did an amazing job impersonating the legendary Autobot leader.
Bumblebee: Well, he was in the film. He was more like Johnny 5 than a Transformer. Somehow, I couldn't grasp the emotional content between him and the two humans he was supposed to protect. Perhaps because in one scene he was acting like a jerk and "peed" on an S7 guy, the other, he was put there for dramatic effect (again, very superficial), just because. I couldn't really take him seriously.
Ironhide: He was for the better. Had a big gun, used it accordingly. Didn't have much screen time, but he did good in that little.
Jazz: He had everything, except style. A loudmouth jackass, who thinks he looks cool, but doesn't. Kinda liked it when Megs ripped him apart.
Ratchet: Been there, seen him. He wasn't showed enough to form any considerable opinion on.
Megatron: A plain wild beast. Not exactly the Megatron I would envision, but for a wild beast, he was perfect. Hugo Weaving also did an excellent work on his voice. He was frightful, ruthless, and really powerful. Sadly, his death was lame as hell. The monstrosity that not even Optimus Prime could defeat was taken down by human weapons. Sam just had to toss the Allspark there to finish him off. Ridiculous.
Starscream: Was used little, his voice was kinda okay...not much else.
Blackout: He was a heavy. He was the only con I was fully satisfied with. Except his death, which was, again, lame. Humans shot him down, motorcycle slidin' style. And again, ridiculous.
Barricade: Looked cool. His voice was somehow wrong though. Like it was overacted. But for the complete two lines he said, it wasn't disturbing.
Bonecrusher: OMG, ROLLERSKATING TFZ!!! Looked a little silly, and got killed off before I realized who he was. Pity. Would have watched him demolishing a military storage facility instead of watching Sam trying to win Mik.
Brawl/Devastator: Wham, boom, pow. He did his share of fighting. Too bad the scenes were so blurry you could hardly make him out.
Frenzy: One of the most irritating characters ever. Stupid voice and even stupider drunken insect-like behavior.
Overall: As stated earlier, the flick is retarded and vulgar in a bad sense. Just a few things:
- Bumblebee peeing on a human. Yeah, right, just what an intelligent, protective representative of a sentient alien race would do.
- The only one who can decipher an alien code noone has ever seen before, and which has broken into the national defense system is a fat jackass, who does computers and video games for hobby. He also knows Freddy Kruger and Wolverine. Yeah, sure. The idea is so crappy that it isn't even funny.
- Very funny family life. "Were you masturbating?" Exactly the type of humorous question you like to hear asked from someone. Especially, when that someone is you, right?
- OMG, GIANT ROBOTZ ARE HIDIN' IN OUR BACKYARD!!!! That was one of the most forced and flat scenes of the movie. If the TFs had been some sort of plusshies, I might have found it cute...
- "Okay, folks let's go away from the dam, from where we could just blast Megs and all to pieces to a densely populated city where we can kill some dozens of civilians in the final fight!" Umm, no comment.
- "Run Fore... I mean, Sam, run!" Really, why couldn't he just jump on a motorcycle, or into a car? Or a bike?
And one thing I really did like (besides Cullen and Weaving's acting) was the scene in which Blackout assaulted the military base. That was one hell of a ride. In the middle of that scene I thought like "maybe I was wrong about this movie afterall". But right after that, the trash was dumped. It was like dating a Mikaela-like chick. Cool and all, and maybe you could enjoy it, if your really wanted to, but it's just empty. It's so different from truly loving someone.
Films like Star Wars and Star Trek created entire sci-fi universes that lasted for 30+ years. In comparison, this movie could have been done easier, since the 20+ years of background material was already done. But no, it had to be some cheap bubblegum crap, that will be forgotten in 2 or 3 years. Or after the last sequel is made.
All in all, this kind of Transformers Live Action should just proceed... on its way to oblivion.
The sad part is:
He's absolutely right.
That so-called "hacker" guy from Good Burger was lame and useless and that whole subplot was useless anyway because the audience already knows what they're trying to figure out!!!!
The humor was sophomoric and mean spirited.
Sam's home life was depressing.
Mikaela was pure slutty trash.
The movie was aimed literally at the lowest common denominator for the big bucks.
But to me, that didn't matter. I'll even accept that Good Burger ****, barely.
It was a great ride and I'm so glad I saw it. If I'd paid money I still would have been glad.
Pre-screenings from radio stations are the only way to see movies.
This most likely how my review will be summed up as well, alas I haven't even seen it yet. But reading this, it looks like all my fears have been realised in this movie.Gatkowski wrote:People told me to reserve judgement until I see the whole movie. So now, after seeing the easly most hyped blockbuster of the summer, I'd like to put three years of enthusiasm and anticipation into the following statement:
FAILED.
Spoon wrote:This most likely how my review will be summed up as well, alas I haven't even seen it yet. But reading this, it looks like all my fears have been realised in this movie.Gatkowski wrote:People told me to reserve judgement until I see the whole movie. So now, after seeing the easly most hyped blockbuster of the summer, I'd like to put three years of enthusiasm and anticipation into the following statement:
FAILED.
Well it's been a while since I last saw a michael bay film (I found most of them pretty amusing) so I can't recall anything about the usage of shaky cam etc.Dark Zarak wrote:Spoon wrote:This most likely how my review will be summed up as well, alas I haven't even seen it yet. But reading this, it looks like all my fears have been realised in this movie.Gatkowski wrote:People told me to reserve judgement until I see the whole movie. So now, after seeing the easly most hyped blockbuster of the summer, I'd like to put three years of enthusiasm and anticipation into the following statement:
FAILED.
No. You cannot think of it like that.
Trust me on this one. The good outweighs the bad.
Here's an example:
I thought for sure it would be poopy camerawork up the yin yang.
But for once, Bay made them hold it steady. And no wonder, because his normal shaky camera would have been a compositing nightmare.
Spoon wrote:The thing that bugs me is how the focus of this movie is on the humans and the transformers have like 1-2 lines of text on average. To me the great part about transformers was that the transformers were the actual focus and the fact that most of em had a cool/badass personality etc.
Thanos wrote:Please tell me that "Eddie" does a halfway decent job of voicing Jazz.
Darkscream wrote:I don't particularly like their version of Cybertron though. Looks like the designers were watching too much Lord of The Rings when they drew up concepts of the place.
Renne wrote:Darkscream wrote:I don't particularly like their version of Cybertron though. Looks like the designers were watching too much Lord of The Rings when they drew up concepts of the place.
...What does that even mean?
Cyhwuhx wrote:Renne wrote:Darkscream wrote:I don't particularly like their version of Cybertron though. Looks like the designers were watching too much Lord of The Rings when they drew up concepts of the place.
...What does that even mean?
.::: It looks like Mordor with cybernetic spires.
Cyhwuhx wrote:Renne wrote:Darkscream wrote:I don't particularly like their version of Cybertron though. Looks like the designers were watching too much Lord of The Rings when they drew up concepts of the place.
...What does that even mean?
.::: It looks like Mordor with cybernetic spires.
Seriously though; having seen it yesterday here in the Netherlands, I'm both surprised and disappointed. It's a nice popcorn-film. Don't think too hard and the combat scenes and humour come across very well. The first half especially I was ready to claim Bay the best thing that ever happened to the franchise.
And then it takes a nosedive and never fully recovers.
Characterisation is woeful for the transformers themselves. They all have a handful of lines or less with the exception of Prime, which is just a walking arsenal of one-liners. The only one actually showing character at all is Bumblebee, but his real voice at the end is so horribly mismatched that I wasn't even sure the radio-chatter was gone.
The biggest problem is that while the amount of TF's have been kept low to allow focus, the amount of humans involved is truly gob-smacking. About a dozen of human characters are juggled throughout the film and then the TF's are added. No wonder there isn't any personality for the others besides Bumblebee. There wasn't any space nor time left.
Combat-scenes were cool and sometimes truly mesmerising, but the sooner CGI-producing studios stop using that awful 'make it look real' blur on fast moving objects the better. I was in dire need of a pause-button at times to make sure what was happening (this is also the only point where the TF-designs are truly wrong; some scenes are just a close-up of blurred metal parts moving chaotically). Though as a result the slow-motion sequences are really good.
All in all a fun film, but I'm slightly miffed to notice that in terms of plot and characters (and downright seriousness) the animated one wipes the floor with this. Hopefully, the sequel can put aside the introductions and just focus on the conflict between Autobots and Decepticons and the characters involved.
Oh and it's not an action-flick; it's a comedy.
Cyhwuhx wrote:Oh and it's not an action-flick; it's a comedy.
Dark Zarak wrote:Okay, that review's a little more accurate.
You forgot to mention the sheer intensity of the movie. Some of the best action I've ever seen, and I was afraid it would be Van Helsing all over again. I'm proud to say it was not.
But I just thought of something that might explain a lot:
I have chronic ADD. Of course, some of you probably figured that one out already.
Cyhwuhx wrote:BTW, Frenzy is reminding me of another hyperactive character (I know I've seen the character's behaviour elsewhere) but I can't seem to put my finger on it...
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