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Postby schudini » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:24 pm

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Stalinglad wrote:
schudini wrote:Transformers can be frozen + space is extremely cold = How does Starscream "fly" off into space?


That's what I wondered. Also, how is it they can withstand massive heat when the enter the Earth's atmosphere and survive crashing into the Earth, yet are damaged so easily by rockets?


Megatron was frozen because he was damaged during entry (that'll teach him for not using a protoform like everyone else ...)


See, that's how I understood it. The TF's need a protective shell to shield them from space (both heat and cold). I can understand them being damaged by sabot armor-piercing rounds.

Maybe Starscream didn't fly into space, but just the upper atmosphere (like the SR-71) in order to get away faster to hide.
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Postby dontsh000t » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:33 pm

imo it was good, but could have been better.

Sam and Mikaela brought some human touch to the show rather than just robots fighting robots. eyecandy is always good =D

there was an attempt at a plot... shallow, but passable. some attempt at making it sound deep too, what with Prime saying stuff like how they were no different from humans in their early stages and how humans have their good side etc.

and ILM's visuals made the whole show worth watching for me. wished i coulda pressed Print Screen a few times throughout the movie just so i could have a nice-looking desktop. well done ILM.

the TFs themselves... i won't cover everything, just the ones i thought were bad.
-Bonecrusher: he came, he saw, he died. aww. coulda given him a little more screentime, it looked like he was placed there just for Prime to score one against the Decepticons.
-Jazz: same rant as Bonecrusher. i didn't like how Megatron caught him while he was running away and just tore him apart. would have been better if he realised he couldn't flee, then tried to stand his ground against Megatron. That would make his death more impactful.

and finally, there's the product placement that kinda irks me. Of course, everyone knows the Autobots are a GM convention so i won't go into that. Seemed like nobody really wanted their car portrayed as a bad guy who dies, so the Decepts ended up with cooler-looking alt modes. But there was noticeable product placement for Nokia, Panasonic, GMC and Hewlett Packard. The HP and Nokia one was ok i guess, but the Panasonic and GMC ones were not subtle at all. kinda spoiled the surreality of the show.

all in all, a good attempt with humour and visuals. i'd watch it again =D
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Postby Nightracer GT » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:44 pm

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Gatkowski wrote:People told me to reserve judgement until I see the whole movie. So now, after seeing the easly most hyped blockbuster of the summer, I'd like to put three years of enthusiasm and anticipation into the following statement:

FAILED.

Utterly and miserably failed. This movie is simply one of the worst and most retarded flicks I've seen so far. If not THE worst. Yeah, it has great visual effects. So what? Anything that has ILM written on it should look great. It's a requirement. And even if it has great visual effects, that's all there is to it. It's like a bubblegum. You chew it for some time, pop it a few times, but in the end, you just spit it out once the flavor's gone...after about 10 minutes.

Onto more concrete things.

Plot: I understand that it was meant to be thin. Still, it's more close to nonexistant than thin. I still can't understand why something with 22+ years of background has been degenerated into this...mess. Mindless action and shoot 'em up, mixed with disturbingly superficial drama and romance, with a good chunk of vulgar and idiotic humor added. After seeing the trailers and reading the info available on the movie, I really didn't expect much. But my expectations still seemed to be too high.


Characters:

Sam: Simply a jerk. There are differences between being a clumsy fellow who still has a heart of gold and an idiotic nerd trying to look cool. Unfortunately, he falls into the latter.

Mikaela: Her only role is sex appeal, that's obvious. Too bad a movie based on one of the most commonly known sci-fi universes uses that as seller. And what does some chick has to do with a film about Transformers?

Witwicky parents: Empty cans as characters. Aren't even worth taking notice of.

Soldier dudes: Guess they were usable. They went and fired their guns.

Government dudes: The head guy who arrested Sam and Mik was the worst. If he was supposed to be the main comedy character...well, he failed. The others were okay, I guess.


Optimus Prime: The only one who could be called a "character" in the whole 144 minutes of the film. Peter Cullen did give it his all. Unfortunately, he was given too many forced and superficial lines, including his all-time motto and the others that won the web poll. But still, he did an amazing job impersonating the legendary Autobot leader.

Bumblebee: Well, he was in the film. He was more like Johnny 5 than a Transformer. Somehow, I couldn't grasp the emotional content between him and the two humans he was supposed to protect. Perhaps because in one scene he was acting like a jerk and "peed" on an S7 guy, the other, he was put there for dramatic effect (again, very superficial), just because. I couldn't really take him seriously.

Ironhide: He was for the better. Had a big gun, used it accordingly. Didn't have much screen time, but he did good in that little.

Jazz: He had everything, except style. A loudmouth jackass, who thinks he looks cool, but doesn't. Kinda liked it when Megs ripped him apart.

Ratchet: Been there, seen him. He wasn't showed enough to form any considerable opinion on.



Megatron: A plain wild beast. Not exactly the Megatron I would envision, but for a wild beast, he was perfect. Hugo Weaving also did an excellent work on his voice. He was frightful, ruthless, and really powerful. Sadly, his death was lame as hell. The monstrosity that not even Optimus Prime could defeat was taken down by human weapons. Sam just had to toss the Allspark there to finish him off. Ridiculous.

Starscream: Was used little, his voice was kinda okay...not much else.

Blackout: He was a heavy. He was the only con I was fully satisfied with. Except his death, which was, again, lame. Humans shot him down, motorcycle slidin' style. And again, ridiculous.

Barricade: Looked cool. His voice was somehow wrong though. Like it was overacted. But for the complete two lines he said, it wasn't disturbing.

Bonecrusher: OMG, ROLLERSKATING TFZ!!! Looked a little silly, and got killed off before I realized who he was. Pity. Would have watched him demolishing a military storage facility instead of watching Sam trying to win Mik.

Brawl/Devastator: Wham, boom, pow. He did his share of fighting. Too bad the scenes were so blurry you could hardly make him out.

Frenzy: One of the most irritating characters ever. Stupid voice and even stupider drunken insect-like behavior.


Overall: As stated earlier, the flick is retarded and vulgar in a bad sense. Just a few things:

- Bumblebee peeing on a human. Yeah, right, just what an intelligent, protective representative of a sentient alien race would do.

- The only one who can decipher an alien code noone has ever seen before, and which has broken into the national defense system is a fat jackass, who does computers and video games for hobby. He also knows Freddy Kruger and Wolverine. Yeah, sure. The idea is so crappy that it isn't even funny.

- Very funny family life. "Were you masturbating?" Exactly the type of humorous question you like to hear asked from someone. Especially, when that someone is you, right?

- OMG, GIANT ROBOTZ ARE HIDIN' IN OUR BACKYARD!!!! That was one of the most forced and flat scenes of the movie. If the TFs had been some sort of plusshies, I might have found it cute...

- "Okay, folks let's go away from the dam, from where we could just blast Megs and all to pieces to a densely populated city where we can kill some dozens of civilians in the final fight!" Umm, no comment.

- "Run Fore... I mean, Sam, run!" Really, why couldn't he just jump on a motorcycle, or into a car? Or a bike?

And one thing I really did like (besides Cullen and Weaving's acting) was the scene in which Blackout assaulted the military base. That was one hell of a ride. In the middle of that scene I thought like "maybe I was wrong about this movie afterall". But right after that, the trash was dumped. It was like dating a Mikaela-like chick. Cool and all, and maybe you could enjoy it, if your really wanted to, but it's just empty. It's so different from truly loving someone.

Films like Star Wars and Star Trek created entire sci-fi universes that lasted for 30+ years. In comparison, this movie could have been done easier, since the 20+ years of background material was already done. But no, it had to be some cheap bubblegum crap, that will be forgotten in 2 or 3 years. Or after the last sequel is made.

All in all, this kind of Transformers Live Action should just proceed... on its way to oblivion.


The sad part is:

He's absolutely right.

That so-called "hacker" guy from Good Burger was lame and useless and that whole subplot was useless anyway because the audience already knows what they're trying to figure out!!!!

The humor was sophomoric and mean spirited.

Sam's home life was depressing.

Mikaela was pure slutty trash.


The movie was aimed literally at the lowest common denominator for the big bucks.


But to me, that didn't matter. I'll even accept that Good Burger ****, barely.

It was a great ride and I'm so glad I saw it. If I'd paid money I still would have been glad.


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Postby God Magnus » Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:55 pm

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Dark Zarak wrote:That so-called "hacker" guy from Good Burger was lame and useless and that whole subplot was useless anyway because the audience already knows what they're trying to figure out!!!!


He wasn't in Good Burger. He was in Kangaroo Jack.
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Postby Head Shot » Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:57 pm

God Magnus wrote:
Dark Zarak wrote:That so-called "hacker" guy from Good Burger was lame and useless and that whole subplot was useless anyway because the audience already knows what they're trying to figure out!!!!


He wasn't in Good Burger. He was in Kangaroo Jack.
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Postby OTAGO » Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:46 pm

Dark Zarak wrote:
Gatkowski wrote:People told me to reserve judgement until I see the whole movie. So now, after seeing the easly most hyped blockbuster of the summer, I'd like to put three years of enthusiasm and anticipation into the following statement:

FAILED.

Utterly and miserably failed. This movie is simply one of the worst and most retarded flicks I've seen so far. If not THE worst. Yeah, it has great visual effects. So what? Anything that has ILM written on it should look great. It's a requirement. And even if it has great visual effects, that's all there is to it. It's like a bubblegum. You chew it for some time, pop it a few times, but in the end, you just spit it out once the flavor's gone...after about 10 minutes.

Onto more concrete things.

Plot: I understand that it was meant to be thin. Still, it's more close to nonexistant than thin. I still can't understand why something with 22+ years of background has been degenerated into this...mess. Mindless action and shoot 'em up, mixed with disturbingly superficial drama and romance, with a good chunk of vulgar and idiotic humor added. After seeing the trailers and reading the info available on the movie, I really didn't expect much. But my expectations still seemed to be too high.


Characters:

Sam: Simply a jerk. There are differences between being a clumsy fellow who still has a heart of gold and an idiotic nerd trying to look cool. Unfortunately, he falls into the latter.

Mikaela: Her only role is sex appeal, that's obvious. Too bad a movie based on one of the most commonly known sci-fi universes uses that as seller. And what does some chick has to do with a film about Transformers?

Witwicky parents: Empty cans as characters. Aren't even worth taking notice of.

Soldier dudes: Guess they were usable. They went and fired their guns.

Government dudes: The head guy who arrested Sam and Mik was the worst. If he was supposed to be the main comedy character...well, he failed. The others were okay, I guess.


Optimus Prime: The only one who could be called a "character" in the whole 144 minutes of the film. Peter Cullen did give it his all. Unfortunately, he was given too many forced and superficial lines, including his all-time motto and the others that won the web poll. But still, he did an amazing job impersonating the legendary Autobot leader.

Bumblebee: Well, he was in the film. He was more like Johnny 5 than a Transformer. Somehow, I couldn't grasp the emotional content between him and the two humans he was supposed to protect. Perhaps because in one scene he was acting like a jerk and "peed" on an S7 guy, the other, he was put there for dramatic effect (again, very superficial), just because. I couldn't really take him seriously.

Ironhide: He was for the better. Had a big gun, used it accordingly. Didn't have much screen time, but he did good in that little.

Jazz: He had everything, except style. A loudmouth jackass, who thinks he looks cool, but doesn't. Kinda liked it when Megs ripped him apart.

Ratchet: Been there, seen him. He wasn't showed enough to form any considerable opinion on.



Megatron: A plain wild beast. Not exactly the Megatron I would envision, but for a wild beast, he was perfect. Hugo Weaving also did an excellent work on his voice. He was frightful, ruthless, and really powerful. Sadly, his death was lame as hell. The monstrosity that not even Optimus Prime could defeat was taken down by human weapons. Sam just had to toss the Allspark there to finish him off. Ridiculous.

Starscream: Was used little, his voice was kinda okay...not much else.

Blackout: He was a heavy. He was the only con I was fully satisfied with. Except his death, which was, again, lame. Humans shot him down, motorcycle slidin' style. And again, ridiculous.

Barricade: Looked cool. His voice was somehow wrong though. Like it was overacted. But for the complete two lines he said, it wasn't disturbing.

Bonecrusher: OMG, ROLLERSKATING TFZ!!! Looked a little silly, and got killed off before I realized who he was. Pity. Would have watched him demolishing a military storage facility instead of watching Sam trying to win Mik.

Brawl/Devastator: Wham, boom, pow. He did his share of fighting. Too bad the scenes were so blurry you could hardly make him out.

Frenzy: One of the most irritating characters ever. Stupid voice and even stupider drunken insect-like behavior.


Overall: As stated earlier, the flick is retarded and vulgar in a bad sense. Just a few things:

- Bumblebee peeing on a human. Yeah, right, just what an intelligent, protective representative of a sentient alien race would do.

- The only one who can decipher an alien code noone has ever seen before, and which has broken into the national defense system is a fat jackass, who does computers and video games for hobby. He also knows Freddy Kruger and Wolverine. Yeah, sure. The idea is so crappy that it isn't even funny.

- Very funny family life. "Were you masturbating?" Exactly the type of humorous question you like to hear asked from someone. Especially, when that someone is you, right?

- OMG, GIANT ROBOTZ ARE HIDIN' IN OUR BACKYARD!!!! That was one of the most forced and flat scenes of the movie. If the TFs had been some sort of plusshies, I might have found it cute...

- "Okay, folks let's go away from the dam, from where we could just blast Megs and all to pieces to a densely populated city where we can kill some dozens of civilians in the final fight!" Umm, no comment.

- "Run Fore... I mean, Sam, run!" Really, why couldn't he just jump on a motorcycle, or into a car? Or a bike?

And one thing I really did like (besides Cullen and Weaving's acting) was the scene in which Blackout assaulted the military base. That was one hell of a ride. In the middle of that scene I thought like "maybe I was wrong about this movie afterall". But right after that, the trash was dumped. It was like dating a Mikaela-like chick. Cool and all, and maybe you could enjoy it, if your really wanted to, but it's just empty. It's so different from truly loving someone.

Films like Star Wars and Star Trek created entire sci-fi universes that lasted for 30+ years. In comparison, this movie could have been done easier, since the 20+ years of background material was already done. But no, it had to be some cheap bubblegum crap, that will be forgotten in 2 or 3 years. Or after the last sequel is made.

All in all, this kind of Transformers Live Action should just proceed... on its way to oblivion.


The sad part is:

He's absolutely right.

That so-called "hacker" guy from Good Burger was lame and useless and that whole subplot was useless anyway because the audience already knows what they're trying to figure out!!!!

The humor was sophomoric and mean spirited.

Sam's home life was depressing.

Mikaela was pure slutty trash.


The movie was aimed literally at the lowest common denominator for the big bucks.


But to me, that didn't matter. I'll even accept that Good Burger ****, barely.

It was a great ride and I'm so glad I saw it. If I'd paid money I still would have been glad.


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spot on!!
the movie can be picked to bits on faults and inconsistancys. what really got to me early on in the movie was the poor quality of greenscreen transitions, thankfully they were only few of them.

but let it all slide and its an enjoyable 140mins.
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Postby Renne » Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:11 pm

Last night I went and saw it with movie tickets I was given for my birthday, so at least if I despised it I at least wouldn't have wasted my money!

Let me just say: it's pretty damn amazing & delightful, and I'm saying that as a hardcore G1 purist, too. It's fast, funny and action-packed and there isn't a dead moment at all. It's fun and I'm pleased by it.

I spent a lot of time clapping my hands with glee. I'm almost ashamed I enjoyed it so much. I'll definitely be going to see it again.
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Postby thirteen-spades » Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:36 am

THINGS I LOVED:

- the way jazz break danced as he was transforming (anyone else notice)
- when sam is buying his car the new and old style bumblebee were next to each other
-ironhide absolutely kicked ass, one hell of a fighter, i was just picturing clint eastwood in a giant mech suit lol, hes my favourite character in the movie
-prime, in general he kicked ass, that sword was awsome, especially when he uppercuts bonecrusher
-mikaela, GOD DAM THAT GIRL IS HOT!, if her and prime were in the same shot i nearly exploded because i couldnt focus on both of them at once!
-the transforming, so sweet! the noise was perfect and the shifting was very well done, each transformers mass was consistant
-the humor in the movie, sam pulls some quick ones, and ratchets sex joke was pretty funny
-starscreams voice, i know he had only one line, but i reckon they nailed it!, he sounded like a suck up who loathed his leader
- barricade, he rocked, voice rocked, whole persona rocked!!!

THINGS I HATED:

-why all the allspark creations were evil?
-lack of character development for the decepticons
-bumblebees voice, he acted so kid like yet when it came to him talking, he sounded like an old man
-stupid subplots!
-pointless characters like the hacker, and s7 agent
- starscream didnt get enough screen time
- poopy greenscreening (only sometimes)
optimus should have had his faceplate on permenantly, his mouth just looked gay
-frenzy, just didnt crank my ticket, too much screen time for a minor poopy little character

OVERALL:

all in all it was a f***ing good movie though and i suggest everyone sees it, im going to make my grandma see it! lol
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Postby Spoon » Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:15 pm

Gatkowski wrote:People told me to reserve judgement until I see the whole movie. So now, after seeing the easly most hyped blockbuster of the summer, I'd like to put three years of enthusiasm and anticipation into the following statement:

FAILED.
This most likely how my review will be summed up as well, alas I haven't even seen it yet. But reading this, it looks like all my fears have been realised in this movie.
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Spoon wrote:
Gatkowski wrote:People told me to reserve judgement until I see the whole movie. So now, after seeing the easly most hyped blockbuster of the summer, I'd like to put three years of enthusiasm and anticipation into the following statement:

FAILED.
This most likely how my review will be summed up as well, alas I haven't even seen it yet. But reading this, it looks like all my fears have been realised in this movie.


No. You cannot think of it like that.


Trust me on this one. The good outweighs the bad.

Here's an example:

I thought for sure it would be poopy camerawork up the yin yang.

But for once, Bay made them hold it steady. And no wonder, because his normal shaky camera would have been a compositing nightmare.
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Postby Spoon » Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:17 pm

Dark Zarak wrote:
Spoon wrote:
Gatkowski wrote:People told me to reserve judgement until I see the whole movie. So now, after seeing the easly most hyped blockbuster of the summer, I'd like to put three years of enthusiasm and anticipation into the following statement:

FAILED.
This most likely how my review will be summed up as well, alas I haven't even seen it yet. But reading this, it looks like all my fears have been realised in this movie.


No. You cannot think of it like that.


Trust me on this one. The good outweighs the bad.

Here's an example:

I thought for sure it would be poopy camerawork up the yin yang.

But for once, Bay made them hold it steady. And no wonder, because his normal shaky camera would have been a compositing nightmare.
Well it's been a while since I last saw a michael bay film (I found most of them pretty amusing) so I can't recall anything about the usage of shaky cam etc.
The thing that bugs me is how the focus of this movie is on the humans and the transformers have like 1-2 lines of text on average. To me the great part about transformers was that the transformers were the actual focus and the fact that most of em had a cool/badass personality etc.
If I want good looking cgi action about transforming robots I'd rather watch an other ova of Macross Zero again for example.

Anyway before I make all sorts of conclusions and such i'd better see the movie at least once.
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Postby rikkomba » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:09 pm

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I saw the movie here in Milan yesterday and I have to say that I passed 2 (and more) wonderful hours. I was really entertained by the movie, Megan Fox is "great", to spare other words, the plot is fun, the robots are great and the bases are put for a great sequel. What os not said in dialogues can be got from just looking at the screen, in case anybody was complaining for scarcity of dialogues.

Great movie, I just need it to be VERY successful to ges us sequel, merchandise and all the rest.

Well done, Bay.
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Postby i_amtrunks » Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:28 pm

It holds up well in repeated viewings.

Most of the plotholes and errors are even more apparent though, but thats the same for any movie that is written as poorly as this film was.

On the second viewing you do pick up more, I think Sector 7 could have had their spots reduced, what kind of secret agency would then go show a bunch of army soldiers, 2 kids and some hackers all their most important secrets?

The capturing of Bumblebee was kinda pointless. they could have gotten him to the allspark by having Sam chase his parents in Bumblebee or something decent. The allspark fixed Bumblebee's voice processors, gave Frenzy a new body to attach to its head, yet didn't do the same to Bumblebee's legs... are we supposed to believe that the smaller allspark is not capable of the same kinds of power as when it is full size.

Im starting to think that Barricade may have took a bit out of Optimus in their battle, he is already scuffed up before he fights Megatron. It was an odd fight to cut, as it is not really mentioned as to why Prime is so far behind his fellow bots, the Bonecrusher fight is 15 seconds long, Prime should have been able to catch up easily.
Only 1 of my friends picked up on the Megatron/Prime brother comment, I'm going to take it as "all transformers are brothers". Having it any other way is just plain horrible. It wouldnt be so bad if everyone read all the comics, prequel novelization and movie novelization, but they dont.

Starscream really is wasted, his dogfight is nice, but him standing on the building doing nothing while Megatron does the typical villain crap with Sam is silly. Actually, Sam getting to the roof is rather silly, considering Megatron is a jet and could just fly up through the building. Back to Starscream, unless his character is fleshed out in the extended version, then anything he really does in the 2nd film will be a bit "what?" seeing as he was given no characterization, there was no indication that Starscream is a cunning conniving bot who covets the Decepticon leadership, and would do anything to oust Megatron.

Primes flames and mouth still havent grown on me, but Bumblebee's robot mode (bar the face) looks better and better everytime I see it.
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Postby God Magnus » Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:13 pm

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Okay, I just got finished with the Autobot half of the movie game and I must say I would have rather seen most of the fights toward the end of the movie play out like they did in the game. Plus, Jazz is a thousand times less annoying in the game and he has more than twice as much to say.
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Postby Thanos » Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:21 pm

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I should have a review sometime in the next few days, but I did want to address one point that I just discovered.

I've wondered who'd be doing what voices for the other Autobots and Decepticons in the film besides Optimus and Megatron. It occurred to me to check out IMDB.com and see if they had the voice actors listed.

To my shock, I discovered the following little item.

Jazz is voiced by Darius McCrary, aka Eddie Winslow from Family Matters.

That's right... Family Matters. The show that shoved Steven Q. Urkel into the livingrooms of America for an entire decade. Please tell me that "Eddie" does a halfway decent job of voicing Jazz. :-?

On a side note, we can now connect Transformers to another one of this summer's big blockbuster movies. It's "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" with a twist.

Transformers -> Jazz voiced by Darius McCrary. -> McCrary starred with Reginald VelJohnson, aka Carl Winslow, in Family Matters. -> VelJohnson played second fiddle to Bruce Willis in the original Die Hard. -> Willis kicks more ass in this summer's Live Free or Die Hard.

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Postby Darkscream » Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:54 pm

My rant on Transformers the live action movie.

My first big gripe with the movie is the character design. I can't stand any of the Transformer designs. Ever since I saw preliminary designs, I'd hated them all. I thought maybe in the actual movie, when you see them move, they'd look better, but I was wrong. All the Transformers look like giant wads of junk. Sure, they're complex, but they're a bloody eyesore to look at. They all look like they've been through a trash compactor or paper shredder. Or maybe someone just set a cat loose in the studio where they were doing the concept art. In certain scenes, I could hardly tell when a Transformer had lost a limb because their entire body looked so banged up anyway. And of course, this really helped in the action sequences which were messy enough as it is, and when you add the robots in, it looked like you were watching trash going round in a washing machine.

More on specific designs. Optimus and Ironhide look like apes. Ugly. Some of the Decepticons appear to have sharp mean claws and cruel fangs and other pointy bits that are supposed to make them look eeeeevil. In reality it makes them look like they transform into kitchen instruments. On another note, Scorponok and Frenzy looked really out of place. Their robot modes looked too inconsistent with the rest of the cast.

After watching the movie, I see the idea behind the design aesthetic though. They're made to look so complex that by folding so many bits around, the animators can cheat and make them transform into any bloody thing they want, as is shown in the case of Frenzy and Bumblebee. Works for the concept, but I would have preferred they didn't cop out like that.

This complex design aesthetic also made it hard to tell characters apart, because they all looked like walking pieces of trash. Especially in close ups or quick camera shots, like in the final battle in the city, it was easy to lose track of which Transformer the camera was on. I'm still not sure if it was Ratchet, Ironhide or Jazz who helped Bumblebee put the truck up to block Starscream's attack.

Dog peeing on Ironhide - funny.
Bumblebee peeing on someone - lame.

Weapon designs were also crap. The Transformer weapons looked like they were designed to be put on a toy and have plastic pellets and crap shot out through them. In addition, for such big robots, they didn't seem to have equivalently powerful weapons. More on that under action scenes.

I didn't like how the robots moved either. Blackout moved more like a mech from Battletech in the opening battle than a Transformer. Some people like that, I don't. As if to contrast that, you had some of them doing kung fu flips and rolls in the city battle. Get over the kung fu thing. I don't need it in every frikkin movie.

Besides that, 5 Autobots and 8 Cons. Meh. Too few. No combiners either.

More on the robots. Whoever did the voice casting should lose his job. Hugo Weaving as Megatron wasn't bad, but the problem was his version of Megs could have been done by any other voice actor for a lot less money. All the Decepticons had a generic super evil bad guy voice which didn't give them the unique personalities which made the old Decepticons so interesting. When Megs had that conversation with Starscream, if you weren't paying attention, you'd easily get mixed up as to whose line it was, because they sounded so similar. They all sounded like nasty aliens but nothing more. Except for Frenzy, but Frenzy was a bloody joke anyway. Autobots were a little better off, but not by much. You could tell them apart when they were just bantering, but in battle scenes, there really wasn't too much difference between them. They all just turned into generic soldier mode.

As for the mini robots given life by the cube, why were all of them psychotic monsters? You'd wonder how Cybertron used to be peaceful at all with life like that.

Now, more on Optimus Prime's personality and voice. I like how they got Peter Cullen back to do Optimus, and he does a good job, but there were things which really nagged at me. In the scene at the back of the house, Optimus knocks over a fountain and destroys a flower bed. Now, while these alien robots are not used to our environments and they can be expected to accidentally break things, the way it was done kinda ruins Optimus Prime's image. In the original, Optimus was not all knowing of this world. He was inquisitive and curious of things on Earth, but yet because of that, he was always gentle with the environment, not clumsy like in this scene.

Next, Peter Cullen isn't even mentioned with the main leads of the movie when their individual names come up. Optimus Prime along, with all the other Transformer voices, is only credited at the end of the cast list, after such important characters as Mom In Car and Socialite 1. That serves as a good indicator of how important they thought the robots were as characters. There was way too little character development for the Transformers other than Prime. Most of the Decepticons got next to no lines(Frenzy's jabbering doesn't count), and the Autobot lines sounded like the writer was trying to make a catchphrase collection for each one.

That was another gripe I had with this movie - The humans. I paid to see giant robots, not these ugly flesh creatures. I couldn't care less about that guy's stupid baby, or that Aussie girl, or that other guy's parents. At first it was okay, and I actually laughed at the jokes, like when Sam's dad took him past the Porsche showroom. Then it became obvious that these humans were going to be around the whole 2 hours and it became tedious. The original show had robots that were characters. This show tried to have characters around robots, and that really killed it for me.

Another thing. Tit has no place in a robot show. I know everyone else had no problems with it, but to me, Transformers didn't need the stupid female lead or the teen movie **** they tried to pull. The masturbation joke and girl in the room gag were seen coming from a mile, and while they would have been funny for another lame guy-gets-lucky movie, they were only distracting in this one. It was the same for the political commentary and family crap. They felt like they were only thrown in to satisfy demographics. Part military movie, part sci-fi, part monster movie, cash in on those street racing nuts by having a bad guy as a police car, bring in some "cool" hackers, let's get that teen audience too, and don't forget a tiny nod to the actual fans. Well, you got some of the fans but not all of them.

On Transformers backstory, I didn't mind that they threw out the Primus/Unicron or Quintesson backstory here. The Cube being the source of their life is fine with me. I don't particularly like their version of Cybertron though. Looks like the designers were watching too much Lord of The Rings when they drew up concepts of the place. Also, considering how important the Cube AND Megatron were, you'd think the Autobots and Decepticons would have sent more forces to Earth than just those few.

Next, action sequences. There were some good bits. Optimus sticking his knife into Bonecrusher's head was good, and Starscream's aerial fight with the human planes was good. Scorponok in the desert was okay, and I liked Megs smashing Optimus through the office building. Other than that, I have to say, the action felt really sub par.

For one, I didn't come to watch a knockoff Fast and Furious. Sure, with so many robots transforming into vehicles, you'd expect a chase scene here and there and some vehicle stunt work. However, this being Transformers, a simple car chase just doesn't suffice. They should have been shooting the crap out of everything along the way or have nasty extensions to smash their opponents like rams and spikes from the hubcaps. Anyway, the chase scenes themselves were mostly badly filmed so that they weren't exciting enough even for a normal car movie. Long shots weren't really shot from angles that built tension, and you couldn't really feel the speed of the cars. Close shots were messy. Not thrilling or speedy, just messy. Could hardly see what was going on so that took all the fun out of it. That brings me to the actual robot action.

The robot action was mostly just a horrible mess. The robot designs already look like crap, but when you slam two of them together and have them go tumbling across the screen, it doesn't look like a giant robot fight, it looks like Katamari Damacy. On that note, I don't think it was a good idea to make these giant robots repeatedly do somersaults, as the complexity of their design made it just look like a tumbling scrap heap. It was hard enough telling the robots apart from each other already without them blurred across the screen. To add to that, it seemed someone decided to put the camera crew on drugs and have them zooming about, making the camera work look just as messy as the robot designs, maybe for consistency. People have been complaining about messy camera work since some idiot decided it would be a novel idea for their big medieval battle scene. Guess what, it doesn't work with robot fight scenes either. In fact, it made the battle scenes look small rather than huge. In short, it looks like the director was trying to do a human fight scene using giant robots, as opposed to doing an actual giant robot fight scene.

On that note though, for a director with such a fondness for a big mess, why weren't there more projectiles flying around? Why were there so few big explosions in the final battle? What happened to Blackout's ridiculously overpowered weapons from the opening battle in the army camp? The original cartoon had lazer beams of various colours everywhere. Where were the lazers here? By contrast, the weapons used during the battle in the city were piss weak. Starscream's opening missile was supposed to be a prelude to a huge battle, but it turned out to be the last good explosion in the movie. Look at what Ironhide was packing on his arms, but in the actual battle, he couldn't seem to do squat. There was no kick from his guns when they were fired. He might as well have been firing pea shooters. What was Devastator doing, being pinned down by a small bunch of human soldiers hiding behind a few cars, when Blackout pummeled a whole camp at the start of the movie? Even Devastator's tank rounds didn't have much power behind them. I didn't see a single building topple over or crumble to bits, even though there were so many to choose from. Sure some buildings got some big holes in them, but it didn't feel like enough. Things that would have exploded in other action movies didn't. Even when robots got hurt, you didn't see parts of their body exploding, sparks flying, billowing smoke... I'll say it again - weak. Megatron didn't have his fusion cannon either. Giant robot movie is not complete without at least one death ray/beam thingie, and this one didn't have it. How is it human vulcan cannons from the desert scene seem to be more powerful than the machine guns and missiles of this super advanced alien technology?

Yes, I'm pissed that a Decepticon named Devastator doesn't appear to be able to devastate anything, especially considering that the original Devastator was practically unstoppable by even a team of Autobots, let alone humans and Bumblebee.

One scene stands out in the movie though as particularly horrible though. The US soldier riding the bike and sliding under Blackout to fire a tracer at his crotch. Were they trying so desperately to make the humans look good, like we can take out these aliens on our own? Look ma, I took out an alien. That scene reeked of cheesiness, even in a movie as cheesy as this. Wasn't good cheese either. More like the kind that stinks so bad your body tingles.

Final word on the action - where was the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom! What was this crap with Megatron only getting a teensy hole burnt into his chest? Did you see the size of that cube before Bumblebee collapsed it down? You're telling me that thing had enough power to create worlds and yet all we get is a little burning sensation for Megs? Anyway, what was Meg's chest cavity doing open in the middle of a battle anyway? Now I know that the cube won't affect Transformers just by touching them because Bumblebee was holding the damn thing earlier and his hands didn't burn away. From what Optimus said about uniting the cube with his spark, I assume that's what happened to Megs. But for something as important to a Transformer as his spark, his life force, you think it would be just accessible by touching their chest, as opposed to being buried deep under layers of armour?

Now for just nitpicks with inconsistencies and things which just weren't thought out well. As an example, I've already pointed out how Blackout's weapons were so powerful in the opening battle, but then all the weapons seemed to be scaled down in the city. I know the old series had just as many of these plotholes and stuff, but I'm going to nitpick these points to show that the new movie no better than the original cartoon in this area.

To start with, characters conveniently disappear off screen. The most obvious scene being the scene with Sam running up the stairwell. Megatron was sure taking his sweet time chasing him. Maybe he couldn't find Sam? Maybe he didn't know Sam was going up the stairwell? Even with Transformers' advanced technology which allows Ratchet to detect inane things like human pheromone levels? And in one of the next scenes, after the helicopter is shot down, you see it fall past Optimus, who's already on the way up to save Sam. Yet after that, Sam clings on to that statue for an eternity while Megs threatens him. Optimus sure took his time as well. Meanwhile, Starscream is standing on a nearby building like a pussy, doesn't notice Optimus climbing up, doesn't bother to take a pot shot when Megs jumps on Optimus and crashes to the ground later, and instead waits around until human planes arrive to suddenly burst into action.

All this while, Ratchet and Ironhide are somewhere fighting someone.... Wait, who the Hell were they fighting? I remember them saying "It's Megatron. Fall back." You sure fell back a long way you lamers! When Optimus was fighting Bonecrusher too, where the heck were all of you?! Maybe it's because Bonecrusher appeared so suddenly, the only one who noticed all the exploding cars in the rear was the big guy.

More on characters disappearing. Bumblebee conveniently disappears right after he saves Sam from some guard dogs. He was busy driving rings around Sam, and suddenly when the police arrived he was gone. That's besides the fact that Sam managed to follow Bumblebee on his bicycle to the train yard in the first place. How do you ride after a car so fast and yet still have the time to talk on your mobile phone? Or was Bumblebee just driving slow? So slow a guy on his grandma's bicycle can catch up? Don't think so.

Barricade disappeared too. At the end of the movie, if he was killed in battle, I sure didn't realize due to the sloppy editing. Besides that, in his first robot-to-robot encounter with Bumblebee, I didn't even realise he'd lost yet. They fought, it cut to Frenzy and the kids(loser got beat up by two puny humans), then Bumblebee just appeared over the hill, and it cut to Barricade apparently waking up from being knocked out. I felt like I was robbed of half a fight scene there.

Next, Optimus hiding under a bridge while watching Bumblebee get caught. We can't save him without endangering the humans. Kinda hard to swallow after they easily disarmed all those Section 7 guys a while earlier. Anyway, why did Optimus decide to run off in robot form when everyone else transformed into vehicle mode to run? You can take passengers much more safely in vehicle mode. Noooo... Optimus decided to take the kids on his shoulder and try to hide in his very conspicuous robot mode. Robots in disguise you dimwit! What's vehicle mode for? If they already saw your vehicle mode and are on the lookout, scan another passing car or something and take a new form, since it seems to be so easy in this movie.

I'll go on to Frenzy, who managed to sneak out of Air Force one unnoticed when the plane landed, despite the fact that a security breach of that level would have meant the humans would be looking out for anything suspicious, including maybe a shiny robot scampering across the tarmac.

Decepticons. Decepticons. After 20 years, they still haven't learnt to shoot straight. Devastator had so many weapons but couldn't do squat with them. Blackout couldn't hit a guy lying on the ground right in front of him. Megatron couldn't hit a stationary human standing behind a statue. Autobots didn't do much better. All these camera shots of Ratchet and Ironhide firing at... something.

While on the city battle, I'll ask why Sam had to take the cube and run, instead of grabbing a vehicle, or maybe giving the cube to someone else. I guess he'd already shown he could keep up with Bumblebee on a bicycle and almost outrun Barricade on foot, so he might have been a good choice. Why then did Sam run upstairs into a building when there was no way out from there except by helicopter? Did he think a helicopter would be able to run to safety when TWO of the Decepticons were jet aircraft? Apparently, he overestimated the ability of Ratchet and Ironhide to give support fire. I'll also ask why they decided to run to the city in the first place when they knew Decepticons were chasing them. They'd rather the city got shot up than stay out in the desert where there would be far fewer civilian casualties? Fair enough, the city gives extra cover, but you'd have to be a real jerk to make a decision like that.

Now on to Transformers speaking English. I think it was a sensible idea to have a Transformer language, as the original never explained why aliens from distant planets spoke the same language as humans. The Autobots learning English through the world wide web however I hope is Optimus trying to tell a joke. None of the Autobots said "Teh roxxors" or "Lol" as far as I can remember, and it would be impossible to learn intonations and inflexions through text, but then there's Youtube, so that could be possible even if it's by a very long shot. However, how did Megatron learn modern English if he was frozen for over a thousand years? If he did speak English, wouldn't it be Ye Olde English as opposed to the current form?

That concludes my rant for now. I did have some laughs with the movie, and to its credit, it was entertaining on some counts. It's just the mecha and action aspects fell short, and that was what I paid money for. No kaboom.

Now looking forward to the new Gundam series so I can complain about that one too.
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Postby Nightracer GT » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:53 am

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Spoon wrote:The thing that bugs me is how the focus of this movie is on the humans and the transformers have like 1-2 lines of text on average. To me the great part about transformers was that the transformers were the actual focus and the fact that most of em had a cool/badass personality etc.


Well, aside from Jazz, you don't have to worry too much about that. The TF's get a lot more time than I thought they would.

However, there is this stupid stupid stupid stupid STUPID STUPID STUPID subplot involving hackers trying to figure out a signal. But the audience already f'ing knows what it is. And then it gets worse and guess what? It goes NOWHERE. It could have been cut.

I'm starting to see what people have against fleshlings now. I really am.


And yet, and I still maintain this, the movie makes up for even that.

However, there is a lot of human stuff, but when the TF's finally get going, they have a lot more time and a lot more relevance than you might think.

That whole "boy and his car" thing? Overblown reaction of the century. The first 20 minutes are about a boy and his car, and it doesn't even try to be touching. It's mostly vulgar jokes that sitcoms don't even sink to.


Here's when you know the movie is about to shift gears into quality: When Barricade first transforms and looms over Sam like in the preview. That is the best scene of the whole film, and it doesn't sink much from there.

Oh, and Darkscream is waay to negative. It's not as bad as he's making it. Nitpicking every little thing.


Thanos wrote:Please tell me that "Eddie" does a halfway decent job of voicing Jazz. :-?


He does not. Jazz is stupid and wasted. They might as well have named him Rap. It's actually a good thing that he barely speaks.

Oh and, you damn near cheer when he dies. Megatron is practically a Civil Rights hero.
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Postby Renne » Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:34 am

Darkscream wrote:I don't particularly like their version of Cybertron though. Looks like the designers were watching too much Lord of The Rings when they drew up concepts of the place.


...What does that even mean?
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Postby Cyhwuhx » Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:53 am

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Renne wrote:
Darkscream wrote:I don't particularly like their version of Cybertron though. Looks like the designers were watching too much Lord of The Rings when they drew up concepts of the place.


...What does that even mean?


.::: It looks like Mordor with cybernetic spires.

Seriously though; having seen it yesterday here in the Netherlands, I'm both surprised and disappointed. It's a nice popcorn-film. Don't think too hard and the combat scenes and humour come across very well. The first half especially I was ready to claim Bay the best thing that ever happened to the franchise.

And then it takes a nosedive and never fully recovers.

Characterisation is woeful for the transformers themselves. They all have a handful of lines or less with the exception of Prime, which is just a walking arsenal of one-liners. The only one actually showing character at all is Bumblebee, but his real voice at the end is so horribly mismatched that I wasn't even sure the radio-chatter was gone.

The biggest problem is that while the amount of TF's have been kept low to allow focus, the amount of humans involved is truly gob-smacking. About a dozen of human characters are juggled throughout the film and then the TF's are added. No wonder there isn't any personality for the others besides Bumblebee. There wasn't any space nor time left.

Combat-scenes were cool and sometimes truly mesmerising, but the sooner CGI-producing studios stop using that awful 'make it look real' blur on fast moving objects the better. I was in dire need of a pause-button at times to make sure what was happening (this is also the only point where the TF-designs are truly wrong; some scenes are just a close-up of blurred metal parts moving chaotically). Though as a result the slow-motion sequences are really good.

All in all a fun film, but I'm slightly miffed to notice that in terms of plot and characters (and downright seriousness) the animated one wipes the floor with this. Hopefully, the sequel can put aside the introductions and just focus on the conflict between Autobots and Decepticons and the characters involved.

Oh and it's not an action-flick; it's a comedy. ;)
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Postby Renne » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:28 am

Cyhwuhx wrote:
Renne wrote:
Darkscream wrote:I don't particularly like their version of Cybertron though. Looks like the designers were watching too much Lord of The Rings when they drew up concepts of the place.


...What does that even mean?


.::: It looks like Mordor with cybernetic spires.


Ohhhh. Heh, didn't even think of that. I was thinking of the forests and Gondor and trees and greenery. And going "Cybertron? WTF?"
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Postby Nightracer GT » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:39 am

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Cyhwuhx wrote:
Renne wrote:
Darkscream wrote:I don't particularly like their version of Cybertron though. Looks like the designers were watching too much Lord of The Rings when they drew up concepts of the place.


...What does that even mean?


.::: It looks like Mordor with cybernetic spires.

Seriously though; having seen it yesterday here in the Netherlands, I'm both surprised and disappointed. It's a nice popcorn-film. Don't think too hard and the combat scenes and humour come across very well. The first half especially I was ready to claim Bay the best thing that ever happened to the franchise.

And then it takes a nosedive and never fully recovers.

Characterisation is woeful for the transformers themselves. They all have a handful of lines or less with the exception of Prime, which is just a walking arsenal of one-liners. The only one actually showing character at all is Bumblebee, but his real voice at the end is so horribly mismatched that I wasn't even sure the radio-chatter was gone.

The biggest problem is that while the amount of TF's have been kept low to allow focus, the amount of humans involved is truly gob-smacking. About a dozen of human characters are juggled throughout the film and then the TF's are added. No wonder there isn't any personality for the others besides Bumblebee. There wasn't any space nor time left.

Combat-scenes were cool and sometimes truly mesmerising, but the sooner CGI-producing studios stop using that awful 'make it look real' blur on fast moving objects the better. I was in dire need of a pause-button at times to make sure what was happening (this is also the only point where the TF-designs are truly wrong; some scenes are just a close-up of blurred metal parts moving chaotically). Though as a result the slow-motion sequences are really good.

All in all a fun film, but I'm slightly miffed to notice that in terms of plot and characters (and downright seriousness) the animated one wipes the floor with this. Hopefully, the sequel can put aside the introductions and just focus on the conflict between Autobots and Decepticons and the characters involved.

Oh and it's not an action-flick; it's a comedy. ;)


Okay, that review's a little more accurate.

You forgot to mention the sheer intensity of the movie. Some of the best action I've ever seen, and I was afraid it would be Van Helsing all over again. I'm proud to say it was not.

But I just thought of something that might explain a lot:

I have chronic ADD. Of course, some of you probably figured that one out already. :-P
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Postby Gatkowski » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:27 am

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Cyhwuhx wrote:Oh and it's not an action-flick; it's a comedy. ;)


"This is bad comedy." To quote someone related to the subject.
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Postby Cyhwuhx » Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:23 am

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Dark Zarak wrote:Okay, that review's a little more accurate.

You forgot to mention the sheer intensity of the movie. Some of the best action I've ever seen, and I was afraid it would be Van Helsing all over again. I'm proud to say it was not.

But I just thought of something that might explain a lot:

I have chronic ADD. Of course, some of you probably figured that one out already. :-P


.::: Must say the intensity was dumbed down for me because of the blurry stuff happening. That said, Blackout's entrance was done really, really well. To me it was the best action-scene.

Which explains why the rest didn't make nearly as much impact. Then again, expecting the Prime vs. Megs fight to become a Neo vs. Smith fight (no pun intended) was probably asking for trouble. :D

BTW, Frenzy is reminding me of another hyperactive character (I know I've seen the character's behaviour elsewhere) but I can't seem to put my finger on it...
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Postby Nightracer GT » Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:57 am

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Cyhwuhx wrote:BTW, Frenzy is reminding me of another hyperactive character (I know I've seen the character's behaviour elsewhere) but I can't seem to put my finger on it...


Damn, you're absolutely right....

****, it's gonna keep me up all night now.


I'm thinking right now, it's a combination of characters, starting with the one TF character we never even thought to push to be in the movie, but lo and behold, there he is:

KREMZEEK!
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