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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Autobot032 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:58 am

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Cormaster628 wrote:I for one am ashamed of the whole Damn country and think it was pretty **** obvious McCain was the better choice. Thats all i'm going to say... I don't wanna piss off anyone with my true feelings about that pos


You're entitled to your feelings, but I'd say you're coming awfully close to an infraction.

Let's put it this way, I have don't have a filter, I'm pretty much a prick, but even I wouldn't call the man a POS.

for what it's worth...
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Dr. Caelus » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:26 am

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I was impressed by McCain's speech - it reminded me of the guy I liked four years ago. I think the election would have been a lot closer if that McCain had been the one running for President. Hopefully we'll see more of the old McCain in the senate now that he doesn't have the GOP breathing down his neck.

That said some of the less gracious supporters in his crowd annoyed me.
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Mkall » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:27 am

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Original Sin wrote:Is there anywhere online to watch Barack's speech?

I missed it :-(

Part 1: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=JqN6QhQ9FuY
Part 2: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=VPn4X5jsb7c

Damn good speech.
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby TheMuffin » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:37 am

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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Bed Bugs » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:38 am

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This is great! :D I fell asleep not knowing who won, but anticipating an Obama victory. I'm glad he won, and looking at Congress, I'm glad the Democrats DID NOT get to 60 in the Senate. I prefer the Democrats to Republicans, but anyone has to agree that absolute control of the government under one party is a bad idea.

I really believe that the Democrats will start some favorable reforms that help everyone, like upgrading our infrastructure. Yes, it will cost money, but it will need to be done to benefit everyone.

I don't think we are looking at new direction towards socialism, just a little bitterness. I think when Bush took office, I compared him to a Fascist, but that didn't pan out. Just saying, it's easy to label the other side to the extreme, but it most likely is not accurate.

As for the whole healthcare debate, I personally hope that they try to set it up like our education system. You will be guaranteed government healthcare until you are 18, but then you must get your own after that, while still allowing those that wish to continue using the private sector (like a private school) may do so.
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:43 am

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Mega Zarak wrote:As for the Reagan comment, I don't know did he? I've heard he did but has it been proven, I'm not getting smart I really don't know. At the same time we helped put Castro in power don't forget, people have a habit of using us and then changing their tune.


It is a proven fact that Reagan's administration funded ,trained and helped to placed the Taiban in power.Osama was one of many trained.

To simplify things.....The U.S. Government funded them to weakened Russian prescience in Afghanistan.
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Archanubis » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:52 am

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I'm watching the McCain concession speech now on YouTube. It's a rather good speech, and it's nice to see him tell the booers in the crowd, politely, to settle down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss6lTP8BJ8
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Cyber Bishop » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:41 am

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Everyone make sure and refresh yourselves on them as I don't care how much of a prick some of you think you can be to others..

I am allowing this thread to remain open (because political threads are a no no) for now.

Those rules are the ONLY warning everyone is going to get in dealing with this political talk.

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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Galvatron628 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:07 am

I'll give the guy a chance. But I think his promises of "Change" are pure political BS. Thats why I never really liked Obama. making all these promises and telling the american people what they wanna hear. Everyone hated Bush so bad that McCain didn't have a chance in hell of winning this election.

Honestly I don't think Bush did anything worse than Clinton. Everyone talks about oh how great the Clinton years were, and oh yeah thats right he let terrorist bomb the WTC and get away with it, he cut the military down to a fraction of its size, and he cheated on his wife and slept with an intern on the side. Yeah great president!

Jimmy Carter was also a democrat and regarded as an even worse president than Bush. Putting a democrat in the Whitehouse won't solve anything.

That being said I'll give Obama a chance. Maybe he'll actually "change" things, but I'm not for this socialist idea of "spreading the wealth around". The tax bracket system is already flawed...it should be a flat percentage rage regardless of how much money you make. They already have it set up so the "more you make the more we take".

I just don't see what makes Obama so special. He's got hardly any experience, and he's a hell of a talker. Oh and he obviously knows how to spend money since I saw one McCain ad for every 200 Obama ads. I think America's been duped honestly. Some nobody from illinois starts talking "change" during the worst financial crises since the Great Depression and americans believe it!

But I'll still give him a chance.
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Wingspan » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:46 am

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Cormaster628 wrote:Oh and he obviously knows how to spend money since I saw one McCain ad for every 200 Obama ads.

As did I - but I live in a Blue state. Perhaps an evaluation of when you saw the McCain ads will help illustrate the point as I would bet they were mostly during prime time. I call that smart on both candidates to invest where it makes a difference.

Cormaster628 wrote:Some nobody from illinois starts talking "change" during the worst financial crises since the Great Depression and americans believe it!

But I'll still give him a chance.

Even though you're giving him a chance please don't be so harsh in that characterization of him or of the American financial situation. However, I will say, the stock market swing yesterday is very needed. If nothing else maybe perception will put some money back into American 401ks.
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Senor Hugo » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:53 am

I gotta say, I saw about an even number of McCain/Obama ads on tv.

One ad I saw presented by the Republicans cited YouTube as a source of their information.

I can't remember if that was a "Obama Bad, McCain good!" ad or one for a local election here in Indiana.

But damn was it funny.
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Galvatron628 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:57 am

I really haven't seen many ads for McCain honestly. I've seen a couple of Republican committee ad's thats about it. I live in Indiana, a state that NORMALLY is a red state.

I'll be honest I saw this coming, and thought it was inevitable. I'm more disapointed with my state than the election. 11-4-08: The day I was ashamed to call myself a "hoosier".

Seriously though the last time this state with with the Democratic candidate was JFK. I at LEAST thought my state would go with McCain.
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Mega Zarak » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:19 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Mega Zarak wrote:As for the Reagan comment, I don't know did he? I've heard he did but has it been proven, I'm not getting smart I really don't know. At the same time we helped put Castro in power don't forget, people have a habit of using us and then changing their tune.


It is a proven fact that Reagan's administration funded ,trained and helped to placed the Taiban in power.Osama was one of many trained.

To simplify things.....The U.S. Government funded them to weakened Russian prescience in Afghanistan.


Well like I said I did not know if it had been proven. Like I said we have helped other people in the past and gotten burned by them so Reagan is not the only one who has done something like this and bear in mind I'm fairly sure he did not make the choice alone.
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Wingspan » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:32 am

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Cormaster628 wrote:I really haven't seen many ads for McCain honestly. I've seen a couple of Republican committee ad's thats about it. I live in Indiana, a state that NORMALLY is a red state.

Debunks my ad-placement theory.
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Pyrostrata » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:39 am

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I normally do not like getting involved in political discussions due to the extreme potential for flaming and general nastiness to arise, but I make an exception in this case!

I am well-pleased with the whole thing! Obama won (what I wanted). McCain's concession speech was well-worded and extremely gracious. Obama's acceptance speech was stirring and very presidential and as gracious as McCain's. Both men handled the election-day as gentlemen.

I truly hope change is coming and it is for the good!
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby energonexpress » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:00 am

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Starlock wrote:Should be interesting to see how the next 4 years go. Of course we still have 2 more months of Bush to screw something up for Obama to fix or try to fix.

Presidents don't make laws, spend money, or pork up unnecessary bailout bills. I was actually hoping that Obama was truly a Muslim, and therefore opposed to any pork. But alas, it is not true. Our glorious Comrades in Congress do that. Does the President propose bills, budgets, etc.? Yes. He also signs it into law. But Congress votes to allow it. Congress adds pork after pork after pork. And the last two presidents have been all too willing to sign anything that crosses their desk. Presidents can't do jack without Congress allowing it.

As far as fixing things? Nah. Won't happen. See, we'll have two years of social programs that will only cost us more money, another bailout is already being asked for by members of Congress, and we'll run off investors and large businesses that employ people by taxing them out of the country or business entirely. Then we'll have a populace that is dependant upon some government program to even survive, thus insuring that the same fat cats who don't have term limits keep going right back to Washington, plundering our tax dollars for their power trips. Trust me, things will not change for the better. Not while Congress is still composed of the socialist minded individuals there.


And anyone who thinks that Bush was a conservative or that McCain is either for that matter is sorely mistaken.


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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Me, Grimlock! » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:07 am

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Cnogratulations! I may live in Canada, but we're affected by the States in so many ways (and yet can't vote there! Go figure. :P ) I think Obama's the right man for the job.

I don't have cable and I'm in the middle of a huge move, but I'll want to see those speeches when I get the chance. I know Mkall posted the parts to Obama's speech halfway down page 6, but is there anywhere to see McCain's concession?

If only we could get some change over here.
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Wingspan » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:52 am

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Me, Grimlock! wrote:I don't have cable and I'm in the middle of a huge move, but I'll want to see those speeches when I get the chance. I know Mkall posted the parts to Obama's speech halfway down page 6, but is there anywhere to see McCain's concession?

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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Shadowman » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:05 am

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Cormaster628 wrote:Honestly I don't think Bush did anything worse than Clinton. Everyone talks about oh how great the Clinton years were, and oh yeah thats right he let terrorist bomb the WTC and get away with it, he cut the military down to a fraction of its size, and he cheated on his wife and slept with an intern on the side. Yeah great president!


We had info that the WTC attacks were going to happen weeks before, AFTER Clinton left office.

If he cut down the military, what did he use during the Bosnian War?

And getting a BJ from his secretary? Honestly? I hate using this term, but at least no one died when Clinton lied. (By the way, he did not sleep with Monica Lewinski)

Cormaster628 wrote:Jimmy Carter was also a democrat and regarded as an even worse president than Bush. Putting a democrat in the Whitehouse won't solve anything.


Did Jimmy Carter get us into a war with Iraq with no clear ending?

Cormaster628 wrote:That being said I'll give Obama a chance. Maybe he'll actually "change" things, but I'm not for this socialist idea of "spreading the wealth around". The tax bracket system is already flawed...it should be a flat percentage rage regardless of how much money you make. They already have it set up so the "more you make the more we take".




Cormaster628 wrote:I just don't see what makes Obama so special. He's got hardly any experience, and he's a hell of a talker. Oh and he obviously knows how to spend money since I saw one McCain ad for every 200 Obama ads. I think America's been duped honestly. Some nobody from illinois starts talking "change" during the worst financial crises since the Great Depression and americans believe it!

But I'll still give him a chance.


See, why do people think he's a socialist? He said "Spread the wealth around" which, to the best of my knowledge, means giving a helping hand to those who don't have the means to help themselves.

As for some "Nobody" from Alaska--sorry, I mean the Illinois Senate...
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Dr. Caelus » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:08 am

Cormaster628 wrote:Everyone hated Bush so bad that McCain didn't have a chance in hell of winning this election.


I would probably agree with that in general.


Everyone talks about oh how great the Clinton years were, and oh yeah thats right he let terrorist bomb the WTC and get away with it, he cut the military down to a fraction of its size, and he cheated on his wife and slept with an intern on the side. Yeah great president!


You have his affair on your list of top three things that were bad about Clinton?


Jimmy Carter was also a democrat and regarded as an even worse president than Bush. Putting a democrat in the Whitehouse won't solve anything.


Putting just any Democrat in the Whitehouse might not, I mean, if you just threw my mother in law in their I'm pretty sure it wouldn't accomplish anything, but that shouldn't stand as a condemnation of every Democrat out there.

It's less a matter of 'yay we have a democrat in office' and more a matter of 'yay Obama is in office'.

Although I don't think either party should hold the presidency for very many consecutive terms so long as our country is still roughly 50/50 on its political leanings.

I'll probably say differently though in 8yrs.


The tax bracket system is already flawed...it should be a flat percentage rage regardless of how much money you make. They already have it set up so the "more you make the more we take".


I used to think so too, I mean, that seems like the intuitive approach to taxation, but consider this - As you climb the economic ladder, the ratio of money made to money spent increases.

Every person has to spend money to survive, hypothetically. A person who has $0 income dodges that issue by eating out of trash bins, but I think we can agree that's bad. For individuals not going that route, there's going to be a minimum expenditure for survival, a minimum that rises if you add amenities like health-care, heating, school supplies, etc.

But let's call eating the minimum necessity.

At the bottom end, you have the extremely poor. Hard working Americans that, probably because it is very hard to move out of your SES caste in America, are getting paid crap or have been laid off and can't find a job. The have to spend that minimum amount to eat, and they may or may not make enough to cover that cost.

At the top end, you have the extremely wealthy. The may make millions of times the amount of money the bottom end does, but their survival 'costs' don't increase. They could still get by eating pork and beans if they wanted to. Given, most eat more expensively than that, but I'm sure their food expenditures aren't millions of times higher than those at the bottom end.

Therefore, sales tax, one of our primary taxes, is disproportionately taxing the economically disadvantaged.

You could try to argue that the wealthy spend their money on luxuries and pay the sales tax that way, but if they were spending proportionately as much on luxuries as the poor do on survival, they would be in debt. Most of that money will simply be hoarded away. Otherwise trickle-down economics might suck less hard.

Oh and he obviously knows how to spend money since I saw one McCain ad for every 200 Obama ads.


I saw more McCain ads here in Colorado.

I think America's been duped honestly.


I felt the same way when Bush was elected.

But I'll still give him a chance.


And to be honest that's better than I did with Bush.


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Cormaster628 wrote:I really haven't seen many ads for McCain honestly. I've seen a couple of Republican committee ad's thats about it. I live in Indiana, a state that NORMALLY is a red state.

Debunks my ad-placement theory.


I would attribute the observation to Social Psychology theories that support our over-perception of exceptional data. Hypothetically candidate A's ads are going to be less outstanding in the memory of candidate A's supporters, because they aren't going to invoke annoyance and frustration like candidate B's ads, therefore, in retrospect, the supporters will mistakenly believe there were more of B's ads, when in fact numbers were roughly equal.

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Cormaster628 wrote:Honestly I don't think Bush did anything worse than Clinton. Everyone talks about oh how great the Clinton years were, and oh yeah thats right he let terrorist bomb the WTC and get away with it, he cut the military down to a fraction of its size, and he cheated on his wife and slept with an intern on the side. Yeah great president!


We had info that the WTC attacks were going to happen weeks before, AFTER Clinton left office.


I assume he was referring to the largely forgotten bombing of the WTC's basement parking garage.
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Nekoman » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:37 am

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Shadowman wrote:See, why do people think he's a socialist? He said "Spread the wealth around" which, to the best of my knowledge, means giving a helping hand to those who don't have the means to help themselves.


“Spreading the wealth around” is socialism. But it does not matter to me what you wish to call it, it’s still wrong. The people who loose here are those who worked hard for their money, whereas the fools who blew all of theirs away will gain from this.

You work hard and the government takes all your earnings away. That’s a day in modern America...
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Shadowman » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:42 am

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Shadowman wrote:See, why do people think he's a socialist? He said "Spread the wealth around" which, to the best of my knowledge, means giving a helping hand to those who don't have the means to help themselves.


“Spreading the wealth around” is socialism. But it does not matter to me what you wish to call it, it’s still wrong. The people who loose here are those who worked hard for their money, whereas the fools who blew all of theirs away will gain from this.

You work hard and the government takes all your earnings away. That’s a day in modern America...


When did he even say that? Not "Spread the wealth around" I mean "I will take part of your money and give it to everyone else so everyone has an equal share." I mean, really, when did he say that? I have also said "Spread the wealth" to which I typically give someone a few dollars. Of course, I'm not a socialist.
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Nekoman » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:51 am

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Shadowman wrote:See, why do people think he's a socialist? He said "Spread the wealth around" which, to the best of my knowledge, means giving a helping hand to those who don't have the means to help themselves.


“Spreading the wealth around” is socialism. But it does not matter to me what you wish to call it, it’s still wrong. The people who loose here are those who worked hard for their money, whereas the fools who blew all of theirs away will gain from this.

You work hard and the government takes all your earnings away. That’s a day in modern America...


When did he even say that? Not "Spread the wealth around" I mean "I will take part of your money and give it to everyone else so everyone has an equal share." I mean, really, when did he say that? I have also said "Spread the wealth" to which I typically give someone a few dollars. Of course, I'm not a socialist.


But you’re willingly giving someone a few dollars. Not being forced to.

And where do you think he’ll get his magic money to lend a hand? He’ll either tax us to no end (oh well, paying taxes makes me patriotic I guess), or print more dollars, further weakening our already weak currency.

Heck, by 2012 I’ll be paying a hundred bucks for a loaf of bread!
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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Counterpunch » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:00 am

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Thanks to everyone who has helped to ruin this thread by the discussion of selfish partisian politics.

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Re: President Barack Obama

Postby Tweezy » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:05 am

Motto: "There can only be one, like in that foreign movie where there could only be one, and in the end there was only one dude left, because that was the point"
Counterpunch wrote:Thanks to everyone who has helped to ruin this thread by the discussion of selfish partisian politics.

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