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[Tramp]

The Ultimate Guide does discuss the Japanese series, primarily the toys. Also, both DW and now IDW are incorporating the Japanese material into the US story lines. DW did it by showing both Deatsaurus and Dai Atlas as statues in issue #10 of the ongoing series, and Simon Furman and Ben Yees are currently writing a Beast Wasr compendium for IDW which includes both US and Japanese Beast Wars series and characters, merging them into one. Thus, it would appear that Hasbro does have the authority to affect the Japanese series.

[Damolisher]

No, Takara does. Why would Hasbro affect a country they don't even sell to? Takara sells the toys in Japan. Hasbro doesn't. This is another assumption Tramps making. And those appearences are simply easter eggs. That's like saying every continuity has it's own Leader-1 orCykill, since we see them getting killed off every chance IDW or Dreamwave felt like.

[Damolisher]

Oh, and Tramp, lay off saying they work for Hasbro. They don't. They work for whatever comic company they're employed by. Hasbro can't control what's drawn by the artists, otherwise, there'd be little point in praising people like Don Figueroa for their designs, would there? They're the artists designs, not Hasbros. War Within Characters, etc, are purely up to the artist. Although, I bet I'm wrong on that one too, because I'm disagreeing with what Tramp THINKS he's heard.

[Tramp]

No, Takara does. Why would Hasbro affect a country they don't even sell to? Takara sells the toys in Japan. Hasbro doesn't. This is another assumption Tramps making.

Takara and Hasbro are partners in the TF production, and colablrate on these projects. Secondly, it is Simon Furman himself who confirmed that He and Ben Yees are combining both Japanese and US BW continuities into one for their sourcebook, so there is a precident as stated here: http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The Ultimate Guide does discuss the Japanese series, primarily the toys. Also, both DW and now IDW are incorporating the Japanese material into the US story lines. DW did it by showing both Deatsaurus and Dai Atlas as statues in issue #10 of the ongoing series, and Simon Furman and Ben Yees are currently writing a Beast Wasr compendium for IDW which includes both US and Japanese Beast Wars series and characters, merging them into one. Thus, it would appear that Hasbro does have the authority to affect the Japanese series.

No they got premision to introduce Japanese charsctors to the U.S. reader ship thats all.They can not change anything in the Japanese continuity.

[Tramp]

Oh, and Tramp, lay off saying they work for Hasbro. They don't. They work for whatever comic company they're employed by. Hasbro can't control what's drawn by the artists, otherwise, there'd be little point in praising people like Don Figueroa for their designs, would there? They're the artists designs, not Hasbros. War Within Characters, etc, are purely up to the artist. Although, I bet I'm wrong on that one too, because I'm disagreeing with what Tramp THINKS he's heard.

The artists and writers work for their respective comic book companies, but the final approval of all stories goes through Hasbro, since they and Takara are the owners of the Transformers property. That is the way it works with any licensed material. Dark Horse and Del-Rey have to go through the same process with Lucas Licensing with the Star Wars titles. Everything must be approved before it is published.

[Tramp]

The Ultimate Guide does discuss the Japanese series, primarily the toys. Also, both DW and now IDW are incorporating the Japanese material into the US story lines. DW did it by showing both Deatsaurus and Dai Atlas as statues in issue #10 of the ongoing series, and Simon Furman and Ben Yees are currently writing a Beast Wasr compendium for IDW which includes both US and Japanese Beast Wars series and characters, merging them into one. Thus, it would appear that Hasbro does have the authority to affect the Japanese series.

No they got premision to introduce Japanese charsctors to the U.S. reader ship thats all.They can not change anything in the Japanese continuity.

They aren't just intorducing the characters, but the entire continuities and story lines.

[Damolisher]

I never said anything about the upcomic guide, did I? Further proof you don't read what anyone else writes properly. Takara is in charge of japanese markets. Hasbro isn't. Either way, Hasbro doesn't effect COMIC CONTENT! Seriously, will someone punch this jerk already? I'm seriously getting sick of reading "Hasbro approved said retcon" when the writers DON'T GO TO HASBRO TO GET THEIR WRITING APPROVED! If they went to Hasbro, why would there be so many different interpretations of so many characters? Tramp, this is something else you're wrong about but don't want to admit.

[Damolisher]

The artists and writers work for their respective comic book companies, but the final approval of all stories goes through Hasbro, since they and Takara are the owners of the Transformers property. That is the way it works with any licensed material. Dark Horse and Del-Rey have to go through the same process with Lucas Licensing with the Star Wars titles. Everything must be approved before it is published.

Yeah, and are any of those companies dealing with Transformers? No. Star Wars isn't Transformers and Hasbro isnt' Lucas Licensing, is it, doofus?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

No, Takara does. Why would Hasbro affect a country they don't even sell to? Takara sells the toys in Japan. Hasbro doesn't. This is another assumption Tramps making.

Takara and Hasbro are partners in the TF production, and colablrate on these projects. Secondly, it is Simon Furman himself who confirmed that He and Ben Yees are combining both Japanese and US BW continuities into one for their sourcebook, so there is a precident as stated here: http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/.

They might be incorpating it for the U.S. but that doesnt work in reverse.Dreamwave incoperated Ginrai into there universe as [a very much alive]Power Master Prime's partner and a computer programer but on Takara's offical G1 history page Ginrai is still a truck driver that bonds to a LIFELESS transector body.

[Damolisher]

^And Sto_Vo_kor is right. (Right by everyone else, wrong on Tramp's "I'm always right" scoring system)

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The Ultimate Guide does discuss the Japanese series, primarily the toys. Also, both DW and now IDW are incorporating the Japanese material into the US story lines. DW did it by showing both Deatsaurus and Dai Atlas as statues in issue #10 of the ongoing series, and Simon Furman and Ben Yees are currently writing a Beast Wasr compendium for IDW which includes both US and Japanese Beast Wars series and characters, merging them into one. Thus, it would appear that Hasbro does have the authority to affect the Japanese series.

No they got premision to introduce Japanese charsctors to the U.S. reader ship thats all.They can not change anything in the Japanese continuity.

They aren't just intorducing the characters, but the entire continuities and story lines.

They'll have to change some key points then because in the Beast wars 2 movie the Beast Convoy that comes to save the day [that looks like Optimus Primal] is in fact G1 Prime in a new body.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

^And Sto_Vo_kor is right. (Right by everyone else, wrong on Tramp's "I'm always right" scoring system)

GLORY TO YOU AND YOUR HOUSE........MAY YOU DIE WELL.

[Tramp]

I never said anything about the upcomic guide, did I? Further proof you don't read what anyone else writes properly. Takara is in charge of japanese markets. Hasbro isn't. Either way, Hasbro doesn't effect COMIC CONTENT! Seriously, will someone punch this jerk already? I'm seriously getting sick of reading "Hasbro approved said retcon" when the writers DON'T GO TO HASBRO TO GET THEIR WRITING APPROVED! If they went to Hasbro, why would there be so many different interpretations of so many characters? Tramp, this is something else you're wrong about but don't want to admit.

Tjhe writers don't but the scripts do, They go to the editors, then the editors send them to Hasbro for final approval. Why are there so many different continuities? simple. It is inevitable given the disparities in production and release time between a cartoon and a comic book. Cartoons are produced and released as weekly or daily episodes, comic boks are monthly. Thus the disparity inevitably causes continuity problems.

[Tramp]

The Ultimate Guide does discuss the Japanese series, primarily the toys. Also, both DW and now IDW are incorporating the Japanese material into the US story lines. DW did it by showing both Deatsaurus and Dai Atlas as statues in issue #10 of the ongoing series, and Simon Furman and Ben Yees are currently writing a Beast Wasr compendium for IDW which includes both US and Japanese Beast Wars series and characters, merging them into one. Thus, it would appear that Hasbro does have the authority to affect the Japanese series.

No they got premision to introduce Japanese charsctors to the U.S. reader ship thats all.They can not change anything in the Japanese continuity.

They aren't just intorducing the characters, but the entire continuities and story lines.

They'll have to change some key points then because in the Beast wars 2 movie the Beast Convoy that comes to save the day [that looks like Optimus Primal] is in fact G1 Prime in a new body.

If you read Simon Furman's blog, he did say that they have to make some changes to make it work. He says flat out that a lot of the material cannot be easily merged, though it can be done.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The Ultimate Guide does discuss the Japanese series, primarily the toys. Also, both DW and now IDW are incorporating the Japanese material into the US story lines. DW did it by showing both Deatsaurus and Dai Atlas as statues in issue #10 of the ongoing series, and Simon Furman and Ben Yees are currently writing a Beast Wasr compendium for IDW which includes both US and Japanese Beast Wars series and characters, merging them into one. Thus, it would appear that Hasbro does have the authority to affect the Japanese series.

No they got premision to introduce Japanese charsctors to the U.S. reader ship thats all.They can not change anything in the Japanese continuity.

They aren't just intorducing the characters, but the entire continuities and story lines.

They'll have to change some key points then because in the Beast wars 2 movie the Beast Convoy that comes to save the day [that looks like Optimus Primal] is in fact G1 Prime in a new body.

If you read Simon Furman's blog, he did say that they have to make some changes to make it work. He says flat out that a lot of the material cannot be easily merged, though it can be done.

But they'll be changing it for us, the us readers, not for the Japanese fans.Nothing they write can effect the Japanese stories.

[Damolisher]

Can you actually give FACT rather than crap you've heard goes on with other franchises? You don't seem to be able to differenciate Transformers from anything else. OK, get this through that thick skull of yours, even though I'm bound to get this wrong going by your "I'm 37 years old, have a fetish for female toy robots and wish Transformers can have sex so I could justify that, and I'm right, because I'm 37, and that makes me more correct than anyone else younger, even if they know what they're talking about and I'm only going by what I've heard other companies do" standards.

Simon Furman writes the books. He does not go to Hasbro to approve these. he goes to his IDW editor. His IDW editor then says yes or no, NOT Hasbro. That is what an editor does, you ignorant meatwad. Not "The editor takes it to Hasbro", because an editor is someone who edits 3h books. Hence why they are called an editor. Seriously, for someone who claims to be a graphic novel writer, you know absoloutely NOTHING about Transformers comics, or Transformers fullstop for that matter.

And . If they change the Japanese Characters, that means they're no longer the Japanese characters, are they?

[Tramp]

The Editor does send it to Hasbro for final approval. The over-all story arcs have to go through Hasbro before the scripts are even written.

[Damolisher]

THEY ARE NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Listen, you brain-dead wannabe know-it-all, get it through that ignorant skull of yours: HASBRO DOES NOT HAVE CREATIVE CONTROL OF COMICS. Why would they have creative control over something that isn't related to any current toys? The only thing Hasbro gets is a cut of the profits FROM THE COMIC SALES. They give the creative license so that the writers and artists can create new stories and new characters, as well as new takes on old characters. Otherwise, they'd write the comics themselves, rather than giving it to a comic company. Duh. That's why the pack-in comics in toys are non-canon, doofus. Why woudl they give the thumbs up to anything that debunks what's written in tech-specs.

[Tramp]

Yes, they are sent to Hasbro. Hasbro is the one who owns the property and has full creative control over everything related to their brands. What makes you think they wouldn't be involved in the process? There has been numerous statements by writers and artists from Simon Furman to 3H all saying that their material had to be approved by Hasbro. There have been panels at BotCon, TFCon and other conventions where the comic creators, Hasbro, and the caertoon creators have discussed the creative process and Hasbro's part in it. Hasbro does have final approval over anything TF related. All stories, all material must be approved by them.

[Damolisher]

OK, fine, here's what I suggest? We get someone like Seibs, WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT TRANSFORMERS to Agree with you, and I'll shut up. But there's still you calling them retcons, when they aren't. You think everything overwrites the cartoon when it doesn't. In any case, if Hasbro are so concerned about comics, why can't they have one of their own guys write it?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

THEY ARE NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Listen, you brain-dead wannabe know-it-all, get it through that ignorant skull of yours: HASBRO DOES NOT HAVE CREATIVE CONTROL OF COMICS. Why would they have creative control over something that isn't related to any current toys? The only thing Hasbro gets is a cut of the profits FROM THE COMIC SALES. They give the creative license so that the writers and artists can create new stories and new characters, as well as new takes on old characters. Otherwise, they'd write the comics themselves, rather than giving it to a comic company. Duh. That's why the pack-in comics in toys are non-canon, doofus. Why woudl they give the thumbs up to anything that debunks what's written in tech-specs.

Damolisher dont let him get under your skin.Look ,I used to intern at Marvel Comics a long time ago ,and while I cant speek for IDW's deal with Hasbro what I do know about the prosses is as follows........each licenceing deal is different but for the most part the comic book Editor will sumit a story arc bible to the licence owner for aproval not each and every script.For the most part they do not make many changes these days.I am not speeking about the past mind you........When Hasbro was dealing with Marvel they had more input because they were trying to introduce new toys trew the comic books.

[Tramp]

OK, fine, here's what I suggest? We get someone like Seibs, WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT TRANSFORMERS to Agree with you, and I'll shut up. But there's still you calling them retcons, when they aren't. You think everything overwrites the cartoon when it doesn't. In any case, if Hasbro are so concerned about comics, why can't they have one of their own guys write it?

Why can't Hasbro publish it themselves? because they aren't a comic book company. They're a multimedia intellectual property developer as well as a toy company. They aren't publishers. They work with publishers and animation studios to produce the stories. Thus, they have full creative control over the material and have outside licensees do the actual work of production.

Secondly, It isn't just me that has called them retcons. Even the much lauded Teletraan-1 Wiki, refers to them as official retcons. Do you honestly believe that Hasbro does not have the authority to change its own continuities if they so choose to do so? Do you think they can't authorize writers to do so?

[Damolisher]

Thank you for clearing that up Sto_Vo_Kor. OK, so I was wrong for the most part. But Tramp, you too, were wrong about Hasbro retconning things.

[Damolisher]

Secondly, It isn't just me that has called them retcons. Even the much lauded Teletraan-1 Wiki, refers to them as official retcons. Do you honestly believe that Hasbro does not have the authority to change its own continuities if they so choose to do so? Do you think they can't authorize writers to do so?

Aren't you the one who keeps telling everyone that wikis aren't reliable sources? Or is it suddenly a reliable source because you say it is?

Tosser.