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In the Marvel comics, there were no females. In the cartoons, DW comics, Beast Wars and all other continuties, both G1 and later, there are females. That makes a big difference. IF you look at the majority of continuities, they all have TransFormers who are male or female. You have romantic relationships between the sexes, you have courtship, romantic rivalries, marriages, and children. Add it up.

Tramp wrote:In the Marvel comics, there were no females. In the cartoons, DW comics, Beast Wars and all other continuties, both G1 and later, there are females. That makes a big difference. IF you look at the majority of continuities, they all have TransFormers who are male or female. You have romantic relationships between the sexes, you have courtship, romantic rivalries, marriages, and children. Add it up.

It only means that to your delusional mind. Any sane person realises they're robots and therefore can't have sex. metal beings with robotic circuitry who require shifting body parts can't have sex, or genitals. That's your warped, perverted mind at work. Children= Design and inner parts. Marriage= No. Courtship: What courtship, r-tard? Their partners were built specifically FOR the Transformers in G1 EXCEPT for arcee who was built as a warrior. In any case, there was no "Courtship". I saw no flower giving, I saw no attempts to score, I saw NOTHING in the way of courtship in any form. Romantic rivalries= hell no! That's your perception, and what your out of date, no longer official books say. They also say Arcee resembles females of OTHER SPECIES, troll.

In any case, I highly doubt a race of cold, callous warriors like the Decepticons feel love. And don't thumb your non-canon Manga at me, either (Which has never been referenced in any way anywhere else, mind you (Surprise, surprise.) It's on par with the G1 television commercials and children's books on tape in terms of canon. Decepticons are nothing more than warriors, TRAMP. And again, they're bloody machines.

Look, this is a pointless argument, because you won't listen to anyone else. All you're doing is proving you're a preverted joke account who has to rob a kids' franchise of fun and imagination. I would HATE to read any comic you ever work on. All you are is a troll with a dirty mind.

Shirogoshi, Optimus Prime and Elita-1 were lovers. They were boy-friend and girlfrien, if not husband and wife. Ironhide and Chromia were lifemates as well. Hot Rod and Springer were both romantic rivals for Arcee's affections. Black anrachnia and Silverbolt were lovers. Wreckgar was married, Deathsaurus is married. The Dino Force had children. That is courtship. That is marriage.This is all canon.

Tramp, I swear, you are the BIGGEST PAIN IN THE ARSE walking God's Green Earth. Optimus and Elita are not "Lovers", you sick pervert. They're boyfriend and girlfriend. You have to be able to have sex to be lovers. Hot Rod and Springer did not compete AT ALL! Hot Rod had here, became Rodimus Prime, had more important things to worry about, and Springer swooped in. There was no "Competing" at all. And I am going to personally reach through this computer and pimp slap you if you keep using your retarded theories from some non-canon manga. And Wreck-Gar is defnintely not screwing anyone SINCE HE'S MADE OF GARBAGE!

Shirogoshi wrote:Tramp, I swear, you are the BIGGEST PAIN IN THE ARSE walking God's Green Earth. Optimus and Elita are not "Lovers", you sick pervert. They're boyfriend and girlfriend. You have to be able to have sex to be lovers. Hot Rod and Springer did not compete AT ALL! Hot Rod had here, became Rodimus Prime, had more important things to worry about, and Springer swooped in. There was no "Competing" at all. And I am going to personally reach through this computer and pimp slap you if you keep using your retarded theories from some non-canon manga. And Wreck-Gar is defnintely not screwing anyone SINCE HE'S MADE OF GARBAGE!

Boyfriend and girlfriend means romantically involved That is courtship my friend. Secondly, just because they are robotic rather than organic does not mean that cannot be sexually capable. On top of that, in the comics, both Hot Rod and Springer were chasing after Arcee simultaneously as evidenced in issue 10 of the DW comics, and as specifically stated in Arcee's bio. Both are interested in her. In War and Peace Kup also states that Hot Rod gets in a bind any time someone eve looks at his gal. And Wreckgar is married.

But your beloved MTMTE series says that females are an alien concept to Transformers! So what does that mean? And where the hell do you get that Wreck-gar's married from? he talks in TV phrases. What, so they can somehow blurt out TV related Wedding Vows now? They have churches on Junkion now? Doesn't mean they can make babies, i mean after all, THEY'RE ROBOTS. And on Junkion, they're robots made OF JUNK.

Shirogoshi wrote:But your beloved MTMTE series says that females are an alien concept to Transformers! So what does that mean? And where the hell do you get that Wreck-gar's married from? he talks in TV phrases. What, so they can somehow blurt out TV related Wedding Vows now? They have churches on Junkion now? Doesn't mean they can make babies, i mean after all, THEY'RE ROBOTS. And on Junkion, they're robots made OF JUNK.

In one of the Season three cartoon episodes, Wreckgar gets married to a female Junkion. One of the other members her posted the name of the episode. Secondly, considering how extremely rare femmes are in modern TF society (they haven't been seen in millions of years), Kup uses an analogy[p/b] to explain her to [b]younger bots. It does not say the females are an "alien concept" to them. All it says is that they haven't been seen in a really long time. The Ultimate Guide supports this.

No, he doesn't get married. You don't see Rodimus, Magnus, Blurr, etc decked out in their best chase variant styled armour for the wedding. And yeah, not seen in a long time STILL means they don't need to have sex, does it? Hell, they lasted at least 4 million years. Therefore, your theory= wrong. The fact you think a machine can get laid means there's something wrong upstairs with you anyways.

Shirogoshi wrote:No, he doesn't get married. You don't see Rodimus, Magnus, Blurr, etc decked out in their best chase variant styled armour for the wedding. And yeah, not seen in a long time STILL means they don't need to have sex, does it? Hell, they lasted at least 4 million years. Therefore, your theory= wrong. The fact you think a machine can get laid means there's something wrong upstairs with you anyways.

No, it isn't wrong Shirogoshi. Just because they have the capability to create new TFs using Protoforms, evidently because they lost their females millions of years ago—apparently by the Quintessans— does not make them incapable of sexual reproducting if and when Females return to them, as they eventually do. If we were able to perfect cloning in vats, would that make us incapable of reproducing naturally? No. Why then would TransFormers lose this capability? Just because they are mechanical, and not organic has no bearing.

Uh, yes it does. They're machines. They're not organic, and can creat life by other means. Only an idiot would think otherwise.

Shirogoshi wrote:Uh, yes it does. They're machines. They're not organic, and can creat life by other means. Only an idiot would think otherwise.

Being mechanical has nothing to do with it. They are still living beings, not dead matter; not simple automotons. We are gaining the ability to create new life through cloning and genetic engineering. Does that make sexual reproduction obsolete? No. Would that make Sexual reproduction impossible? No, it wouldn't. The same is true of TransFormers. Yes, they developed the use fo Protoforms imbued by the Matrix or other sources with a spark, mainly because all of the flemales disappeared long ago. Does that mean they would lose the capability to reproduce sexually if and when the females returned? no. It would not. Just because they can create new life using an artifical method, does not make it impossible for them to do so through a natural, autopoietic method.

it does make it impossible. They're machines. A computer can't have sex, and it has all the parts necessary to be "Alive." You're just a pervert who has to rob a children's show of innocence.

Shirogoshi wrote:it does make it impossible. They're machines. A computer can't have sex, and it has all the parts necessary to be "Alive." You're just a pervert who has to rob a children's show of innocence.

No, a computer doesn't. This has already been proven. Antivirus software will not repair damaged hardware. Computers are not alive, TransFormers are. That is a key difference.

Also, The episode which shows Wreckgar's wife (or consort) is The Big Broadcast of 2006, Her name is "Nancy" Here's a pic—

I don't recall seeing any Transformers having kids (except maybe in a few Japanese series). And I'm under the impression that the Creation Matrix/ Vector Sigma/ Primus gives life to the Transformers and that the physical bodies were pre-built. That would explain why Smokescreen, prowl and Bluestreak had similar transformations and physical bodies, despite not being related to each other. Same goes for the Seekers.

I just think that it's better to keep things simple and not to think that deeply abt it...[

Exactly. But I bet Tramp will cry "Triplets." It's funny how you never see any "Pregnant" Transformers.

optronix91 wrote:I don't recall seeing any Transformers having kids (except maybe in a few Japanese series). And I'm under the impression that the Creation Matrix/ Vector Sigma/ Primus gives life to the Transformers and that the physical bodies were pre-built. That would explain why Smokescreen, prowl and Bluestreak had similar transformations and physical bodies, despite not being related to each other. Same goes for the Seekers.

Yes, in the Japanese manga Victory, the Dini force have small children. As for the Matrix and Vector Sigma, that ha salready been covered. Yes, they do imbue sparks into protoforms and prebuilt bodies, but there are methods that do not require portoforms/fully-built bodies, and evidence shows that one probable method is some form of sexual reproduction. As for Smokescreen, Prowl, and Bluestrak, as well as the Seekers, you can chalk up their similarities to their reformatting by Teletraan-1. According to War Within, their Cybertronian forms were completely unique, each with their own unique transformation and alternate form and clear differences in robot mode appearance. In fact, Thiundercracker, SkyWarp an Starscream each transform radically differently from one another even with similar alt modes, and Prowl and Bluestreak look nothing alike, nor do their alternate modes. Their thransformations are also completely different.

Although they are living, sentient beings and appear to have different genders, they simply aren't organic. Thus, they probably don't reproduce the same way as organic beings do.

optronix91 wrote:Although they are living, sentient beings and appear to have different genders, they simply aren't organic. Thus, they probably don't reproduce the same way as organic beings do.

There is no reason why they can't. If you have read any of the theories proposed, utilizing specialized nano-machines each contianing a cocktail of half the genetic code from each parent, as well as a small fragment of each parent's spark, and merging them during interfacing (mating), would create new life that would grow into a Transformer child.

Okay...and that would mean that the female cybertronian would get pregnant, right? And where do you suppose the foetus is stored? And how does the infant TF grow up?(and very few TFs actually age physically i.e Alpha Trion.)

optronix91 wrote:Okay...and that would mean that the female cybertronian would get pregnant, right? And where do you suppose the foetus is stored? And how does the infant TF grow up?(and very few TFs actually age physically i.e Alpha Trion.)

The fetus would likely grow inside the abdomen, but not grow so big that it causes distension of the abdomen, or interfere with transformation. This means that any offspring would be relatively tiny, similar to how tiny a lion cub is compared to a full-grown lion. Also, their physical growth would also have to do with their regenerative systems, which also heal damage. as they age, they grow in size until they reach maturity. Examples of small children include the Dino Force's children pictured earlier in this thread, Wheelie, and the Lithonian children running around on Lithone before Unicron attacks in TFtM. nd, yes, TFs do indeed physically age, as evidenced by not only Alpha Trion, but also Kup and Ironhide, both of whom are elderly Autobots.

Tramp wrote:In the Marvel comics, there were no females. In the cartoons, DW comics, Beast Wars and all other continuties, both G1 and later, there are females. That makes a big difference. IF you look at the majority of continuities, they all have TransFormers who are male or female. You have romantic relationships between the sexes, you have courtship, romantic rivalries, marriages, and children. Add it up.

You also have several instances of TFs blending in with other cultures, showing those same relationships with species that they could not be compatible with in any way, such as with Powerglide & SeaSpray. You see for definate factories, several references to TFs being built, & no reference to them being born, no talk about it. & you also see TFs with all shapes & sizes, maturities, etc...

face it, you have no argument as far as canon is concerned....just a lot of what if's & could be's that never happen.

Oh, & BTW, if you're going to keep taking this "everything canon counts" take reguarding TFs from now on every time you throw out the manga reference, I'm going to point out the G1 Marvel reference that females are only made for the purpose of furthering relations with other life forms, & that's it.

Oh, & While we're at it, we might as well throw out any female TF reference reguarding the original cartoon, because according to that canon, any relations with females is purely superficial, because the quintessons made them all as commercial & military hardware. No Primus, No sparks, no regenerative parts.....

Oh, & considering that, the manga goes, too, because that is breaking off of the quinitessons building TFs origin.

...Or in other words, While one source may say this, or another source may say that, they are all seperate. The Ultimate guide & MTMTE #8 does not dictate how things happen in the original cartoon, because it is not the original cartoon. This is somewhat similar to what you were saying reguarding Soundwave in the other thread: After G1 ended...the real G1, anything after that that tried to rewrite it was not G1...same characters, different origins, different universe & therefore is not compatible with the true G1...definitive take on it or not. All of your connecting dots falls apart when you try simply because what you are doing is the TF storyarc equivalent of taking dots that are supposed to make one picture (say a bear) & connecting them to another adjacent picture(say a horse) & then to another (Say a cat) & putting them together in a fashion that makes a picture that resembles a dog. Which is great & all but the problem is they are designed to be separate takes on similar material, or as hasbro describes them, separate universes.

So even if there was one TF universe that did actually have sexual reproduction, none of the others do, so your argument is still moot.

No it isn't Nemesis, and no, the cartoon did not simply have romantic relations as simply superficial. and they have been having these relationships before blending with other cultures, as have their "cousins" the Lithonians, as well as the Junkions, who are definately descendents of TransFormers. On top of that, the Quintessan origin is vague enough, to include Primus, and when combined with Beast Wars—which is supposed to take place in the same continuity—does include Primus as their true creator. There is enough room because of the inherent contradictions within the cartoon continuity itself, for Primus withion that continuity which was done with Beast Wars, since it was "supposed" to take place in cartoon continuity. Secondly we are not talking about just a single continutiy, but what most have in common, what they all share. In the majority of continuities, TransFormers are both male and female and have been since their creation. So, ,no, the point is not moot.

However, NO series has ever hinted that the Transformers reproduce. Just because they have relationships doen't mean that they reproduce. thay could have relationships due to the need for companionship etc.

optronix91 wrote:However, NO series has ever hinted that the Transformers reproduce. Just because they have relationships doen't mean that they reproduce. thay could have relationships due to the need for companionship etc.

No. As has already been stated, romantic relationships—also known as courtship— serves only one function: the choosing of a mate for the purpose of reproduction. And, yes, one series definately hinted at it. The Japanese manga version of TransFormers: Victory. Deathsaurus had a wife named Esmeryl, Leozak had a sister named Lyzak and the Dino Force wer all fathers of many small children (see image in previous post). They were shown in the last issue of the manga as the reason why the Decepticons (Destrons) were fighting. They were trying to save their families. It was this revalation that brought peace between the Autobots and Decepticons in the manga.
Oh, and Optronix, please use type that is large enough to read without a magnifying glass.

Tramp wrote:No it isn't Nemesis, and no, the cartoon did not simply have romantic relations as simply superficial. and they have been having these relationships before blending with other cultures, as have their "cousins" the Lithonians, as well as the Junkions, who are definately descendents of TransFormers. On top of that, the Quintessan origin is vague enough, to include Primus, and when combined with Beast Wars—which is supposed to take place in the same continuity—does include Primus as their true creator. There is enough room because of the inherent contradictions within the cartoon continuity itself, for Primus withion that continuity which was done with Beast Wars, since it was "supposed" to take place in cartoon continuity. Secondly we are not talking about just a single continutiy, but what most have in common, what they all share. In the majority of continuities, TransFormers are both male and female and have been since their creation. So, ,no, the point is not moot.

Wether you want them to not seem superficial or not, everything reguarding the original cartoon is based off of Quintesson creation, so female design would simply be a consumer design, as would any relationship with the "male" transformers. & nothing more.

Beast Wars is in its own separate universe that is similar to both G1 cartoon & comic, but because it itself tries to rewrite TF history in that sense, it is part of its own universe.

& no, G1 cartoon quintesson origin is not vauge in any way. They had an episode revealing that they were the creators of the Transformers, & over time they grew sentient where before they were not. They are simply sentient machines. Primus was Marvel, a separate universe. They were not combined when Beast Wars was introduced. Beast Wars takes place in a similar, but separate universe, where the Ark & Nemesis still crash land on earth & the same TFs are still reawakened & rebuilt after millions of years of being dormant.

Nice try, though.