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by **Deadpool.** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:20 pm

Ah. But the Japanese series are largely not in continuity (they called the Matrix a power pack..../ Sixshot with a duplicating ability).

by **Tramp** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:24 pm

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:
Tramp wrote:No it isn't Nemesis, and no, the cartoon did not simply have romantic relations as simply superficial. and they have been having these relationships before blending with other cultures, as have their "cousins" the Lithonians, as well as the Junkions, who are definately descendents of TransFormers. On top of that, the Quintessan origin is vague enough, to include Primus, and when combined with Beast Wars—which is supposed to take place in the same continuity—does include Primus as their true creator. There is enough room because of the inherent contradictions within the cartoon continuity itself, for Primus withion that continuity which was done with Beast Wars, since it was "supposed" to take place in cartoon continuity. Secondly we are not talking about just a single continutiy, but what most have in common, what they all share. In the majority of continuities, TransFormers are both male and female and have been since their creation. So, ,no, the point is not moot.
Wether you want them to not seem superficial or not, everything reguarding the original cartoon is based off of Quintesson creation, so female design would simply be a consumer design, as would any relationship with the "male" transformers. & nothing more.

Beast Wars is in its own separate universe that is similar to both G1 cartoon & comic, but because it itself tries to rewrite TF history in that sense, it is part of its own universe.

The alleged Quintessan creation; it is not confirmed as 100% fact that the Quintessans were the true creators of the TransFormers. They did have a great effect on their development, and did indeed divide them up into "Consumer" and "Military" groups, but the cartoon does not make it absolutely concrete that they were the true creators of the TransFormers. So, once again, no, that does not make male and female or relationships between them only superficial. The Uintessans don't have genders, so they wouldn't care about them or design them into their slaves.

& no, G1 cartoon quintesson origin is not vauge in any way. They had an episode revealing that they were the creators of the Transformers, & over time they grew sentient where before they were not. They are simply sentient machines. Primus was Marvel, a separate universe. They were not combined when Beast Wars was introduced. Beast Wars takes place in a similar, but separate universe, where the Ark & Nemesis still crash land on earth & the same TFs are still reawakened & rebuilt after millions of years of being dormant.

Yes, it is vague. What detail it does give still allows for more to be revealed. It left things very open to new information to be explored later. It wasn't set in stone. Secondly, while the original plan was to make Beast Wars a compete restart, the writers and Hasbro decided to make it a continuation of the G1 cartoon. Therefore, it is not a separate universe.

by **Tramp** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:36 pm

optronix91 wrote:Ah. But the Japanese series are largely not in continuity (they called the Matrix a power pack..../ Sixshot with a duplicating ability).

The Japanese manga are as much continuity as American comics. They're just alternate realities to the cartoons, like the Marvel comics is an alternate reality from the US cartoon. The mangas are therefore, still part of TF canon. Remember, TransFormers is a multiverse, but all of the continuityies have certain things in common. One of the things in common with most continuities is that they have genders. They're male and female, and that they engage in activities which only serve reproduction. Even in Cyberton Thunderblast has the "hots" for Megatron. Think about it. She also has breasts—that bounce and everything—under her armor. A number of them also show evidence of or mention of families. Rat Trap claims Arcee is his Great Aunt, for instance

by **AUTOBOT STITH** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:23 pm

slycherrychunks wrote:We all know that the first 13 Transformers we created by Primus. Given that they were a technological race right from the very start, there is absolutely no reason for them to reproduce sexually as the other established methods are far more efficient and create more diversity in the species. (Transformers are all different, there is no evidence to suggest that any Transformer is a combination of genetic material from two parental units - ie a transformer that looks like a cross between mom and dad.)

The whole sexual reproduction theory rests on at least one of the first 13 transformers being female - otherwise it makes no sense.

Well like in Jurrassic Park all the dinos were chicks and "life found away"(TM)

by **Tramp** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:27 pm

AUTOBOT STITH wrote:
slycherrychunks wrote:We all know that the first 13 Transformers we created by Primus. Given that they were a technological race right from the very start, there is absolutely no reason for them to reproduce sexually as the other established methods are far more efficient and create more diversity in the species. (Transformers are all different, there is no evidence to suggest that any Transformer is a combination of genetic material from two parental units - ie a transformer that looks like a cross between mom and dad.)

The whole sexual reproduction theory rests on at least one of the first 13 transformers being female - otherwise it makes no sense.

Well like in Jurrassic Park all the dinos were chicks and "life found away"(TM)

Exactly. And as has been said before, Since only a few of the Original 13 have been named, it is quite possible that some of them were indeed females, and given that she is a contemporary of Alpha Trion's, the Fembot,Beta could be one of them.

by **AUTOBOT STITH** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:35 pm

Just saying it is possible that they can breed right if not maybe like in Robots they build there child.

by **Shirogoshi** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:24 am

Uh, can you run that by us ONE MORE TIME? Because if you're saying reproduction= Building, been there, done that, that's been my argument for the whole topic. Will someone ban Tramp already? I'm beginning to get incredibly pissed off with how someone points a fact that's shared throughout most of the people on the site, and yet he'll continue telling us that because he believes it's fact, it is fact.

Tramp, OK, here's the deal: You may think you know more about Transformers than everyone else on the site, but you don't. You really, really don't. All you've done in your short time here is annoy everyone and rub them the wrong way. Just stop trying already.

by **Tramp** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:33 am

Shirogoshi, I have done nothing ban-worthy, nor do I have any intention of doing so. I have been nothing but civil. Secondly, Building new Protoforms has already been proven as being only one method of creating new Cybertronians, not the only method. Please try to remember that. On top of that, only a few people don't like the idea of TransFormers being capable of some form of sexual reproduction. Many more do like the concept and do see evidence of it in TF canon. In fact, they outnumber those who don't like the concept. This whole thread is to discuss theories on how that sexual reproduction might work, not debate if it is possible or not. It is possible that they are sexually reproductive. Enough canon evidence shows this.

by **Shirogoshi** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:39 am

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!SHUT UP ALREADY!

Goddamn it, you pest, you've had your bloody say already, we get the point, your imagination tells you there's proof cartoon robots can have sex to make babies, although somethign actually needs to be stated as a fact before it's fact, and needs to be accepted by enough people!

Now, go away and troll on another board!

by **Tramp** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:53 am

Shirogoshi wrote:GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!SHUT UP ALREADY!

Goddamn it, you pest, you've had your bloody say already, we get the point, your imagination tells you there's proof cartoon robots can have sex to make babies, although somethign actually needs to be stated as a fact before it's fact, and needs to be accepted by enough people!

Now, go away and troll on another board!

Shirogoshi, I'm not the only one who has said that there is enough evidence to support it being possible, and that is all we are trying to discuss. If you choose to disbelieve it, that is perfectly fine with me. But please, let those of us who do see the evidence discuss our theories please.

by **Shirogoshi** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:58 am

STOP REPLYING TO EVERY BLOODY THING I SAY!!!!

Do you actually not know you can ignore people here, as in, you DON'T actually have to respond everytime I say something I don't want you responding to? Pretty trollish behaviour, IMO.

by **Tramp** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:21 am

Shirogoshi wrote:STOP REPLYING TO EVERY BLOODY THING I SAY!!!!

Do you actually not know you can ignore people here, as in, you DON'T actually have to respond everytime I say something I don't want you responding to? Pretty trollish behaviour, IMO.

I don't respond to everything you say, just what you say directly to me. Because it is me you are attacking, and I wish you would stop. Let's simply agree to disagree and leave it at that. IF you don't like me, and can't be civil towards me, then please don't talk to me at all. But don't tell me to shut up or leave this message board. You have every right to disagree with me. You do not have the right to tell me to shut up.

by **Shirogoshi** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:26 am

Dude, seriously, you are annoying, You are the most obnoxious, ignorant, pathetic, petty, oblivious TROLL I've ever met. You feign ignorance and claim "But I'm just here to do whatever," and yet all you do is correct people, tell peopel what to think, and act like you think you know everything. People are DRIVEN to insult you, OK? You are a pest. I've love you know how you lasted so long on Transtopia. And if you tried this bullcrap on Transformersnewzealand.com where I post a lot of the time, you'd be banned in seconds.

Poeple ask questions about their favourite cartoon/comic/toyline, and you have to break it down in a manner of "Science." Face facts: No-one cares about science, and only a complete and utter LOSER applies real life laws to kids cartoons.

by **Tramp** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:26 am

Shirogoshi, I was having a friendly discussion with other people who want to discuss theories on how TransFormers might reproduce through some form of sexual reproduction, which evidence shows might very well be possible, and you come in starting trouble and screaming on how it is impossible after repeatedly being told by others that this is not a debate over whether it is possible or not.

Now, if you can't tali to me in a civil manner without resorting to insults and piccking fights, please don't talk to me at all, and let me get back to discussing things with people who do want to talk.

by **Auto Bot** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:54 am

How are these baby robots going to grow? They'll replace parts as they grow bigger?

Since Transformers live for millions of years. Probably endless. It won't make sense to have a childhood period.

by **Deadpool.** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:30 am

Gentlemen......PEACE!!!
Freedom is the right of ALL sentient beings. Everybody's entitled to their own points of view. And it's general consensus that it's not good to impose one's view or opinion onto others. So, peace.

by **ThunderThruster** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:40 am

optronix91 wrote:Gentlemen......PEACE!!!
Freedom is the right of ALL sentient beings. Everybody's entitled to their own points of view. And it's general consensus that it's not good to impose one's view or opinion onto others. So, peace.

So why is everyone interupting this thread about the theories of TF Reproduction? Once again we are not debating whether they can or can not, but possiblities on how they could!

Those of you that do not believe that they can, please leave, and allow us to theorise without interuption!

by **Marty Rocket** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:16 am

Auto Bot wrote:How are these baby robots going to grow? They'll replace parts as they grow bigger?

Since Transformers live for millions of years. Probably endless. It won't make sense to have a childhood period.

Yeah, Auto Bot asks a pretty good question there. Although, I guess somebody could say they just reproduce a spark and put it in a body, or whatever.

Personally, I just prefere to think Transformers are built by somebody, then they get their spark (life essence, whatever) somehow.

To be honest, I stopped making theories how new Transformers are created since it's pretty much all opinion, not canon made up by any of the writers. Even then, since there are so many different Transformers continuities that there can be so many different theories to the point it just leaves me to say "...they were just built!" lol

by **Nemesis Cyberplex** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:57 pm

ThunderThruster wrote:
optronix91 wrote:Gentlemen......PEACE!!!
Freedom is the right of ALL sentient beings. Everybody's entitled to their own points of view. And it's general consensus that it's not good to impose one's view or opinion onto others. So, peace.

So why is everyone interupting this thread about the theories of TF Reproduction? Once again we are not debating whether they can or can not, but possiblities on how they could!

Those of you that do not believe that they can, please leave, and allow us to theorise without interuption!

Actually, theorizing on how it can happen is pointless unless you can first establish if it can happen.

Anyway, for myself, I'm done with this thread. Between getting in a wreck, worrying about injuries, having to buy a new car, worrying about how we
are going to pay for it, & my parents not even offereing to help, but offering plenty of b*tching about every decision involved in the process, I've got more important things to worry about than wether or not fictional alien robots f*ck.

by **Malicron** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:34 pm

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:Actually, theorizing on how it can happen is pointless unless you can first establish if it can happen.

The point of this tread is to start from the assumption that Transformers can reproduce, and move on from there.

I say nano-bots, like what make up the Beast Wars protforms. Each 'bot would contribute nanobots containing their core programming and the resultant protoform would be a combination of the two (or possibly more) 'bots program.

by **Shirogoshi** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:12 pm

Anthem of Optimus and Elita:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_wuSmutE2TA

Not BORN for loving you, MADE for loving you. Recognise.

(Yeah, so the song's neither about them, nor does it have anything to do with Transformers, but hey, if Optimus and Elita had a song, this would be it. And who doesn't love KISS?)

by **Tramp** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:46 pm

Auto Bot wrote:How are these baby robots going to grow? They'll replace parts as they grow bigger?

Since Transformers live for millions of years. Probably endless. It won't make sense to have a childhood period.

Very simple. Transformers use a self-replicating nano-machine based regenerative system, referred to in MtMtE #8 as "regenerative circuitry". This is what allows them to heal and maintains their homeostasis. It would also allow them to physically grow in size, stature, and proportion, from child to adult, no parts replacement required. They simply grow up, just like we do. All they really need to do is eat the right "foods"—not just Energon, but oil, metals, silicon, and other raw materials which would be broken down and utilized by the nanites for maintenance and growth. How long growth from infancy to adulthood would take? I don't know. Given their apparent life-span, I would hazard, a relatively long time, much longer than humans. From infancy to childhood might be relatively quick, but to fully mature, would probably take a few centuries.

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:59 pm

Lay off the weed. Theyŕe machines, not humans. These nanomachines only exist in the Dreamwave continuity. I know youŕe a novel artist, Tramp, but give your imagination a rest sometimes, eh? Otherwise you wind up fighting a losing battle which consists of a large number of us, and two of you.

And they have no infancy, since theyŕe robots, not freakin'organics. Stop trying to apply organic laws to bloody machines! Tramp, seriously, you really need a dictionary so youĺl learn what a machine is. THEY DO NOT GROW. THEY ARE NOT HUMAN. THERE IS NO MAGICAL TECHNOLOGY WHICH AGES TRANSFORMERS.

by **Tramp** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:29 pm

Damolisher wrote:Lay off the weed. Theyŕe machines, not humans. These nanomachines only exist in the Dreamwave continuity. I know youŕe a novel artist, Tramp, but give your imagination a rest sometimes, eh? Otherwise you wind up fighting a losing battle which consists of a large number of us, and two of you.

And they have no infancy, since theyŕe robots, not freakin'organics. Stop trying to apply organic laws to bloody machines! Tramp, seriously, you really need a dictionary so youĺl learn what a machine is. THEY DO NOT GROW. THEY ARE NOT HUMAN. THERE IS NO MAGICAL TECHNOLOGY WHICH AGES TRANSFORMERS.

Do you need a dictionary to know what a life form is? Whether they are mechanicla or organic is irrelelvant. They are still living beings. They are still life forms.

Secondly, to reiterate what Thunder Truster has repeatedly asked:

Thunder Thruster wrote:
optronix91 wrote:Gentlemen......PEACE!!!
Freedom is the right of ALL sentient beings. Everybody's entitled to their own points of view. And it's general consensus that it's not good to impose one's view or opinion onto others. So, peace.

So why is everyone interupting this thread about the theories of TF Reproduction? Once again we are not debating whether they can or can not, but possiblities on how they could!

Those of you that do not believe that they can, please leave, and allow us to theorise without interuption!

In otherwords, lay off trying to disprove the possibilty of TFs being reproductive. IT isn't important to this discussion and there is enough evidence to show that it is very possible that they are capable of sexual reproduction. Whether they are or not is not a part of this discussion, so please lay off.

by **Tramp** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:29 pm

Damolisher wrote:Lay off the weed. Theyŕe machines, not humans. These nanomachines only exist in the Dreamwave continuity. I know youŕe a novel artist, Tramp, but give your imagination a rest sometimes, eh? Otherwise you wind up fighting a losing battle which consists of a large number of us, and two of you.

And they have no infancy, since theyŕe robots, not freakin'organics. Stop trying to apply organic laws to bloody machines! Tramp, seriously, you really need a dictionary so youĺl learn what a machine is. THEY DO NOT GROW. THEY ARE NOT HUMAN. THERE IS NO MAGICAL TECHNOLOGY WHICH AGES TRANSFORMERS.

Do you need a dictionary to know what a life form is? Whether they are mechanicla or organic is irrelelvant. They are still living beings. They are still life forms.

Secondly, to reiterate what Thunder Truster has repeatedly asked:

Thunder Thruster wrote:
optronix91 wrote:Gentlemen......PEACE!!!
Freedom is the right of ALL sentient beings. Everybody's entitled to their own points of view. And it's general consensus that it's not good to impose one's view or opinion onto others. So, peace.

So why is everyone interupting this thread about the theories of TF Reproduction? Once again we are not debating whether they can or can not, but possiblities on how they could!

Those of you that do not believe that they can, please leave, and allow us to theorise without interuption!

In otherwords, lay off trying to disprove the possibilty of TFs being reproductive. IT isn't important to this discussion and there is enough evidence to show that it is very possible that they are capable of sexual reproduction. Whether they are or not is not a part of this discussion, so please lay off.