The Energon Pub

[ScottyP]

Oh no, not this again. Anything but this again. I can't take another year of producer and director double talk about reboots and spinoffs and what the hell ever.

We just have to accept that the movie continuity is broken and no one working on these cares to fix it.

[Deadput]

Surprised no one has pointed out that if there's an scourge in this, compete with Predacons, maybe they're adapting a little of RiD 2001 (this is a joke)

You jest, but Ben Yee described his robot mode as resembling a cross between Cybertron Scourge and Prime Predaking, but also with smokestacks that may or may not suggest a truck altmode.

I like the idea of this Scourge having a beastial type robot mode but doesn't transform into a beast mode but instead turns into a black truck like Rid Scourge

That was the whole shtick of the RID 2015 Decepticons, did you dig that too?

I didn't like the lack of variety with almost every Decepticon going that route and not every design was great but I did like a good amount of the Decepticon designs in RID,

Steeljaw and Thunderhoof are great characters in my opinion and that's just the top of my mind, I even liked the Lobster (Bisk) and Crab (Clampdown) characters but probably not in anything outside of that show.

[LinaNui]

I really hate how I keep hearing that they are going to show us why Prime is the way he is, in a movie in 1994. Prime is millions of years old and has been fighting the war for a long time. No way he is going to be changing so much right now. I wish they would just stop trying to connect these new movies to the first 5. Because they keep doing this they are ruining there new movies and the old ones.

[Deadput]

I really hate how I keep hearing that they are going to show us why Prime is the way he is, in a movie in 1994. Prime is millions of years old and has been fighting the war for a long time. No way he is going to be changing so much right now. I wish they would just stop trying to connect these new movies to the first 5. Because they keep doing this they are ruining there new movies and the old ones.

In this entire franchise the millions year war in regards to age has almost never factored into character development


ever


Otherwise the "young" characters such as Bumblebee wouldn't need any reason to go through their arcs, everybody would be an Alpha Trion or Kup, etc, nor would they act much like humans since living for millions of years would result in a living being so unlike any currently living human.

Honestly one of the best part of the Bay film "continuity" is that one could view the modern Autobots and Decepticons as only thousands of years old with the war not being that old, while we still had some ancient characters here and there but in their cases none of them had anything to do with the modern Autobots/Decepticons until the events of the movies they were in.

[Rodimus Prime]

Definitely should have gotten a better director.

[Munkky]

We just have to accept that the movie continuity is broken and no one working on these cares to fix it.

Just have John Barber write a couple of prequel comic books, I'm sure he can work something out.

[william-james88]

Definitely should have gotten a better director.

He's just reciting whatever paramount said, there's this real intent with lying that Optimus Prime is the same in the cartoon and in the films, even Peter Cullen says it routinely that the are the same. They just don't want to alienate anyone, but in the end the film will be it's own thing (as Bumblebee was). This director actually has a vision and is making the project personal, that's enough for me to be interested. I think we should reserve a little bit of judgment until we see more of the film.

Anyways, I found an amazing quote by someone over at TFW, regarding the handling of continuity in the Bayverse:

Frankly, you can't fit the Bayverse into the Bayverse. The Cybertronians found Earth because of the Allspark, but also the Decepticons were going to rendezvous here with Sentinel Prime, and also they had been here for millennia building Solar Harvesters into pyramids and whatnot, except that the Autobots arrived in 2007, but also have been here for centuries and fought in World War II.

Like, what the ****.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Otherwise the "young" characters such as Bumblebee wouldn't need any reason to go through their arcs, everybody would be an Alpha Trion or Kup, etc, nor would they act much like humans since living for millions of years would result in a living being so unlike any currently living human.

100% this. This is where the humanising thing falls flat. Because anything living for millions of years wouldn't act like us. Also they've never really explored the time scale beyond signifying it as a big number. If the Civil War raged for millions of years and Alpha Trion, Kup etc were already "old", how old are they? What is a natural Cybertronian lifespan? What does the flow of time mean to them?

Big existential questions like this of course, don't bring in the box office.

So "War" (simple concept) happened a really, really long time ago but the alien robots that have waged it have no cultural identity of their own. So they decide to mimic the behaviours of a species that is very much beneath them on a physical, evolutionary and mental level. Like people befriending ants.

Also, even though the war has been waged by both sides equally, the Autobots aren't equally as aggressive, capable and ruthless as the Decepticons. Because, that is how the canonical millennia long stalemate would work in a Civil War.

AKA guffaws, explosions and pew, pews.

[ZeroWolf]

Otherwise the "young" characters such as Bumblebee wouldn't need any reason to go through their arcs, everybody would be an Alpha Trion or Kup, etc, nor would they act much like humans since living for millions of years would result in a living being so unlike any currently living human.

100% this. This is where the humanising thing falls flat. Because anything living for millions of years wouldn't act like us. Also they've never really explored the time scale beyond signifying it as a big number. If the Civil War raged for millions of years and Alpha Trion, Kup etc were already "old", how old are they? What is a natural Cybertronian lifespan? What does the flow of time mean to them?

Big existential questions like this of course, don't bring in the box office.

So "War" (simple concept) happened a really, really long time ago but the alien robots that have waged it have no cultural identity of their own. So they decide to mimic the behaviours of a species that is very much beneath them on a physical, evolutionary and mental level. Like people befriending ants.

Also, even though the war has been waged by both sides equally, the Autobots aren't equally as aggressive, capable and ruthless as the Decepticons. Because, that is how the canonical millennia long stalemate would work in a Civil War.

AKA guffaws, explosions and pew, pews.

And all that we can lay at the feet at 80s Marvel

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Indeed.

Nearly 40 years on, Transformers should be so much more than that by now. Sigh

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

As someone who thinks the Bayverse is the best thing in Transformers, I’m ok with this being it’s own thing. I think the first 3 Bay movies work together nicely, but things get real screwy after that in terms of continuity. While I do enjoy watching all the Bay movies and the first few fight scenes in BB, it’s those first 3 Bay movies that I consider “canon”, and future films trying to adhere to that timeline will probably only skew the continuity even more.

I will say that I really appreciate the references to the Bayverse though, like Bumblebee’s head design in BB and the Camaro he scans at the end.

[That_Guy]

Maybe I'm weird (ok there's truth to that). I find that with all of Bayverse with its plot holes, retcons and what not. They took a large aspect from Generation One and applied it to the movies as well. I mean how many times was that an issue in the series (granted it was to sell toys)

Constructicons were created on Earth, yet had a rivalry with Omega Supreme and even built Megatron.
Characters after the fact they were killed off, yet show up later in series three.
Starscream while friends with Skyfire was in his F-15 form and not Triangular.

Granted a lot of this was errors on the art part.....but hey, sounds like they threw that in Bayverse as well

I see Bayverse as it is, an opening to where we got more media and action figures from different eras more so than before they made the Movies.

[Solrac333]

YAY! And BOO! Just reboot it. I'm actually not excited for the movie or the Netflix series.

[WiseMan]

1994, huh? So I wonder how long it took for Optimus to download the entire English language from the "Worldwide Web" (as he mentions in the first movie) with a 56K modem?

[Rodimus Prime]

They just don't want to alienate anyone, but in the end the film will be it's own thing (as Bumblebee was). This director actually has a vision and is making the project personal, that's enough for me to be interested. I think we should reserve a little bit of judgment until we see more of the film.

I'm making my judgment on both what I've read so far about this new movie and the director's past work. Both are underwhelming. His only decent job was Creed II and that was because he had Ryan Coogler and Sylvester Stallone holding his hand. And from what I have seen so far about this new movie, regardless of where it comes from, is very discouraging. Of course, this all just a matter of opinion, if this appeals to you, that's your choice. For me, this will end up as something to pass time on a rainy day, just like Bumblebee was. And that movie was disappointing as well. It's the only TF movie I saw only once. The TF action and story was fine, but there were way too many humans and their interactions. And this new film looks the same, with 90s hip-hop garbage thrown all over it. And my guess is the Beasts will be in it for a fraction of the story, used as a plot device to trick more people into seeing it. Like you said, they don't want to alienate anyone. So they make it mediocre for everyone.

[ZeroWolf]

1994, huh? So I wonder how long it took for Optimus to download the entire English language from the "Worldwide Web" (as he mentions in the first movie) with a 56K modem?

Hot Rod didn't need to do that in The Last Knight

[WiseMan]

Hot Rod didn't need to do that in The Last Knight

At this point the continuity of the Bayverse is so bad that I think the entire Tyran cluster takes place inside the Unicron Singularity.

[ScottyP]

We just have to accept that the movie continuity is broken and no one working on these cares to fix it.

Just have John Barber write a couple of prequel comic books, I'm sure he can work something out.

Well, he tried a little with Bumblebee, then they changed the movie's intro late in production (or so it's been said) and it made that entire prequel impossible from the moment the movie came out

[TulioDude]

1994, huh? So I wonder how long it took for Optimus to download the entire English language from the "Worldwide Web" (as he mentions in the first movie) with a 56K modem?

Hot Rod didn't need to do that in The Last Knight

Of course not,he is french!



Day 541 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news

[william-james88]

1994, huh? So I wonder how long it took for Optimus to download the entire English language from the "Worldwide Web" (as he mentions in the first movie) with a 56K modem?

Hot Rod didn't need to do that in The Last Knight

Of course not,he is french!

"He's not french, he just likes the accent"

[william-james88]

Oh no, not this again. Anything but this again. I can't take another year of producer and director double talk about reboots and spinoffs and what the hell ever.

We just have to accept that the movie continuity is broken and no one working on these cares to fix it.

I dont plan on covering more of the back and forth like last time, but I liked this article since it laid bare what Ryan was saying for a while about how non committal Paramount and Hasbro are about this whole live action universe. Going forth, it's within the TF universe Bay shaped but the director can do almost anything he wants, continuity be damned.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

To me, as long as the film can stand on its own from a narrative perspective, that's all that really matters.

[william-james88]

I hope you are ready because from here on out, there will be coverage for the upcoming 7th live action Transformers film right up until release, and then some. Today, we have news of the name the film will have in Japan and China. In Japan, the title translates to Transformers: Beast Awakening and in China, the title translates to Transformers: Super Warriors Rise. Both logos can be seen below. We also have news that the Moving Picture Company will be doing the special effects for Transformers: Rise Of The Beasts (what we are calling it in English). They are usually tasked with doing CG effects for films with animals so this works with the mentions that the beasts will have some organic aspects to them, like fur and wings, while still being robotic in nature in both modes. They are very excited about this project and are currently hiring for the film. You can find the recruitment message on LinkedIn.

Also for all the Lorenzo Di Bonaventura fans, he made a video for China, on Weibo, announcing the film. You can view the video here.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I am morbidly curious to see the "beasts" in motion.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

OK, time to finally jump into the new movie talk.

First up, and most importantly for me, Scourge sounds frikkin BADASS. I love the sounds of him! He sounds like ever Scourge ever, G1, RiD2001, Cybertron, all rolled into one. I love the concept. I want to see him!

Beasts are neat, glad they are finally going live action. Rhinox and Primal sound really cool, I am excited to see them.

Offroad Camaro Bee sounds great!

Nightbird is a neat thing.

I don't care that Mirage is a Porsche, he sounds pretty cool too!

The concept of the movie is kinda muddled, but I am excited by what I'm hearing. Lots of cool concepts, now it's time to see them come together.

overall, I am excited. This news has excited me