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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby cloudballoon » Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:54 pm

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cloudballoon wrote:We had promotional poster reveals for the CHUG mainline every year for over a decade, with or without an accompanying show around early Octobers. What do we have for AOTP? Just a logo reveal iirc. Is this non-marketing strategy a means to introduce some mystique to the 13th? Is this winning over fans new & old in anticipation for the line?
The reason we already know such much about this line at this time is because of the leakers. Legacy United still isn't done yet, as there's still one more wave of Deluxes, Voyagers, and Leaders that has yet to be released as of this typing. Officially-speaking, we weren't supposed to know as much about this line as we already do at this point, and wouldn't have known as much if it hadn't been for the leakers spoiling so much about the line several months in advance of Hasbro's schedule of official announcements and reveals for it. The original leaks for this line were unprecedented in how early and how abundant they were in giving things away about this line so far ahead of Hasbro's official plans for it. We've been spoiled, and consequently those early spoilers have made us impatient and restless for something we were yet supposed to know so much about.


I get that the focus on the 13 Primes for '25 was leaked waaaaaaaaaaay early (back in Feb?) even of we didn't know the official name yet. But the toyline posters (with hints of possible characters) for the next year's toylines usually happened around early Octobers iirc since Siege if not earlier. But we're almost in December now and we still haven't seen the poster (which is also featured on one side/back of product package), that's why I wonder about the intentional "non" marketing material being a strategy to build up the mystique of the Primes.

We should have something like this about a month ago during Pulsecon:

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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:02 pm

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cloudballoon wrote:I get that the focus on the 13 Primes for '25 was leaked waaaaaaaaaaay early (back in Feb?) even of we didn't know the official name yet. But the toyline posters (with hints of possible characters) for the next year's toylines usually happened around early Octobers iirc since Siege if not earlier. But we're almost in December now and we still haven't seen the poster (which is also featured on one side/back of product package), that's why I wonder about the intentional "non" marketing material being a strategy to build up the mystique of the Primes.

We should have something like this about a month ago during Pulsecon:

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It's also because Legacy United got an extension with another wave.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby cloudballoon » Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:10 pm

Sabrblade wrote:It's also because Legacy United got an extension with another wave.


Ah I see. So we're seeing the poster in a month or two then. I didn't pay much attention to wave # when I PO my Ramjet. Amazon Canada had it as a March 12, '25 release. So AOTP will be start around June I guess...
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Emerje » Tue Nov 26, 2024 12:56 am

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First Look at Armada Red Alert Robot Mode from Transformers Age of the Primes

Postby Glyph » Tue Nov 26, 2024 7:39 am

Via @CsbiaoO_ again, here are some new pictures of the AOTP Armada Red Alert test shot, giving us our first look at the figure in robot mode (still minus the head).

He's shown standing next to Legacy United Silverbolt (Voyager) and next to the AOTP Prima test shot, so this also gives us a relative size reference for them. Quite a difference given that they're both listed as Voyager class in the waves leak!

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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Overcracker » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:29 am

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Looks o.k, yeah kind of short, but when most of the mass ends up on your back and your legs have to fit under the car mode, its kind of hard to be any bigger.

Also, seems like o'l Alert does not skip thigh day, like... at all.


Disappointing the chest does not open, at all. I was not expecting a disc launching gimmick, but some hinges and a molded slot would have been nice.

I'll keep my original one, and skip this one I think, unless the final colored version is really, really good looking.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Glyph » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:35 am

Comparing against the figures in the back, it looks like he's pretty close in height to Siege/Earthrise Megatron if I'm seeing it correctly. So I think really it's Prima who's very tall for his class - he does seem to have lot of hollow space so I guess it must more or less balance out on plastic.
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Re: First Look at Armada Red Alert Robot Mode from Transformers Age of the Primes

Postby william-james88 » Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:44 pm

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Glyph wrote:Via @CsbiaoO_ again, here are some new pictures of the AOTP Armada Red Alert test shot, giving us our first look at the figure in robot mode (still minus the head).

He's shown standing next to Legacy United Silverbolt (Voyager) and next to the AOTP Prima test shot, so this also gives us a relative size reference for them. Quite a difference given that they're both listed as Voyager class in the waves leak!

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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby cloudballoon » Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:44 pm

Not seeing the value of a Voyager class figure yet. It's about SS86 Ironhide/Ratchet's height, but nowhere near their complexity from the look of it - it's about as involved as a typical car to bot transformation. Give us a good Minicon Longarm then that should make this worth it.

But, I'll probably get this anyway as I want to complete my main 3 Armada autobot, then I just wish to see Demolishor. That's the only design left that I want in Armada.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:49 pm

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cloudballoon wrote:Not seeing the value of a Voyager class figure yet. It's about SS86 Ironhide/Ratchet's height, but nowhere near their complexity from the look of it - it's about as involved as a typical car to bot transformation. Give us a good Minicon Longarm then that should make this worth it.

But, I'll probably get this anyway as I want to complete my main 3 Armada autobot, then I just wish to see Demolishor. That's the only design left that I want in Armada.
It looks like this figure is going for cartoon-accurate scale, in which Red Alert was taller than Hot Shot but didn't tower over him nearly as much as the original toys did.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Glyph » Tue Nov 26, 2024 8:40 pm

Ooooh... new gallery & commentary for AOTP Megatronus / The Fallen from Mark Maher! (Instagram link, via TFW2005)

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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby cloudballoon » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:04 pm

Sabrblade wrote:It looks like this figure is going for cartoon-accurate scale, in which Red Alert was taller than Hot Shot but didn't tower over him nearly as much as the original toys did.


I like the toon-accurate size, just not its Voyager price. It's kind on like Earthrise Trailbreaker/Hoist - near "Voyager" size but simple "Deluxe" transformation. Unlike Hot Rod where he's "Deluxe" size with complex engineering and came with good number of accessories that's worth the Voyager price (at least I can't imagine it could've been been done with Deluxe budget). What make this Red Alert worth the Voyager price without packing with a Minicon?

I do hold a bit of hope though, as I saw there's an minicon peg in alt mode. Though why it's in the back and not on the hood/bonnet where the 5mm hole is now like the OG toy is beyond me, but I guess DOES make sense if it comes with Longarm and it converts into a towing crane. I'd love to be happily surprised!
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:51 pm

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Glyph wrote:Ooooh... new gallery & commentary for AOTP Megatronus / The Fallen from Mark Maher! (Instagram link, via TFW2005)

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Mark seems to be implying that all of the non-Prime toys in the line (like Armada Red Alert and such) are supposed to be direct bloodline descendants of the 13 Primes themselves.

New lore: The Well of Sparks was created by the 13 uniting all of their artifacts together. No more "Murdered Girl Prime melts down to become Cybertron's babymaker."

Mister Meg T. Fallen's staff is the Spark Fuser instead of the Void Scepter.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Glyph » Wed Nov 27, 2024 6:20 am

Sabrblade wrote:Mark seems to be implying that all of the non-Prime toys in the line (like Armada Red Alert and such) are supposed to be direct bloodline descendants of the 13 Primes themselves.

New lore: The Well of Sparks was created by the 13 uniting all of their artifacts together. No more "Murdered Girl Prime melts down to become Cybertron's babymaker."

Mister Meg T. Fallen's staff is the Spark Fuser instead of the Void Scepter.

Good spot on the staff, I missed that.

Bloodline lore is meh, I assume that'll be valid for the duration of the AOTP line and retconned at will by other media later on. (And will come with own set of issues in the meantime, I'm sure.)

It's good to see an update to the founding lore - even if it gets a bit close to "unite the planet keys!"-type McGuffinery that could maybe factor into a "collect the artifacts" idea sometime in the future? - to cancel out one of Aligned's ickier additions. Can't remember, was that a Furmanism originally?
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Glyph » Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:28 am

Looks like we have a first look at Prima's head, from another test shot showing up on Baidu. As with the rest of the design, the head looks quite different from previous iterations of Prima and features an elaborate crown-like upper section.

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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Glyph » Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:30 am

Kind of interesting to me that the face & lower helmet have a classic G1 Megatron bucket look to them, versus the Optimus-style helmet from TFOne. Because of the sharp lines I did go back and check the Geoff Senior original version from the Marvel comic, but aside from the chin plate there's no real resemblance there either.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:57 am

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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Glyph » Wed Nov 27, 2024 11:02 am

Yeah, I know what the term normally means, but somewhat poor approaches to gender have been kind of a cliché for him too. I figured "was that a Furman addition" was clear...
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Nov 27, 2024 11:16 am

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Glyph wrote:Yeah, I know what the term normally means, but somewhat poor approaches to gender have been kind of a cliché for him too. I figured "was that a Furman addition" was clear...
Furman had no hand in any Aligned media. He wasn't writing for Transformers at the time.

"Solus --> Well" was done by the author of the Covenant of Primus book, Justina Robson.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Glyph » Wed Nov 27, 2024 11:30 am

OK, cheers. I was a bit out of the deep fandom around that time and lose track of where the threads came together for Aligned/Covenant stuff.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Glyph » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:05 pm

Glyph wrote:Image

Kind of interesting to me that the face & lower helmet have a classic G1 Megatron bucket look to them

Speaking of Megatron(s), I was staring at his upper lip because the mouth shape looked a little weird and it started looking like a moustache and now all I can see is Soun Tendo staring out of a bucket helmet.

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Postby Sabrblade » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:09 pm

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It's the "Powerful Robot" from "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4".
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Glyph » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:51 pm

Ah, you're right. Nicely updated and embellished, but clearly the biggest design inspiration.

I always forget about that guy, because my brain refuses to process that image as anything other than Cyclonus.
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First Look at a Transformers Prima' G1 Sunbow Inspired Headsculpt

Postby william-james88 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:44 pm

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After getting images of headless test samples of Transformers Age of the Primes Prima, we finally have a test shot that includes the head. It first showed up on on Baidu. Unlike the body, which was inspired by the Alligned Continuity design, the head is an homage to a character from the G1 Episode, "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4". This character was known as "Powerful Robot" and shared Cyclonus' body, but was later retconned to be "G1" Prima.

Now we know that there are at least 2 different heads on the same spru when making the toy, so with this being a test, we don't know if this is the head Prima will have at retail or a second head to be used for a G1 inspired redeco.

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