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Emerje wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:But can they put up to the abuse of a child just introduced to transformers? I wouldn't put it pasta 7 year old to throw them off his bed lazily, saying they'll be fine.

There's an actual test performed on all toys called a drop test to make sure they either don't break or if they do break they don't leave sharp edges when dropped from a height that a child might drop them from under normal play. Some toys have reportedly failed this test and will never be reissued outside Japan (Fortress Maximus) while Hasbro likes to implement "made to break" into their toys so things like hinges and ball joints just pop off and back on rather than snap. It's not easy making toys for kids, there's a lot of safety concerns that are taken into consideration first.

Emerje

There's a reason WFC is suggested 8+

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:But can they put up to the abuse of a child just introduced to transformers? I wouldn't put it pasta 7 year old to throw them off his bed lazily, saying they'll be fine.

There's an actual test performed on all toys called a drop test to make sure they either don't break or if they do break they don't leave sharp edges when dropped from a height that a child might drop them from under normal play. Some toys have reportedly failed this test and will never be reissued outside Japan (Fortress Maximus) while Hasbro likes to implement "made to break" into their toys so things like hinges and ball joints just pop off and back on rather than snap. It's not easy making toys for kids, there's a lot of safety concerns that are taken into consideration first.

Emerje

There's a reason WFC is suggested 8+

Yes, because Hasbro decided they should be to fit their arbitrary division of figures into age classes rather than safety reasons. Prior to the Combiner Wars line Generations figures were 5+ and nothing changed parts and safety wise.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:But can they put up to the abuse of a child just introduced to transformers? I wouldn't put it pasta 7 year old to throw them off his bed lazily, saying they'll be fine.

There's an actual test performed on all toys called a drop test to make sure they either don't break or if they do break they don't leave sharp edges when dropped from a height that a child might drop them from under normal play. Some toys have reportedly failed this test and will never be reissued outside Japan (Fortress Maximus) while Hasbro likes to implement "made to break" into their toys so things like hinges and ball joints just pop off and back on rather than snap. It's not easy making toys for kids, there's a lot of safety concerns that are taken into consideration first.

Emerje

Hasbro precised a few years ago that currently (well then) drop tests are only done on figures with flying alt modes.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:But can they put up to the abuse of a child just introduced to transformers? I wouldn't put it pasta 7 year old to throw them off his bed lazily, saying they'll be fine.

There's an actual test performed on all toys called a drop test to make sure they either don't break or if they do break they don't leave sharp edges when dropped from a height that a child might drop them from under normal play. Some toys have reportedly failed this test and will never be reissued outside Japan (Fortress Maximus) while Hasbro likes to implement "made to break" into their toys so things like hinges and ball joints just pop off and back on rather than snap. It's not easy making toys for kids, there's a lot of safety concerns that are taken into consideration first.

Emerje

There's a reason WFC is suggested 8+

It's unrelated to difficulty and only about marketability. The cyberverse deluxes are as complex and are 6+

william-james88 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:But can they put up to the abuse of a child just introduced to transformers? I wouldn't put it pasta 7 year old to throw them off his bed lazily, saying they'll be fine.

There's an actual test performed on all toys called a drop test to make sure they either don't break or if they do break they don't leave sharp edges when dropped from a height that a child might drop them from under normal play. Some toys have reportedly failed this test and will never be reissued outside Japan (Fortress Maximus) while Hasbro likes to implement "made to break" into their toys so things like hinges and ball joints just pop off and back on rather than snap. It's not easy making toys for kids, there's a lot of safety concerns that are taken into consideration first.

Emerje

There's a reason WFC is suggested 8+

It's unrelated to difficulty and only about marketability. The cyberverse deluxes are as complex and are 6+

Cyberverse is slightly more simple, even the deluxe.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:
Cyberverse is slightly more simple, even the deluxe.

The deluxes are on par with WFC in difficulty. Some are even more complicated like Deluxe Slug that got me stumped a few times. That transformation was full of unexpected twists and turns making it a challenge without instructions.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:But can they put up to the abuse of a child just introduced to transformers? I wouldn't put it pasta 7 year old to throw them off his bed lazily, saying they'll be fine.

There's an actual test performed on all toys called a drop test to make sure they either don't break or if they do break they don't leave sharp edges when dropped from a height that a child might drop them from under normal play. Some toys have reportedly failed this test and will never be reissued outside Japan (Fortress Maximus) while Hasbro likes to implement "made to break" into their toys so things like hinges and ball joints just pop off and back on rather than snap. It's not easy making toys for kids, there's a lot of safety concerns that are taken into consideration first.

Emerje

There's a reason WFC is suggested 8+

It's unrelated to difficulty and only about marketability. The cyberverse deluxes are as complex and are 6+

Cyberverse is slightly more simple, even the deluxe.

No the are not, please enough with the misinformation.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:
Cyberverse is slightly more simple, even the deluxe.

The deluxes are on par with WFC in difficulty. Some are even more complicated like Deluxe Slug that got me stumped a few times. That transformation was full of unexpected twists and turns making it a challenge without instructions.

Well, I only have the Prime....
But they ARE behind in updating articulation. Yes they have ankle tilt, but there are much ball joints due to the "shape" of cyberverse charecters.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:
Cyberverse is slightly more simple, even the deluxe.

The deluxes are on par with WFC in difficulty. Some are even more complicated like Deluxe Slug that got me stumped a few times. That transformation was full of unexpected twists and turns making it a challenge without instructions.

Well, I only have the Prime....
But they ARE behind in updating articulation. Yes they have ankle tilt, but there are much ball joints due to the "shape" of cyberverse charecters.

I really would not call the use of a ball joint "behind in updated articulation".

And I would argue that Cyberverse deluxe Bumblebee, Megatron, Arcee, and Slug are actually better than their Siege/ER/SS86 releases.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:
Cyberverse is slightly more simple, even the deluxe.

The deluxes are on par with WFC in difficulty. Some are even more complicated like Deluxe Slug that got me stumped a few times. That transformation was full of unexpected twists and turns making it a challenge without instructions.

Well, I only have the Prime....
But they ARE behind in updating articulation. Yes they have ankle tilt, but there are much ball joints due to the "shape" of cyberverse charecters.

I really would not call the use of a ball joint "behind in updated articulation".

And I would argue that Cyberverse deluxe Bumblebee, Megatron, Arcee, and Slug are actually better than their Siege/ER/SS86 releases.

Add Prowl to that list.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:
Cyberverse is slightly more simple, even the deluxe.

The deluxes are on par with WFC in difficulty. Some are even more complicated like Deluxe Slug that got me stumped a few times. That transformation was full of unexpected twists and turns making it a challenge without instructions.

Well, I only have the Prime....
But they ARE behind in updating articulation. Yes they have ankle tilt, but there are much ball joints due to the "shape" of cyberverse charecters.

I really would not call the use of a ball joint "behind in updated articulation".

And I would argue that Cyberverse deluxe Bumblebee, Megatron, Arcee, and Slug are actually better than their Siege/ER/SS86 releases.

Add Prowl to that list.

Knew I forgot one.

If only Prowl wasn't the rarest Cyberverse Deluxe out there. Then he wouldn't have been so hard to find.

Sabrblade wrote:If only Prowl wasn't the rarest Cyberverse Deluxe out there. Then he wouldn't have been so hard to find.

Also something interesting is the fact that no Cyberverse deluxe got a repaint. We had a seeker mold and a datsun mold, but no repaints. i feel like that has to be some sort of record.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Also something interesting is the fact that no Cyberverse deluxe got a repaint. We had a seeker mold and a datsun mold, but no repaints. i feel like that has to be some sort of record.

Sabrblade wrote:If only Prowl wasn't the rarest Cyberverse Deluxe out there. Then he wouldn't have been so hard to find.

They are all overpriced on Ebay, any cyberverse deluxe sells Voyager price.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:If only Prowl wasn't the rarest Cyberverse Deluxe out there. Then he wouldn't have been so hard to find.

They are all overpriced on Ebay, any cyberverse deluxe sells Voyager price.

You call that "overpriced"?
Are you new to this hobby?

I skipped on a "scout" DOTM Guzzle because it was it's full 10$CAN at Walmart because I was waiting for a sale. Then I never saw it ever again. Counting shipping, I can't get one for below LEADER price now.

Also if you don't count exclusives, normal retail figures that are not that old can sell for double, triple, or even 10 times the price.
Any CW fans who miss a limb bot to complete their combiner and want LEGIT stuff are in for PAIN... Unless like me, they have a local geek store who still sell those CW limbs at retail prices.

Oh, and don't get me started on G1.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:If only Prowl wasn't the rarest Cyberverse Deluxe out there. Then he wouldn't have been so hard to find.

They are all overpriced on Ebay, any cyberverse deluxe sells Voyager price.

You call that "overpriced"?
Are you new to this hobby?

I skipped on a "scout" DOTM Guzzle because it was it's full 10$CAN at Walmart because I was waiting for a sale. Then I never saw it ever again. Counting shipping, I can't get one for below LEADER price now.

Also if you don't count exclusives, normal retail figures that are not that old can sell for double, triple, or even 10 times the price.
Any CW fans who miss a limb bot to complete their combiner and want LEGIT stuff are in for PAIN... Unless like me, they have a local geek store who still sell those CW limbs at retail prices.

Oh, and don't get me started on G1.

Hey, I know about scalpers. It still sucks, no excuse!

And I guess I'm technically new to collecting, but I'll for sure quit in a few years. I'm not one of those that buys figures just because they exist.

Sabrblade wrote:If only Prowl wasn't the rarest Cyberverse Deluxe out there. Then he wouldn't have been so hard to find.

He was hard to find?
huh ... have to check K-Mart later, might still be one floating around there.

Burn wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:If only Prowl wasn't the rarest Cyberverse Deluxe out there. Then he wouldn't have been so hard to find.

He was hard to find?
huh ... have to check K-Mart later, might still be one floating around there.

Says the man whose country still has a retail chain that went virtually extinct in the United States years ago.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Hey, I know about scalpers. It still sucks, no excuse!

"Scalping" is a term only valid for things that just came out or are technically available on store shelves. Worst victims are badly distributed exclusives of desirable characters. But pass a certain timeframe, it just become the secondary market.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:And I guess I'm technically new to collecting, but I'll for sure quit in a few years. I'm not one of those that buys figures just because they exist.

We ALL said that at some point... And years (or decades) later, here we still are.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Hey, I know about scalpers. It still sucks, no excuse!

"Scalping" is a term only valid for things that just came out or are technically available on store shelves. Worst victims are badly distributed exclusives of desirable characters. But pass a certain timeframe, it just become the secondary market.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:And I guess I'm technically new to collecting, but I'll for sure quit in a few years. I'm not one of those that buys figures just because they exist.

We ALL said that at some point... And years (or decades) later, here we still are.

After saying THAT......I might as well get a sign from God that I should sell my collection and forget transformers completely.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:After saying THAT......I might as well get a sign from God that I should sell my collection and forget transformers completely.

Until something lure you right back in.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:After saying THAT......I might as well get a sign from God that I should sell my collection and forget transformers completely.

Until something lure you right back in.

I could stop checking the news, and notifications can be turned off. But if I was handed a few 100 dollars right now, I'd buy my last figures and quit.

-Kanrabat- wrote:"Scalping" is a term only valid for things that just came out or are technically available on store shelves. Worst victims are badly distributed exclusives of desirable characters. But pass a certain timeframe, it just become the secondary market.

uh.. nope

Scalping is the term used to describe someone who buys something in low supply and resells it for a higher price to make profit.

https://4chantoy.fandom.com/wiki/Toy_Scalping

I dont give two shits if it is off 4 chan as it is an accurate description. If you buy something with the intent to sell at a higher price you are a scalper dick-bag. I opened ebay before Cosmos became available on pulse and searched for him, got a couple hits then watched pulse again, as soon as it became available and sold out I went back to ebay, lo and behold there suddenly popped up TONS of pre-orders for prices WAY higher than pulse was selling for. scalpers.

https://abc7news.com/holiday-shopping-p ... s/7582929/

Scalping is anyone that buys something at retail hot or not to make a profit off of it period.

Cyber Bishop wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:"Scalping" is a term only valid for things that just came out or are technically available on store shelves. Worst victims are badly distributed exclusives of desirable characters. But pass a certain timeframe, it just become the secondary market.

uh.. nope

Scalping is the term used to describe someone who buys something in low supply and resells it for a higher price to make profit.

https://4chantoy.fandom.com/wiki/Toy_Scalping

I dont give two shits if it is off 4 chan as it is an accurate description. If you buy something with the intent to sell at a higher price you are a scalper dick-bag. I opened ebay before Cosmos became available on pulse and searched for him, got a couple hits then watched pulse again, as soon as it became available and sold out I went back to ebay, lo and behold there suddenly popped up TONS of pre-orders for prices WAY higher than pulse was selling for. scalpers.

https://abc7news.com/holiday-shopping-p ... s/7582929/

Scalping is anyone that buys something at retail hot or not to make a profit off of it period.

Sure. But Scalping is not selling a 3 year old toy, that is no longer being distributed, on eBay at secondary market price. Which is what Rodimus Ukraine was referencing.

I 100% agree with your definition though as it would give further credence that anyone who calls out scalping on Haslab projects would be wrong in doing so. Since the supply if those toys was literally the demand of the time.