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Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I believe most (if not all) Legacy reveals have been leaked, and there are no other Insecticons for 2022. Probably 1 per year over the next 3 years unfortunately. I really hope though that they do some extensive retools to make Deluxe Insecticons, even if they are Selects releases.

Previously Legends Class

Shrapnel was released in T30 (2014)
Bombshell in CW (2015) * This is the only one I have because of his "fan mode" Gun he can be for a Combiner
Chop Shop in CW (2016)
Kickback in TR (2017)
T30 Shrapnel was re-released in PotP (2018)

WFC Trilogy had NO Insecticons, which is fine, all the more time to get the updates as nice as possible.

o.supreme wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I believe most (if not all) Legacy reveals have been leaked, and there are no other Insecticons for 2022. Probably 1 per year over the next 3 years unfortunately. I really hope though that they do some extensive retools to make Deluxe Insecticons, even if they are Selects releases.

Previously Legends Class

Shrapnel was released in T30 (2014)
Bombshell in CW (2015) * This is the only one I have because of his "fan mode" Gun he can be for a Combiner
Chop Shop in CW (2016)
Kickback in TR (2017)
T30 Shrapnel was re-released in PotP (2018)

WFC Trilogy had NO Insecticons, which is fine, all the more time to get the updates as nice as possible.

I think there's a rumour saying there's a repaint of Kickback as Ransack coming out in a Worlds Collide style four-pack. It seemed lazy at first, but then I checked out the G1 Ransack toy on youtube, and honestly he transforms mostly the same as Kickback

Rtron wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I believe most (if not all) Legacy reveals have been leaked, and there are no other Insecticons for 2022. Probably 1 per year over the next 3 years unfortunately. I really hope though that they do some extensive retools to make Deluxe Insecticons, even if they are Selects releases.

Previously Legends Class

Shrapnel was released in T30 (2014)
Bombshell in CW (2015) * This is the only one I have because of his "fan mode" Gun he can be for a Combiner
Chop Shop in CW (2016)
Kickback in TR (2017)
T30 Shrapnel was re-released in PotP (2018)

WFC Trilogy had NO Insecticons, which is fine, all the more time to get the updates as nice as possible.

I think there's a rumour saying there's a repaint of Kickback as Ransack coming out in a Worlds Collide style four-pack. It seemed lazy at first, but then I checked out the G1 Ransack toy on youtube, and honestly he transforms mostly the same as Kickback

We can't say Hasbro makes Insecticons without the Deluxe ones in mind: first Chop shop out of T30 Shrapnel, then of all bugs Venom out of CW Bombshell which ended up unused. I can see history repeating here.

I'm perfectly happy with my Legends Insecticons, even better if Ransack does get made out of Legacy Kickback he'll scale to them like the G1 originals did.

btw Doesn't G1 Cartoon Menasor use an exo-skeleton, like on the outside, instead of an endo-skeleton like us humans?

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Rtron wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I believe most (if not all) Legacy reveals have been leaked, and there are no other Insecticons for 2022. Probably 1 per year over the next 3 years unfortunately. I really hope though that they do some extensive retools to make Deluxe Insecticons, even if they are Selects releases.

Previously Legends Class

Shrapnel was released in T30 (2014)
Bombshell in CW (2015) * This is the only one I have because of his "fan mode" Gun he can be for a Combiner
Chop Shop in CW (2016)
Kickback in TR (2017)
T30 Shrapnel was re-released in PotP (2018)

WFC Trilogy had NO Insecticons, which is fine, all the more time to get the updates as nice as possible.

I think there's a rumour saying there's a repaint of Kickback as Ransack coming out in a Worlds Collide style four-pack. It seemed lazy at first, but then I checked out the G1 Ransack toy on youtube, and honestly he transforms mostly the same as Kickback

We can't say Hasbro makes Insecticons without the Deluxe ones in mind: first Chop shop out of T30 Shrapnel, then of all bugs Venom out of CW Bombshell which ended up unused. I can see history repeating here.

I'm perfectly happy with my Legends Insecticons, even better if Ransack does get made out of Legacy Kickback he'll scale to them like the G1 originals did.

btw Doesn't G1 Cartoon Menasor use an exo-skeleton, like on the outside, instead of an endo-skeleton like us humans?

Stunticons are arthropods confirmed

Kickback doesn't look half bad. The twin swords are a nice addition.

Legacy Prime Arcee:

Overcracker wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Rtron wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I believe most (if not all) Legacy reveals have been leaked, and there are no other Insecticons for 2022. Probably 1 per year over the next 3 years unfortunately. I really hope though that they do some extensive retools to make Deluxe Insecticons, even if they are Selects releases.

Previously Legends Class

Shrapnel was released in T30 (2014)
Bombshell in CW (2015) * This is the only one I have because of his "fan mode" Gun he can be for a Combiner
Chop Shop in CW (2016)
Kickback in TR (2017)
T30 Shrapnel was re-released in PotP (2018)

WFC Trilogy had NO Insecticons, which is fine, all the more time to get the updates as nice as possible.

I think there's a rumour saying there's a repaint of Kickback as Ransack coming out in a Worlds Collide style four-pack. It seemed lazy at first, but then I checked out the G1 Ransack toy on youtube, and honestly he transforms mostly the same as Kickback

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btw Doesn't G1 Cartoon Menasor use an exo-skeleton, like on the outside, instead of an endo-skeleton like us humans?

I guess you're right. Exo-Skeleton, with some cars as shoulder pads and shin guards. In other words Menasor as a Lacrosse player.

Damnit, now I'm going to need a 3P lacrosse stick and net...

The problem with the "cartoon accuracy" argument with Menasor is that he does also appear as a proper combiner in the cartoon.



The "cars on top of Morormaster's limbs" depiction is just an animation error. You might as well make a toy out of this:

Seibertron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Differing views on style of combination notwithstanding, I can come up with 1 positive about the new Stunticons that I can guess most of us approve of: we finally get a proper, proportionate update of Motormaster, cab-and-trailer combination included. Not an added upgrade kit, a true new version of Motormaster, with updated engineering. Like we should have got in Combiner Wars. But that figure was made with Optimus in mind. This one will be Motormaster 1st and foremost, even if he does get some type of repaint/retool. A new Magnus or Powermaster Prime perhaps, where the cab and trailer are integrated? At commander class, it can certainly be done, and for those 2 particular characters it would be proper scale. Though I don't see another Magnus coming down the line so soon, it would be oversaturation.

He's still not perfectly proper since the Motormaster component is just the cab, which only became his feet in G1. But I see why they went that route if they wanted to limit extra pieces for the limb skeleton.

How do we know this about Legacy Commander? I feel like I missed something.

Reliable leakers on TFW

Ok I also missed that somehow. I thought the entire truck was going to be Motormaster this time around. It should be.

Omegatron. wrote:The "cars on top of Morormaster's limbs" depiction is just an animation error. You might as well make a toy out of this:

DivideandConquer_slopedPrime.jpg

Pipes retool as Optimus Prime confirmed!

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Omegatron. wrote:The "cars on top of Morormaster's limbs" depiction is just an animation error. You might as well make a toy out of this:

DivideandConquer_slopedPrime.jpg

Pipes retool as Optimus Prime confirmed!

Retool? Just paint the cab red.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Ok I also missed that somehow. I thought the entire truck was going to be Motormaster this time around. It should be.

But then where does the whole exoskeleton to stick cars onto come from?

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Ok I also missed that somehow. I thought the entire truck was going to be Motormaster this time around. It should be.

But then where does the whole exoskeleton to stick cars onto come from?

I don't know, that's why I thought Motormaster would be the entire truck, and the others would be attached to him just like in G1, where the arm limbs attached to his arms and the leg limbs attached to the lower parts of his legs, making him taller. His upper body can be reconfigured to make Menasor bulkier once the limbs are combined.

Or will he be like Ultra Magnus or Powermaster Prime where the trailer only comes into play when he's upgrading to Menasor, but the cab will be the base bot? I mean, if he was the entire truck, that would make Motormaster by himself larger than a leader, so I doubt that will happen. This is why I dont get why he's commander class. The only thing justifies that is a voyager plus accessories. But then he's not a real update, just another version of the CW figure.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Ok I also missed that somehow. I thought the entire truck was going to be Motormaster this time around. It should be.

But then where does the whole exoskeleton to stick cars onto come from?

I don't know, that's why I thought Motormaster would be the entire truck, and the others would be attached to him just like in G1, where the arm limbs attached to his arms and the leg limbs attached to the lower parts of his legs, making him taller. His upper body can be reconfigured to make Menasor bulkier once the limbs are combined.

Or will he be like Ultra Magnus or Powermaster Prime where the trailer only comes into play when he's upgrading to Menasor, but the cab will be the base bot? I mean, if he was the entire truck, that would make Motormaster by himself larger than a leader, so I doubt that will happen. This is why I dont get why he's commander class. The only thing justifies that is a voyager plus accessories. But then he's not a real update, just another version of the CW figure.

Motormaster is the cab, with the trailer only coming in during combination

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Ok I also missed that somehow. I thought the entire truck was going to be Motormaster this time around. It should be.

But then where does the whole exoskeleton to stick cars onto come from?

I don't know, that's why I thought Motormaster would be the entire truck, and the others would be attached to him just like in G1, where the arm limbs attached to his arms and the leg limbs attached to the lower parts of his legs, making him taller. His upper body can be reconfigured to make Menasor bulkier once the limbs are combined.

Or will he be like Ultra Magnus or Powermaster Prime where the trailer only comes into play when he's upgrading to Menasor, but the cab will be the base bot? I mean, if he was the entire truck, that would make Motormaster by himself larger than a leader, so I doubt that will happen. This is why I dont get why he's commander class. The only thing justifies that is a voyager plus accessories. But then he's not a real update, just another version of the CW figure.

Motormaster is the cab, with the trailer only coming in during combination

Trailer also has a base mode (homaging the G1 base mode), so it comes into play in all 3 modes.

And Rodimus Prime, now I see where you are getting at, with the Menasor mode using Motormaster's limbs as the base for the combiner limbs. That technique has good potential, we'll see what it ultimately is.

ZeroWolf wrote:Isn't Menasor the only one with a radically different cartoon model for the combiner mode?

Sorta, the other combiners got really square and hid the leg kibble behind the legs, unlike the toys who had the kibble on the front.

FYI, I think Dragstrip's guns, or one of them, are painted clear plastic or just a really dark clear plastic.

I'm honestly not sure how I feel about the "limbs attaching to a skeleton" design of Menasor. From a thematic standpoint it's stupid, like what's the point of being a combiner if just Motormaster can form the entire main body?

On the other hand, it's a much better idea for a modern toy, since I imagine that Legacy Menasor is probably going to be much more stable and posable than the CW Combiners, since it's just the limbs attaching onto a specially designed frame.

I won't get him because I hate Menasor specifically, but I'd be excited to see a Legacy version of a different combiner like Defensor.

Autobot N wrote:I won't get him because I hate Menasor specifically, but I'd be excited to see a Legacy version of a different combiner like Defensor.

Man, I'm the opposite. Siege Prowl: look at this dopey little fascist, the big jerk, I will take one. Earthrise Prowl: oh you're pretending to be a human cop now, did you get tired of being a space war criminal, I will also buy one of these. SS86 Sweep: ugh these dummies, you're all the same, you're like Insecticons with less personality, I love it when you guys die, I hate you so much, here's a hundred bucks, I'll take three!

If we want a really good look at Menasor's cartoon model besides random screencaps, here it is:



And here's both Motormaster and his very cheat-y transformation:

Something something transformation purity something something too much cartoon accuracy. Gimme a break. If the figure looks great in the end, what does it matter?

Personally I don't really see any difference between attaching a car to a frame and having to plug hands and feet into cars. They're all faking it, it's still a combiner in my book. And it's just the arms that this is going to be noticeable on, I doubt Hasbro cares about cartoon accuracy quite as much as that KO does and puts fake shins on him. As for the arms, the car-facing side of the arm is going to be the hollow side for sure, it will not look good or complete without the car attached.

Emerje

sol magnus wrote:Something something transformation purity something something too much cartoon accuracy. Gimme a break. If the figure looks great in the end, what does it matter?

Earthrise Arcee looks good in bot mode and car mode, but is also hailed a one of the worst transformers in recent memory. So I guess things do matter to some people regardless of how it looks.