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bluecatcinema wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:
I'm curious if Knockout and Dreadwing will be re-appearing in RID15. Knockout survived the events of Predicons Rising , and apparently turned Autobot (or at least joined the winning side).

It's entirely possible he may pop back up in this series. He could always be one of the escaped Decepticons. They could have a field day writing his reappearance. Having him suck up to Bumblebee and try to squirm his way out of being imprisoned.

Why would Knockout want to escape? He pulled a full defection in Predacons Rising, and the Autobots let him stick around.

For that matter, what's stopping him from showing up as an Autobot?

Nemesis Primal wrote:

bluecatcinema wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:
I'm curious if Knockout and Dreadwing will be re-appearing in RID15. Knockout survived the events of Predicons Rising , and apparently turned Autobot (or at least joined the winning side).

It's entirely possible he may pop back up in this series. He could always be one of the escaped Decepticons. They could have a field day writing his reappearance. Having him suck up to Bumblebee and try to squirm his way out of being imprisoned.

Why would Knockout want to escape? He pulled a full defection in Predacons Rising, and the Autobots let him stick around.

For that matter, what's stopping him from showing up as an Autobot?

True, but think of it from an entertainment perspective: Which is better, a psychotic Decepticon medic turned heroic Autobot, or a prissy ex-Decepticon who is trying to wiggle his way out of his punishment?

It is very possible that some of these like Swoop, Snarl, Knock Out, Dreadwing, etc. might be toy-only figures added in to the Japanese line by Takara to bulk out the line for them, as was sorta done with the Movie Advanced Series having toys from the first three movies in addition to the AOE toys.

For all we know, Swoop and Snarl could be AOE-colored redecos of the Animated molds, Knock Out could be the Beast Hunters figure (since Japan never got that toy in the Go! line), and Dreadwing could also be the Beast Hunters figure (which was also left out of Go!) but priced higher for some reason.

Sabrblade wrote:It is very possible that some of these like Swoop, Snarl, Knock Out, Dreadwing, etc. might be toy-only figures added in to the Japanese line by Takara to bulk out the line for them, as was sorta done with the Movie Advanced Series having toys from the first three movies in addition to the AOE toys.

For all we know, Swoop and Snarl could be AOE-colored redecos of the Animated molds, Knock Out could be the Beast Hunters figure (since Japan never got that toy in the Go! line), and Dreadwing could also be the Beast Hunters figure (which was also left out of Go!) but priced higher for some reason.

Very interesting points. And HA Japan! You thought you were so cool with your exclusive voyager Breakdown figures, well we got Beast Hunters Knockout all to ourselves. wait.. what

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:It is very possible that some of these like Swoop, Snarl, Knock Out, Dreadwing, etc. might be toy-only figures added in to the Japanese line by Takara to bulk out the line for them, as was sorta done with the Movie Advanced Series having toys from the first three movies in addition to the AOE toys.

For all we know, Swoop and Snarl could be AOE-colored redecos of the Animated molds, Knock Out could be the Beast Hunters figure (since Japan never got that toy in the Go! line), and Dreadwing could also be the Beast Hunters figure (which was also left out of Go!) but priced higher for some reason.

Very interesting points. And HA Japan! You thought you were so cool with your exclusive voyager Breakdown figures, well we got Beast Hunters Knockout all to ourselves. wait.. what

Dude! I loved Beast Hunters Knock Out! That alt mode was killer! CROC OUT!!!

Beast Hunters Dreadwing on the other hand........

DecepticonFinishline wrote:
Dude! I loved Beast Hunters Knock Out! That alt mode was killer! CROC OUT!!!

Beast Hunters Dreadwing on the other hand........

If you have it, why is it still on your want list? Sorry, I just got really curious in light of your comment

Grimlock VS Strongarm ?!
I thought they were allies.Might as well put Megatron VS Starscream.Wait..that would have made a lot of sense.

Lockdownhunter wrote:Grimlock VS Strongarm ?!
I thought they were allies.Might as well put Megatron VS Starscream.Wait..that would have made a lot of sense.

Might be a typo. The other list I posted says "Grimlock vs. rival".

Unless it's meant to be a pre-Autobot Decepticon version of Grimlock whom Strongarm is trying to apprehend.

Madeus Prime wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

bluecatcinema wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:
I'm curious if Knockout and Dreadwing will be re-appearing in RID15. Knockout survived the events of Predicons Rising , and apparently turned Autobot (or at least joined the winning side).

It's entirely possible he may pop back up in this series. He could always be one of the escaped Decepticons. They could have a field day writing his reappearance. Having him suck up to Bumblebee and try to squirm his way out of being imprisoned.

Why would Knockout want to escape? He pulled a full defection in Predacons Rising, and the Autobots let him stick around.

For that matter, what's stopping him from showing up as an Autobot?

True, but think of it from an entertainment perspective: Which is better, a psychotic Decepticon medic turned heroic Autobot, or a prissy ex-Decepticon who is trying to wiggle his way out of his punishment?

I never said he'd be particularly heroic. From an entertainment perspective, I think the better option is that he's on the Autobot side but still has Decepticon-y habits, and the other Autobots have had more luck changing some of them than they've had with others. For example, he occasionally "forgets" that he can't test fuel additives on someone without telling them about it first.

Not every Autobot is "heroic". G1 Blades, for one, was a dirty rotten psycho.

And there's G1 Whirl (specifically the IDW version) who is completely insane.

Sabrblade wrote:Not every Autobot is "heroic". G1 Blades, for one, was a dirty rotten psycho.

Wait, why is Rescue Bots Blades named after a psycho?

Metro Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Not every Autobot is "heroic". G1 Blades, for one, was a dirty rotten psycho.

Wait, why is Rescue Bots Blades named after a psycho?

Sometimes having the same vehicle mode is all it takes.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Metro Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Not every Autobot is "heroic". G1 Blades, for one, was a dirty rotten psycho.

Wait, why is Rescue Bots Blades named after a psycho?

Sometimes having the same vehicle mode is all it takes.

WAIT, what? What the heck?

Blades a psycho? When and where?

"Underneath Blade's aerodynamically designed steel skin beats the engine of your basic street fighter. He would much prefer using his rotor assemply to slash through a horde of Decepticons than to fly. But his function keeps him in the air most of the time, and that really fires his fuel. Not only is he prevented from engaging his enemies in hand-to-hand combat, but he can only strike at them from long-range air attack, which he considers unsporting and cowardly. "If I'm gonna destroy someone, I want his fuel spurting all over me, not the ground below," says Blades. But this doesn't preclude Blades from doing his job and doing it well, a fact of which his fellow Protectobots are deeply appreciative."

Yes, this does mean he prefers to fight in melee, but there's a difference between bloodthirsty and total psychopath. And that's only the Marvel version, the box version just says he's a skilled brawler and hates ranged combat.

"Fuel spurting all over him"

"Rather use his rotor assembly to slash through a horde of Decepticons than to fly"

That's like the very definition of psycho. People accuse Movie Prime of being a psycho but G1 Blades is deranged. Just look at the G2 comics!

(Also I find it funny how people defend G1 Blades in spite of his main character trait being a bloodthirsty psychopath, but when Optimus Prime kicks arse in the movie we herenothing but "GIVCE ME YOUR FACE" jokes and complaints that their childhood was ruined.)

Speaking of which, I feel really dumb not knowing where the "give me your face" comes from. I can guess it's from the films, but what particularly?

In ROTF, Prime trounces the Fallen in the final battle and tears his mask/face off whilst snarling "Give me your face!" before punching out his spark. Bearing in mind the Fallen is a complete monster who viewed all other life as vermin, he deserved it. It's a badass moment that Simon Furman would probably have approved of, but people got butthurt because Movie prime actually got **** done and thus ruined their childhoods.

Delta Magnus wrote:(Also I find it funny how people defend G1 Blades in spite of his main character trait being a bloodthirsty psychopath, but when Optimus Prime kicks arse in the movie we herenothing but "GIVCE ME YOUR FACE" jokes and complaints that their childhood was ruined.)

That's because one's from G1 and the other's from the movieverse. G1 is automatically perfect because it's G1. I have no idea how that works, but they assure me it's perfectly valid.

Delta Magnus wrote:In ROTF, Prime trounces the Fallen in the final battle and tears his mask/face off whilst snarling "Give me your face!" before punching out his spark. Bearing in mind the Fallen is a complete monster who viewed all other life as vermin, he deserved it. It's a badass moment that Simon Furman would probably have approved of, but people got butthurt because Movie prime actually got **** done and thus ruined their childhoods.

I forgot about that line, I will rewatch it tonight. I do like how Prime got SH!T done. I fondly remember those great 2 mins of DOTM where he takes out Shockwave.

I disliked the "Gimmie Yore Face!!" because it was completely out of character from Optimus Prime for the past 30 years. Same with the wanting to kill humans in movie 4. Made me cringe hearing the various spoken lines in 4. Just not the noble, kind, hero, father-figure we've come to know and love.

But I digress.

Thanks for the lesson on Blades. He was pretty forgettable throughout G1, so the reminder is appreciated.

Well movie Prime is NOT the same Prime we've had for 30 years. Mainly because there have been a lot of Optimus Primes. There's G1 Prime, Optimus Primal, RID Prime, Unicron Trilogy Prime, Animated Prime... and those are just the ones that came out before ROTF. They've all been fairly different, and Movie Prime's thing was that he actually kills Decepticons rather than just slapping them on the wrist and sending them running (mainly as the Decepticons in the movies are utterly vicious and will happily murder humans- which is the one thing that REALLY grind's Prime's gears in every continuity. The fact that even he was sick of humanity by the 4th movie shows what a grim world the Movieverse is- and if the people you'd fought to save suddenly started murdering your close friends, wouldn't you be pissed off?)

Delta Magnus wrote:Well movie Prime is NOT the same Prime we've had for 30 years. Mainly because there have been a lot of Optimus Primes. There's G1 Prime, Optimus Primal, RID Prime, Unicron Trilogy Prime, Animated Prime... and those are just the ones that came out before ROTF. They've all been fairly different, and Movie Prime's thing was that he actually kills Decepticons rather than just slapping them on the wrist and sending them running (mainly as the Decepticons in the movies are utterly vicious and will happily murder humans- which is the one thing that REALLY grind's Prime's gears in every continuity. The fact that even he was sick of humanity by the 4th movie shows what a grim world the Movieverse is- and if the people you'd fought to save suddenly started murdering your close friends, wouldn't you be pissed off?)

Actually in that Larry King interview, Peter Cullen says that he plays Prime as the very same character throughout all the incarnations he portrayed. To him, they are all the same Prime (in tone/conviction/age etc).

Let me clue you guys in to a little secret: the entire Transformers fiction is a cobbled-together mess of stories that were invented to sell toys to children.

GuyIncognito wrote:Let me clue you guys in to a little secret: the entire Transformers fiction is a cobbled-together mess of stories that were invented to sell toys to children.

And you know, I kind of love it for that. I dont know how it works psychologically but whenever I watch a transformers show, I am compelled to buy the toys. It usually helps if I see themtransform onscreen (with a believable transformation). It's probably why I have so many toys from the Cybertron line and so few from the movie line.

Ooooooooooooook, back to the list:

Sabrblade wrote:(tentative) Transformers Bumblebee TAV01 ¥ 2,500
(tentative) Transformers Grimlock TAV02 ¥ 2,500
(tentative) Transformers TAV03 Strongarm ¥ 2,500
(tentative) Transformers TAV04 Steeljaw ¥ 2,500
(tentative) Transformers TAV05 Fixit ¥ 1,500
(tentative) Transformers TAV06 Underbite ¥ 1,500
(tentative) Transformers TAV07 Roadblock ¥ 2,500
(tentative) Transformers TAV08 R Strongarm ¥ 2,500
(tentative) Transformers TAV09 Swoop ¥ 2,500
(tentative) Transformers TAV10 Snarl ¥ 2,500
(tentative) Transformers TAV11 Knock Out ¥ 2,500
(tentative) Transformers TAV12 Dreadwing ¥ 4,000

(tentative) Transformers TAVVS01 Bumblebee VS Steeljaw ¥ 4,500
(tentative) Transformers TAVVS02 Grimlock VS rival ¥ 4,500

(tentative) Transformers HA01 Bumblebee ¥ 3,600
(tentative) Transformers HA02 Grimlock ¥ 3,600
(tentative) Transformers HA03 Sideswipe ¥ 1,500
(tentative) Transformers HA04 Prowl ¥ 1,500
(tentative) Transformers HA05 Junkion ¥ 1,800

I'm having trouble connecting the Japanese prices with the toys we've already seen (Legion, One-Step, Three-Step, Warrior/Deluxe)... My best guesses are:

¥ 1,500: One-Step Changers and/or Legions
¥ 2,500: Warrior
¥ 3,600: Three-Step Changers

Dreadwing being ¥ 4,000 indicates he may actually be a Voyager, thus he may be a reuse of PRiD Dreadwing and not the BH one.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ooooooooooooook, back to the list:

I'm having trouble connecting the Japanese prices with the toys we've already seen (Legion, One-Step, Three-Step, Warrior/Deluxe)... My best guesses are:

¥ 1,500: One-Step Changers and/or Legions
¥ 2,500: Warrior
¥ 3,600: Three-Step Changers

Dreadwing being ¥ 4,000 indicates he may actually be a Voyager, thus he may be a reuse of PRiD Dreadwing and not the BH one.

Haha, yeah that was one heck of a tangent. And I fuly agree with all your points as I had deduced something similar.