The Energon Pub

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Thank you Insurgent and your welcome.The disk I got that file from has a lot more on it but it takes to long to down load it to my pc....I'm pretty pc illeritate!!! Just look at my profile here.......I've been a member since 2005 and I only have just over 600 post.I'm not a noob to Transformers but I am when it comes to pc's

Don't worry about it. I'm not exactly PC literate either. It took me over a year to figure the quote button quotes the post. Before then, I was just cutting and pasting it. I often wondered how people had the patience and time to quote multiple posts.

Hah, Headmasters is counted as part of the US Cartoon. THAT'S delusional. But Sto_vo, what was the Titan Book you had information from, man? I've got Fallen Angel, City of Fear and Time Wars, and I can get my mitts on Legacy of Unicron from my local library.

There'sa nothing delusional about it. Headmasters picks up right where Season three left off, simply ignoring Rebirth, and replacing it with a better story. Remember, the Japanese simply translated the US cartoons, just using the Japanese names, until Headmansters. It is set in the same continuity as those translated US Seasons 1-3 cartoons, becoming, Season 4, Supergod Masterforce is Season 5, and Victory is Season 6. They all stemmed directly from the US cartoons translated into Japanese.
Oh, and to whomever asked if I had dropped out, No, I was just in bed.

I took what Sto_Vo meant as you thought BM/BM were followed on from the Japanese cartoons and ignored Season 4.

Damolisher wrote:I took what Sto_Vo meant as you thought BM/BM were followed on from the Japanese cartoons and ignored Season 4.

In Japan they do, along with BW II and BW Neo. They are all supposed to be a single comntiuity with the translated US cartoon seasons 1-3.

Shirogoshi wrote:Hah, Headmasters is counted as part of the US Cartoon. THAT'S delusional. But Sto_vo, what was the Titan Book you had information from, man? I've got Fallen Angel, City of Fear and Time Wars, and I can get my mitts on Legacy of Unicron from my local library.

All that info I posted came from a hand out disk from a cyber con I went to.But it was given out by the Hasbro rep's.Now there was a series of book's about dvdbox size but thicker that were out in the very late 90's and early 00's.I think they were called TF hand book or source,It might have been called every thing you ever wanted to know about TF's and I think it was from Titan.

Tramp wrote:There'sa nothing delusional about it. Headmasters picks up right where Season three left off, simply ignoring Rebirth, and replacing it with a better story. Remember, the Japanese simply translated the US cartoons, just using the Japanese names, until Headmansters. It is set in the same continuity as those translated US Seasons 1-3 cartoons, becoming, Season 4, Supergod Masterforce is Season 5, and Victory is Season 6. They all stemmed directly from the US cartoons translated into Japanese.
Oh, and to whomever asked if I had dropped out, No, I was just in bed.

Witch meen's that they WERE in the same continuity till that point.Its like a flower that spits out a seed and that seed grows into its own flower.Master force and Victory were ment to be in a different continuity then Headmasters was in Japan.....their is evidence of the fact that the Headmaster teck is changed from robot partners to human partners,A new explantion to how and why TF's are on earth and the return of both the planet Mars and Seibertron both destroyed in Headmasters.
The Manga tryed to retcon the issue by bringing the 2 continuities together but it faild to explain how both planets had returned.

Tramp wrote:

Damolisher wrote:I took what Sto_Vo meant as you thought BM/BM were followed on from the Japanese cartoons and ignored Season 4.

In Japan they do, along with BW II and BW Neo. They are all supposed to be a single comntiuity with the translated US cartoon seasons 1-3.

Kind of right.The Japanese misunderstood our script and unlike our Beast wars ,where Optimus Primal was the decendent of G1 Prime,They beleaved that he was just a new body for G1 Prime.Meaning that they thought that Optimus Primal was in fact the same person as G1 Optimus Prime.
So their universe is very different then ours.
Also their G1 universe also differes from our's at a different point.Scramble city story shows how and when Triptcon was made but for us it was in 5 faces of darkness so when they transfered 5 fod they had it that Tripticon was being repaired not built.it might be a minor difference but it makes it a different continuity.

Tramp..........And if you have the 20th anniversary DVD of the 86 movie then you have seen Scramble city and the introduction of Tripticon.That show is part of the Japanese continuity and is set befor season 3.So your wrong when you say that they were in the same continuity up untill the end of season 3.That 5 times now that I prove you wrong.Are you ready to say that you made a mistake or are you going to double talk you way out of it again?

Not really, considering the number of continuity errors within the US cartoon already. Also, there is plenty of time between Season 2 and the movie for Scramble City to fit within US cartoon continuity as well.

Tramp wrote:Not really, considering the number of continuity errors within the US cartoon already. Also, there is plenty of time between Season 2 and the movie for Scramble City to fit within US cartoon continuity as well.

Their maybe room for it but it didnt happened and its not in your ultimate guide so its not cannon....also in 5 faces of darkness they say that they are createing Tripticon out of that human city.So you have been proven wrong about a few things
1 Prowel fades grey

2 Your claim that all the Japanese show being in the same continiuty as the u..s show.

3 Your claim that the Japanese show is the same up untill the end of season 3

4 Your claim that all the Japanese show's were in the same universe

5That the us. headmasters was a wrap up show and not a pilot for a 4th season.

But you still wont admit you made a mistake.

My claim with the Japanese shows was that all of them before RID was in the same continuity, and that is true. RiD AKA Car Robots started a new continuity.

Tramp wrote:My claim with the Japanese shows was that all of them before RID was in the same continuity, and that is true. RiD AKA Car Robots started a new continuity.

That is not true.

Headmasters was suppose to be in their G1 continuity.

Supergod Masterforce was the start of a new continuity that incloued Victory.The proff of that is in the change or human headmaster the return of the planet's Mars and Seibertron both destroyed in Headmasters and a new in dialoge explanation for how Transformers came to be on Earth.No mention of any other Transformers in earth History was ever mention in the Masterforce show.

Why cant you just admit you made a mistake.

I have treated you with the up most Respect.Unlike many others that you seemed to have agitated into conflict with you over your views,getting into name calling and such things.I spent the better amount of 4 hours looking trew back-up files and redown loading the files you requested so that you could see it for your self...............
I even supported you when I beleved your claims were correct.
But how can you debate me on this when you havent even seen the shows in question?I have both the dubed and original language DVD's [with sub-titles]of all these shows.


And you still wont admit you made a mistake!!!!!!!!!!

Why dont you treat me with the same respect I have showen you??????????

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:My claim with the Japanese shows was that all of them before RID was in the same continuity, and that is true. RiD AKA Car Robots started a new continuity.

That is not true.

Headmasters was suppose to be in their G1 continuity.

Supergod Masterforce was the start of a new continuity that incloued Victory.The proff of that is in the change or human headmaster the return of the planet's Mars and Seibertron both destroyed in Headmasters and a new in dialoge explanation for how Transformers came to be on Earth.No mention of any other Transformers in earth History was ever mention in the Masterforce show.

Why cant you just admit you made a mistake.

I have treated you with the up most Respect.Unlike many others that you seemed to have agitated into conflict with you over your views,getting into name calling and such things.I spent the better amount of 4 hours looking trew back-up files and redown loading the files you requested so that you could see it for your self...............
I even supported you when I beleved your claims were correct.
But how can you debate me on this when you havent even seen the shows in question?I have both the dubed and original language DVD's [with sub-titles]of all these shows.


And you still wont admit you made a mistake!!!!!!!!!!

Why dont you treat me with the same respect I have showen you??????????

Supergod Masterforce and Victory are part of the same continuity as Headmmasters, they simply take place later. They were not the start of a different continuity. RID was the start of a new continuity. Not even the information you sent me says that they were. You assumed they were because they have humans acting as pilots. That isn't proof of a change in continuity. All that is, is an advancement in the headmaster technology. You haven't shown solid proof that SGM started a new continuity. It's still Japanese G1 continuity, which is a direct offshoot of US cartoon continuity. Yes, there are minor differences in translation between the US toon and Japanese toon, but they are close enough to be considered the same continuity, and that, I believe was the Japanese intent. Scramble City, was only one episode, and a bunch of toy commercials, and does not seriously contradict anything in the US G1 cartoon, any more than events within the US G1 contradicts itself, and the feeling I gathered from what was said about it on the movie DVD is that yes, it is meant to fit within even US continutiy, because it doesn't majorly contradict anything. Even your information you sent stated that it wasn't until Headmasters that the Japanese branched off primarily because they didn't feel having humans as the headmaster heads would sell in Japan given that most mecha shows there have the robots piloted by humans, and thus, would remove the uniqueness of TransFormers.

Headmansters, Supergod Masterforce, Victory, and Zone, are all part of the Japanese G1 continuity, as is BW, BWII, BW Neo, and I believe, BM. Teletraaan 1 says that, as does, if I recall (a far more reliable source) correctly, the Ultimate Guide, but I have to verify that, so don't quote me on that. Anime News Netwrk, one of the most respected online sources of information on anime series also states it is the sequel to Headmasters at the very top. Here's the link: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2476. [i]Car Robots is a new continuity all together. There is no question about that, and I have never claimed otherwise. As I said earlier, I have to do some more research into this and other things before I do anything else regarding Primus, which we should really be discussing, not thwe Japanese shows.

Secondly, I shouldn't have to say "I made a mistake" in those specific words. There is no need for it, especially if a different statement or clarification agrees with what you said, as in the case of Prowl. Trying to force someone to say that in those words, can piss them off, because it's childish, and does not let them save face because you are trying to force them to eat crow. And no, I do not consider you childish. It doesn't with me, but it really isn't necesaary, and isn't likely to get me to say those specific words. And that isn't being disrespectful. If you notice, I have never asked you or anyone else to say "I made a mistake" or "I was wrong", because I don't consider it necessary. It isn't important to me. I don't need my ego stroked, and I respect you too much to do that to you. If something I say is proven irrefutably with cited material, to be in error, I'll admit it, though not necesaarily in those words. So, please let me choose to say things the way I choose to.

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:My claim with the Japanese shows was that all of them before RID was in the same continuity, and that is true. RiD AKA Car Robots started a new continuity.

That is not true.

Headmasters was suppose to be in their G1 continuity.

Supergod Masterforce was the start of a new continuity that incloued Victory.The proff of that is in the change or human headmaster the return of the planet's Mars and Seibertron both destroyed in Headmasters and a new in dialoge explanation for how Transformers came to be on Earth.No mention of any other Transformers in earth History was ever mention in the Masterforce show.

Why cant you just admit you made a mistake.

I have treated you with the up most Respect.Unlike many others that you seemed to have agitated into conflict with you over your views,getting into name calling and such things.I spent the better amount of 4 hours looking trew back-up files and redown loading the files you requested so that you could see it for your self...............
I even supported you when I beleved your claims were correct.
But how can you debate me on this when you havent even seen the shows in question?I have both the dubed and original language DVD's [with sub-titles]of all these shows.


And you still wont admit you made a mistake!!!!!!!!!!

Why dont you treat me with the same respect I have showen you??????????

Supergod Masterforce and Victory are part of the same continuity as Headmmasters, they simply take place later. They were not the start of a different continuity. RID was the start of a new continuity. Not even the information you sent me says that they were. You assumed they were because they have humans acting as pilots. That isn't proof of a change in continuity. All that is, is an advancement in the headmaster technology. You haven't shown solid proof that SGM started a new continuity. It's still Japanese G1 continuity, which is a direct offshoot of US cartoon continuity. Yes, there are minor differences in translation between the US toon and Japanese toon, but they are close enough to be considered the same continuity, and that, I believe was the Japanese intent. Scramble City, was only one episode, and a bunch of toy commercials, and does not seriously contradict anything in the US G1 cartoon, any more than events within the US G1 contradicts itself, and the feeling I gathered from what was said about it on the movie DVD is that yes, it is meant to fit within even US continutiy, because it doesn't majorly contradict anything. Even your information you sent stated that it wasn't until Headmasters that the Japanese branched off primarily because they didn't feel having humans as the headmaster heads would sell in Japan given that most mecha shows there have the robots piloted by humans, and thus, would remove the uniqueness of TransFormers.

Headmansters, Supergod Masterforce, Victory, and Zone, are all part of the Japanese G1 continuity, as is BW, BWII, BW Neo, and I believe, BM. Teletraaan 1 says that, as does, if I recall (a far more reliable source) correctly, the Ultimate Guide, but I have to verify that, so don't quote me on that. Anime News Netwrk, one of the most respected online sources of information on anime series also states it is the sequel to Headmasters at the very top. Here's the link: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2476. [i]Car Robots is a new continuity all together. There is no question about that, and I have never claimed otherwise. As I said earlier, I have to do some more research into this and other things before I do anything else regarding Primus, which we should really be discussing, not thwe Japanese shows.

Secondly, I shouldn't have to say "I made a mistake" in those specific words. There is no need for it, especially if a different statement or clarification agrees with what you said, as in the case of Prowl. Trying to force someone to say that in those words, can piss them off, because it's childish, and does not let them save face because you are trying to force them to eat crow. And no, I do not consider you childish. It doesn't with me, but it really isn't necesaary, and isn't likely to get me to say those specific words. And that isn't being disrespectful. If you notice, I have never asked you or anyone else to say "I made a mistake" or "I was wrong", because I don't consider it necessary. It isn't important to me. I don't need my ego stroked, and I respect you too much to do that to you. If something I say is proven irrefutably with cited material, to be in error, I'll admit it, though not necesaarily in those words. So, please let me choose to say things the way I choose to.

It's not about having my ego stroked nor is it about making you eat crow! And why are you worried about saveing face?
I have been no-confrontational with you the whole time that we've talked about this.There's no reason to take any of this personel.Those are words and phrases that indecate a combative personality.The inabilty to acknowledge one own mistakes is also evidence of this, your always quick to point out when your right and when others are wrong siting proff from one source or an other....but never when your wrong....and even when you have to finely admit your in error you fall back on blaming the source that you got you info from .
That link you sent me doesnt seem to work for me do you mind pm ing it to me or email it to me.
By the way I was just reviewing all of my post for the last few days to see how many spelling mistakes I made due to the fact on me not sleeping in the last 4 days and I do have a mistake of my own to report.It seems that in my haste to type and post quickly that I didnt point out the fact that what I was sayin is that it was the intent of the Masterforce head writter that it be a fresh start for the series but the producers didnt like the idea and midway threw the first season they released a manga comic that links the Masterforce to the shows that came before it.
Some times I skip ahead of my self when I'm typing.

You see its not so hard to say I was wrong........You have a confertacinal nature.

A what nature? As for the link, try copying and pasting it into the web address search bar at the top of the screen (or whatever it's called) That should work.

Tramp wrote:A what nature? As for the link, try copying and pasting it into the web address search bar at the top of the screen (or whatever it's called) That should work.

Confrontational nature.Your more conserend with "saving face" as you called it then the facts of the mater.I'm not trying to insult you or anything nor am I trying to "piss you off or make you eat crow" and I'm not trying to force you into useing words that you seem to dislike for reasons I could only guess are linked to harsh feelings your harboring because of all the fighting and name calling you've been having with other members and how it might seem that you are being ganged up on.And if I have some how contributed to these feelings then you misunderstood where I was coming from.
I was just looking for a frendly debate and information exchange.I would welcome new info at any time,even if it puts info I once held in high reguard into question.

But I see we are 2 different kinds of people......you having complete faith in the infomation that you already have,not being able to see beyond what is written before you.....and myself all ways looking for new idea's and insite into all things, always looking out side the box for other reason's for the events that have transpired.

I hope this brings our debate to a close.....I am not looking for the last word,I am just growing tired of this issue.....
I am far to sick to allow this to work on my nerves.I thank you in advanced to let it lie.
P.S. Thank you for the hint with pasting the link it worked

I'm a little bit of both. I trust information I have researched and verified, but am open to further information as long as it can be verified. It is often too easy to be lead astray by heresay. Blame it on college. That is why I always try to cite sources. That way people can verify what I've posted if they so choose. I'm always looking for more knowedge.

On that note, I'm glad the link finally worked for you, and I still want to see those episodes some time. I've only seen bits and pieces of one.

What confused me about your previous post is instead of saying "confrontational" nature, you said confertacinal. And I was like "Huh?" It's kind of funny you know?

Oh, don't blame it on anything: Here's how you can tell if you're wrong:

You've got multiple people arguing with you.

Damolisher wrote:Oh, don't blame it on anything: Here's how you can tell if you're wrong:

You've got infinite people arguing with you.

Corrected

Tramp wrote:I'm a little bit of both. I trust information I have researched and verified, but am open to further information as long as it can be verified. It is often too easy to be lead astray by heresay. Blame it on college. That is why I always try to cite sources. That way people can verify what I've posted if they so choose. I'm always looking for more knowedge.

On that note, I'm glad the link finally worked for you, and I still want to see those episodes some time. I've only seen bits and pieces of one.

What confused me about your previous post is instead of saying "confrontational" nature, you said confertacinal. And I was like "Huh?" It's kind of funny you know?

I doubt we're the same kind of sick but at least this is over.And sorry bout the misspelling......my meds kind of "F" me up at night